Afam4eva:

Yes, it is true that Igbos are not the only marginalized groups. Almost every Nigerian is marginalized and this marginalization is the direct disconect between our respective leaders and the common people. I think that is an established fact.

Now, when Igbos talk about marginalization, they're not talking about the marginalization that exist between Hausa and Yoruba leaders and their respective people because Igbos also have that. They're talking about the marginalization that exists between the federal government and Igbos specifically. Atleast we can all agree that Igbos makeup the third leg that this nation was built on as one of the 3 major ethnic groups. Now when we compare what accrues to the other two compared to the Igbos, you will understand what i'm talking about. I will just pick few areas to explain my point.

In the first republic, Nigeria had 4 regions. The North, East, West and Mid West. Three of the four regions were in the south while one was in the north. Today that one region in the north now has 3 regions while the 3 regions in the south still remain with minor adjustments. The 3 regions in the north ave a total of 19 states while the regions in the south have a total of 17 states. Kano state alone has 44 local government and other states in the north also have more local governments compared with their commensurate states elsewhere in the country.

The number of local government wouldn't have been an issue exceot for the fact that it being used for revenue allocation. Meaning that those 19 states in the north will have allocations each. The 44 local governments in kano will also have allocations each as well. As if that's not bad enough even our largest oil producing state of Imo has even less allocation than the average state in the north. Needless to say we have only 5 states, the lowest in all the regions and even the 5 states collect some of the lowest allocations in the federation. That's that.

Now, another area is in the distribution of projects. Can you tell me why most military organizations or government institutions in Nigeria are in the north? Not even one in the east? Can you tell me why federal character benefits the north so much that every parastatal you work into is filled to the brim with northerners and this is the same people that governments says are educationally disadvantaged but are somehow at the top echelon of administrative conveniences in the country.

You have raised a very important aspect here and i would like to consider your perspective on the matter.


According to you, ''In the first republic, Nigeria had 4 regions''. Obviously, things are not the way you put it.

There was 3 regions in 1st Republic...West..East and North..........Each having minorities agitating for separate region.

West granted the minority agitating for separate region theirs (Mid-West), East didn't grant Portharcourt axis. This is what led to the first major agitation, by the Niger delta groups led by Boro if you recall. They want their own seperate region, but the east didn't grant it.

Similar groups also existed in the North, but they also didn't grant it, they prefer what they call, one strong North.


Again, don't forget that the North, at that time was still bigger than both West and East joined together. It was far bigger than the two even as at that period.

So, having 17 States in the South and 19 in the North, is just a reality. If we go back to history, it was supposed to be more than that, because even before independence, Noth had far more representatives at the parliament than both West and East joined together. It has always been more bigger than both east and west joined together. So, that cannot be said to be marginalization. A place with bigger size and population by nature should have more states and more representatives. That is equity.

U.S for example has states with one senator. It has another state with 6 senators. Is that marginalization? No. each state or region got what is due to it based on its size. This is why 6 South South State got more federal revenue than the remaining 30 states joined together. I mean 6 states got more revenue than 30. is that marginalization? No.

South east is small, this is a fact no one can dispute. A place with 20 million population should not receive as much as a place 50 million. That would be unjust. So, because SE has less states doesn't mean it is marginalized, it simply reflected the practical situation.

You also said, Now, Can you tell me why most military organizations or government institutions in Nigeria are in the north?

This is not about the Igbo. This is about something different.

This is another issues that has to do with the nation at large, it is not an igbo arguement.

T get adequate response, you have to ask, what took those institutions there? Why? Since we have had two igbo presidents, i am sure they know better. Since our return to democratic governance, its about 17 years now. people from the south had used 12. North is using 5. If the location of the institutions are problem, they would have looked into it.

Meanwhile, the location of a military infrastructure doesn't amount to marginalization.

Let's be specific. This topic is strictly about igbo marginalization.

That is what we are discussing.

Thanks

In my opinion the ibos have been marginalised for too long, I am not talking about nothing producing a president or vice for the past 50years.


