who gave you that ideology that Catholic church was established by the early Apostles?

Catholic has alot of things they practice that the early apostles never knew about, rather they fought against it with their lives and blood.

Hear this;
1-Did the early apostles use Chaplet/Rosary?

2- Did they observe infant baptism?

3- Did they stop the priests, the apostles or the ministers from getting married?

4- Did they Honour Mary and create songs for her?

5- Were they traditionalists?

6- Did they use holy water?

7-Did they tell anybody about Purgatory rather than eternal Hell fire?

8- Did they gather the names of dead people every November to pray that God will send them to Heaven? When the word of God clearly affirms that there is no repentance, forgiveness, salvation or remission of sin after death.

9- Did they encourage some women not to marry in the name of making them Rev.Sisters?

10- Did they wed women with 8-9months pregnancy in the name of Holy Matrimony?


12- Did they create a suspicious organisation like "KNIGHTS" in the early church?


13- Did they mould the images of Mary and Jesus Christ and began to bow down to it?

To what import is this thing you wrote? I am not a catholic but your attitude as depicted above is unchristian .

If U are not a Catholic why bother about Catholic practices? Why u carry issue wey no concern u for head like dandruff?

ebenice:
who gave you that ideology that Catholic church was established by the early Apostles?

Catholic has alot of things they practice that the early apostles never knew about, rather they fought against it with their lives and blood.

Hear this;
1-Did the early apostles use Chaplet/Rosary?

2- Did they observe infant baptism?

3- Did they stop the priests, the apostles or the ministers from getting married?

4- Did they Honour Mary and create songs for her?

5- Were they traditionalists?

6- Did they use holy water?

7-Did they tell anybody about Purgatory rather than eternal Hell fire?

8- Did they gather the names of dead people every November to pray that God will send them to Heaven? When the word of God clearly affirms that there is no repentance, forgiveness, salvation or remission of sin after death.

9- Did they encourage some women not to marry in the name of making them Rev.Sisters?

10- Did they wed women with 8-9months pregnancy in the name of Holy Matrimony?


12- Did they create a suspicious organisation like "KNIGHTS" in the early church?


13- Did they mould the images of Mary and Jesus Christ and began to bow down to it?

No. But the holy spirit did reveal those things with time. U could also ask
Did they preach with the bible?
Did they read the new testament?
Did they practice Bible Alone?
Did they preach Faith alone?
Did they define the Trinity?
Did they sow seeds?
Did they tell people that born again is just to declare with your mouth that Jesus is your Lord and personal saviour?
Did they preach that once saved you are always saved?
Did they teach that u cannot reject Gods grace?
Did they insist on paying tithes?
Did they preach prosperity Gospel?

Button line, if you call upon the name of the Lord, though shall be saved

It said thou shall. Not thou art. There is a difference.
Even the thou shall is for those who genuinely call on his name

For not all who call him Lord Lord shall see the kingdom of heaven. But only those who do the will of God
In the same vein many will say we performed all kinds of miracles in his name but he will say to them depart from me for I do not know you

niceprof:
To what import is this thing you wrote? I am not a catholic but your attitude as depicted above is unchristian .

what attitude oo?

Dnaz:


No. But the holy spirit did reveal those things with time. U could also ask

The Holy Spirit did not reveal anything since what He last revealed to John in the Book of Revelation. Any "doctrine or dogma" must be backed up by what has been revealed in the Scriptures. If it goes contrary to the revealed word of God then know that it is an heresy.

Dnaz:


Did they preach with the bible?

The Bible otherwise called the Scriptures is the inspired Word of God (God-breathed). The apostles preaching was based on the OT canon and even the epistles of apostles such as Paul was recognised as the Word of God and used in preaching.

Dnaz:


Did they read the new testament?

Yes.

Dnaz:


Did they practice Bible Alone?

Yes.

Dnaz:


Did they preach Faith alone?

Yes.

Dnaz:


Did they define the Trinity?

Yes.

