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butterflylion:


From saying Christianity is strictly faith based you are now saying Christianity is not faith based alone.

All you wrote up there are simply goalposts shifting.

You say so many conflating comments you do not even know when you fall off the bang wagon.

Your case keeps getting struck out with your own hands.

You are simply shouting Christianity is a man made religion and have forgotten so quickly that with your own words you also said atheism is a man made idea.

Obviously if Christianity is man made and you ran from it to atheism which you have confessed to also being man made and then claimed that atheism is right while Christianity is wrong when you claimed that both are man made then people need to check your level of sanity because your confusion is alarmingly shocking.

Kingebukasblog take note again!

Where did I say christianity is strictly faith based? You've started making things up. The God idea is what I said is faith based.

Both christianity and atheism are man made inventions. That is a fact . Is any of them of divine origin? If yes then state it's divine origin and how it orginated divinely without human input.

BlueAngel444:


Even if I told you, or went as far as taking you, would you even recognise Him and by what standard would you validate my claim

Just tell me where he is and tell me how I will be able to recognize and know that it's him and differentiate it from some other phenomenon. It's very simple . How were you able to know God and also diffrentiate it from other phenomenon?

another thread derailed

dalaman:


Where did I say christianity is strictly faith based? You've started making things up. The God idea is what I said is faith based.

Both christianity and atheism are man made inventions. That is a fact Is any of them of divine origin? If yes then state it's divine origin and how it orginated divinely without human input.

Once again he does it. Such a confused fellow

You said the God idea is from man and when I asked for evidence you shifted goal posts to the bible as a book and not the God idea. You then tried to say since the bible was written by men that is your proof of the God idea being from men.

I told you that a book is different from the idea which every right thinking person knows except you for obvious reasons.

Now right here you say It's of divine origin so cannot be proven but I thought you first said it was a man made idea so how come it is now of divine origin?

Plus right here you said its of divine origin even though you also in confusion claimed it is man made yet attributed man to being the one who fostered the divine when man has no divine traits in him as you an atheist claims. So where did these divine thoughts then come from since man isn't divine and empirically has no links to the divine (according to you atheists)?

Make up your mind already! Each one of your comments are stakes to your own heart.

You need to learn to first read your comments, then compare them to your previous comments, make sure they do not cancel out each other before you click the submit button.

@dalaman, you shouldn't have engaged these bigots . total waste of time.

It's funny when people think that the totality of their own perception of reality is superior to that of another.

dalaman:


Just tell me where he is and tell me how I will be able to recognize and know that it's him and differentiate it from some other phenomenon. It's very simple . How were you able to know God and also diffrentiate it from other phenomenon?

I searched for Him with all my heart


But



I did not find Him



He found me.

He sees all things, flesh and blood cannot reveal Him to you, He knows the intent of your heart and if your He's, He will find you when it's time

To recognise Him when He reveals Himself to you, you must study the Torah not as a story but as an investigation to discover His nature. By watching someone you get glimpses of who they are,

Rule 1. God is love
Rule 2. God is holy
Rule 3. You have no idea what rule 1 or 2 mean, even by definition except by encounter (job, Isaiah testify of this)

Be prepared to lose yourself for Him to reveal Himself to you.

You must have Self-control and be Humbly (it will feel so much like a fast and your heart not even your body is breaking apart.

Without these His fearful presence will consume, He HATES PRIDE

Boderline:
@dalaman, you shouldn't have engaged these bigots . total waste of time.

It's funny when people think that the totality of their own perception of reality is superior to that of another.

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Boderline:
@dalaman, you shouldn't have engaged these bigots . total waste of time.

It's funny when people think that the totality of their own perception of reality is superior to that of another.

You must have the brain of a pea. Who ever said our perception of reality is superior to anyone? Are theists the one who go around calling everyone who do not agree with their worldview deluded?

Bigotry is at the very heart of atheism. You are so intolerant so much so that you hunger and thirst after religious threads and can never look away.

Yet you come here to speak of bigotry. Abeg carry your pea sized brain and reasoning waka.

