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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by pheleix: 11:08am On Nov 21, 2013 |
tivta: This is confusing oh. From what i have read on http://www.freesunpower.com/faq.php the higher the system voltage the lower the battery capacity cause 48v system that runs on 12v 200ah battery will only give 200ah of power when used with 4 batteries in a series/paralle combination. G.D abeg whats your take? Phelex thanks anyway.Battery capacity in terms of Amp-hour, you are correct. But overall capacity in terms of Watt-hour, it's the same for any system. Between 24v Sys and 48v Sys its a factor of 2. If the voltage system reduces by 2, the capacity in Amp-hour increases by 2 and if the capacity in Ah reduces by 2 the volt system increases by same amount. From my previous example you must have seen this. 24v Sys has 1200Ah while 48v Sys has 600Ah. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by tivta(m): 11:50am On Nov 21, 2013 |
This is what i was talking about. There fore 400*6= 2400watts right?
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 2:11pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
like someone has said earlier...in terms of amp a 12v 200amp x 10 units battery hooked to a 12v inverter will have 2000amp at its disposal (nobody will build such a system cos of amp ratings, just using this as an example), and 2000 x 12v = 24kw while if connected to a 24v system will only have 1000amps at its disposal...but the total wattage/power/load is still 24v x 1000amps = 24kw , a 48v system arrangement will only have 500amps at its disposal but the total wattage/load/power rating is 48v x 500amps = 24kw. so as you can see any of the different arrangments will produce 24kw, the only difference is the amp passing tru the system...............the 48v has the lowest amps...and this is much better since it will require a smaller cable than the monster cable the 2000amp 12v would hv required......................the other disadvantage a 48v system might hv is that...on the offchance that 1 battery fails in the batt bank...u wud be in a bad spot as replacing/mixing just 1 battery isn't a good practise, ..unlike a 12v system where u wud simply remove the problem battery n life goes on...the higher voltage inverter systems were developed to reduce cable/trabssistor/transistor requirements of the inverter system @ George d...u really have taken this alternative energy to another level.............it appears you don't ever want to use phcn ever again!!! |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 2:37pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by tivta(m): 2:39pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
Wow, you guys are really good teachers, so in other words that means no matter the ampage of the system the total ampage of the battery bank times the voltage of each battery will give the total amount of watts available to be used? e.g 200ah 12v battery*4=800ah for a 48v system will still give 9600watts ? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by pheleix: 2:44pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
It's like we will start buying shares in his IPP. Oga G_D let us know when shares are available. I guess your next upgrading will be a Mobile Display Monitor...lol Congrats |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by earthrealm(m): 4:19pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
@tivta...yes...exactly @house..if George d dey developed country..he would hv been able to sell some generated power to the grid...thereby making some coins/savings!............ 1 Like |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by idsolar(m): 5:16pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
CONGRATULATIONS george d. this is a beauty. na my bros said na to de sell shares for this ipp remain. truly encouragn |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 10:12pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
TotalGreen: My Oga congrats, i am gum smacked, setting a trend for all of us to follow. totalgreen, you're right. one more upgrade remains - but not the painting of the room, please! i would rather save up enough to get those items we already discussed about. code! ok, the battery life saver is a wonderful piece of equipment which i'm still studying myself. definitely will keep the house posted on performance. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 10:39pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
DUNKA: Congrsts on the upgrade. Please did you also upgrade your battery bank? Also what is your view on the tantalizing promises being made by the new owners of PHCN promising stable light shortly viz a viz the expense of an upgraded system like yours? Did d thot cross your mind whether 2 continue with your old system since it was already serving its purpose? dunka, thanks for the kind words. no, the batteries were not included in this upgrade. i had earlier done that late last year so they're still quite new. what i did this time around is simply to rotate them within the same strings. battery rotation is recommended for battery banks at least once a year as part of routine battery maintenance. as for the tantalizing promises from the new owners of phcn, we have learnt from past experience not to take such promises too seriously. as much as we are all hoping and praying for steady power supply within the country, we must at the same time continue striving to put ourselves in a such a position as to be less affected by epileptic power supply should in case such promises fail to materialize at the end of the day. however, should we eventually achieve the much anticipated steady power supply, there is no time renewables can be phased out completely as you can see even in the advanced countries with their 24/7 power supply, they still have need for such. that is why you see companies like magnum energy, outback, morningstar, xantrex, tripplite, etc all thriving happily over there. yes, the old system seemed to be serving its purpose but that alone did not make it right. there were a lot of things i did in the name of diy that were plain crude and inherently unsafe. i