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The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 10:16pm On Feb 02, 2010 |
I am watching a program right now and there are geologist, scientist, researchers and all forms of various international organisation who are expert on earthquake and movement of the earth etc all presenting views based on facts, records and known science. One that have proved beyond what anyone around will say is the fact that there was a warning couple of years back. This was based on facts and observation of the earth plains and fault that forms Haiti. Please read below.
http://www.physorg.com/news182753713.html Any one who wants to question these people, should at least do so logically. PS If anyone suggest once again that the US are responsible or give any idea that may suggest so, they need to be laughed at to be honest. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 10:24pm On Feb 02, 2010 |
So far we have seen road destroyed in "rippled effect". This flies in the face of claims made by some Nairalanders. There are even deep fault lines similar to San andreas fault line. Still thinking it is man made? Not a chance! PS I am writing these as am watching so bear with me. Will update some more. An image of SA fault line. http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://geology.com/articles/images/san-andreas-fault-map.jpg&imgrefurl=http://geology.com/articles/san-andreas-fault.shtml&h=750&w=711&sz=336&tbnid=qz2tBU7ysGL5qM:&tbnh=231&tbnw=219&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSan%2Bandreas%2Bfault%2Bline&hl=en&usg=__Ti6m6eGsG9ZgL0bAwlWbbzb64No=&ei=FJdoS_KIBqai0gTl0uSzCA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image&ved=0CAcQ9QEwAQ |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 10:36pm On Feb 02, 2010 |
One of the reasons there was so much damage according to experts is what is known as "amplification". This means that as the earthquake ripples travels away from the rocks or fault plain, there is a massive increase in the "ripple effect" [hence amplification]. This effect means that buildings and structures that are built on rocks or close to the base of the rock will receive less damage, while those on lose soil or away from the fault line will suffer much damage as a result. In the case of Haiti, most of the house and its structure are around the "soft sediments" area hence the devastating damage. The program is still on going and will try and post as much as I cant. Oh it any one is in the UK, you can watch it online at Ch4 website. It is entitled "Haiti's Killer quake: Why it happened". http://www.channel4.com/programmes/4od At least those who have sprouted all sort of drivel about the US involvement can watch it. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 10:40pm On Feb 02, 2010 |
Oh another reason there are so much damage is that some of the buildings examined have little or not steel in them. There are plenty concrete but little steel and according to experts these can mean a difference between a building staying up or collapsing. I also remember making a reference to houses built in Japan are made specifically to protect against tremors. Still thinking the US have a hand in all of these? God punish you for evening thinking that. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 10:45pm On Feb 02, 2010 |
One of the contact details of the Professor that gave an expert opinion. Professor Bill McGuire http://www.ucl.ac.uk/es/people/mcguire.htm
I will add more people as their details are posted up. Or could this be one big ruse by the US to convince us all? Whatever you guys - Yeah am talking to you guys, you know who you are! - are smoking, you need to give it up. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 10:57pm On Feb 02, 2010 |
http://quake.usgs.gov/research/deformation/modeling/people/ross.html
Here is his CV [resume] http://quake.usgs.gov/research/deformation/modeling/refs/Ross_resume.html He clearly knows what he is talking about. Let us see this morons challenge him. In fact, I am taking the liberty of sending him an email with a link to those silly threads. I mean, we are already perceived as Fraudsters, it won't do no more damage if some of us are perceived as idiot and illogical fools, especially those we have pointed suspicious finger at the US. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by Tudor6(f): 11:05pm On Feb 02, 2010 |
Na lie, that man is a CIA agent saying what they want him to say. USA is evil, the caused the earthquake in haiti and have kidnapped Nigeria's president ya'radua to implant a microchip in his brain. This will make him an American puppet and he'll be controlled to let AFRICOM into Nigeria and hand over our oil fields to the white house. . . .phew! |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 8:03am On Feb 03, 2010 |
Lol. Anyone managed to catch back on the program yet? Especially, those who may have been poisoned by the claims made by Horus, Negro_Ntns and sammilla? |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by cap28: 2:22pm On Feb 03, 2010 |
ElRazur: yes i watched the first few minutes and had to switch off because i realised that this documentary is being put out to quell any current feelings of suspicion that most people have about this earthquake. i would prefer to do my own independent research before listening to supposed scientific evidence which may or may not be bogus. im still researching this issue and shall get back to you later. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by Tudor6(f): 2:45pm On Feb 03, 2010 |
Yes cap28 has come to answer roll call. . . I was wondering where he might be. @cap28 we already know what the result of your 'research' is gonna be, don't we? |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 5:16pm On Feb 03, 2010 |