First I am talking about the inhuman treatment melted on the average ibo man, in the area of sme for instance, those of us running such enterprise see the "ibo man" as your one and only competitor, thus we hear words like "wetin u no fit try for onitsha or aba no try am for Here" or "if you give them chance they go carry your customer" this leads to hatred in the long run.


Secondly An average ibo man is seen as an orphan especially in the northern part of the country, over the years the northerners and the ibos have been at loggerheads.... about 2 or 3 years ago in kaduna state, i unfortunately witnessed a bloody massacre of the ibos in broad day light, they were killed in bold blood and shops burnt to the ground, till date not one of the perpetrators of such evil act was arrested or prosecuted.

The truth be told, you all know every ibo man in the northern part of the country lives in fear, no one should live in fear in his or her own country.


Thirdly Judging from all what I see in this country, I think there is a deliberate attempt to under populate the ibos in the northern part of the country and under develop the south Easter part of the country, this can be seems clearly in the way Aba and Nnewi have been treated, these highly industrious cities could have been the China of Africa if they only they got the support required, but rather the government turned a blind eye to the ingenuity of the people, pay a visit to these cities and you will shocked at how under developed it is, not even a single airport in these cities, yet some cities with zero commercial activities have an international airport...........

How much more suffering do you want them to endure before they clamour for a change?



NB- I am not an an ibo man, and I see nothing wrong in calling for a referendum but not the way Nnamdi Kanu is going about it....

Piiko:
The civil war was our undoing, but it was a necessary evil as Igbos were hacked to death in North in retaliation for Ironsi coup, the South west were also to declare a separate republic but Awolowo reneged and went to accept minister of finance portfolio thus selling out, funny enough Osinbajo is married to Awolowo granddaughter. The south westerners are not trustworthy so we don't trust them enough to enter into meaningful political alliances, I love my Yoruba ladies tho, most are beautiful and intelligent

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You people made up and fed yourselves hateful and ignorant rubbish and even passed the same rubbish to many generations to carry on the same hate and ignorance.

You did not trust Yoruba people in 1966, but your forefathers formed alliance with the North to create one Nigeria in 1960 and your other forefather Ironsi abolished regionalism and autonomy with Decree 34 to create unitary and united Nigeria that we have today.


The Nigeria we have today that you hate so much was created buy your ibo forefathers so what's Yoruba people got to do with your forefathers actions?

Bye boy if you can't learn to be courteous in your statement

deomelo:


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You people made up and fed yourselves hateful and ignorant rubbish and even passed the same rubbish to many generations to carry of the hate and ignorance.

You did nit trust Yoruba people in 1966, but your forefathers formed alliance with the North to create one Nigeria and your other forefather Ironsi abolished regionalism autonomy to create unitary and united Nigeria that we have today.


The Nigerian today that you hate so much was created buy your ibo forefathers so what's Yoruba people have to do with your forefathers actions?

bilms:
IS IGBO MARGINALIZED? LET’S DISCUSS
15 Former Presidents of Nigeria, One Prime Minister
1. Tafawa Balewa- (Prime Minister) from Gere Tribe, Bauchi State

2. Nnamdi Azikwe – Igbo Tribe, Anambra State
3. Aguinyi Ironsi - Igbo Tribe, Abia State
4. Yakubu Gowon- Angas Tribe, Jos
5. Murtala Muhammaed-Hausa tribe, Kano State
6. Olusegun Obasanjo- Yoruba Tribe, Ogun State
7. Shehu Shagari- Fulani tribe, Sokoto State
8. Muhammadu Buhari- Fulani Tribe, Katsina State
9. Ibrahim Babangida- Nupe tribe, Niger State
10. Ernest Shonekan- Yoruba tribe, Ogun State
11. Sani Abacha - Kanuri tribe, Borno State
12. Abdulsalam Abubakar- Gwari tribe, Niger State
13. Olusegun Obasanjo- Yoruba tribe, Ogun state
14. Umaru Yaradua- Fulani tribe, Katsina State
15. Goodluck Jonathan- Ijaw tribe, Bayelsa state
16. Muhammadu Buhari- Fulani tribe, Katsina State

We have 16 of them in total.

