stagger:
Nowhere in the bible has seed sowing ever replaced the value of hard work. Seed sowing connects you to divine grace to prosper, but you have to work it out physically. Seed sowing is a complete package that involves tithing, offerings, giving to the poor, giving to parents and supporting social causes. Every Christian is expected to do all of that in a balanced manner.

Seed sowing however, connects you to Divine grace to prosper. On its own, it cannot produce wealth. Smart work which imparts value has to follow it. Those people quoting Winners here should know the effort it takes Bishop Oyedepo to write, print and publish books being sold all over the world. As someone who routinely writes more than 100,000 words in articles and research reports every month, as well as write seminar presentations and speeches for a Commissioner in my state, I can fully identify with this. It is hard work.

Even Bishop himself has once driven out someone who was praying in the church for blessing on a working day, reprimanding the person to go and get a job!

Anyone who sows seed and relaxes thinking that God is a money doubler or a counterfeiter who will rain Naira notes from heaven for any seed sown is just deceiving himself or herself.

Sow your seed, then get out there and work.

Dereformer:



You are twisting it again. hannah gave samuel because she has samuiel. She did not give samuel to receive double or tripple of samuels. That is the point Pasor Abel is trying to pass across.

Any body that tells you to give so that God will give you back is a criminal. In fact, Abel said you give because you have not because you want to receive.

A friend invited me to a church one sunday. The pastor, after preaching called for those that will God N150,000. According to him, God specifically told him that that blessings attached to the N150,000 will be received that week. He encouraged every member of the church to key into the vision even if it means borrowing.

I told my self that the pastor is a criminal.

Statsocial:
In a bid to sound politically correct we must not deviate from the truth in the word of God.

"Give and it shall be given unto you, Pressed down shaken together shall men give unto your bossom"


Seed sowing isn't just for churches by the way, you can plant seeds in orphanages or aid ministries and you would reap it back as u desire.

The only issue that I have is many churches do not preach or emphasize on Alms(for the poor and destitute) which is equally or even more important than the tithe(if the tithe is solely for church administration). There are many church groups in poor countries giving aid to the poorest and also assisting with disaster relief. E.g Jentzezen outreach for Haiti, Joyce Meyer prison outreach, James and betty Robinson outreach in South Sudan, TD jakes Megacare etc. You should sow financial seeds in these ministries and you would see what God would do for you.

However do not starve your church of your tithe-it is needed for expansion and propagation of Christ and the Christian order e.g payment of pastors(read gal 6:6), building of churches, missionary, establishment of non profit schools e.t.c

So you need to hv a financial plan that serves both ur church and the poor. Shalom

MadCow1:
All These preaching threads should be saved for Sunday.

princecool17:



The gospel is not for sunday morning, sunday morning alone !

Dereformer:


Does it make any sense to pay tithe to a chuurch that that the pastor has a private or about three cars while the payer has none?

This is a payer that has paid for over ten year and the promise of open windows of heaven never happened.

Statsocial:

I agree with you. But I don't think it was right calling him a motivational speaker. Christianity leaves room for individuality but that doesn't make him less of a pastor.

shine12:
Money-doubler Christians will start castigating him. The greatest Ponzi of the century is not Maddof, Its not even the Charles Ponzi guy himself. but hustlers like everyone else that claim to represent God and also tell them that they have a mandate to make poor men become rich. I'm a christian by the way but I do not subscribe to that version of Christianity.

The reason why we (21st century people) are better off than the peasants of the 16th century and 17th century was because man has continued to use his God given brain to explore, discover and innovate. The day we stop is the day we are doomed.

If they inform a man in 15th century that he'll have access to tap water, sit down and watch activities occurring 2,000 miles from him in his living room and that his children will be delivered in a hospital whilst telling him that to afford all that, he's only required to work for 37-40 hrs per week, He will ask you that "what drugs are you on?". All that prosperity was due to the fact that man used his brain (God given and design of course) to innovate.

Money and infrastructure et al DO NOT double because someone told you to sow without an inner conviction, buying suit or car for a man.

smartnero24:
You go to most churches and you won't hear anything meaningful except sermons about sowing seeds aggressively until it hurts you, tithes ,seed of favour, covenant seed and all sort of crap.

Was in this service and the pastor goes like "Until you sow a seed that'll make you go to rest room and cry afterwards, you're not a dangerous giver" Removes his wristwatch he claims he got for N7m and gives it to a member of the congregation on the alter apparently a co-pastor. Then people start trooping out in numbers to go sow seed, na that day I just weak. Like wtf!! Why all this charade.

They hypnotize you with psychology and rob you off your hard earned money in the name of sowing seed.

Statsocial:

Lol that one no dey work for me again o. You should read The Midas touch by hagin. Great book for any believer to be able to identify when a pastor crosses the line.

Frenchfriez:
Some morons would quickly come out and point that The Bishop in Living Faith is a testament of how seed sowing works wonders. The Nigerian xtian is the most biblically uneducated and gullible among the Christiandom.
We believe in sharp sharp miracles and all that.
Even Paul the apostle harped on the importance of hard work. If you like sow seed and dont do the needful, God cannot be mocked, he would bless those who work hard for "the lord sends rain to both the just and the wicked" (sic)

diezani:
OK I have a quick question.. does giving money to the poor multiply your money?

Dereformer:



You are twisting it again. hannah gave samuel because she has samuiel. She did not give samuel to receive double or tripple of samuels. That is the point Pasor Abel is trying to pass across.

Any body that tells you to give so that God will give you back is a criminal. In fact, Abel said you give because you have not because you want to receive.

A friend invited me to a church one sunday. The pastor, after preaching called for those that will God N150,000. According to him, God specifically told him that that blessings attached to the N150,000 will be received that week. He encouraged every member of the church to key into the vision even if it means borrowing.

I told my self that the pastor is a criminal.

class0247:



In my own opinion, Giving to spread the gospel is good but there is more blessing saving a life than giving to already rich churches. I don't think God will take your offering when you refuse to give food to someone who is dying of starvation. The greatest commandment is LOVE

diezani:


That's the question I'm asking you... assuming you have 20k , can you give 10k to those Almajiri children or to those beggars on the roadside?

diezani:
OK I have a quick question.. does giving money to the poor multiply your money?

CoCoLav:



At the time Hannah pledged Samuel, she did not have Samuel. She pledged Samuel to get Samuel.

stagger:
Nowhere in the bible has seed sowing ever replaced the value of hard work. Seed sowing connects you to divine grace to prosper, but you have to work it out physically. Seed sowing is a complete package that involves tithing, offerings, giving to the poor, giving to parents and supporting social causes. Every Christian is expected to do all of that in a balanced manner.

Seed sowing however, connects you to Divine grace to prosper. On its own, it cannot produce wealth. Smart work which imparts value has to follow it. Those people quoting Winners here should know the effort it takes Bishop Oyedepo to write, print and publish books being sold all over the world. As someone who routinely writes more than 100,000 words in articles and research reports every month, as well as write seminar presentations and speeches for a Commissioner in my state, I can fully identify with this. It is hard work.

Even Bishop himself has once driven out someone who was praying in the church for blessing on a working day, reprimanding the person to go and get a job!

Anyone who sows seed and relaxes thinking that God is a money doubler or a counterfeiter who will rain Naira notes from heaven for any seed sown is just deceiving himself or herself.

Sow your seed, then get out there and work.

class0247:


Charity begins at home. I am very sure that there are people from your extended family who can not pay their school fees or could hardly feed. You can start from there

Dereformer:



Yes, one way or the other it does. I am a living witness. And thats why I cannot stop giving to them.