Obaluf0n:


LOL you want to humble who without making any meaningful contributions other than what seems like endless face me and face you vitriol? This fellow is super deluded. AreaFada2 is this your alternate handle?

Obaluf0n:


[s]LOL you want to humble who without making any meaningful contributions other than what seems like endless face me and face you vitriol? This fellow is super deluded. AreaFada2 is this your alternate handle? [/s]

AreaFada2:


Even last time when your people ganged up to block me on another thread, I did not create another handle. If they block me I will leave their Nairaland for them.

Go check our posts on other topics. No doubt you will see what are unique about each of us : topics of interests, way of writing, grammar, pattern of posts, etc.
I very rarely create threads for example.

AreaFada2:


Well, the writing by an enlightened kinsman of yours below completely rubbishes your BEDC credentials:

http://adwalay..co.uk/2017/07/the-benin-invasion-of-lagos.html

macof:


Enlightened?
I thought you said you dont listen to yorubas? You are very confused

The history of Lagos is well known. Try try try all you want, only fools who don't matter anyway will fall for all this bini schemes to claim everywhere till Europe

AreaFada2:



If a Yoruba writer admitted this much just writing about Lagos, clearly mentioning Benin imperial power, then imagine the scale of it if done honestly all over Yorubaland & Dahomey.

Obaluf0n:
This is just a tip.

[s]People watch Bini folks scamper and lampoon the text with conjectures rather any meaningful superior text.

Also see cited reference[/s]s.

AreaFada2:

Abeg stop the nonsense. Ogiso dynasty produced Izoduwa/Your Oduduwa. Ogiso dynasty had about 35 Obagodo/Ogiso before producing Oduduwa.
Ooni position forever remains inferior to Benin throne. The political plot to unify all Yoruba under Oduduwa is clever but not enough to fool us.

macof:


You claim all of Africa was under Bini. After bini na Britain..so I'm not surprised you would claim Dahomey and all of yorubaland .I'm waiting for when you make a specific claim on Mali and Sudan ignorant bunch of losers


Scale of what? Go to Lagos, the Lagos i grew up in... Enuwa is the only place that Bini founded...that is the edo camp
I wonder why its not called Eko if Bini truly gave the area the name

All evidence points to the fact that Awori word "eko" which means farm is the real origin of the name of the city

The Idejo invited Ado from Enuwa to Ido after the death of Olofin of Ido to come bring peace, the same way Oranmiyan was invited to bring peace at igodomigodo. It was then Ado's son gabaro who was the true first eleko..similarly Eweka I was the true first Omonoba...Gabaro led from his palace Igadungaran at the Awori farmland.
Years later Ologun kutere dynasty began and he secured more power for the eleko...prior to this time Eleko was on the same footing as The Idejo, they were the employers and hosts.. same way Ewedo secured more power for the omonoba by intimidating the Uzama

Obaluf0n:

Finally, it is nice to meet/hear from you sir.
Our friend has forever bandied this 'lie' around as some sort of proof/citation of his knowledge in Yoruba history and to pain his point as a fact.
Please pardon the reference I made to you as 'ignorant' because clearly from your post you are far from anything ignorant.
Thank you for finally coming up to lay this claim of his to rest.

AreaFada2:


Lol. You are evolving very slowly..but there is hope.

Eleko was on same footing as local chiefs. Lol.

The difference is very clear. But you do not get it. Benin was not looking for "lebensraum". Benin land was and is fertile, more than enough to support the population for another 1000 years and more. Why take creekland full of snakes & crocodiles or even mainland that we did not need from ancestors of Idejo?
Colonising Lagos was majorly for strategic reasons: Empire expansion towards dahomey & coastal trade route.
Even Lagos sort of lost much significance after Oba Ehengbuda anyway after around 1578, though it remain a vassal of Benin until 1853.

macof:


and you call bini an impressive empire? If Bini had no intention of expanding then what is imperial about Bini?
An imperial power seeks to expand, not just its sphere of political domination but its homeland as well

Learn what an empire does from Oyo.
Oyo expanded its homeland ie. The kingdom of Oyo itself included towns like Ilorin to the north and Ijaye to the south. Dont get me started on the length of the empire(ie. Political domination)

As ive said, Enuwa is the only place under Bini 's official control...that was the camp Orhogbua founded. And its significance dwindled as the Bini people left under Ado were invited to settle in Aworiland...that was after Oba Orhogbua's death? Probably after that of his successor too.