1 Hausa President, 2 Igbo, 3 Yoruba, 1 Gere tribe, 4 Fulani, 1 Angas, 1 Nupe, 1 Gwari, 1 Kanuri, 1 Ijaw

In practice, Yoruba has only 2, Obasanjo and Shonekan, Igbo has 2, Azikwe and Ironsi, Fulani has 3, Buhari, Yaradua and Shagari, Hausa has only 1, Murtala, and Kanuri, Ijaw, Gere all have 1 each.

Does this justify igbo claim of marginalization?

Source of information: Wikipedia

U r simply a primordial goat

Marginalization on Igbos was BC they were defeated in d civil war and started thereafter ie after ,1970. So ur write up is pure rubbish

Piiko:
Bye boy if you can't learn to be courteous in your statement

The south westerners are not trustworthy so we don't trust them enough to enter into meaningful political alliances

Tell us what was civil about insulting and labelling the entire Yoruba people untrustworthy?

Is this what they call civility in your village?

Keep quiet.

Piiko:
The civil war was our undoing, but it was a necessary evil as Igbos were hacked to death in North in retaliation for Ironsi coup, the South west were also to declare a separate republic but Awolowo reneged and went to accept minister of finance portfolio thus selling out, funny enough Osinbajo is married to Awolowo granddaughter. The south westerners are not trustworthy so we don't trust them enough to enter into meaningful political alliances, I love my Yoruba ladies tho, most are beautiful and intelligent

How was it a necessary evil?

Do you know if it wasn't for the Nzeogwu coup, we will still have regionslism and possibly resource control as it were of that time?

deomelo:







Tell us what was civil about insulting and rebelling the entire Yoruba people untrustworthy?

Is this what they call civility in your village?

Keep quiet.

k

bilms:
IS IGBO MARGINALIZED? LET’S DISCUSS
15 Former Presidents of Nigeria, One Prime Minister
1. Tafawa Balewa- (Prime Minister) from Gere Tribe, Bauchi State

2. Nnamdi Azikwe – Igbo Tribe, Anambra State
3. Aguinyi Ironsi - Igbo Tribe, Abia State
4. Yakubu Gowon- Angas Tribe, Jos
5. Murtala Muhammaed-Hausa tribe, Kano State
6. Olusegun Obasanjo- Yoruba Tribe, Ogun State
7. Shehu Shagari- Fulani tribe, Sokoto State
8. Muhammadu Buhari- Fulani Tribe, Katsina State
9. Ibrahim Babangida- Nupe tribe, Niger State
10. Ernest Shonekan- Yoruba tribe, Ogun State
11. Sani Abacha - Kanuri tribe, Borno State
12. Abdulsalam Abubakar- Gwari tribe, Niger State
13. Olusegun Obasanjo- Yoruba tribe, Ogun state
14. Umaru Yaradua- Fulani tribe, Katsina State
15. Goodluck Jonathan- Ijaw tribe, Bayelsa state
16. Muhammadu Buhari- Fulani tribe, Katsina State

We have 16 of them in total.

1 Hausa President, 2 Igbo, 3 Yoruba, 1 Gere tribe, 4 Fulani, 1 Angas, 1 Nupe, 1 Gwari, 1 Kanuri, 1 Ijaw

In practice, Yoruba has only 2, Obasanjo and Shonekan, Igbo has 2, Azikwe and Ironsi, Fulani has 3, Buhari, Yaradua and Shagari, Hausa has only 1, Murtala, and Kanuri, Ijaw, Gere all have 1 each.

Does this justify igbo claim of marginalization?

Source of information: Wikipedia

you have a good historical update.
But when you become a president and decide to neglect an entire region but instead you appoint your kinsmen, party loyalist and your family members into key posts in a country meant for all, and funded with resources from the neglected region.