See waste of space calling others waste of time. Your time is already being wasted by sitting on Nairaland all day every day to debate what you have accepted does not exist so how can anyone be wasting Your Own time for you when you are doing so seamlessly by yourselves.

butterflylion:



Once again he does it. Such a confused fellow

You said the God idea is from man and when I asked for evidence you shifted goal posts to the bible as a book and not the God idea. You then tried to say since the bible was written by men that is your proof of the God idea being from men.

I said God is a man made idea and gave my evidence. You refused to accept it am insisted that I should provide you with pictures and dates as if you accepted pictures and dates before believing in the God idea. I just gave you a standard example using the bible. A book that is completely a human book which you believe is a divine book as example to show you that your religion and the book you call the word of God is nothing but the work of men.

I told you that a book is different from the idea which every right thinking person knows except you for obvious reasons.

So the bible is different from the Jesus is God idea? What guides you as a christian and where do you get your instructions as a christian. Is it through the bible or from Jesus Himself?

Now right here you say It's of divine origin so cannot be proven but I thought you first said it was a man made idea so how come it is now of divine origin?

What did I say is of divine origin and can not be proven. You've started telling lies abi? What did I say is of divine origin and can not be proven. Tell me pls.

[Plus right here you said its of divine origin even though you also in confusion claimed it is man made yet attributed man to being the one who fostered the divine when man has no divine traits in him as you an atheist claims. So where did these divine thoughts then come from since man isn't divine and empirically has no links to the divine (according to you atheists)?

What did I say is of divine origin because I don't know or understand what you are talking about. Where and when did I say anythingis of divine origin? Lie lie don dey smell.

Make up your mind already! Each one of your comments are stakes to your own heart.

You need to learn to first read your comments, then compare them to your previous comments, make sure they do not cancel out each other before you click the submit button.

You need to show me that you understand my comments. Begin by showing me where I said anything is of divine origin.

dalaman:


Where did I say christianity is strictly faith based? You've started making things up. The God idea is what I said is faith based.

Both christianity and atheism are man made inventions. That is a fact . Is any of them of divine origin? If yes then state it's divine origin and how it orginated divinely without human input.

The pagans were the first to call those who were like Christ, Christians, because of their message and way of life

Without human input, simply. From before the beginning was the God was made the beginning by speaking it into existence and therefore setting the course of time from its on set.

God Spoke- Bang all things began.

God spoke a word and that very word manifested

If you can believe that man just came to be, why then find it difficult to accept the self origin of God, if not that denying Him makes you your own god, ruled by your flesh.


The Word became flesh, it never started with a man, not even Abraham, not moses nor Adam. It began with God.

He spoke Himself into existence,

He used His own arm to bring about his purposes

God does it, as it pleases Him

God told the very first woman, Eve, a woman would bear salvation and from that day for four thousand years ALL nations waited for His appearance

He fulfilled His word to redeem man, the lamb was slain even before the world began

BlueAngel444:


I searched for Him with all my heart


But



I did not find Him



He found me.

He sees all things, flesh and blood cannot reveal Him to you, He knows the intent of your heart and if your He's, He will find you when it's time

To recognise Him when He reveals Himself to you, you must study the Torah not as a story but as an investigation to discover His nature. By watching someone you get glimpses of who they are,

Rule 1. God is love
Rule 2. God is holy
Rule 3. You have no idea what rule 1 or 2 mean, even by definition except by encounter (job, Isaiah testify of this)

Be prepared to lose yourself for Him to reveal Himself to you.

You must have Self-control and be Humbly (it will feel so much like a fast and your heart not even your body is breaking apart.

Without these His fearful presence will consume, He HATES PRIDE

My goodness. .

You are DELUDED and I seriously mean it.

What am.I to do with all the puerile nonsne you typed up there?

So I must study the Torah before God reveals Himself to me?

My friend said I should study the Koran to know God's true nature and final revelation and message to mankind. Why is he wrong and why are you right?

BlueAngel444:


The pagans were the first to call those who were like Christ, Christians, because of their message and way of life

Without human input, simply. From before the beginning was the God was made the beginning by speaking it into existence and therefore setting the course of time from its on set.

God Spoke- Bang all things began.

God spoke a word and that very word manifested

If you can believe that man just came to be, why then find it difficult to accept the self origin of God, if not that denying Him makes you your own god, ruled by your flesh.