But I maintain that Eko (the farmland that is now the main town of Lagos) was not vassal to Bini. Any Bini claim on the area was on Enuwa(the bini camp) at the edge of the lagoon.
I say this because growing up in Lagos island i never heard any reference to bini lording over the awori people. But Enuwa is known to have been a Bini camp
This is very similar to the case of the transition from Igodomigodo to Bini. How oranmiyan was invited by the uzama, how he set up camp at Usama and later founded a small community(Uselu) on lands belonging to the chiefs who invited him because Ogiemen wouldn't let him in.
How Eweka became the first true Oba of bini, like I've stated before..and so

To now say Lagos was a vassal of Bini, is shooting yourself in the foot, because same argument could be applied to say Bini was a vassal of Ife

AreaFada2:

You have comprehension problem o. If you do not have reading phobia please read my submission you just quoted about expansion.

Does expansion mean scattering majority of your core natives to far flung corners of the empire?

Not in the Benin concept. It was enough to use a handful of Benin elite to rule over conquered or acquired territories. Lagos as a case in point. Soldiers, the prince and a handful of Benin elite like Obanikoro were enough to control Lagos.

How can you judge Benin imperial ambitions and tatics using your own warped idea of empire?
Correction: Oranmiyan did not found Uselu. This is another Yoruba lie. Or those educated at Ibadan.

Usama was a temporary abode/palace even.
Egor, was where Oranmiyan lived. Eweka I grew up there too. His granddad and ancestors had been the duke (Ogiegor) of Egor since Ogiso times already. Eweka I's childhood neighborhood village at Useh, near Egor is near a relatives ducal palace till today. Same place each Oba goes to chooses his royal name since Eweka I.

Luckily I saw history of Lagos on Lagos State webpage during Fashola time in office. It was very categorical how Benin ruled Lagos.

Growing up in Lagos Island makes no difference since Benin Empire denial began under Awo regime already. We all remember how Yoruba people turned on Oba Oyekan of blessed memory when he admiited his Benin origin.

You certainly do not know Lagos history more than a son of a former Oba Lagos who narrated pretty much same as I later found out years later.

We have nothing to learn from Oyo. Each empire has its own goals and priorities. For example while Oyo embraced transatlantic slave trade that spread Yoruba to the Americas, Benin prohibited slave trade. Only allowing only parts of non-Benin people of the empire who insisted on slave trade to sell and buy themselves ONLY. So Oyo should have learned about dignity of man and integrity from Benin people. Not making money by any means.

NOTE: There is nothing like "Bini". It is Benin. Oba Erediauwa and Benin Traditional Council clarified this several times over the years. But people feel the urge to varnacularise the name. The City is Benin (Edo/Oredo), people also Benin (Edo/Ivbiedo), laguage is Benin (Edo) too. I know the recent advent is shifting Edo to include all natives of Edo State but that is not the tradition.

Well if historians worldwide (aside SW BEDC people) believe from historical facts that it was one of Africa's most impressive, and one international organisation voting three Benin emperors among Africa's most formidable/greatest 50 African leaders ever, well that pretty much sums it up.

macof:


Lmao look at this funny guy. Expansion involves spreading your population outside the homeland and having them retain the homeland identity. you admitted Bini did not do this. Bini failed to expand...that is why it is not considered an effective empire
Just imagine the size of the entire political area.. no wonder people don't even consider it an empire at all, of course because it is on the same level as Nupe, Ashanti, Dahomey...if having a little foreign lands under the King's authority is the big deal, we should call Nupe an Empire too
After all Nupe took over Owan areas from under your control, Nupe has a better record at Imperialism

it doesnt matter if Oranmiyan was at Egor or not, fact is that his Institution was at Uselu, prior to his coming there was no instituted authority at Uselu, therefore it is not wrong to say he founded Uselu... i already said he was given the land by some Igodomigodo chiefs

Oba Oyekan can speak on his personal lineage(Oyekan is actually of Ijesa lineage, from the ologun kutere dynasty), but to declare Lagos is out of his reach, same for any Eleko...even when the British was to take over Lagos, Oba Dosunmu had to call the Idejo and 'take permission' to secede Lagos to the British, not Oba of Bini's permission.

The vassal arrangement of the area to Bini was between Bini and Bini lineages in Lagos who were supposed to keep the Camp(Enuwa), it doesnt seem to have involved the older Awori lineages....so don't blame the person who told you his own 1-dimensional version based on the history of his lineage.


it is actually more correct to say/write 'Bini'. oranmiyan named the land 'ule-ibinu' that got corrupted to 'Ubini'
how you take to a Portuguese corruption of a corruption is just hilarious

Obaluf0n:



Baba your entire post is just brilliant.

The man goofed when he opted for 'Benin' as the correct one, a Portuguese creation at that LOL

'Bini' is what Yoruba people call 'Benin', in certain Ifa verses it is referred to as Bini, Ado and the king as Olu Bini.