Please what will you call this one?

Gwaihir:


How was it a necessary evil?

Do you know if it wasn't for the Nzeogwu coup, we will still have regionslism and possibly resource control as it were of that time?

do u know September 29th every year represents for the Igbos, Ojukwu was the son of west Africa's richest man, but in times of difficulties hero's have to emerge he could have led a comfortable life spending his family fortune but he had to sacrifice, there was no government official intervention to halt the pogrom of Igbos in the North, that's why he came to change the narrative unfortunately western powers ensure through starvation that the Igbos were killed in large nos, one of the earliest medical missionaries in Nigeria Dr Akanu Ibiam (he is from my village and kindred) had to renounce his Member of British Empire title to protest the humiliation of Ndigbo for no reason of ours, most tribes feel threatened, everyone was given a fixed amount of 20 shillings or so, we changed the narrative and today with paltry sum we control the economy and strategic sectors, how Europe underdeveloped Africa is a classic read, our economy was structured to benefit our colonial masters and for administrative convenience, that's why foreign powers would conveniently thwart any effort at changing Nigerias map, if ypu can read the about the Berlin conference of 1888 or so when Africa was partitioned on a table by Europeans

My only fear is that no nation can survive two civil wars and as advanced in terms of age, as we are we are not a nation yet, we need to sit and discuss our terms of existence so our distrust and scheming by different tribes will end and we need to ask ourselves why a North East development commission bill will sail easily and a south east development commission bill will be struck out at 1st reading

bilms:

You have raised a very important aspect here and i would like to consider your perspective on the matter.


According to you, ''In the first republic, Nigeria had 4 regions''. Obviously, things are not the way you put it.

There was 3 regions in 1st Republic...West..East and North..........Each having minorities agitating for separate region.

West granted the minority agitating for separate region theirs (Mid-West), East didn't grant Portharcourt axis. This is what led to the first major agitation, by the Niger delta groups led by Boro if you recall. They want their own seperate region, but the east didn't grant it.

Similar groups also existed in the North, but they also didn't grant it, they prefer what they call, one strong North.


Again, don't forget that the North, at that time was still bigger than both West and East joined together. It was far bigger than the two even as at that period.

So, having 17 States in the South and 19 in the North, is just a reality. If we go back to history, it was supposed to be more than that, because even before independence, Noth had far more representatives at the parliament than both West and East joined together. It has always been more bigger than both east and west joined together. So, that cannot be said to be marginalization. A place with bigger size and population by nature should have more states and more representatives. That is equity.

U.S for example has states with one senator. It has another state with 6 senators. Is that marginalization? No. each state or region got what is due to it based on its size. This is why 6 South South State got more federal revenue than the remaining 30 states joined together. I mean 6 states got more revenue than 30. is that marginalization? No.

South east is small, this is a fact no one can dispute. A place with 20 million population should not receive as much as a place 50 million. That would be unjust. So, because SE has less states doesn't mean it is marginalized, it simply reflected the practical situation.

You also said, Now, Can you tell me why most military organizations or government institutions in Nigeria are in the north?

This is not about the Igbo. This is about something different.

This is another issues that has to do with the nation at large, it is not an igbo arguement.

T get adequate response, you have to ask, what took those institutions there? Why? Since we have had two igbo presidents, i am sure they know better. Since our return to democratic governance, its about 17 years now. people from the south had used 12. North is using 5. If the location of the institutions are problem, they would have looked into it.

Meanwhile, the location of a military infrastructure doesn't amount to marginalization.

Let's be specific. This topic is strictly about igbo marginalization.

That is what we are discussing.

Thanks

You have spoken well with valid points.

To be candid, i feel the Nigerian system has not been fair to the igbos.

Of a fact igbos have held sway at the helm of affairs but since 1999 the igbos feel they have not gotten enough from Nigeria compared to other regions.

Obasanjo/Atiku
jonathan/sambo
Buhari/Osinbajo

this govt made it more glaring when she decided to neglect the region in the scheme of things probably because the region didnt vote for APC. Am sure you remember the 5% and 97% that didnt add up.

