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Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Daddyis: 3:59pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
adelumolo:you mean the religion of bombers headed by a pedophile from the Arab world. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Liljeez(m): 4:16pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit: Yes, where he said give unto ceaser what belongs to Ceaser, and unto God what belongs to God |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Topgainer: 4:26pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Apina:Typical language of native doctors a.k.a Senior Prophet Dr. and the occult inspiration-talking Pastors/ Bishops What is there to understand in the sale of anointed water, armlets, mantle, calenders, stickers? What is there to understand that people are tasked on bringing specific amount of seeds and items like coconut for prayers that Jesus will answer? Why won't conservative Christians condemn the rascality introduced by these Pentecostal Bishops and overlords which by the way is contrary to the teachings of Jesus? Other common phrases/sentences used by the rascals 1. Change Church if your Church does not change you. Of which the change alluded to magical answers to one prayer while other challenges that is common to other people persists 2. Your size of seed is your size of testimony and expected breakthrough 3. Your open doors or delusional connection to prosperity can only be found in your commitment to Papa's Ministry invariably people are condemned to slaving away for one Papa or another as workers 4. Your development and growth in Christianity made possible through your purchase of various materials for sale by Papa example comical videos and literatures authored by Papa/Mama 5. Your tithe is the trade in a Christian can give the Church of Bishop for freedom from sickness, poverty, discomfort and delayed answers to prayers by Jesus. And so on 2 Likes |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by xerxes456(m): 4:32pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
It's the place of the Holy Spirit and God to decide if a woman can be a minister or not... Paul was talking about the organization in the church... as per rowdiness during service... If a female is called by God to be a pastor, does she have a choice? Provided she is called, remember the Church is the body of Christ, so if the Holy Spirit singles out a woman for His purpose who are we to question it... |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by bukiboy(m): 4:33pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit: Like tithe. We are not practicing Christianity in Nigeria, it's all about money. Swindle lazy people to enrich yourself. We still consult with pastors just like we used to consult Ifa priests. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by bukiboy(m): 4:35pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
xerxes456: All female ministres or pastors are either divorced women or pastor's wife because for the latter, it's family business. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Kay25(m): 4:36pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Good analyses but genesis 5 vs 2 says male and female he made them that's enough to tell say God is not particular about the gender he made them all .if any woman has a gift of the spirit She should not be denied though i support the notion that she must be under a man's authority to caution her.. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by sayad009: 4:37pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
1Cor15v34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obesience, as also saith the law"... Does this mean (all) women in church should not talk/speak in d church? Let's verify by reading v35 "And if they(note this pronoun refers to women mentioned earlier in verse 34) will learn anything, let them ask their HUSBANDS(emphasis mine) at home..." V35 clarifies that d women v34 speaks of are married women in the church. What does this translate to? - A married woman in d church is not expected to speak(have conversation - to talk to somebody about something; to have a conversation with somebody) in d church, rather she is expected to ask(Question, I.e to say or write something in the form of a question in order to get information) her husband at home if and only if she wants to LEARN (to gain knowledge or skill by studying, from experience, from being taught) This means if a married woman is expected to LEARN at home and not in church... Thus she is expected to speak in church as long as what she wants to say is not of 'learning' SHALOM |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by orunto27: 4:38pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
If you know that. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by orunto27: 4:41pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
What a bust? |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Nobody: 4:42pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89: Paul said so. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Apina(m): 4:51pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Topgainer:Sorry, I'm a Catholic and ur above list is an aberration in my Church |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Water101(f): 4:56pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
One thing christiandom is that we don't take things in the bible as they are.i have been wondering abt this myself.some women when given this liberty of preaching or teaching end u not submitting to their husbands,if we look at islam their women can't do this & they have a separate mosque.it indeed may be sinful,may God help us. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 5:01pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
another biblical verse to justify the above 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[b]another biblical verse to justify the above 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[/b]another biblical verse to justify the above 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by lonikit: 5:02pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
[b][/b]1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by charlsecy(m): 5:12pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89: charlsecy: torres89: You and I know you didn't answer my question! |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by irynterri(f): 5:30pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Saintinoo:Christ is christainity personified, Christians are Christ-like, christainity started on the day of Pentecost,when the Holy Spirit descended on them,they spoke in tongues and converted people 1 Like |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Tecno66: 6:28pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89:please say something else and stop justifying the unjustifiable. This passage is crystal clear even to the blind. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Lakesandspring: 6:42pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89: You are a oniro (liar). Paul said it to the gentiles and not the Jews. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by oruma19: 6:51pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89:tithing is also a Jewish law to feed the tribe that had no portion in the inheritance. They have mixed Christianity with Judaism. We r watching 1 Like |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by MrSly(m): 7:28pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