The Word became flesh, it never started with a man, not even Abraham, not moses nor Adam. It began with God.

He spoke Himself into existence,

He used His own arm to bring about his purposes

God does it, has it pleases Him

God told the very first woman, Eve, a woman would bear salvation and from that day for four thousand years ALL nations waited for His appearance

Pls go and park somewhere and leave me alone. You are an indoctrinated robot. You can't even reason for yourself. So the first woman that existed is Eve abi? I cry for you if you are an African. Mumu.

dalaman:


I said God is a man made idea and gave my evidence. You refused to accept it am insisted that I should provide you with pictures and dates as if you accepted pictures and dates before believing in the God idea. I just gave you a standard example using the bible. A book that is completely a human book which you believe is a divine book as example to show you that your religion and the book you call the word of God is nothing but the work of men.



So the bible is different from the Jesus is God idea? What guides you as a christian and where do you get your instructions as a christian. Is it through the bible or from Jesus Himself?



What did I say is of divine origin and can not be proven. You've started telling lies abi? What did I say is of divine origin and can not be proven. Tell me pls.



What did I say is of divine origin because I don't know or understand what you are talking about. Where and when did I say anythingis of divine origin? Lie lie don dey smell.



You need to show me that you understand my comments. Begin by showing me where I said anything is of divine origin.

You need to show you understand your own comments before you ask someone else to help you do so because you obviously do not check yourself when you type and post. You simply type anywhere belle face.

FYI you claim that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence as an atheist right? So I have the right to reject your version of what you term as "evidence" and demand what I feel would be satisfactory which I did by demanding for pictures, names and dates. Did I ask for too much from someone who claimed that God is of human construct? Surely for you to believe that as an atheist you must have gotten empirical proof to this effect or is atheism no longer proof driven?

Are you suffering from selective atheism?

Again you conclude that "I believe the bible is divine ". Says who? You? The Bible as a book is not divine. I am sure when you were a Christian you were among those who would sleep with the bible under your pillow believing that the book holds the power to save you.


Lying and goalpost shifting is nothing to you so why am I not surprised?


I think you need to read the question again so sense can fall on you

Plus right here you said its of divine origin even though you also in confusion claimed it is man made yet attributed man to being the one who fostered the divine when man has no divine traits in him as you an atheist claims. So where did these divine thoughts then come from since man isn't divine and empirically has no links to the divine (according to you atheists)?

Analyse each line and only respond when you have understood it.

butterflylion:



You must have the brain of a pea. Who ever said our perception of reality is superior to anyone? Are theists the one who go around calling everyone who do not agree with their worldview deluded?

Bigotry is at the very heart of atheism. You are so intolerant so much so that you hunger and thirst after religious threads and can never look away.

Yet you come here to speak of bigotry. Abeg carry your pea sized brain and reasoning waka.

See waste of space calling others waste of time. Your time is already being wasted by sitting on Nairaland all day every day to debate what you have accepted does not exist so how can anyone be wasting Your Own time for you when you are doing so seamlessly by yourselves.

Felixmumu. I always knew this was your alt moniker.

dalaman:


Felixmumu. I always knew this was your alt moniker.

Am I no longer 4evergod? Now I am Felixomor?

Your confusion keeps escalating same as your comments.

butterflylion:



You must have the brain of a pea.....

lol smh. You know, I was once like you, always arguing and insulting other people because of this 'god' or 'no god' palava. But I outgrew that. I hope you do too, so that you can experience the kind of hapiness and freedom that I do now, the one that has enabled me to ignore the insult to my pea-sized brain . I don't participate in meaningless confrontations. sayonara.

dalaman:


My goodness. .

You are DELUDED and I seriously mean it.

What am.I to do with all the puerile nonsne you typed up there?

So I must study the Torah before God reveals Himself to me?

My friend said I should study the Koran to know God's true nature and final revelation and message to mankind. Why is he wrong and why are you right?

You asked how you would know Him (if he reveals himself to you, how do identify him)

Don't sound like a self righteous pharisee looking for a way to spite

I didnt say depend on the Torah, there are others books in the bible has well, but using the oldest one that is well preserved is important.