probably got by all this while without experiencing any major system upset and/or safety incidents through sheer providence. however, for anyone wise enough to appreciate the dangers inherent in this type of installations, he would know that you can only stretch your luck this far before you eventually have an incident on your hands. therefore, the need to move towards a more code compliant and professional installation was very urgent given the circumstances. if i had continued with the old system, probably i would have gotten away with such crude setup for years but i would all the time be playing a game of chance and trust me, dc current is not worth playing russian roulette on! ![]() and for the inverter change out, i saw my need for a high end inverter over a year ago when i realized that almost all the available, common brands that we have around are without exception bulk chargers. be it sukam, cyberpower, luminous, nexus, mopower, etc. the lack of a smart charging ability means that these inverters invariably will gradually kill whatever brand of batteries thrown at them in the long run. besides, as i eventually began to experience lately, these average inverters though relatively cheap at face value, do not last as long as expected without frequent costly repairs. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 10:44pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
Akanniade: Big Bros. Congrats. You are a source of inspiration from the day I joined this thread. akanniade, my brother, thanks for the kind words. we just have to continue pushing the boundaries - as much as we can. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 10:47pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
tivta, i can see that pheleix and earthrealm have already done justice to your question. they are very correct. system voltage does not affect battery capacity in any way. whether 12v, 24v, 36v, 48v or even 96v what changes is the effective current and not the capacity. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 10:48pm On Nov 21, 2013 |
idsolar: CONGRATULATIONS george d. this is a beauty. na my bros said na to de sell shares for this ipp remain. truly encouragn idsolar, i hail ooooo! lol! did you say 'shares'? ![]() |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 1:02pm On Nov 22, 2013 |
all, in line with my post above in reply to dunka, as part of my pre-upgrade preparations, i carried out battery rotation on my battery bank. since i was already using a voltage combiner, it meant the rotation only needed to be done within individual strings and not across the whole bank. before this rotation, i had earlier checked individual battery voltages to determine their various state of health. the results were as fascinating as they were instructive. over a year after installation, battery voltages were almost similar across board and not only that, there was no sign of early failure whatsoever, thereby giving credence to the effectiveness of the simple voltage combiner - now rested. below are voltage results of individual batteries arranged in strings: s1-1 = 12.59v s1-2 = 12.56v s1-3 = 12.56v s1-4 = 12.55v ----------------------- s2-1 = 12.57v s2-2 = 12.52v s2-3 = 12.59v s2-4 = 12.58v ----------------------- s3-1 = 12.57v s3-2 = 12.59v s3-3 = 12.52v s3-4 = 12.56v ---------------------- where s1 stands for string 1, s2 for string 2 and s3 for string 3 |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by pheleix: 3:55pm On Nov 22, 2013 |
George_D: all,That's nice. Have you monitored the individual voltages while charging. I have one string of 48v. While charging with inverter one day I took note of the voltages, two out of four were clocking 14v ,the 3rd was at 13.8v and the 4th was cranking 15.7v. The 3rd was taking its time to rise. I had to use panel to charge three of the batteries individually. Now no more shooting to 15going to 16 |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DUNKA(m): 11:31am On Nov 23, 2013 |
George_D: all,chief George u r really sn inspiration for your insight and knowledge sharing. Please curious to know what u did with your former inverters. Also could u kindly give an itemised breakdown of costs of d upgrade? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JUO(m): 1:18pm On Nov 23, 2013 |
am jealous. bros G congrats |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bodejohn(m): 4:17pm On Nov 23, 2013 |
George_D: Oga George, congratulations on your new investment... I want to quickly ask you a followup question on the part of your quote in bold above. Does it mean you wouldn't have made the investment on the new inverter if you were completely off the grid? What are the ratings (kVA) of the new inverter? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by fikfik: 8:14am On Nov 24, 2013 |
bodejohn: in addition to the above UNCLE G, how is it not a waste if you already have solar chargers that can charge to float? Even with the magnum and the poor electricity you've mentioned you have in your area, the 3/4 stage charging of the magnum will hardly be utilized, right? And did you ever have to repair your cyberpower in the past? I noticed you didnt use the AVR and small changeover that comes with the cyberpower, or they didnt come with yours? My cyberpower has been running very strong (after proper installation) without any faults and my batteries are always charged to float by my MPPT, so I dont know if its a good investment (at least with my setup, which takes queues from your former installation) to get an expensive inverter to replace my cyberpower. You may also want to discharge you batteries to 40-50% SOC before checking the volts with a voltmeter, or better still try to get a battery load tester, so you get a good idea of their SOC while offline. I had to change some batteries that read well with a voltmeter, but when I tried with a 150amp battery load tester dropped under load. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by feasy1(m): 1:07pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
George_D: George_D, This is impressive, Congrat on the Magnum 4348, it's good value for money.Very neat DIY installation I must say. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by easterwick(m): 4:06pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
