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How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 8:02pm On Aug 31, 2017
I was just browsing this afternoon and this idea came to me. The ideas are

Well, lemme call this girl, lifeispeace. Okay, she's a good friend, I once made fun of her sometime ago.


To business

Does this prove God?

Premise 1
An animate object gives birth to other animate object

Premise 2
An inanimate object results in other inanimate object

Premise 3
An animate object can not give birth to/reproduce an inanimate object and viceversa (an inanimate object can not reproduce an animate object) Hahn

Premise 4
The universe is an inanimate object

Conclusion 1

Since the universe is an inanimate object, it cannot produce another animate object. (Premise 3 and 4)

Conclusion 2

If there exist a universe that has life that could produce life which could be an animate object, He shall be called God. (Premise 1)

Conclusion 3

If I am alive, and another being created me with his own kind,(goat gives birth to goat; rat gives birth to rat and on and on)

Conclusion 4

Then, I am a type of the animate object, that has life. (Premise 1)


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Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by JackBizzle: 8:08pm On Aug 31, 2017


Nonsense upon nonsense. Non sequitur. It does not follow.
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 8:16pm On Aug 31, 2017
JackBizzle:

Nonsense upon nonsense. Non sequitur. It does not follow.
which part
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by chemystery: 1:54am On Sep 01, 2017
Humans are made up of organs. Organs are made up of tissues. Tissues are made up of cells. And cells are made up of atoms and molecules which in themselves aren't alive (inanimate). So we're basically living things (animate) made up of non-living things (inanimate).
- A case of inanimate resulting to animate

Also when we die, we are given off away to become part of the constituent of the soil and atmosphere.
- A case of animate resulting to inanimate

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Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by 0temAtum: 3:33am On Sep 01, 2017
chemystery:
Humans are made up of organs. Organs are made up of tissues. Tissues are made up of cells. And cells are made up of atoms and molecules which in themselves aren't alive (inanimate). So we're basically living things (animate) made up of non-living things (inanimate).
- A case of inanimate resulting to animate

Also when we die, we are given off away to become part of the constituent of the soil and atmosphere.
- A case of animate resulting to inanimate
wa sere joor. Your head dey there.

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Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 8:07am On Sep 01, 2017
chemystery:
Humans are made up of organs. Organs are made up of tissues. Tissues are made up of cells. And cells are made up of atoms and molecules which in themselves aren't alive (inanimate). So we're basically living things (animate) made up of non-living things (inanimate).
- A case of inanimate resulting to animate

Also when we die, we are given off away to become part of the constituent of the soil and atmosphere.
- A case of animate resulting to inanimate


Loooooool. So at creation, lemme reverse the order you listed them and let's see how you will spin it again Genius


I really find this your response illogical.

Well, felixomor, bennyann, kingebukasblog, mrpresident1, asuustrike2009 come and explain the impossibility in what this guy is saying

He's literally saying, atoms and molecules formed cells, but this site with many views by the ape descendants claim cells cannot survive outside
a body without being cultured, so, naturally, if big bang happened and after some time, without culture a nutrition, it dies, oooooooh, poor big bang is dead and gone to the grave before it became a tissue, or the same thing with the tissue and its chances of surviving, before it became an organ, no culturing, no nutrition, the body parts are not complete yet, MR NIGER D, not fully in place and you mean the survived all those stages.

Even the Holy Spirit is embarrassed by the way you reason. I thought you guys love logic, this is one, deal with it, and don't quote me, moreso, either you go back to church and get saved or DONT BLAME GOD IF YOU WIND UP IN HELL, because of your dumb excuses

www.scienceforums.net/topic/34240-can-a-human-cell-exist-independent-of-the-rest-of-the-body-answere cells

www.nairaland.com/3881592/dont-blame-god-wind-up
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by felixomor: 8:43am On Sep 01, 2017
Hier:



Loooooool. So at creation, lemme reverse the order you listed them and let's see how you will spin it again Genius


I really find this your response illogical.

Well, felixomor, bennyann, kingebukasblog, mrpresident1, asuustrike2009 come and explain the impossibility in what this guy is saying

He's literally saying, atoms and molecules formed cells, but this site with many views by the ape descendants claim cells cannot survive outside
a body without being cultured, so, naturally, if big bang happened and after some time, without culture a
nutrition, it dies, oooooooh, poor big bang is dead and gone to the grave before it became a tissue, or the same thing with the tissue and its chances of surviving, before it became an organ, no culturing, no nutrition, the body parts are not complete yet, MR NIGER D, not fully in place and you mean the survived all those stages.