Dnaz:


Did they sow seeds?

Yes.

Dnaz:


Did they tell people that born again is just to declare with your mouth that Jesus is your Lord and personal saviour?

Yes, by believing in the gospel, acknowledging your sins and confessing Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Dnaz:


Did they preach that once saved you are always saved?

No.

Dnaz:


Did they teach that u cannot reject Gods grace?

No.

Dnaz:


Did they insist on paying tithes?

Yes and No.

Dnaz:


Did they preach prosperity Gospel?

Depending on what you mean by "prosperity Gospel" because good news is prosperity. (3 John 2).

Good news is not prosperity, it's salvation....... The good news is '' Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand ''.

ebenice:
who gave you that ideology that Catholic church was established by the early Apostles?

Catholic has alot of things they practice that the early apostles never knew about, rather they fought against it with their lives and blood.

Hear this;
1-Did the early apostles use Chaplet/Rosary?

Yes

2- Did they observe infant baptism?
Yes

3- Did they stop the priests, the apostles or the ministers from getting married?
Yes

4- Did they Honour Mary and create songs for her?
Yes

5- Were they traditionalists?
Yes

6- Did they use holy water?
Yes

7-Did they tell anybody about Purgatory rather than eternal Hell fire?
Yes

8- Did they gather the names of dead people every November to pray that God will send them to Heaven? When the word of God clearly affirms that there is no repentance, forgiveness, salvation or remission of sin after death.
Yes

9- Did they encourage some women not to marry in the name of making them Rev.Sisters?
Yes

10- Did they wed women with 8-9months pregnancy in the name of Holy Matrimony?
Yes

12- Did they create a suspicious organisation like "KNIGHTS" in the early church?
Yes


13- Did they mould the images of Mary and Jesus Christ and began to bow down to it?
Yes

Lo I will be with you always until the end of time.
Christ never left his church
The Catholic church is the pillar and foundation of truth

Dnaz:


Lo I will be with you always until the end of time.
Christ never left his church
The Catholic church is the pillar and foundation of truth

what "truth"?

ojobolinda:
Good news is not prosperity, it's salvation....... The good news is '' Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand ''.

The good news is Jesus died for sinners 2Corinthians 5:21

ojobolinda:
Good news is not prosperity, it's salvation....... The good news is '' Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand ''.

Focus on the good news and leave Catholics alone

ojobolinda:
Good news is not prosperity, it's salvation....... The good news is '' Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand ''.

THE GOODNEWS IS A TOTAL PACKAGE..PROSPERITY INCLUDED

Why are you bothered about Catholics? Leave those guys alone let me continue with their doctrines.

Dnaz:


Focus on the good news and leave Catholics alone

What is ur problem?.... Am i d op dat post abt catholic?........ Pls don't mention me again, i wasn't talking to u.

bloodofthelamb:
THE GOODNEWS IS A TOTAL PACKAGE..PROSPERITY INCLUDED

Whatever rock ur boat.

ebenice:
what "truth"?

would you like to ask Paul?

Ubenedictus:
would you like to ask Paul?

can you ask him for me?

Or better still tell me yourself

ebenice:
who gave you that ideology that Catholic church was established by the early Apostles?

Catholic has alot of things they practice that the early apostles never knew about, rather they fought against it with their lives and blood.

Hear this;
1-Did the early apostles use Chaplet/Rosary?

2- Did they observe infant baptism?

3- Did they stop the priests, the apostles or the ministers from getting married?

4- Did they Honour Mary and create songs for her?

5- Were they traditionalists?

6- Did they use holy water?

7-Did they tell anybody about Purgatory rather than eternal Hell fire?

8- Did they gather the names of dead people every November to pray that God will send them to Heaven? When the word of God clearly affirms that there is no repentance, forgiveness, salvation or remission of sin after death.

9- Did they encourage some women not to marry in the name of making them Rev.Sisters?

10- Did they wed women with 8-9months pregnancy in the name of Holy Matrimony?


