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Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by RosaConsidine: 9:12pm On Aug 04, 2017
johnydon22:
I hate the act, frankly put i am disgusted by homosexuality

Nothing wrong in not liking homosexuality. I mean, people love oats but I detest it with a passion. Doesn't mean I would advocate for all lovers of oats to be jailed, think them abnormal or start conspiracy theories that oat lovers want everyone in the world to eat oats. So long as I'm not being forced into eating it, we don't have a problem.

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Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by Nobody: 9:18pm On Aug 04, 2017
I agree. I am very pro-LGBT rights. I personally have no opinion on same-sex sexual intercourse-that is as to if it is "disgusting" or not. I'm not the one having the sex, if they're into it so be it. I don't think there is anything even a little bit wrong with homosexuality. I certainly don't think any government should be telling two (or more hehe) grown adults that they cannot have consensual sex with each other.

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Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by Nobody: 9:19pm On Aug 04, 2017
johnydon22:
I hate the act, frankly put i am disgusted by homosexuality

Do you support it's criminalization?
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by hopefulLandlord: 11:41pm On Aug 04, 2017
RosaConsidine:


Nothing wrong in not liking homosexuality. I mean, people love oats but I detest it with a passion. Doesn't mean I would advocate for all lovers of oats to be jailed, think them abnormal or start conspiracy theories that oat lovers want everyone in the world to eat oats. So long as I'm not being forced into eating it, we don't have a problem.

Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by johnydon22(m): 9:53am On Aug 05, 2017
Humanistme:


so do you agree with the criminalization?

Not really, I stated people should be allowed to do what they that doesn't harm others

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Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by johnydon22(m): 9:54am On Aug 05, 2017
akintom:

Do you think you can separate the hate for the act, from the actors?

Of course easily

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Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by hadow(m): 9:56am On Aug 05, 2017
a sin is a sin .lgbt is sinful (leviticus 18:22
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by akintom(m): 12:46pm On Aug 05, 2017
hadow:
a sin is a sin .lgbt is sinful (leviticus 18:22
Says Yahweh, the fairy of desert nomads.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by Bandeco(m): 1:54pm On Aug 05, 2017
johnydon22:
i believe that everyone should be left alone to live their lives the way they want as long as you dont hurt anyone but still i hate homosexuality, you may say i am a homophobe i won't deny that
I thought you will know that homosexuality is not peculiar to humans only. Other animals practice homosexuality too.

Homosexuals were birthed by heterosexuals couples. You may likewise give birth to a homosexual tomorrow. So what happens then? Kill him/her, discriminate against him/her?

You are so wrong on this. You can not hate nature young man.

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Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by Deicide: 2:32pm On Aug 05, 2017
Akintom You be Homosexual? grin
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by RosaConsidine: 2:52pm On Aug 05, 2017
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grin grin grin
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by akintom(m): 3:08pm On Aug 05, 2017
Deicide:
Akintom You be Homosexual? grin
No I'm not.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by johnydon22(m): 9:28am On Aug 06, 2017
Bandeco:

I thought you will know that homosexuality is not peculiar to humans only. Other animals practice homosexuality too.
I know


Homosexuals were birthed by heterosexuals couples. You may likewise give birth to a homosexual tomorrow. So what happens then? Kill him/her, discriminate against him/her?
Ian Mckellen or what ever his name is is gay, I like him and his acting but I hate his sexual orientation.

You are so wrong on this.
it's an opinion and so is this one

You can not hate nature young man.
You can, I hate mosquitoes and snakes

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Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by vaxx: 7:33am On Aug 28, 2017
akintom:
WPA Position Statement on Gender Identity and Same-Sex Orientation, Attraction, and Behaviours
Background

Recent controversies in many countries suggest a need for clarity on same-sex orientation, attraction, and behaviour (formerly referred to as homosexuality).

Along with other international organisations, World Psychiatric Association (WPA) considers sexual orientation to be innate and determined by biological, psychological, developmental, and social factors.