Even the Holy Spirit is embarrassed by the way you reason. I thought you guys love logic, this is one, deal with it, and don't quote me, moreso, either you go back to church and get saved or DONT BLAME GOD IF YOU WIND UP IN HELL, because of your dumb excuses

www.scienceforums.net/topic/34240-can-a-human-cell-exist-independent-of-the-rest-of-the-body-answere cells

www.nairaland.com/3881592/dont-blame-god-wind-up
Thanks

Just look at how the small knowledge of biology you put up there easily defeats what many of them atheists stand on.

My brother, Logic is the biggest enemy of the atheist.

Thats why many of them run away from it.

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Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 9:11am On Sep 01, 2017
felixomor:

Thanks

Just look at how the small knowledge of biology you put up there easily defeats what many of them atheists stand on.

My brother, Logic is the biggest enemy of the atheist.

Thats why many of them run away from it.

I stand up and call you Yes Boss, thanks Boss.

I really feel for them many times

We using carnal to judge carnal

1 Corinthians 2:13-16

13 These things we also speak, not in words. man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy d Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?” e But we have the mind of Christ.

I think probably by new birth that my mind is the mind of Christ. Loooooool,

cc lalasticlala
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by YahwehPenis: 9:28am On Sep 01, 2017
The joy sticks of the spirits are nine, they are Porn, Joy, Piss, Longjoystick, pornishment, nudeness, Cum and nipplles, pornstars, against such there is no Lord. Galatians 5:22
If any man don't possess these joy sticks he will go to hell fire.

I am Yahweh Pennis.
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 9:31am On Sep 01, 2017
They invented logic, the logic would eat them up now unless they just don't want to become theist, but the word atheist or atheism won't make sense to them anymore after seeing this, they will realise, atheism is a delusion, they have always claimed we are. Lemme stop there.

The truth be told, God would always forgive you like He did to the prodigal son. Felixomor, please, help me paste the parable of the prodigal son here, bye, would miss you

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Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by hopefulLandlord: 9:35am On Sep 01, 2017
Hier:
They invented logic, the logic would eat them up now unless they just don't want to become theist, but the word atheist or atheism won't make sense to them anymore after seeing this, they will realise, atheism is a delusion, they have always claimed we are. Lemme stop there.

The truth be told, God would always forgive you like He did to the prodigal son. Felixomor, please, help me paste the parable of the prodigal son here, bye, would miss you

I think you're giving yourself too much credit here bro

how does OP if being true make (Christian) theism true?

mind you, before you commit strawman, I'm not arguing against OP, I'm asking how if your OP is correct automatically make (Christian) theism true

don't backtrack on this post of yours now, defend it

your mistake is that you just argued for a deist god at best and are somehow so elated with it that you crashed and burned like Icarus when he flew too close to the sun in ecstasy forgetting his wings is made of wax

I'll hazard a guess that you just recently got to know there are atheists and you're passionate about proving them wrong so you post every eureka moment you have here

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Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 9:41am On Sep 01, 2017
the yahwehp dude is caught in the trap too. Loooooool, this is good trap. I will say his logic will never remain the same. My spiritual father, Revd Goke Ogunleye always say, The best form of deliverance is from the skull, that's why Jesus has to die in field of Skull - Golgotha. I dedicate this thread to him.
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by chemystery: 9:56am On Sep 01, 2017
Hier:



Loooooool. So at creation, lemme reverse the order you listed them and let's see how you will spin it again Genius


I really find this your response illogical.

Well, felixomor, bennyann, kingebukasblog, mrpresident1, asuustrike2009 come and explain the impossibility in what this guy is saying

He's literally saying, atoms and molecules formed cells, but this site with many views by the ape descendants claim cells cannot survive outside
a body without being cultured, so, naturally, if big bang happened and after some time, without culture a nutrition, it dies, oooooooh, poor big bang is dead and gone to the grave before it became a tissue, or the same thing with the tissue and its chances of surviving, before it became an organ, no culturing, no nutrition, the body parts are not complete yet, MR NIGER D, not fully in place and you mean the survived all those stages.