The eastern politicians and especially governors have not helped their cause. They have refused to develope their regions.

My take is we go back to the regional govt or better still practice true federalism with the states granted full autonomy as enshrined in a true democratic constitution.

Piiko

You still haven't explained to me how it was a necessary evil? Or how is Ojukwu sacrifice borne out of the pogrom that had not started yet when he joined the army? If am not mistaken Ojukwu joined the army as a bloody korofo not a CO, one wonders why that level of zeal and what was he looking for at the time the war or coup was yet to happen? An oxford graduate I believe?

Once again, how was it a necessary evil? The system of government we have was inaugurated by what tribe?

I am fully aware of the problems of this northern hegemony and what it brings to us in the south. I am in support of restructure or an outright division if the former is impossible. I will not debate with you whether or not you igbos are marginalized or how whatever bill couldn't sail through. You and I know, Nigeria politics is ethnocentric and a game of numbers.
I believe your governors should have sought to make the south east the envy of states but it's all part of ethnocentric politics.

The question I will add is, how is the Yorubas the problem of Nigeria or the reason the army is currently in the east? I would have thought during that GEJ era the panache the igbos have been known to have will have been brought to bare in deciding the restructure of this country especially the northerners threatening that they will make the north ungovernable for him. There is no better cover than that to initiate and pursue it but what did we get, a historic monumental amount of looting and inefficiency.

Now understand that either way this thing turns in Nigeria, the south west is in a favorable place and will not risk fighting wars for anyone or engage in what will jeopardize the lucrative exploits that has been achieved there. It is not cowardice, it is sound logic. It is those who have nothing to lose or gain from this current contraption that need to take the bull by the horns.

One thing is certain,no war will be fought in the south west even your eastern and I dare say northern brothers have too much at stake to allow it happen. Should Nigeria remain or divide both region will still need to be in the good graces of the south west. It is simply the power of economic value coming into play, the emir of Kano also confirmed that fact.

Piiko:
I wish I could comment but I have gone tired of being ethnocentric, this current Daura disaster is the 1 causing most of our problems, we don't like him that's why we gave him minimal votes, the Afonja have never been our allies there always sell out and I am sure it's coz there think we will outshine them, a lot of things aren't in our favour, we are landlocked the geographical spread of our people and our political apathy, most of us like food is ready politics I hope the future is better otherwise our next best option is the clamour for restructuring, we are the state with the least constituencies, least local government and fewest state as it stands. The thing weak me

Here we go with their mouths again!!!Operation Skilewu dance hasnt RE-FORMATTED this one's head yet. Like the other igbo actor said yesterday, "fighting is NOT all about gragra,its your head that you need most".......they STILL haven't learn! Has there been ANY battle these fools EVER won before??

Realman87:


Mr man, you are from Kwara state. What is your interest in this matter. Only today, there have been over 7 threads on igbos. I wonder whether nothing else can be discussed here but igbos/ipob/biafra.

Oya, foolish igbos jump on the thread opened by a Yoruba busybody.

When you come to the market square to dance naked, its you that people will laugh at! Thanks the igbo's laughable situation NOW!

Gwaihir:
Piiko

You still haven't explained to me how it was a necessary evil? Or how is Ojukwu sacrifice borne out of the pogrom that had not started yet when he joined the army? If am not mistaken Ojukwu joined the army as a bloody korofo not a CO, one wonders why that level of zeal and what was he looking for at the time the war or coup was yet to happen? An oxford graduate I believe?

Once again, how was it a necessary evil? The system of government we had was inaugurated by what tribe?

I am fully aware of the problems of this northern hegemony and what it brings to us in the south. I am in support of restructure or an outright division if the former is impossible. I will not debate with you whether or not you igbos are marginalized or how whatever bill couldn't sail through. You and I know, Nigeria politics is ethnocentric and a game of numbers.