saintmark88:Leave that man. They read but lack understanding. Civilisation has taken over everything Ben I the church no more rules. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Augustap(f): 7:43pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Saintinoo:Awwww...is that so? Whatever happened to research? Now listen: The term 'CHRISTIANS' was first used in the new testament, Acts of the Apostles, 11:26. It was used when Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul (Paul). When he found him, he took him to Antioch, and for a whole year, the two met with the people of the church and taught a large group. It was at Antioch that the believers were first called 'CHRISTIANS'. The 2nd mention of the word, was made in Acts of the Apostles, 26:28, where Herod Agrippa II replied Paul the Apostle. He said "In this short time, do you think you'll make me a Christian?" The third and final new testament reference was in 1st Peter 4:16. It says, "however if you suffer because you're a Christian, don't be ashamed of it, but thank God that you bear Christ's name". And because of the usage of this name, Popes starting from the reign of Saints Ignatius and Polycarp made it a standard term of referring to Christ's followers. The church of Saint Peter near Antioch (modern day Antakya) is the city were the disciples were first called " Christians". You could go to the city for confirmation. So you can see there's no place in which the Bible mentioned that unbelievers first called us Christians. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by ihatesycophant(m): 7:51pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit:You guys should stop immortalising a verse of the scriptures. Are you aware that there is a prophetess in the Bible? Read this and see her work in the temple. Luke 2:36-39 King James Version (KJV) "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem. And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth". In verse 38 she was speaking of salvation to those that need it. Now to your verse of scripture same was repeated in 1 Timothy 2:11. Now follow me to read from verses 11-15 for more understanding. 1 Timothy 2:11-15 New International Version (NIV) "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety" If you link it with your verse of scripture 1 Corinthians 14:34 you will discovered that there was no ambiguity in it. All its trying to communicate is total submission of a woman to her husband as Paul taught in many verses in his letters in the New Testament. Verse 15 of 1Timothy 2 now cleared the air that in all this woman shall be saved through childbearing if steadfast in faith, love, holiness with propriety. This grace has washed every set back that may limit a woman not to engage in her spiritual obligation as not to contradict what was said in Luke 2:36 that there is a place of prophetess. The price that Jesus went to the cross to paid has broken every barrier against spiritual worship of mankind. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by ihatesycophant(m): 7:53pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit:You guys should stop immortalising a verse of the scriptures. Are you aware that there was a prophetess in the Bible? Read this and see her work in the temple. Luke 2:36-39 King James Version (KJV) "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem. And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth". In verse 38 she was speaking of salvation to those that need it. Now to your verse of scripture same was repeated in 1 Timothy 2:11. Now follow me to read from verses 11-15 for more understanding. 1 Timothy 2:11-15 New International Version (NIV) "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety" If you link it with your verse of scripture 1 Corinthians 14:34 you will discovered that there was no ambiguity in it. All its trying to communicate is total submission of a woman to her husband as Paul taught in many verses in his letters in the New Testament. Verse 15 of 1Timothy 2 now cleared the air that in all this woman shall be saved through childbearing if steadfast in faith, love, holiness with propriety. This grace has washed every set back that may limit a woman not to engage in her spiritual obligation as not to contradict what was said in Luke 2:36 that there is a place of prophetess. The price that Jesus went to the cross to paid has broken every barrier against spiritual worship of mankind. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by s4short: 8:56pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
checkengine: Lol, I thought I was the only one that saw it o, the guy's write up just weaken me, a supposed Christian calling his God a liar just to hold on to a belief he knows is false, that passage he quoted is far too straightforward to be twisted. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Wolfiejay(m): 8:59pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89: Brother, Why would Paul give the 'Corinthian Church' a 'Jewish' Law? |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by Leon90(m): 9:33pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
torres89: So the Bible is a Jewish law? |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by CandidSeeker(m): 9:42pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
checkengine: s4short: Modified, to show that's my personal understanding after connecting relevant gospels. My expression did not in anyway call God a liar. May The Most High God give you understanding. -Peace. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by CandidSeeker(m): 10:15pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Wolfiejay: SOME OF PAUL’S EPISTLES ARE HIS OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS BORNE OUT OF HIS PAST PHARISSE LIFESTYLE ...For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers -Gal.1:13-14 ...But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. – Acts 23:6 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. – Acts 22:3 ...Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;…Phill.3:4-5 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love. – 2Cor.8:8 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. – 1Cor.7:6 ...But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. – 1Cor.7:12 ...Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. – 1Cor.7:25 -Peace. |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by sugarwiz(f): 10:33pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
saintmark88:The traditions of old influence the scriptures in so many ways |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by sugarwiz(f): 10:35pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
lonikit:I'm thinking I meant the commandments |
Re: Opinion: Is It Not A Sin For Churches Going Against This Portion Of The Bible? by almsofgold: 10:44pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Saintinoo:Islam has been before Christianity. Islam simply means, submission to the will of the Almighty. Abraham submitted. So did Noah, lot, isaac,joseph, David Solomon, Jesus. They were all Muslims because they submitted. Hope you understand? 1 Like 1 Share |
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