Over 50 years ago, Kinsey et al (1948) documented a diversity of sexual behaviours among people. Surprisingly for the time, he described that for over 10% of individuals this included same-sex sexual behaviours.

Subsequent population research has demonstrated approximately 4% of people identify with a same-sex sexual orientation (e.g., gay, lesbian, and bisexual orientations). Another 0.5% identify with a gender identity other than the gender assigned at birth (e.g., transgender) (Gates 2011). Globally, this equates to over 250 million individuals.

Psychiatrists have a social responsibility to advocate for a reduction in social inequalities for all individuals, including inequalities related to gender identity and sexual orientation.

Despite an unfortunate history of perpetuating stigma and discrimination, it has been decades since modern medicine abandoned pathologising same-sex orientation and behaviour (APA 1980) The World Health Organization (WHO) accepts same-sex orientation as a normal variant of human sexuality (WHO 1992). The United Nations Human Rights Council (2012) values Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) rights. In two major diagnostic and classification systems (International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) and DSM-5), same sex sexual orientation, attraction, and behaviour and gender identity are not seen as pathologies (WHO 1993, APA 2013).

There is considerable research evidence to suggest that sexual behaviours and sexual fluidity depend upon a number of factors (Ventriglio et al 2016). Furthermore, it has been shown conclusively that LGBT individuals show higher than expected rates of psychiatric disorders (Levounis et al 2012, Kalra et al 2015), and once their rights and equality are recognised these rates start to drop (Gonzales 2014, Hatzenbuehler et al 2009, 2012, Padula et al 2015)

People with diverse sexual orientations and gender identities may have grounds for exploring therapeutic options to help them live more comfortably, reduce distress, cope with structural discrimination, and develop a greater degree of acceptance of their sexual orientation or gender identity. Such principles apply to any individual who experiences distress relating to an aspect of their identity, including heterosexual individuals.

WPA believes strongly in evidence-based treatment. There is no sound scientific evidence that innate sexual orientation can be changed. Furthermore, so-called treatments of homosexuality can create a setting in which prejudice and discrimination flourish, and they can be potentially harmful (Rao and Jacob 2012). The provision of any intervention purporting to “treat” something that is not a disorder is wholly unethical.
Action

1. The World Psychiatric Association (WPA) holds the view that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals are and should be regarded as valued members of society, who have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as all other citizens. This includes equal access to healthcare and the rights and responsibilities that go along with living in a civilised society.

2. WPA recognises the universality of same-sex expression, across cultures. It holds the position that a same-sex sexual orientation per se does not imply objective psychological dysfunction or impairment in judgement, stability, or vocational capabilities.

3. WPA considers same-sex attraction, orientation, and behaviour as normal variants of human sexuality. It recognises the multi-factorial causation of human sexuality, orientation, behaviour, and lifestyle. It acknowledges the lack of scientific efficacy of treatments that attempt to change sexual orientation and highlights the harm and adverse effects of such “therapies”.

4. WPA acknowledges the social stigma and consequent discrimination of people with same-sex sexual orientation and transgender gender identity. It recognises that the difficulties they face are a significant cause of their distress and calls for the provision of adequate mental health support.

5. WPA supports the need to de-criminalise same–sex sexual orientation and behaviour and transgender gender identity, and to recognise LGBT rights to include human, civil, and political rights. It also supports anti-bullying legislation; anti-discrimination student, employment, and housing laws; immigration equality; equal age of consent laws; and hate crime laws providing enhanced criminal penalties for prejudice-motivated violence against LGBT people.