cap28: So let me get this straight, simply because it do not go well with your thinking and ideas, you opted to turn if off after a few minutes? And you are suppose to provide a counter argument to it? You are the very definition of an ignorant person am afraid. Despite all the outlandish stuff you posted along side others, I had to read them and take them in then make my own counter arguments. You see, that is how to learn. Jeez man, where is the logic? How many people have such suspicions if we do a head count, there is just less the 10 of you who are vocal about it on NL and a very lesser figures who aint vocal. So tell me who are these people? The Russians who are clearly anti-west and will post any propaganda to support their claims, are these the people you are talking about? What independent research are you doing? If you call using materials that are not based on facts but suspicions and crazy theories, then I am afraid, that is not the kind of research you can bring around here. We want facts and nothing but facts. By the way, can we have your qualification or CV on since you are doing an "independent" research. What a joke. Please get back to me, I will be waiting. I mean, It was about four of you before and now one of you have decided to phuck off. I guess one down, three more to go. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by cap28: 9:37pm On Feb 03, 2010 |
ElRazur: err no - i turned it off because i prefer to make my own mind up about what actually caused the earthquake rather than be fed information by a mainstream tv station which is known for spouting propaganda. you see unlike you El razur i actually think for myself as opposed to letting others do the thinking for me. How many people have such suspicions if we do a head count, there is just less the 10 of you who are vocal about it on NL and a very lesser figures who aint vocal. So tell me who are these people? The Russians who are clearly anti-west and will post any propaganda to support their claims, are these the people you are talking about? actually if you ventured out of your little closed world and had a look on other websites you would find that there's a whole world of people out there who are highly suspicious of what caused the haiti earthquake, however i understand that you are not used to engaging in intelligent debate and therefore instead of looking at alternative arguments you resort to abuse and foul language - sooo immature!!! What independent research are you doing? If you call using materials that are not based on facts but suspicions and crazy theories, then I am afraid, that is not the kind of research you can bring around here. We want facts and nothing but facts. By the way, can we have your qualification or CV on since you are doing an "independent" research. What a joke. okay let me break it to you - inquisitive minds do not rely on only one source of information, they read, access online library materials, consult specialist texts - this is known as research which is obviously an alien concept to you. only someone of low intellectual ability would rely on one source to base an argument especially if that source were a mainstream media outlet which has a track record of being a govt mouthpiece. Please get back to me, I will be waiting. I mean, It was about four of you before and now one of you have decided to phuck off. I guess one down, three more to go. yeah ill get back to you alright but i sense i will be wasting my time as you sound as if youve got a few screws loose - but ill see how it goes |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 12:14am On Feb 04, 2010 |
cap28: No. Please be at least upfront. You turned it off because it do not go with your alleged views that is all. Do you know what propaganda means? Here: "Propaganda is information, often inaccurate information, which a political organization publishes or broadcasts in order to influence people" From the evidences presented based on science and what we know, plus the amount of expert in there, it is safe to say these are accurate information and facts, so it won't be a propaganda of any kind. Please explain to me how you think for yourself in these particular issue when you know little or nothing about earthquakes, or the science behind them? Perhaps I am making a hasty assumptions. What are you credentials? For the record, I am a Biomedical Scientist. actually if you ventured out of your little closed world and had a look on other websites you would find that there's a whole world of people out there who are highly suspicious of what caused the haiti earthquake, however i understand that you are not used to engaging in intelligent debate and therefore instead of looking at alternative arguments you resort to abuse and foul language - sooo immature!!! I read information posted by you, I read information posted by others and responded. How am I in a closed world? You turned off a program you are supposed to counter with facts, surely all fingers point at you as the little minded one? YOu are right though, there will be your types out there, after all people are still sprouting conspiracy theory as to how the Moon landing was faked. I am not sure about this abuse and foul language you are talking about. Can you point one at me? Or are you gonna stick to the issue at hand instead of trying to bicker? okay let me break it to you - inquisitive minds do not rely on only one source of information, they read, access online library materials, consult specialist texts - this is known as research which is obviously an alien concept to you. only someone of low intellectual ability would rely on one source to base an argument especially if that source were a mainstream media outlet which has a track record of being a govt mouthpiece. Please stop making a mockery of yourself. There is nothing inquisitive about your mind, if there was you won't turn off the documentary after just a few minutes. Low intellectual ability? Lmao. I won't even dignify that with a reply. Oh please give me a break, what online library resource do you use? Do you even base you arguments on facts or suspicions and phobia of the yeah ill get back to you alright but i sense i will be wasting my time as you sound as if youve got a few screws loose - but ill see how it goes I am STILL waiting. Oh and you are supposed to be the one with the High IQ right? Anyway, please bring your ultimate facts. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 3:43pm On Feb 06, 2010 |
Will these people please come forward with their proofs? Or are they giving it up and hanging their gloves? |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 12:36pm On Feb 10, 2010 |
Still no "alternative facts" are forth coming? In the mean time, the US have tested the same HARRRP weapon in their own backyard. You can always trust the Americans to minimize the damage in their own back yard. http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/02/quake-like-tremors-reported-in-western-suburbs.html |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by 4Play(m): 3:25pm On Feb 10, 2010 |
Cap28, I agree with you 100%. Last weekend, I felt an earthquake in my bedroom. I knew it was Obama's CIA agents after me because I have been criticizing him. These Yanks will go to any length to attack anyone. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 5:57pm On Feb 10, 2010 |
4 Play: I think it is the unbalanced bed of yours that is rocking again. Lol. Mind you, the CIA was the reason it was rocking in the first place. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by Mariory(m): 4:51am On Feb 13, 2010 |
ElRazur: How dare you suggest that the Horus, Negro_Ntns, Sammilla, and "the others", are you going to stand for this travesty? |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by Mariory(m): 4:58am On Feb 13, 2010 |
ElRazur: Did you just seriously ask that? Ofcourse he has a degree in the Internet. ElRazur: Common I think we both know common sense is so last year. It's no longer about facts, Hollywood has seen to that. It is now more about plausible stories. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 3:19pm On Feb 13, 2010 |
Mariory: Sorry o no vex. I heard it was a weapon called HARRP. After all, the Russian military who are completely unbiased about the West said so. So it must be true! Negro_Ntns gave his quit thread somewhere around here. I have a feeling he is gone[s] but reincarnated in the body of another account.[/s] I was hoping Cap28 would at least come back with facts to defend his view point - well at least he said he would be back. Mariory: I see, lol. I only have HND when it comes to internet but I have a feeling I can give him a run for his money. It is crazy isn't people actually hold on to view points like those of the posters you mentioned and THEN take it into a debate as a fact. It may be good for a beer parlour or Pub house debate, but on the internet? Give me a break lol. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by Nobody: 4:00am On Feb 14, 2010 |
^^ @ el razur as per your signature Nigeria- God's very own toilet what do you think comes out of God's behind? the same sort of stuff coming out of yours? |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by biina: 2:13am On Feb 15, 2010 |
Both positions may not be mutually exclusive, as an underground detonation may have catalyzed the quake. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/faq/?categoryID=12&faqID=88 |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 7:00pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
biina: Yeah and no radioactive material fall out? No. Erm Okay. BTW Welcome back. I just find it ridiculous when people tend to think the US is responsible. Even there are no proof further coming. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by biina: 9:37pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
ElRazur:radio active fallout where? the shockwaves will travel well beyond the point of detonation e.g 1000Km, while radioactivity will be more localized (else the whole world would have been contaminated by now). As long we are not privy to the details of relevant US military operations, it would always be an inconclusive argument which does not make either side right or wrong. The seismologist and geologist have only said that the fault line was ripe for picking, and cannot say if the fruit dropped of its own will or was plucked by an unseen hand. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 10:19pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
biina: You are one funny guy. So a nuclear explosion under ground was carried out exactly where? I suspect underground water analysis should be throwing up all sort of contaminants etc. We do not need to have access to certain information before one can conclude on that the US do not have a hand in what have happened to haiti. I suppose given your knowledge, you know better than the expert and can paint a picture of suspicion? The expert have stated [see link I posted] that is an earthquake [and nothing man-made about it]. No? Further more, you theory of an underground explosion may be flawed. The ripple effect and amplification will leave behind a trail of destruction from the point of detonation. How this will travel 1000 of miles seem shaky to be honest. You also left this bit out.