Even the Holy Spirit is embarrassed by the way you reason. I thought you guys love logic, this is one, deal with it, and don't quote me, moreso, either you go back to church and get saved or DONT BLAME GOD IF YOU WIND UP IN HELL, because of your dumb excuses

www.scienceforums.net/topic/34240-can-a-human-cell-exist-independent-of-the-rest-of-the-body-answere cells

www.nairaland.com/3881592/dont-blame-god-wind-up
Good thing you have abandoned your initial argument because it has been flawed, hence confusing yourself with new arguments against your OP, getting emotional and issuing threats.

Or should I start giving you lectures on how the food we take form nutrients or chemicals (made up of atoms and molecules) which reacts with the cells(still atoms and molecules) to help create a regenerative condition of the cells? Or how this same principle is applied in culturing of bacterial and cells?

I would have love to but you have become emotional already, issuing threats. So I will take my leave now and allow you and your goons you mentioned for support to keep clutching at straws and mastur.bate on the thread to your ennui.
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 9:58am On Sep 01, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


I think you're giving yourself too much credit here bro

how does OP if being true make (Christian) theism true?

mind you, before you commit strawman, I'm not arguing against OP, I'm asking how if your OP is correct automatically make (Christian) theism true

don't backtrack on this post of yours now, defend it

your mistake is that you just argued for a deist god at best and are somehow so elated with it that you crashed and burned like Icarus when he flew too close to the sun in ecstasy forgetting his wings is made of wax

I'll hazard a guess that you just recently got to know there are atheists and you're passionate about proving them wrong and post every eureka moment you have here

I know mine is true and I have my convictions, one that surpass my reasoning, when you hear the likes of Katherine Kulhman and you compare some things she and other Gods General experienced to what I have experienced and what the 2000 year old Bible said and I can find a common ground, even among Pentecostal churches, then I will choose Christianity among the 4000 religions in the world.

Thanks
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by hopefulLandlord: 10:08am On Sep 01, 2017
Hier:


I know mine is true and I have my convictions, one that surpass my reasoning, when you hear the likes of Katherine Kulhman and you compare some things she and other Gods General experienced to what I have experienced and what the 2000 year old Bible said and I can find a common ground, even among Pentecostal churches, then I will choose Christianity among the 4000 religions in the world.

Thanks

can you see how you defeated your former post?

I knew you would because I've done this many times

in your heading you mentioned "hell" then started arguing for a creator

your mistake however is that there are about not much less than 3billion humans who acknowledge a creator but don't agree with you on Christianity being true, Judaism for instance even acknowledge your god but don't believe Jesus is the Messiah amongst many other religions

there are also deists like Deepsight, Raphiemontella, anonynymous here who believe in a creator and that's where its stops, they don't go further than that

here you are praising yourself for "proving" your god is real and hell is real only to use arguments a Muslim, Deist, Hindu, Pagan etc can use and when called out you quickly doubled down that you have your convictions, that reeks of dishonesty and cognitive dissonance bro, do I need to tell you Hindus also have personal convictions? Muslims too? Jews too? Pagans too?

I always said that honestly, there is not one single christian argument when put to the rigors of reason and rationality and / or science that is even the slightest bit convincing in any way whatsoever. the whole foundation from start to finish is on sinking sand. It can only be believed by the monumentally naïve or the willfully dishonest.

Christianity is vapid, illogical, filled with absolute bull
and maintained with a combination of make believe
and threats

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Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 10:15am On Sep 01, 2017
I assume the following were blessed by the post, see the atheist, very soon to become theist viewing but were speechless, gooooooooood

Lifeispeace, I still expect your second question

Get ready to become an theist or burn in hell. No mercy

www.nairaland.com/3946844/ill-convert-back-christiandoom-christians

Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 10:21am On Sep 01, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


can you see how you defeated your former post?

I knew you would because I've done this many times

in your heading you mentioned "hell" then started arguing for a creator

your mistake however is that there are about not much less than 3billion humans who acknowledge a creator but don't agree with you on Christianity being true, Judaism for instance even acknowledge your god but don't believe Jesus is the Messiah amongst many other religions

there are also deists like Deepsight, Raphiemontella, anonynymous here who believe in a creator and that's where its stops, they don't go further than that

here you are praising yourself for "proving" your god is real and hell is real only to use arguments a Muslim, Deist, Hindu, Pagan etc can use and when called out you quickly doubled down that you have your convictions, that reeks of dishonesty and cognitive dissonance bro, do I need to tell you Hindus also have personal convictions? Muslims too? Jews too? Pagans too?

