EgunMogaji2:


Chief, did you mean to write that a hybrid inverter differs from charge controllers because it has connection for PHCN/Generator?

Thanks.

HYBRID INVERTERS HV INBUILT charge controllers, unlike normal inverters,...this you know as well, thats the major difference btw normal inverters and hybrid inverters
chief dont know whatelse you want me to say

BetaTechnicians:

How has the charge controller been performing?

What voltage comes out of the load interface of the charge controller?
Is there a setting to cut off the output to that load at a certain battery level/voltage?

I have been out of town since I installed the cc so I haven't been able to do any recording. And the stupid cc will always revert to zero after sundown so I don't have the record. The day I connected it ,the reading was 175 watts at about 3pm and voltage 13.7 for panel and 12.6 for battery.

Is there a setting to cut off the output to that load at a certain battery level/voltage?
I will have to check the manual again. I dispensed with the cc after purchase because it reverts to zero after sundown and does not give me cumulative log. More so the pwm is serving well. So I boxed it.

EgunMogaji2:


Chief, did you mean to write that a hybrid inverter differs from charge controllers because it has connection for PHCN/Generator?

Thanks.

This is the basics:
Hybrid inverter(or any inverter for that matter) is different from cc because they perform different functions. An inverter perform two functions; converts DC from battery to AC for household use(which a CC can't do), and also acts as a charger for battery. While a cc regulates(for want of a better term) fluctuating solar current for battery charging.
Hybrid inverter(in contrast to conventional inverter) is built to incorporate/accommodate solar panels input directly into it via an INBUILT CC. A conventional cc has no inbuilt cc so you need to install one separately. Thus the common thing between them is battery charging( cc via solar inverter via gen/phcn).

If I have not confused you, let me illustrate it this way. You need lipton,sugar and milk for making tea. Milk is indispensable for the process. Rather than getting all three separately, someone now manufacture sugar/milk combination. He markets it as hybrid sugar. Thus, if you have hybrid sugar you dont need to buy milk again. all you now need is Lipton to make your tea.

You are well read on solar and know all these already, where then is the confusion?



Incidentally, why do we call this thing an inverter? Is it inverting or converting current?

Topmost11:


This is the basics:
Hybrid inverter(or any inverter for that matter) is different from cc because they perform different functions. An inverter perform two functions; converts DC from battery to AC for household use(which a CC can't do), and also acts as a charger for battery. While a cc regulates(for want of a better term) fluctuating solar current for battery charging.
Hybrid inverter(in contrast to conventional inverter) is built to incorporate/accommodate solar panels input directly into it via an INBUILT CC. A conventional cc has no inbuilt cc so you need to install one separately. Thus the common thing between them is battery charging( cc via solar inverter via gen/phcn).

If I have not confused you, let me illustrate it this way. You need lipton,sugar and milk for making tea. Milk is indispensable for the process. Rather than getting all three separately, someone now manufacture sugar/milk combination. He markets it as hybrid sugar. Thus, if you have hybrid sugar you dont need to buy milk again. all you now need is Lipton to make your tea.

You are well read on solar and know all these already, where then is the confusion?



Incidentally, why do we call this thing an inverter? Is it inverting or converting current?

Apologies folks, I did not mean to stir the pot.

I just thought that “JUST THAT IT HAS ANOTHER NEG & POS TERMINAL FOR THE SOLAR PANELS INPUT,” should really be written as “ JUST THAT IT HAS ANOTHER NEG & POS TERMINAL FOR THE PHCN/GEN INPUT,”

But no worries. Hope everyone’s having a wonderful weekend.

EgunMogaji2:


Apologies folks, I did not mean to stir the pot.

I just thought that “JUST THAT IT HAS ANOTHER NEG & POS TERMINAL FOR THE SOLAR PANELS INPUT,” should really be written as “ JUST THAT IT HAS ANOTHER NEG & POS TERMINAL FOR THE PHCN/GEN INPUT,”

But no worries. Hope everyone’s having a wonderful weekend.

Hello, hope u understand what @Topmost11 wrote last? What u quoted he wrote wrongly (if i am correct to assume that), is the way it should be written.
Note:
Any "inverter/charger" will ALWAYS have Phcn/gen input, anyone!

Oshomo12:


Hello, hope u understand what @Topmost11 wrote last? What u quoted he wrote wrongly (if i am correct to assume that), is the way it should be written.
Note:
Any "inverter/charger" will ALWAYS have Phcn/gen input, anyone!