men GEORGE D this is great can you give me your email or fb id I want to ask a few question am a mobile technician in edo state auchi, electricity is one of my big problem despite GEN I hav decided to install portable solar generator not more than 1.2kva due to my appliances rating in my store PLS WHAT IS THE COST HOW CAN I MAKE IT PORTABLE CUS OF THE RESIDENT HOW MANY SOLAR PANEL,BATTERIES THANKS.... |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by feasy1(m): 10:06pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
George_D: @George_D, I guess it's high time you began reselling electricity to neighbours,(that's in our roadmap "www dot arnergy dot com)(you don't need a license to do that) that could then lead to the big goal, the IPP. BTW, I tried to reach your official line 0807*******, We should talk bro. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 11:21pm On Nov 25, 2013 |
feasy, thanks for the compliments. sorry i've been busy at work this few days. i will call you back if you drop your line in my mailbox. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 11:25pm On Nov 25, 2013 |
pheleix: pheleix, no, i haven't taken time to do that but i doubt there'll be any significant difference between the individual voltages. the tristar charge controller coupled with the voltage combiner seems to have been doing a splendid job keeping the batteries in excellent state of charge. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 11:31pm On Nov 25, 2013 |
DUNKA: chief George u r really sn inspiration for your insight and knowledge sharing. Please curious to know what u did with your former inverters. Also could u kindly give an itemised breakdown of costs of d upgrade? dunka, my former inverters are now in reserve. more like spares ready to be used anytime should in case i need to carry out maintenance on the magnum in the near future. as for the cost, i'm careful not to quote any definite prices here as i'm aware these do change over time. what i can do is give you links to reliable sites where you can get direct dollar quotes. it will then be left to you to make deductions as to final landing prices. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by shithapuns: 11:24am On Nov 26, 2013 |
i have a battery bank {2 x 200amp) that i have used for about 2yrs.........now i want to increase my capacity and buy 2 x 200amp battery to form my 2nd bank...my qquestion is....can i combine both banks...say using the copper bar as george d used? its a 24v inverter so the batteries will in in series n then parallel....the system would be connected to a 1kw 24v solar panel and a cc charge controller.....but my major concern is if i can combine the old and new battery bank............without the old battery affecting the life/performance of the new........am thinking since they are in different strings that the effect would be negligible...but am open to ideas/comments from folks here |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by TotalGreen: 2:29pm On Nov 26, 2013 |
hello, Not Advisable, you old set is 2yrs deep, if it was like 3months or less, then you can risk it, but 2yrs too long. my 2 cent shithapuns: i have a battery bank {2 x 200amp) that i have used for about 2yrs.........now i want to increase my capacity and buy 2 x 200amp battery to form my 2nd bank...my qquestion is....can i combine both banks...say using the copper bar as george d used? |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 3:58pm On Nov 26, 2013 |
bodejohn: bodejohn, most probably i would still have gone ahead with the upgrade only that the reasons would then not be as compelling and the urgency would have been muted. true, the tristar was doing a good job charging the battery bank so the negative impact of the cyberpower or sukam not having smart charging abilities was largely mitigated as evident from the voltage readings i carried out before rotating the batteries. however, i needed the other features of the magnum which i couldn't get from those other two inverters, including remote system monitoring. also the inverting efficiency seems quite high at over 95%. i know i have personally measured 85% and above. also another compelling reason for the change to high end is the seemingly short life span of these average inverters. within the space of 5yrs i have gone through about three inverters! my calculations tell me that i have to change to a new inverter every two years or so. within this space of time, either something goes wrong that requires costly maintenance or that cannot be repaired at all. not good for a cost conscious fellow who entered the renewables journey on the promise of low maintenance and durability. if i add up the cost of purchasing those other three inverters, i could have comfortably gotten a magnum or xantrex with change to spare! and chances are that i would still be using the magnum today. the magnum is a 4300w model (it is rated in kilowatts as with most usa power products). that will translate into something like 5.4kva assuming a power factor of 0.8 |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 10:34pm On Nov 26, 2013 |
shithapuns, totalgreen is correct. never mix old and new batteries - especially those as old as two years apart. they being in parallel does little to mitigate the negative impact of such an arrangement. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by donmatin(m): 6:16am On Nov 27, 2013 |
George_D: shithapuns,oga George I av misplaced ur number and ur email I can't find,its me d guy dat stays in warri.are u back now?Abeg inbox me ur number mails4kage@yahoo.co.uk Cus I need ur help |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by GeorgeD1(m): 10:09am On Nov 27, 2013 |
donmatin: oga George I av misplaced ur number and ur email I can't find,its me d guy dat stays in warri.are u back now?Abeg inbox me ur number mails4kage@yahoo.co.uk Cus I need ur help donmatin, you got mail. |
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by donmatin(m): 1:08pm On Nov 27, 2013 |
George_D:yes u av and av replied u.tanks |
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