AbuUthaymeen:
2. NOT HAVING SEX STILL KEEPS THE SPERM ALIVE. 3. MASTURBATION, WITHDRAWAL METHOD KILLS AND WASTE THE SPERM.. its absolutely same as killing..coz sperm does have life

This is what happens when you don't know basic science.

The sperms in the body after a period breaks down. when you have wet dreams just know you've killed about 1 million children. Because even when it's ejaculated into a woman only 1 does the job the remaining 5million or more sperm cells die in the process.

Ssthorm:


Lol.. u got me wrong, wat i was sayn was, Quran goes in tandem wt science facts,Nywaiz i neva tot u were anti-science bt now i understnd ur views..may Allah deepen us in knowledge n understndng. Ameen

There is no need having an intellectual argument with him. I posted the hadiths for references. It obviously talks about qadr and everyone knows withdrawal method isn't 100% percent safe.

apart from matters of ibadah everything is halal until proven haram. It's his duty to prove without doubt it's haram. So far so good the hadiths quoted didn't clearly state haram. If he had said it's highly disliked that would have been understood.

I haven't read sahabas who had plenty plenty children oh. Like we see now a days. As in sahabas with one woman giving birth to 12-15 children. Because that's what will happen if it's completely haram. Especially with the polygamous men we should be reading about 30-40 children per household

He calls anyone who disagrees with him a kuffar. Extremism on another level.

Mohdkabiru:
Mr. Moderator, I kindly request you, if you can delete this thread, to avoid too many controversy I shall appreciate it. Thus I have learnt a lot from this thread. Thank you for your anticipated response.

It's Mrs moderator, and nope threads don't get closed just because people have different views.

Sissie:


There is no need having an intellectual argument with him. I posted the hadiths for references. It obviously talks about qadr and everyone knows withdrawal method isn't 100% percent safe.

apart from matters of ibadah everything is halal until proven haram. It's his duty to prove without doubt it's haram. So far so good the hadiths quoted didn't clearly state haram. If he had said it's highly disliked that would have been understood.

I haven't read sahabas who had plenty plenty children oh. Like we see now a days. As in sahabas with one woman giving birth to 12-15 children. Because that's what will happen if it's completely haram. Especially with the polygamous men we should be reading about 30-40 children per household

Lol.. ds is soo true,another way to think about it, dey reely ddnt have many many children

Why isnt anyone posting bukhari 52010 and muslim 1442? am suprised non of you quote the hadiths that said withdrawal is haram and its same as killing. . .. if u like do family planning, if you like dont. .its absolutely your problem ... @sisie ..nice argument u put up with ALLAH in that hadith. lol.. u think its me u arguing with? na we write hadith abi? ehn se wet dream na intentional act ni. . its masturbation that is haram. . @Ssthrom .. i am not against science..its wonderful..what i am against is for anybody to be using scientific findings to reject what it's in quran or hadith.. @sisie ..you can lie o..any0ne with different view as mine is a kafir? when l quote quran and hadith..dats my idea abi, na me write quran and hadith abi? and u will hold different view fr0m ALLAH and rasul verdict about islam matters and you not a kafir abi? tshew. .nonsense. just 1 hadith said it was allowed,Some hadith talks about qadr which is also saying we shouldnt do withdrawal.. .quote hadith 5210(Bukari).1442(musl)rmp

Laughing. . sahabah do have many children. . . rasul said we should have many children because he would use us(our numbers) to be proud @ judgement day . . . . he practically encourage us to have lots of kid , . .qenhdg