Okay good.

Rounds of beers for everyone.

Converter vs. Inverter.
Converters and inverters are electrical devices that convert current. Converters convert the voltage of an electric device, usually alternating current (AC) to direct current (DC). On the other hand, inverters convert direct current (DC) to alternating current (AC).

That is the answer to what I asked

oliyeniun:
Hello house,

Please i am trying to install a solar panel system for my parents, can you recommend a good solar installer in Ilorin?

Secondly, I want to ask if anyone can help with the schematic drawing for hybrid inverter connection. I am not an expert but I try to read up, and from my readings, it seems that the connection of solar hybrid inverter is different from the normal solar-inverter connection.

Thirdly, I assume I don't need a charge controller if I am using a hybrid inverter...please help clarify.

Lastly, what is the recommended cable size and type for connection from the panels to the inverter....this is so that if I don't get a recommended installer, I can at least monitor the one I can manage to get to ensure a good connection.

Thanks house.

If it is an Axpert hybrid inverter and you are using flooded batteries you will need a charge controller so that the batteries will not die within a short while. It has something to do with the charging parameters for and Axpert hybrid inverter with flooded batteries

oliyeniun:
Hello house,

Please i am trying to install a solar panel system for my parents, can you recommend a good solar installer in Ilorin?

Secondly, I want to ask if anyone can help with the schematic drawing for hybrid inverter connection. I am not an expert but I try to read up, and from my readings, it seems that the connection of solar hybrid inverter is different from the normal solar-inverter connection.

Thirdly, I assume I don't need a charge controller if I am using a hybrid inverter...please help clarify.

Lastly, what is the recommended cable size and type for connection from the panels to the inverter....this is so that if I don't get a recommended installer, I can at least monitor the one I can manage to get to ensure a good connection.

Thanks house.

I believe Abunafiu is in Ilorin axis if I am not mistaking

Saipro:

... as soon as the batteries are reasonably "full", the battery voltage would rise rapidly to match that of the PV output. Unless the incoming current (after deducting loads and losses) is really small compared to battery capacity (typically 4% or less). Given those conditions being met, you're likely to damage your battery from undercharging. As you can see, either way is a lose-lose. Slip in a cheap but functional CC and you'll minimise the possibility of a premature battery death or worse, a fire.

Thanks for this reasonable info. Now I see the reason in the bolded

And my question is what type and name of wire can I use for the connections

I never wondered about it until you pointed it out.

The explanation isn't intuitive sha.

Topmost11:
Converter vs. Inverter.
Converters and inverters are electrical devices that convert current. Converters convert the voltage of an electric device, usually alternating current (AC) to direct current (DC). On the other hand, inverters convert direct current (DC) to alternating current (AC).

That is the answer to what I asked

BetaTechnicians:

How has the charge controller been performing?

What voltage comes out of the load interface of the charge controller?
Is there a setting to cut off the output to that load at a certain battery level/voltage?

This is 11;57am 5/1/2020

simydan:


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How can I reach you?

Topmost11:


I have been out of town since I installed the cc so I haven't been able to do any recording. And the stupid cc will always revert to zero after sundown so I don't have the record. The day I connected it ,the reading was 175 watts at about 3pm and voltage 13.7 for panel and 12.6 for battery.

Is there a setting to cut off the output to that load at a certain battery level/voltage?
I will have to check the manual again. I dispensed with the cc after purchase because it reverts to zero after sundown and does not give me cumulative log. More so the pwm is serving well. So I boxed it.

Lol... why do you call it stupid? Log storage most likely wasn't added as a feature.

Is there a setting to cut off the output to that load at a certain battery level/voltage?, you said you were gona check the manual.

Charge controller inside inverter == HYBRID Inverter.

Inverter + PHCN/GEN input == GRID-TIED Inverter.

Plain Inverter (No charging) == OFF-GRID Inverter.

Excuse my French

BetaTechnicians:
Charge controller inside inverter == HYBRID Inverter.
[s]
Inverter + PHCN/GEN input == GRID-TIED Inverter[/s].

Plain Inverter (No charging) == OFF-GRID Inverter.

Excuse my French

Normal inverter == Has grid/gen input +inbuilt batt charger.This is about the commonest inverter in use in nigeria

Bro, your French is poor .