6) WPA emphasises the need for research on and the development of evidence-based medical and social interventions that support the mental health of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals

References

1. American Psychiatric Association (1980). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (3rd edition). Washington, DC: APA.
2. American Psychiatric Association (2013). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) (5th edition). Washington, DC: APA.
3. Gates GJ (2011). How many people are lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender? Accessed March 4, 2016. Available at: http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-How-Many-People-LGBT-Apr-2011.pdf
4. Gonzales, G (2014). Same-sex marriage — a prescription for better health. New England Journal of Medicine 370: 1373-1376.
5. Hatzenbuehler ML, Keyes KM, Hasin D. (2009). State-level policies and psychiatric morbidity in lesbian, gay and bisexual populations. American Journal of Public Health, 99: 2275-2281.
6. Hatzenbuehler ML, O’Cleingh C, Grasso C, Meyer K, Safren S, Bradford J (2012). Effect of same sex marriage laws on health care use and expenditures in sexual minority men: a quasi-natural experiment. American Journal of Public Health, 102: 285-291.
7. Kalra G, Ventriglio A, Bhugra D (2015). Sexuality and mental health: issues and what next? International Review of Psychiatry, 27: 463-469.
8. Kinsey AC, Pomeroy CB, Martin CE (1948). Sexual Behavior in the Male. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press.
9. Levounis P, Drescher J, Barber ME (2012). The LGBT Casebook. Washington, DC: APA.
10. Padula William V, Heru S, Campbell JD (2015). Societal Implications of Health Insurance Coverage for Medically Necessary Services in the US Transgender Population: A Cost-Effectiveness Analysis. Journal of General Internal Medicine: 1-8.
11. Rao TSS, Jacob KS (2012). Homosexuality and India. Indian Journal of Psychiatry, 54: 1-3.
12. United Nations Human Rights Office of the High Commissioner (2012). Born Free and Equal: Sexual Orientation and Gender identity in International Human Rights Law. New York and Geneva: Office of the High Commissioner United Nations Human Rights; 2 Available from: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/.....EqualLowRes.pdf. [Last accessed on 2013 Dec 31]
13. Ventriglio A, Kalra G, Bhugra D (2016). Sexual minorities and sexual fluidity. Discussion paper (available from authors).
14. World Health Organization (WHO) (1992). International Classification of Disease 10: Classification of Behavioural and Mental Disorders. Geneva: WHO.

The writing group was led by Professor Dinesh Bhugra and constituted Drs Kristen Eckstrand (USA), Petros Levounis (USA),Anindya Kar(India), Kenneth R Javate (Philippines)
I stumble on this topic, itbis old but you can still have my view.

homo patient suffering fro mental health disorders. The term tends to be use for more severe mental illnesses, not the less severe types of psychological disorders.'Condemning and stigmatising the people involved in the act will not hep us. Rather, we should deliberate more onthe issue and think of a way to let them know that they are not well and that can be trea
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by dalaman: 7:51am On Aug 28, 2017
vaxx:
I stumble on this topic, itbis old but you can still have my view.

homo patient suffering fro mental health disorders. The term tends to be use for more severe mental illnesses, not the less severe types of psychological disorders.'Condemning and stigmatising the people involved in the act will not hep us. Rather, we should deliberate more onthe issue and think of a way to let them know that they are not well and that can be trea

How do you treat gays?
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by vaxx: 8:04am On Aug 28, 2017
dalaman:


How do you treat gays?
since it is a psychic disorder. it will be treated using the same method apply to common mental patients. using medical therapy and they will be counsel psychologically with the aid of an expert.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by dalaman: 8:11am On Aug 28, 2017
vaxx:
since it is a psychic disorder. it will be treated using the same method apply to common mental patients. using medical therapy and they will be counsel psychologically with the aid of an expert.

But you've just been presented with a paper from the World Psychiatric Association (WPA) which says there behavior is normal.

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Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by vaxx: 8:30am On Aug 28, 2017
dalaman:


But you've just been presented with a paper from the World Psychiatric Association (WPA) which says there behavior is normal.
is it certified by world health organization that is absolutely not a mental disorder. ?.well I can also present you with a paper that state otherwise. mind you I don't believe in capital punishment for them.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by dalaman: 10:30am On Aug 28, 2017
vaxx:
is it certified by world health organization that is absolutely not a mental disorder. ?.well I can also present you with a paper that state otherwise. mind you I don't believe in capital punishment for them.