The question I will add is, how is the Yorubas the problem of Nigeria or the reason the army is currently in the east? I would have thought during that GEJ ahead the panache the igbos have been known to have will have been brought to bare in deciding the restructure of this country especially the northerners threatening that they will make the north ingovernable for him. There is no better cover than that to initiate and pursue it but what do we get, a historic monumental amount of looting and inefficiency.

Now understand that either way this thing turns in Nigeria, the south west is in a favorable place and will not risk fighting wars for anyone or engage in what will jeopardize the lucrative exploits that has been achieved there. It is not cowardice, it is sound logic. It is those who have nothing to lose or gain from this current contraption that needs to take the bull by the horns.

One thing is certain,no war will be fought in the south west even your eastern and I dare say northern brothers have too much at stake to allow it happen. Should Nigeria remain or divide both region will still need to be in the good graces of the south west. It is simply the power of economic value coming into play, the emir of Kano also confirmed that fact.

you made valid points ,although I think you exegerated on the economic value front (the south west would have to negotiate with the ss and possibly the SE to get gas/crude for power in case of separation ).
That being said, I think it's selfish and thoughtless for the SE to blame the SW for their problems (they have to put themselves first -even if it doesn't suit the SE). The SE should begin to adopt a holistic -not fragmented-approach to their problems .

1. Marginalization is in the eyes of the beholder.

2. During the last administration, ibo people did not see or hear anything about marginalization because they were content and satisfied with the man and the party they love and voted for and even dominated that administration with their sons and daughters in the cabinet and all over the agencies as directors and so on.

3. You mentioned airports. Stella Oduah, ibo daughter of the soil was not only a mover and shaker in that administration, she was the aviation minister with billions of dollars at her disposal including billions in Chinese loans for airport construction and renovation.

4. The question is, why didn't she use her influence to build a new airport from scratch in the SE instead of refurbishing the old landing strip they mislabeled international airport to deceive SE'ners.

5. You sons and daughters are part of every administration in Nigeria so if it is your believe that the FG is marginalizing you, it means your own sons and daughters as part of that administration are marginalizing you also since they did not lift a finger to direct federal projects and infrastructures to your their regions.

6. Your elected and appointed leaders at the federal level are responsible for your region, it is their job to direct federal projects to your region so hold them accountable instead of blaming and crucifying people in other regions. The people in other regions are not obligated to look out for you because they are sent there to look out for their own people.

7. Still on airports. You can build all the airports you want in every corner of SE, it won't matter or improve anything because market forces, supply and demand dictates where and how people do business and make money. The fact that I have 2 airports, 1 in front of mu house and another in the back of my house doesn't mean anything unless I have huge market and buying population with disposable income to sell to.

8. There's more to doing business and economic activities than airport and we can see this already with the international airport they already have in that region. Why are ibo business people all over Nigeria taking advantage of that airport to boost economic activities in that region?

The demand is not there because your business people don't see any economic advantage in that region. PERIOD.

9. Still on airport.

If airports are so important to that region, why are the governors in that region not joining forces together to build their own airport? Must the FG build airports for you especially when other states are building their own themselves?

You want us to believe that you are the richest, you are the smartest and you own everything in Nigeria, but you still can not build ordinary airport or construct a little 2nd NB yourself and you are the one shouting marginalization.



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This is Dutse international airport, built by the state government.

These are the same Hausa people you love to hate and abuse, but they are showing that they are more capable than you at the state level.

They are moving ahead without siting around like lazy people shouting marginalization.

The state governors in the East collects taxes and allocations just like the rest of Nigeria so when was the last time the average ibo man ask their state governors what they did or are doing with their taxes and allocations?

Never, they don't ask their leaders for anything because they've been mentally programmed that it is the job of the FG to do everything for them and people from other regions in the FG are the bad people denying them everything. They will kill themselves over Osun state and demand accountability from Aregbe before asking their own leaders anything even thought the same Aregbe is building his own state airport even though it's taking him forever to complete, but he has the vision and audacity to start construction instead of crying marginalization.