Nice try Binna. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by biina: 11:26pm On Feb 15, 2010 |
ElRazur:At no point did I say a nuclear explosion being sole cause of the earthquake, rather simply said that the statements of the geologist does not rule out such an event catalyzing the quake You need to know the 'when' and 'what' off the events before you can do a proper analysis of cause and effect. I assume you have heard of the butterfly effect which is at the extreme of the spectrum in chaos theory. No. They only state that the region was at the risk of experiencing an earthquake. They have said nothing categorical about what triggered it. With resonance, even a small seismic event can result in a major earthquake. No offense meant, but you dont seem to know much about such things. Wave propagation in any medium is not necessarily permanently disruptivee.g. beating on a table generates sound waves that does not necessarily destroy the table. left out? I linked to the entire article as a source on the issue of relating nuclear detonation to seismic activities. You are free to reach your own conclusions. At what? You sound paranoid. Guess you were looking for someone to argue, but sorry I dont have time for a pointless debate with you. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 10:04am On Feb 16, 2010 |
biina: I suggest reading the links and watch the videos provided. They cannot be clearer. You need to know the 'when' and 'what' off the events before you can do a proper analysis of cause and effect. I assume you have heard of the butterfly effect which is at the extreme of the spectrum in chaos theory. I suppose the people who are experts and presented their own findings clearly do not know what they are talking about? No?
Again go and read the link again. From the top of my head, Haiti lies on a fault plain, so the issue of what causes the earthquake is obvious. No offense meant, but you dont seem to know much about such things. Wave propagation in any medium is not necessarily permanently disruptivee.g. beating on a table generates sound waves that does not necessarily destroy the table. Unlike you, I do not pretend to know and sprout non-sense am afraid. For examples, you have stated above that "With resonance, even a small seismic event can result in a major earthquake" and in the same breathe stated that "Wave propagation in any medium is not necessarily permanently disruptive". Yet you left out factors such as amplification, ripple effect, the fact that Haiti is build literally on a fault plain etc. I suppose on one hand you are suggesting and on the other hand saying otherwise. Right, excellent display of how much you know. left out? I linked to the entire article as a source on the issue of relating nuclear detonation to seismic activities. You are free to reach your own conclusions. Yes. Your original post in relation to the quoted article was suggesting an underground detonation may be responsible. Yet in the same link provided to support your claim, it did state that one was done without resulting to any earthquake - even in a region prone to one. So your original point is more or less useless and not worth taking up further. That is my point and come to think of it, I am not so sure you read the article in question. At what? You sound paranoid. Guess you were looking for someone to argue, but sorry I dont have time for a pointless debate with you. Nice try and trying to suggest it could have been an underground explosion. Remember, you are clearly "more knowledgeable" on this issue. So I guess underground water contamination as a result of Nuclear explosion would be easily detected on analysis should be something that means something to you. No? Here: www.drenet.dnd.ca/BASIS/pcandid/www/engpub/DDW?W">http://pubs-www.drenet.dnd.ca/BASIS/pcandid/www/engpub/DDW?W%3DAUTHOR+%3D+%27Faucher%2C+D.%27%26M%3D2%26K%3D521796%26U%3D1 I suppose challenging each other intellectually is perhaps not your kind of thing? No one is looking to "argue" with you. And as for you stating paranoia, I won't even dignify that with a reply. |
Re: The Real Truth About Haiti's Earthquake. by ElRazur: 10:19am On Feb 16, 2010 |
Just as a recap what you originally link to is not conclusively saying underground detonation are responsible for earthquake, how ever it is examining a possible link and relation to increased seismic and earthquake like activities with the test carried out then. Also, it stated clearly there are other external factors like the daily seismic activities that occurs naturally may have been a contributing factor. How one can hold on to that as some sort of proof is beyond me or even attempt to use that to question known facts is just weird. |
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