If you want to use the Koran, by all means go ahead but know this EVERY WRITING about God by any man has errors. But the same thing applies KNOW HIS TRUE NATURE

See one thing I learnt there were never books but people still meant God.

There are Muslims who read the Koran believed in God's Word Jesus died and are in peace now

Prostitutes, murders, liars, thieves men judge the flesh God judges the heart

If you still don't understand examples you can relate with, how will you comprehend the basics things of God who is far beyond your reasoning

Boderline:


lol smh. You know, I was once like you, always arguing and insulting other people because of this 'god' or 'no god' palava. But I outgrew that. I hope you do too, so that you can experience the kind of hapiness and freedom that I do now, the one that has enabled me to ignore the insult to my pea-sized brain . I don't participate in meaningless confrontations. sayonara.

Hahahahahahahaha he says he "outgrew"!

Oh thou deluded soul, wake up and truly outgrow what you claim to have outgrown.

Stop lying to yourself.

BlueAngel444:


You asked how you would know Him (if he reveals himself to you, how do identify him)

Don't sound like a self righteous pharisee looking for a way to spite

I didnt say depend on the Torah, there are others books in the bible has well, but using the oldest one that is well preserved is important.

If you want to use the Koran, by all means go ahead but know this EVERY WRITING about God by any man has errors. But the same thing applies KNOW HIS TRUE NATURE

See one thing I learnt there were never books but people still meant God.

There are Muslims who read the Koran believed in God's Word Jesus died and are in peace now

Prostitutes, murders, liars, thieves men judge the flesh God judges the heart

If you still don't understand examples you can relate with, how will you comprehend the basics things of God who is far beyond your reasoning

He will ask you for "his version" of evidence but refuses to give others their own version.

dalaman:


Pls go and park somewhere and leave me alone. You are an indoctrinated robot. You can't even reason for yourself. So the first woman that existed is Eve abi? I cry for you if you are an African. Mumu.

In Africa a bastard is one who doesn't know his father.

I have told you my origin, tell me yours.

Define your existence, since you reason for yourself what is your conclusion as to your origin

While you at it proof that the day you believe you were born is the actual day you were born.

When your done, realise the foolish you speak of.


You portray your 'wisdom' in that God isnt real because it's told to you by a man.

Then your name isn't real, your probably adopted, maybe a science experiment or you brain chemically ultered. You probably don't even exist and all you see are lies.

Maybe we are just bots in the matrix system you've been born and trapped in to believe this is all there is to you.

Do you even have a certain belief, or you don't believe at all

butterflylion:



Yqqqou need to show you understand your own comments before you ask someone else to help you do so because you obviously do not check yourself when you type and post. You simply type anywhere belle face.

FYI you claim that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence as an atheist right? So I have the right to reject your version of what you term as "evidence" and demand what I feel would be satisfactory which I did by demanding for pictures, names and dates. Did I ask for too much from someone who claimed that God is of human construct? Surely for you to believe that as an atheist you must have gotten empirical proof to this effect or is atheism no longer proof driven?

If only you showed me the pictures and tangible evidence you were provided with before believing in God only then will I accept that you deserve the type of evidence you are requesting for. I reject and refuse to provide it on the groundsthat you do not deserve it because you werent provided with any such evidence before you believed. You wdream simply indoctrinated.

Are you suffering from selective atheism?

Again you conclude that "I believe the bible is divine ". Says who? You? The Bible as a book is not divine. I am sure when you were a Christian you were among those who would sleep with the bible under your pillow believing that the book holds the power to save you.


Lying and goalpost shifting is nothing to you so why am I not surprised?

So your claim that I said the bible is divine is based on your assumptions abi? So you don't believe that the bible is a divine book. If it is a man made book like any other book as I claimed then why are you yapping? If it isn't divine and is man made then all it's stories and everything is man made.

BlueAngel444:


In Africa a bastard is one who doesn't know his father.

I have told you my origin, tell me yours.

Define your existence, since you reason for yourself what is your conclusion as to your origin

While you at it proof that the day you believe you were born is the actual day you were born.

When your done, realise the foolish you speak of.


You portray your 'wisdom' in that God isnt real because it's told to you by a man.