What has WHO got to do with the matter? The association that deals with people's mental state all over the world (WPA) has stated that their actions are normal, yet you are here talking about WHO.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by akintom(m): 10:33am On Aug 28, 2017
vaxx:
I stumble on this topic, itbis old but you can still have my view.

homo patient suffering fro mental health disorders. The term tends to be use for more severe mental illnesses, not the less severe types of psychological disorders.'Condemning and stigmatising the people involved in the act will not hep us. Rather, we should deliberate more onthe issue and think of a way to let them know that they are not well and that can be trea
You obviously didn't read this article. Perhaps you now claim, to know what the mental health experts don't know.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by akintom(m): 10:35am On Aug 28, 2017
vaxx:
well I can also present you with a paper that state otherwise. mind you I don't believe in capital punishment for them.


Can you grace this page with such "paper"?
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by vaxx: 10:40am On Aug 28, 2017
dalaman:


What has WHO got to do with the matter? The association that deals with people's mental state all over the world (WPA) has stated that their actions are normal, yet you are here talking about WHO.

it is because, it is the only trusted agency when it comes to matter of health not WPA a subsidiary.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by vaxx: 10:41am On Aug 28, 2017
akintom:

You obviously didn't read this article. Perhaps you now claim, to know what the mental health experts don't know.
I have my evidence. so it is not my own opinions
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by dalaman: 10:42am On Aug 28, 2017
vaxx:
it is because, it is the only trusted agency when it comes to matter of health not WPA a subsidiary.

Only trusted according to who?
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by vaxx: 10:48am On Aug 28, 2017
akintom:



Can you grace this page with such "paper"?
This is a report on how it begin on how WPA arrived at that figure. .http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2011/10/08/homosexuality-the-mental-illness-that-went-away/

In 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically andsocially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance.

In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexualityfrom the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions.

This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough.

There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed. And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.

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Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by vaxx: 10:52am On Aug 28, 2017
dalaman:


Only trusted according to who?
lol I don't expect you asking this question. WHO is a standard regulated agency for health matters all over the world.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by chemystery: 11:02am On Aug 28, 2017
RosaConsidine:


Nothing wrong in not liking homosexuality. I mean, people love oats but I detest it with a passion. Doesn't mean I would advocate for all lovers of oats to be jailed, think them abnormal or start conspiracy theories that oat lovers want everyone in the world to eat oats. So long as I'm not being forced into eating it, we don't have a problem.
You said it all!
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by dalaman: 11:11am On Aug 28, 2017
vaxx:
lol I don't expect you asking this question. WHO is a standard regulated agency for health matters all over the world.


WPA is also the standard regulated agency for psychiatric and mental health matters all over the world.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by vaxx: 11:22am On Aug 28, 2017
dalaman:



WPA is also the standard regulated agency for psychiatric and mental health matters all over the world.
OK, WPA is under the supervision of WHO and likewise any other health or clinical matter. pls I can't be repeating myself. challenge it if you think it is not a psychiatric problem.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by dalaman: 11:35am On Aug 28, 2017
vaxx:
OK, WPA is under the supervision of WHO and likewise any other health or clinical matter. pls I can't be repeating myself. challenge it if you think it is not a psychiatric problem.

Challenge it how when the experts have said that it is not. Are you a psychiatrist?
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by vaxx: 11:44am On Aug 28, 2017
dalaman:


Challenge it how when the experts have said that it is not. Are you a psychiatrist?
I just provided an evidence that contradict it backing it with reasons. am a man of proof.
Re: Homosexuality: No Rational Basis For Malicious Discrimination by dalaman: 1:50pm On Aug 28, 2017
vaxx:
I just provided an evidence that contradict it backing it with reasons. am a man of proof.

Is there any scientific study that show that gays are mentally ill?

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