Your future should be in your own hand, not in other people's hands

Marginalization is what lazy and incompetent people shout to divert away from their laziness and incompetence.

Piiko:
I wish I could comment but I have gone tired of being ethnocentric, this current Daura disaster is the 1 causing most of our problems, we don't like him that's why we gave him minimal votes, the Afonja have never been our allies there always sell out and I am sure it's coz there think we will outshine them, a lot of things aren't in our favour, we are landlocked the geographical spread of our people and our political apathy, most of us like food is ready politics I hope the future is better otherwise our next best option is the clamour for restructuring, we are the state with the least constituencies, least local government and fewest state as it stands. The thing weak me

You're destined to end up a tribal warrior. Even if you die today, your corpse will still be chanting tribal slurs. See the rubbish you wrote in the bolded? How can you outshine your betters? by swimming unclad in isiala ngwa muddy pool?

So Yoruba sold out because they refused to partner with you in your romance with Ahmadu bello/Balewa, Shagari, Abacha, Tofa and the next abok.i you'll slave for? When did you start hating your northern husbands? you'll die of depression and bitterness if you're not careful o

Abia and Imo have crude oil Ebonyi is rumoured to have but there's no conclusive evidence yet, the SE are not astute politicians we lost out in the scheme, moving forward I will like to encourage my brothers to participate more actively in politics, as it is a game of numbers and winner takes all

eduj:

you made valid points ,although I think you exegerated on the economic value front (the south west would have to negotiate with the ss and possibly the SE to get gas/crude for power in case of separation ).
That being said, I think it's selfish and thoughtless for the SE to blame the SW for their problems (they have to put themselves first -even if it doesn't suit the SE). The SE should begin to adopt a holistic -not fragmented-approach to their problems .

shukuokukobambi:


You're destined to end up a tribal warrior. Even if you die today, your corpse will still be chanting tribal slurs. See the rubbish you wrote in the bolded? How can you outshine your betters? by swimming unclad in isiala ngwa muddy pool?

So Yoruba sold out because they refused to partner with you in your romance with Ahmadu bello/Balewa, Shagari, Abacha, Tofa and the next abok.i you'll slave for? When did you start hating your northern husbands? you'll die of depression and bitterness if you're not careful o

by your moniker alone I will assume you have a case of confused personality, I come across a whole lot of people in my dealings and forget being an ethnic champions the Northerners are always very refined and trustworthy especially their elites, its the illiterate ones that constitute nuisance, politically I would prefer to align with them as we don't trust the south westerners from time immemorial. Ojukwu legacy lives on and he is greater and fearless than anybody you can think of from your lineage or ancestry

Piiko:
by your moniker alone I will assume you have a case of confused personality, I come across a whole lot of people in my dealings and forget being an ethnic champions the Northerners are always very refined and trustworthy especially their elites, its the illiterate ones that constitute nuisance, politically I would prefer to align with them as we don't trust the south westerners from time immemorial. Ojukwu legacy lives on and he is greater and fearless than anybody you can think of from your lineage or ancestry

So why the pretense that it's the Yoruba that don't want to be your allies? You've always aligned with them even after the pogroms of 1945, 1953 and 1967-1970. Even after this kanu debacle and all your blood and tears, you'll still vote Alhaji Atiku in 2019 so cut out that sh!t and keep your eternal union with the abok.i. You can live no other way. As for reference to ojukwu, truly his manhood or gen!tals lives on but are you his legitimate or illegitimate child? because i don't know how ojukwu came into the picture.

shukuokukobambi:


So why the pretense that it's the Yoruba that don't want to be your allies? You've always aligned with them even after the pogroms of 1945, 1953 and 1967-1970. Even after this kanu debacle and all your blood and tears, you'll still vote Alhaji Atiku in 2019 so cut out that sh!t and keep your eternal union with the abok.i. You can live no other way. As for reference to ojukwu, truly his manhood or gen!tals lives on but are you his legitimate or illegitimate child? because i don't know how ojukwu came into the picture.

