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Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Pekun210(m): 10:22am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Praying for the dead expecially during funeral service is very common and heb 9 vs 27 says everyone has to die once and then face the consequences. So if their fate is sealed already why do we still pray for them? And besides will God answers such prayer? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by SweetBoyFriend(m): 10:43am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Who is gone is already gone Even if heaven and hell does exist, your prayers wouldn't make God (if he really exists) change his mind Religion fuccked everything up Funeral is a time of mourning, respect and seeing the dead before he/she is buried and never to be seen again and not a time of making noise and disturbing people who are mourning with your sermon and Bible verses 19 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Amosjaj(m): 10:43am On Aug 20, 2017 |
I'm still busy praying for my self, can't believe you just ask about the dead. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by buygala(m): 10:43am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Something has to be done to justify the consumption of drinks and food at the funeral ![]() If you don't go through the stress of singing funeral hymns, listening to funeral sermons, crying a bit and blowing your nose once in a while, especially when the corpse arrives the venue, and mumbling something when the corpse goes down into the hole, why then will you feel entitled to the funeral Jolof rice and Coke? ![]() 23 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by omar10mustafa(m): 10:43am On Aug 20, 2017 |
First to comment. Big shout out |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by RELAN2446(m): 10:44am On Aug 20, 2017 |
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Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Donshemzy1234: 10:44am On Aug 20, 2017 |
I'll rather pray for the living dead. E.g Buhari. 10 Likes |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Queenext: 10:45am On Aug 20, 2017 |
After death comes judgment, so why pray? No repentance in grave |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Integrityfarms(m): 10:45am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Very futile and worthless actions, we only pray for the living |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Isaacenie: 10:45am On Aug 20, 2017 |
It is a futile effort. No prayer can change anything about the dead |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Foreveryouandme: 10:46am On Aug 20, 2017 |
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Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Eazybay(m): 10:46am On Aug 20, 2017 |
There's argument FOR and AGAINST. |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by hopefulLandlord: 10:46am On Aug 20, 2017 |
prayer is useless for the living too, let alone a dead body Nothing fails like prayer You would have the same success praying to a milk jug as you do praying to god -- the milk jug sometimes answers your prayer the way you want to, sometimes not and sometimes the answer is delayed. See the problem here? If things turn out the way you want them to, you say it was because you prayed. If not, it's because god knows what's best and you didn't pray for the right thing. Or, if it happens 10 years later you say god answered your prayer, it was just delayed. This is nonsense. You would have the exact same effect doing nothing. 15 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by amclimax(m): 10:47am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Prayers are for the living remember we are born to die.... |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by ybalogs(m): 10:48am On Aug 20, 2017 |
What you've done will be the only thing that counts. Praying for the dead is just a culture we find hard to discard. |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Pavore9: 10:48am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Donshemzy1234: Ironically, many who seemed healthier than Bulgari have passed on in the last 3 months as no one is promised tomorrow. 16 Likes |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Mavrick2012: 10:48am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Eschatological fallacies every where. Simple logic: if we can't remember ever existing before we were born, how come we so sure we will "eternally" have memories and consciousness after death? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by avalontony(m): 10:49am On Aug 20, 2017 |
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Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by rejosom(m): 10:49am On Aug 20, 2017 |
shalom! Prayer: That exercise that only affects the one praying. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the one being prayed to living or dead. So if you like pray for the living, the dead, the unborn, the inanimate or whatever only you is listening. 2 Likes |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Nobody: 10:50am On Aug 20, 2017 |
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Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by walls01: 10:51am On Aug 20, 2017 |
one of the many traditions of men |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Omede2u2(m): 10:51am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Am lookinq forward to raise the dead Jesus said i hv come so that ye may have Life . We have passed from death to Life He that believes in me greater works shall ye do. 3 Likes |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Akin1212(m): 10:51am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Absolutely futile without questions. |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Nobody: 10:52am On Aug 20, 2017 |
They have started again this Sunday. Time to bash Catholics abi? If you gather round the graves during a burial and say any prayer, you are already praying for the dead so we all do. God hears it and the souls of the departed are comforted when you pray for them. Not all sins should lead to hell. Our God is just as compassionate as he is Awesome. 15 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by HERSLEY(f): 10:53am On Aug 20, 2017 |
No |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by Nobody: 10:53am On Aug 20, 2017 |
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Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by ziggyzee: 10:53am On Aug 20, 2017 |
Spiritual placebo |
Re: Can You Pray For The Dead? Is It A Futile Effort? by wunmi590(m): 10:54am On Aug 20, 2017 |
From my Catholic point of view, The earliest Scriptural reference to prayers for the dead comes in the second book of Maccabees. The books of Maccabees were among the latest written books found in the Old Testament. They recount the struggle of the Jewish people for freedom against the Seleucid Empire, around 100-200 years before the birth of Christ. They are written from an Orthodox Jewish point of view. The second book of Maccabees tells how Judas Maccabee, the Jewish leader, led his troops into battle in 163 B.C. When the battle ended he directed that the bodies of those Jews who had died be buried. As soldiers prepared their slain comrades for burial, they discovered that each was wearing an amulet taken as booty from a pagan Temple. This violated the law of Deuteronomy and so Judas and his soldiers prayed that God would forgive the sin these men had committed (II Maccabees 12:39-45). This is the first indication in the Bible of a belief that prayers offered by the living can help free the dead from any sin that would separate them from God in the life to come. It is echoed in the New Testament when Paul offers a prayer for a man named Onesiphorus who had died: “May the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that day”(II Timothy 1:18). The cavelike tombs under the city of Rome, which we call catacombs, bear evidence that members of the Roman Christian community gathered there to pray for their fellow followers of Christ who lay buried there. By the fourth century prayers for the dead are mentioned in Christian literature as though they were already a longstanding custom. The practice of praying for the dead is rooted first in Christian belief in the everlasting life promised in Jesus’ teachings and foreshadowed by his disciple’s experience that God had raised him from the dead. After death, even though separated from our earthly body, we yet continue a personal existence. It is as living persons that God invites us into a relationship whose life transcends death. Praying for the dead has further origins in our belief in the communion of saints. Members of this community who are living often assist each other in faith by prayers and other forms of spiritual support. Christians who have died continue to be members of the communion of saints. We believe that we can assist them by our prayers, and they can assist us by theirs. Our prayers for the dead begin at the moment of death. Often family members will gather in prayer around the bedside of the person who has died. The Order of Christian Funerals includes a Vigil Service for the deceased, which can be held in the home, in the church, or in a funeral home chapel, the funeral Mass and the Rite of Committal (which generally takes place at the burial site). The prayers express hope that God will free the person who has died from any burden of sin and prepare a place for him or her in heaven. Death remains a mystery for us–a great unknown. Yet Christian language evokes a hopeful imagination in the presence of death, an assurance that our love, linked to Christ’s love, can help bridge whatever barriers might keep those whom we love from fully enjoying the presence of a loving and life-giving God. cc: Optional1 and other catholic faithful 25 Likes 1 Share |
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