Then your name isn't real, your probably adopted, maybe a science experiment or you brain chemically ultered. You probably don't even exist and all you see are lies.

Maybe we are just bots in the matrix system you've been born and trapped in to believe this is all there is to you.

Do you even have a certain belief, or you don't believe at all

He has a belief! It's called Mental Roaming!

butterflylion:



He will ask you for "his version" of evidence but refuses to give others their own version.

He think he is speaking with someone who has just heard of God. He just met someone who has met God

dalaman:


Felixmumu. I always knew this was your alt moniker.

Eiya, At last you have manifested your foolishness in A very large way!

BlueAngel444:


In Africa a bastard is one who doesn't know his father.

I have told you my origin, tell me yours.

Define your existence, since you reason for yourself what is your conclusion as to your origin

While you at it proof that the day you believe you were born is the actual day you were born.

When your done, realise the foolish you speak of.


You portray your 'wisdom' in that God isnt real because it's told to you by a man.

Then your name isn't real, your probably adopted, maybe a science experiment or you brain chemically ultered. You probably don't even exist and all you see are lies.

Maybe we are just bots in the matrix system you've been born and trapped in to believe this is all there is to you.

Do you even have a certain belief, or you don't believe at all

You've told me your origin how? By insisting I accept Jewish mythology and fiction?

Why will an all powerful God that wants me to know about it amd start a personal relationship with it depend on you to tell me about it and how to go about it. Pls explain it to me. All I asked you was to tell me where God is and you started crying.

butterflylion:



He has a belief! It's called Mental Roaming!

A delusional state. No wonder in the bible it's written a fool says in his heart their is no God.

He isn't forced to believe that, he just feels proud having brought himself without any help to such conclusions.

The convince themselves

I HAVE THE HOLY GHOST THAT CONVINCES ME

felixomor:


Eiya, At last you have manifested your foolishness in A very large way!

You'll soon be exposed. Enjoy it while it last but I assure you that you'll soon be exposed.

dalaman:


You'll soon be exposed. Enjoy it while it last but I assure you that you'll soon be exposed.

Oh so its no longer me ba?

Gerrarahia

dalaman:


If only you showed me the pictures and tangible evidence you were provided with before believing in God only then will I accept that you deserve the type of evidence you are requesting for. I reject and refuse to provide it on the groundsthat you do not deserve it because you werent provided with any such evidence before you believed. You wdream simply indoctrinated.



So your claim that I said the bible is divine is based on your assumptions abi? So you don't believe that the bible is a divine book. If it is a man made book like any other book as I claimed then why are you yapping? If it isn't divine and is man made then all it's stories and everything is man made.

*face palm* so much idiocy in one person.

I will ask you again. What has my belief got to do with your claim? When you made your claim did you first ask me for my belief? If somebody showed me pictures or not how does that affect your claim after all your claim is a counter to whatever pictures I was shown or not shown. How do they even have anything in common??

Going by your logic Since you also claim not to have any empirical evidence to back up your claim I can also say you were indoctrinated into atheism can I not?

You see why I say you are confused? Let me post my comment again

Again you conclude that "I believe the bible is divine ". Says who? You? The Bible as a book is not divine. I am sure when you were a Christian you were among those who would sleep with the bible under your pillow believing that the book holds the power to save you

.

How on earth can you relate a book with an idea? First you were on about an idea and now you are sitting on a book? Are you this daft?

Are you so blind not to know that the idea is different from the book? Before the book there was something that caused the idea. So which is of more value? That which caused the idea or the idea or the book?

At this point It is obvious you are in a deep poo of confusion.

BlueAngel444:


A delusional state. No wonder in the bible it's written a fool says in his heart their is no God.

He isn't forced to believe that, he just feels proud having brought himself without any help to such conclusions.

The convince themselves

I HAVE THE HOLY GHOST THAT CONVINCES ME

. This one na nut case. Use the holy ghost to convince us na. What are you waiting for? You have the holy Ghost which you believe is part of God in you, yet you cant even formulate clear arguments. Mumu!

felixomor:


Oh so its no longer me ba?

Gerrarahia

Now I am no longer you but see him declaring you will soon be exposed after he "exposed me as you" already.

The guy has gone full zombie on himself.