12- Did they create a suspicious organisation like "KNIGHTS" in the early church?


13- Did they mould the images of Mary and Jesus Christ and began to bow down to it?

interesting points... before I engage you point by point I would like you to answer a question for me..
Your last statement can you prove it...

Where or when did the apostles fight "with their lives and blood" against
1. infant baptism
2. the rosary
3. Celibacy (men and women)

And please be specific.. address the point directly

easymancfc:

interesting points... before I engage you point by point I would like you to answer a question for me..
Your last statement can you prove it...

Where or when did the apostles fight "with their lives and blood" against
1. infant baptism
2. the rosary
3. Celibacy (men and women)

And please be specific.. address the point directly

hmm

Seems u are getting it twisted..that paragraph was just prologue ..it wasn't written directly to any actions

And why pick three points out of the many?

And which of the apostles' partook in any of those 3 points you raised?

Is only a tree that has fruits that people stone. No church that is hated like the Catholic Church but has always stand come what may.

ebenice:
can you ask him for me?
Or better still tell me yourself

nah have a nice day arguing with Paul

Ubenedictus:
nah have a nice day arguing with Paul

thanks for making me laugh

ebenice:
thanks for making me laugh

you're most welcome.

its my pleasure.

niceprof:
To what import is this thing you wrote? I am not a catholic but your attitude as depicted above is unchristian .

This is d attitude dat is killing christianity, hypocrisy everywhere. D op write up is nt unchristian, yours is.

ebenice:
hmm

Seems u are getting it twisted..that paragraph was just prologue ..it wasn't written directly to any actions

And why pick three points out of the many?

And which of the apostles' partook in any of those 3 points you raised?

Am not getting anything twisted.. you are making a false statement which you cannot prove...

I picked these three out not for any particular reason but since you point it out..

the apostles never fought against celibacy.. some of them encouraged it... Paul encouraged celibacy... so did Jesus...

The rosary was not in. existence in their time...

The apostles did baptize infants ...
Peter baptized households which contained infants so did Paul...

easymancfc:

Am not getting anything twisted.. you are making a false statement which you cannot prove...

I picked these three out not for any particular reason but since you point it out..

the apostles never fought against celibacy.. some of them encouraged it... Paul encouraged celibacy... so did Jesus...

The rosary was not in. existence in their time...

The apostles did baptize infants ...
Peter baptized households which contained infants so did Paul...

did they specifically state it that he/they baptised infant?


Who then invent rosary's?..since it wasn't in existence then

Paul encourage celibacy..celibacy means abstinence from sex ..he never said they should organised a body of nuns and fathers

greencard:
did they specifically state it that he/they baptised infant?


Who then invent rosary's?..since it wasn't in existence then

Paul encourage celibacy..celibacy means abstinence from sex ..he never said they should organised a body of nuns and fathers

Christ supported celibacy and he said it is to them that can receive it

10 The disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry."
Matthew 19:10

11 But He said to them, "Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given.
Matthew 19:11

12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it."
Matthew 19:12

greencard:
did they specifically state it that he/they baptised infant?

Households contain children and babies... And they baptized entire households..
Here's a better question Did they specifically say that they did not

greencard:

Who then invent rosary's?..since it wasn't in existence then

Prayers evolved.. Most of us don't pray the way 2nd century Jews prayed...
They didn't need a rosary then because whoever needed Mary's prayer could go to her house in Ephesus and pray with her...

greencard:

Paul encourage celibacy..celibacy means abstinence from sex ..he never said they should organised a body of nuns and fathers

Celibacy in its proper meaning means abstinence from marriage not necessarily sex.. See 1 cor 7:7, 1 cor 7:32-35, So in a bid to give undivided attention to the Lord's service... The Church decided that Priest or nuns should be celibate just as Jesus said that some made themselves Eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom.. See matt 19:12..

They received those doctrines through divine inspiration.

No church is hundred percent biblical. Besides, religion is a game.