I always said that honestly, there is not one single christian argument when put to the rigors of reason and rationality and / or science that is even the slightest bit convincing in any way whatsoever. the whole foundation from start to finish is on sinking sand. It can only be believed by the monumentally naïve or the willfully dishonest.

Christianity is vapid, illogical, filled with absolute bull
and maintained with a combination of make believe
and threats

.GO GET A RELIGION
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 11:16am On Sep 01, 2017
chemystery:

Good thing you have abandoned your initial argument because it has been flawed, hence confusing yourself with new arguments against your OP, getting emotional and issuing threats.

Or should I start giving you lectures on how the food we take form nutrients or chemicals (made up of atoms and molecules) which reacts with the cells(still atoms and molecules) to help create a regenerative condition of the cells? Or how this same principle is applied in culturing of bacterial and cells?

I would have love to but you have become emotional already, issuing threats. So I will take my leave now and allow you and your goons you mentioned for support to keep clutching at straws and mastur.bate on the thread to your ennui.
.


Oooooooh, I sincerely didn't see this.

Food we take you say

Lemme ask, seems you don't understand this thread at all. This thread is about how life came to earth, but the sad part is, I didn't use a Bible verse, and that's unfair. I used logic and some biology.

See, there was no scientists alive who could have cultured those cell back then when life came into existence, I can't believe am replying this, should I call felixomor to come deal with it, cause like I said initially, your responses are illogical, we are talking about creation, you are talking culturing and nutrition, who is providing the culture and nutrition.

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Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 11:35am On Sep 01, 2017
chemystery:

Good thing you have abandoned your initial argument because it has been flawed, hence confusing yourself with new arguments against your OP, getting emotional and issuing threats.

Or should I start giving you lectures on how the food we take form nutrients or chemicals (made up of atoms and molecules) which reacts with the cells(still atoms and molecules) to help create a regenerative condition of the cells? Or how this same principle is applied in culturing of bacterial and cells?

I would have love to but you have become emotional already, issuing threats. So I will take my leave now and allow you and your goons you mentioned for support to keep clutching at straws and mastur.bate on the thread to your ennui.
.


Oooooooh, I sincerely didn't see this.

Food we take you say

Lemme ask, seems you don't understand this thread at all. This thread is about how life came to earth, but the sad part is, I didn't use a Bible verse, and that's unfair. I used logic and some biology.

See, there was no scientists alive who could have cultured those cell back then, when life came into existence, I can't believe am replying this, should I call felixomor to come deal with it, cause like I said initially, your responses are illogical, we are talking about creation, you are talking culturing and nutrition, who is providing the culture and nutrition.


You also need to understand that, there is no much time for a cell without a body that's floating about in the air or on the ground to develop or transform into any other form without surviving via the stage of it being a cell, see don't tell me about a body if you can't explain how that cell survived without being cultured or nutrients, just stay off this thread.

Thanks

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Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by jiggaz(m): 7:16pm On Sep 01, 2017
Hier:
I was just browsing this afternoon and this idea came to me. The ideas are

Well, lemme call this girl, lifeispeace. Okay, she's a good friend, I once made fun of her sometime ago.


To business

Does this prove God?

Premise 1
An animate object gives birth to other animate object

Premise 2
An inanimate object results in other inanimate object

Premise 3
An animate object can not give birth to/reproduce an inanimate object and viceversa (an inanimate object can not reproduce an animate object) Hahn

Premise 4
The universe is an inanimate object

Conclusion 1

Since the universe is an inanimate object, it cannot produce another animate object. (Premise 3 and 4)

Conclusion 2

If there exist a universe that has life that could produce life which could be an animate object, He shall be called God. (Premise 1)

Conclusion 3

If I am alive, and another being created me with his own kind,(goat gives birth to goat; rat gives birth to rat and on and on)

Conclusion 4

Then, I am a type of the animate object, that has life. (Premise 1)


cc KingEbukasblog, obinna58, hahn, alBHAGDADI, Jiggaz, Bennyann, judedwriter, Donnad, seun
cheesy cheesy Lemme read comments bro. I don't argue with atheists though.
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by Hier(m): 9:36am On Sep 03, 2017
Lalasticlala your food is ready
Re: How a Christian should debate an atheist using science and logic by correctguy101(m): 10:10am On Sep 03, 2017
All I'll say is, don't ever think the universe is dead.

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