KingOvoramwen1:



Olu Benin my feet lol..... You Yoruba's are just mediocre ... I pity you..... The ridicule you all keep Bringing yourselfs is pathetic..... Ever told a Benin son he has even a single ting to do with you Yoruba's before?..... Yeah that disgust You see on his or her face should tell you a lot!!


Smh!!

KingOvoramwen1:
[[s]quote author=Obaluf0n post=58654785]

Sir, we do not have anything to do with Bini.

In fact Bini as a group was never in our radar neither as a culture is it at par with Yoruba. Our only connection is our son & our arts we gave you, the only two things upon which your claim to fame is based on.

I guess if we never sent Oranmiyan or the artiats, Bini would have forever remained in obscurity.

[/s]


I guess if our son Oduduwa had not wandered into your wasteland and Civilised you lot.... You will still be in the Bush eating your ewedu without cooking it..

I am not even going to reply you on the Culture aspect Lmao.. Una too small abeg, bunch of jokers..... Your next ooni is already readying the beer and goat meat he would use in buying the ooni seat in IFE ......pathetic!!

Obaluf0n:



Lol y'all better go look for your lost fugitive elsewhere because Oduduwa was a proper Ife person.

Bini = greatness by attaché LOL.

Everybody .....Every tribe here on niaraland knows who the attache by force is...... Hahshaha ..... But we dey reject una like vomit at every turn!!.....


Oduduwa tell una say na sky king Aka Ogiso .... From igodomigodo and civilised you all with Benin Art and even the Culture Aspect you all are not still getting it right up till now..... What a shame


Ur next joke called Ooni is preparing for the next jamboree

KingOvoramwen1:


Era mé owie OGBE nóo

EdoNation:


Wonderfull

KingOvoramwen1:



Everybody .....Every tribe here on niaraland knows who the attache by force is...... Hahshaha ..... But we dey reject una like vomit at every turn!!.....


Oduduwa tell una say na sky king Aka Ogiso .... From igodomigodo and civilised you all with Benin Art and even the Culture Aspect you all are not still getting it right up till now..... What a shame


Ur next joke called Ooni is preparing for the next jamboree

macof:


[s]Shut up ode.

"Oduduwa" as a name belongs to an ancient deity credited with the creation of the earth. This same deity is most times considered feminine and heavily tied to the Aje (witches) who are said to have the powers of the earth

Oduduwa-the man adopted the name, he was previously known as Adimula. He has no business with Bini or should I say Igodomigodo
His origin lay in Oke-ora
Even in the Omonoba 's oriki, it is said "son of Adimula, son of odua of Ife"
Nothing connecting the oba to the ogiso is present in the traditions surrounding the Oba[/s]

KingOvoramwen1:



You are just an Unrepetant illiterate.......

Obaluf0n:


Uncle, first off, what does Izoduwa mean and what does Oduduwa mean?

Odu (vessel) da (create/brings) iwa (exisstence).

Like the Jewish God in the creation story of old testament, Oduduwa is the creation deity of the Yoruba. S/he created earth and everything on it asides humans.

Oduduwa wasn't the name of the warrior-usurper king who reigned in Ife. The usurper king lived ln the hills amongsst the many communitie there. These people migrated down to the valley and settled at Idio on the left arm of the palace while Idita (Obatala's family) live on the right side of the palace. He got the cognomen of the creator deity 'Oduduwa' for creating a new Ife -- the man practically reshuffled everything. Excavation of the hills showeed therewere indeed extensive communities up there prior to their migration down the valley.

Your story of Izoduwa is a con, it is based on sound/word and no verifiable evidences outside of Bini.

Also while your ogiso had 36 kings before your lost child, Ife had about 90 kings before the confederacy was shattered. Histories about Ife are verifiable in archeological excavations. It is different in Benin, apart from your fables not being known outside Bini, your claim to being in existence with a 'developed' community has proven to be non existent from archeological research. In fact, the oldest excavation from Bini were late-stone age tools that long preceeded anything Ogiso.

Apart from arcgeological finding in Ife, dramati personae who ere around during Oduduwa's riot who migrated to other places corroborate histories about Ife -- Mahin/Ugbo (Osangangan Obamakin), Idanre to mention a few. Can Bini point to any place outside Bini were verification of Izoduwa tale can be found? Lol.

Y'all need to sit down. Your revisionism is baseless and this is why no historian of repute is losing sleep over it not even Historians with Bini origins have interest in such a convoluted tale that would do nothing but blur their career LOL

Fulaman198:
Very nice, I never knew of a lot of the things posted here. This is why I am happy to be a moderator of this section.

So you see, Forefathers of this great nation were quite capable. In fact, I would say things were in a better state before Europeans came and looted this country of its goods. However, we as an entire nation must find a way to go back to the days of greatness together, irrespective of our different religions and ethnic groups.

lovelygurl:
Erm so op's wrong?