I like him, I have read a lot about him since I was little

Piiko:
I like him, I have read a lot about him since I was little

no wahala

shukuokukobambi:


no wahala

if i dont marry an Igbo lady my next pick would be Yoruba, I hate some e-warriors like Omojuwa and ogundamisi with all my soul those 2 give the yorubas a bad name, the latter takes pride in ridiculing Igbos, I called him Afonja this morning he blocked me on twitter

Piiko:
if i dont marry an Igbo lady my next pick would be Yoruba, I hate some e-warriors like Omojuwa and ogundamisi with all my soul those 2 give the yorubas a bad name, the latter takes pride in ridiculing Igbos, I called him Afonja this morning he blocked me on twitter

Do you also hate kanu with all his dangerous madness?

shukuokukobambi:


Do you also hate kanu with all his dangerous madness?

I see him as a joker and a failure

Piiko:
I see him as a joker and a failure

ok

shukuokukobambi:


ok

he has no pedigree no family name, nothing tangible to hold on to, just propaganda and dispelling false information, look at his followers most are ragtag, however I think he has made some salient points he deserves a listen

Piiko:
he has no pedigree no family name, nothing tangible to hold on to, just propaganda and dispelling false information, look at his followers most are ragtag, however I think he has made some salient points he deserves a listen

We all know the country has issues and have been making those salient points but without his stupidity.

Afam4eva:

Civil war. I'm surprised that was so hard for you except you're just playing to the gallery like always.

How would a people who like Igbo just few years earlier suddenly want to go to war with it?
Why would Igbo want to go to war with it's friend, despite it alliance? Or why would the North want to go to war with it's friend, despite allaince?

FrancisDiote:

you have a good historical update.
But when you become a president and decide to neglect an entire region but instead you appoint your kinsmen, party loyalist and your family members into key posts in a country meant for all, and funded with resources from the neglected region.

Please what will you call this one?

But this is exactly what happened under GEJ and Igbo were beneficiaries, while Yoruba were victims.

When the table turned, it shouldn't bring much noise.

FrancisDiote:

You have spoken well with valid points.

To be candid, i feel the Nigerian system has not been fair to the igbos.

Of a fact igbos have held sway at the helm of affairs but since 1999 the igbos feel they have not gotten enough from Nigeria compared to other regions.

Obasanjo/Atiku
jonathan/sambo
Buhari/Osinbajo

this govt made it more glaring when she decided to neglect the region in the scheme of things probably because the region didnt vote for APC. Am sure you remember the 5% and 97% that didnt add up.

The eastern politicians and especially governors have not helped their cause. They have refused to develope their regions.

My take is we go back to the regional govt or better still practice true federalism with the states granted full autonomy as enshrined in a true democratic constitution.

When we had obj/atiku,Igbo was so. In 2003, Buhari offered Igbo VP, they refused to vote for him. He did again in 2007, they didn't vote for him. How is that anybody's fault? Igbo voted for Yaradua and GEJ.

Why should anyone take the blame for their own error?

If they had voted for Buhari when he had igbo VP, igbo would have been.

eduj:

you made valid points ,although I think you exegerated on the economic value front (the south west would have to negotiate with the ss and possibly the SE to get gas/crude for power in case of separation ).
That being said, I think it's selfish and thoughtless for the SE to blame the SW for their problems (they have to put themselves first -even if it doesn't suit the SE). The SE should begin to adopt a holistic -not fragmented-approach to their problems .

I understand SS but not SE, at the end of the day it is still at the advantage of the SW. Remember Dangote's refinery? The negotiation will not be one sided since the south west also have oil in places yet to be tapped. Plus of what value is the crude oil to the South south if there is no place to refine it? Or the pipeline that is being constructed to serve some west African states?

At the end of the day, it will be give and take/collaborative negotitatuon not a competitive one. The south south can't drink their oil and if refined that is when it will serve more of an economic advantage to sell to other African countries. You can see how Nigeria was transporting crude oil to America and back. Which negotitation did we do with them?