Grid tied inverters are special inverters designed to inject back excess power generated from solar panels, wind turbines etc into the grid..aka nepa, and you usually get paid for the power you injected.
Not for use in nigeria and many other 3rd word countries , as their grid/system doesnt support such

earthrealm:


you usually get paid for the power you injected.

Not in Naija grid

Our grid is not that smart

earthrealm:

Normal inverter == Has grid/gen input +inbuilt batt charger.This is about the commonest inverter in use in nigeria

Bro, your French is poor .

Grid tied inverters are special inverters designed to inject back excess power generated from solar panels, wind turbines etc into the grid..aka nepa, and you usually get paid for the power you injected.
Not for use in nigeria and many other 3rd word countries , as their grid/system doesnt support such

Try grid-tie operation in Nigeria and you'll probably kill a few NEPA folk during their maintenance runs. That's asides giving away power for free while stressing your inverter.

idsolar:

I believe Abunafiu is in Ilorin axis if I am not mistaking

Saipro is in Ilorin too but I'm more of a hobbyist. I'd rather teach you the DIY route to your destination. Reach out if you don't mind getting your hands dirty (and possibly learning how your setup works, in the process)

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earthrealm:


Normal inverter == Has grid/gen input +inbuilt batt charger.This is about the commonest inverter in use in nigeria

Bro, your French is poor .

Grid tied inverters are special inverters designed to inject back excess power generated from solar panels, wind turbines etc into the grid..aka nepa, and you usually get paid for the power you injected.
Not for use in nigeria and many other 3rd word countries , as their grid/system doesnt support such

I am not totally wrong, Yes I'm aware of the common usage of "grid-tied" which is to describe a system which gives back to the grid, is metered and the owner gets compensated, but the term is usually interchangeably used to describe an ON-GRID system which we use here.

oblo:



How can I reach you?

You can reach me: 08134608560.

ceaser:


Please note that the screen display can not be switched off, at least that's with the one I have. This picture seems to show an improved new model (can't be so sure but the switch on this is different from that in mine).

Also I found out that generally, inverters with in-built AC charger tend to have higher no-load consumption hence the reason I retired it for one with no AC charger. I didn't really test the consumption but I took that "fact" of higher no-load consumption as a fact.

This inverter has in-built voltage stabilizer as well, so I guess that will further contribute to no-load consumption.

Another thing noteworthy in this inverter is the fact that when the charging voltage is low to around 180v to around 196v (which is very common with NEPA supply) and you have appliances plugged into it, the voltage stabilizer switches the battery charging off and shunts the voltage directly to power the appliance, hence battery charging suffers. But if appliances aren't plugged in during this period, the battery is charged.

If voltage input is adequate, charging is quite fast (I think the in-built charger is 20A) and it is able to power appliances at the same time.

I hated that problem so I bought an external charger to charge my batteries.

Thanks for these intelligent observations...

BetaTechnicians:


I am not totally wrong, Yes I'm aware of the common usage of "grid-tied" which is to describe a system which gives back to the grid, is metered and the owner gets compensated, but the term is usually interchangeably used to describe an ON-GRID system which we use here.

Na waoh o.
No comment bro

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DUNKA:
If it is an Axpert hybrid inverter and you are using flooded batteries you will need a charge controller so that the batteries will not die within a short while. It has something to do with the charging parameters for and Axpert hybrid inverter with flooded batteries

Thanks all for the response. It was really helpful. I appreciate.

oliyeniun:
Hello house,

Please i am trying to install a solar panel system for my parents, can you recommend a good solar installer in Ilorin?

Secondly, I want to ask if anyone can help with the schematic drawing for hybrid inverter connection. I am not an expert but I try to read up, and from my readings, it seems that the connection of solar hybrid inverter is different from the normal solar-inverter connection.

Thirdly, I assume I don't need a charge controller if I am using a hybrid inverter...please help clarify.

Lastly, what is the recommended cable size and type for connection from the panels to the inverter....this is so that if I don't get a recommended installer, I can at least monitor the one I can manage to get to ensure a good connection.

Thanks house.

I am very much interested sir! I tried reaching out also. Thanks for this opportunity.

Saipro:

Saipro is in Ilorin too but I'm more of a hobbyist. I'd rather teach you the DIY route to your destination. Reach out if you don't mind getting your hands dirty (and possibly learning how your setup works, in the process)