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Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 1:05pm On Nov 05, 2017
felixomor:


The Olodo will always mess up simple grammar cheesy
Not once, Not twice cheesy lol

Shut up! Resident mor0n.
Re: Hello Heathens! by felixomor: 1:31pm On Nov 05, 2017
dalaman:


Shut up! Resident mor0n.

Hehehe. Simple grammar grin

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Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 1:38pm On Nov 05, 2017
dalaman:


I don't believe any of the alleged creators including yours because of lack of evidence .
What should i now term you as? An insane man or a dishonest man? Anytime there is a discursion with Christians about their God, you who claim does not believe in any god at all, keep throwing in Brahma, Allah, Vishnu Eni, Zeus and other gods. What should we call this, Insanity?

If you don't believe in any god at all, why don't you maintain your atheistic stance in a discussion rather than bring in other gods to support your argument?

Are you deliberately being dishonest or your problem is only with the God of the Christians?
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 1:46pm On Nov 05, 2017
dalaman:


I reminding you that you are the resident mor0n. Every one calls you Felixmoron.
I sense you are using reverse psychology, because reading here, believe me, you are more moronic than a child with down syndrome. No offence.
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 3:47pm On Nov 05, 2017
Emmanystone:

What should i now term you as? An insane man or a dishonest man? Anytime there is a discursion with Christians about their God, you who claim does not believe in any god at all, keep throwing in Brahma, Allah, Vishnu Eni, Zeus and other gods. What should we call this, Insanity?

If you don't believe in any god at all, why don't you maintain your atheistic stance in a discussion rather than bring in other gods to support your argument?

Are you deliberately being dishonest or your problem is only with the God of the Christians?

When you make claims without any basis or evidence the only way I can show you how baseless your claim is, is to show you similar claims others are making. If you tell me that Yahweh created the universe(without any evidence). The only way I can show you how basless that claim is , is by showing you that others have made such claims about their various Gods as well.

If you tell me that I'll burn in hell for not believing your stories all I need to do is to tell you that you'll also rot in Allah's hell for not believing in his own stories. Am using other religions to show you how empty your assertions are in reality.

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Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 4:11pm On Nov 05, 2017
dalaman:


When you male claims without any basis or evidence the only way I can show you how baseless your claim is, is to show you similar claims others are making. If you tell me that Yahweh created the universe(without any evidence). The only way I can show you how basless that claim is , is by showing you that others have made such claims about their various Gods as well.

If you tell me that I'll burn in hell for not believing our stories all I need to do is to tell you that you'll also rot in Allah's he'll for not believing in his own stories. Am using other religions to show you how empty your assertions are in reality.
That spells insanity more because the religions you talk about still tell you you'd burn in hellfire.


This is dumb.
Re: Hello Heathens! by DoctorAlien(m): 6:39pm On Nov 05, 2017
budaatum:

That is true. If God proves to me that God exists, I will most definitely never insult mine, or God's intelligence, by claiming, "I believe that God exists".

It seems to be a flaw in language with rather ancient origins, I suppose, that makes believers claim they 'believe'. Most, I guess, just take the off the shelf statement, "I believe", without thinking, and see it as a virtue. If only someone had told them that even the devil believes. But I guess we cannot ask that other peoples knowledge be perfect.

In uttering the phrase "I believe that God exists", what I would be confessing would be that I do not exactly know whether God exists or not but that I am willing to hold to the position that God does exist. But if God were to prove to me that God exists, my belief would surely become knowledge so why just believe?

I am an atheist. The most significant characteristic of my atheism is evidence. I am fond of stating that as far as god like things are concerned, I tend not to do 'belief'. If god was rain, I would not claim I believe it were raining if rain were pissing down on my head. I would know it was raining, and I would say so. Same with gods. If God provides me with evidence to prove God's existence, I will not merely believe, I will know that God exists, and I will say, "there is God"!

It seems you think that you only believe things that have not been proven, and that the presence of proof throws the need for belief out of the window, even though the definition of the word "belief" might suggest otherwise. Anyway, what do you have to say in relation to the spherical shape of the earth about those who, in the face of sufficient proof of the spherical shape of the earth, continue to proclaim that the earth is flat?

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Re: Hello Heathens! by jimmyjenseng(m): 7:50pm On Nov 05, 2017
Emmanystone:

Your question was, 'what is the correlation between ISOC and God.

ISOC= INTENTIONAL STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS.

This is about Consciousness and how one can be intentionally in control of that state.

Now, to be conscious means to be aware of your environment, to be able to function and interact with that environment. And intentionality is how you operate to bring actions or activities in your environment under your immediate control. It is power to administrate, dominate and control.

It is the state of being able to mentally represent yourself at any point in time.

You asked me how ISOC relates to God. Here is how.

It is the God-likeness (consciousness) in us that enables us be in a state which we can take control of our minds and make rational and intentional decisions.

According to the book of Life, the Holy Bible, After YHWH created Man, he (Adam) was in the realm of the spirit, in God's image, but the purpose of creating Adam was for him to operate and function not in the realm of the spirit, but the Physical, hence, there was for him to have a body which will enable him be a material entity, hence, the clay.

The Book of Life accounts that, when YHWH took the clay and moulded it, it was lying lifeless on the ground until God took the spirit which had created and put in the clay, they clay received Life, jacked up and became a living soul.

Now, the clay has become a living soul, breathing and and in motion, but the living soul needed to interact and function in his new environment. But how could he archive that without consciousness?

This is when the likeness of YHWH came to play in the life of Adam.

The Likeness of God is the consciousness of God. Without Consciousness, we won't be able to interact and function in our environment. We won't be able to take rational decisions. And, taking rational decisions is done intentionally.


YHWH put intentional state of consciousness in man to enable him be god.

Animals too have intentional state of consciousness. Would you say YHWH put this in them to enable them be god?
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 8:38pm On Nov 05, 2017
jimmyjenseng:


Animals too have intentional state of consciousness. Would you say YHWH put this in them to enable them be god?
You mean Animals have the capacity to intentionally take actions that will bring activities in their immidiate environment under their control?

Wait, really?
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 9:11pm On Nov 05, 2017
Emmanystone:

That spells insanity more because the religions you talk about still tell you you'd burn in hellfire.


This is dumb.

So you ever lose sleep when a muslim tells you that you'll burn in hell for not accepting the Islamic stories? I bet you don't at all. That's exactly how I feel when any religious person threatens me with hell. I just use the other religious claim of hell to show them how nonsensical their assertions are.

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Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 9:13pm On Nov 05, 2017
Emmanystone:

I sense you are using reverse psychology, because reading here, believe me, you are more moronic than a child with down syndrome. No offence.

It remains your baseless and idiotic opinion.
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 9:16pm On Nov 05, 2017
DoctorAlien:


It seems you think that you only believe things that have not been proven, and that the presence of proof throws the need for belief out of the window, even though the definition of the word "belief" might suggest otherwise. Anyway, what do you have to say in relation to the spherical shape of the earth about those who, in the face of sufficient proof of the spherical shape of the earth, continue to proclaim that the earth is flat?

Are you not a young earth creationist? What's the difference btw you and those that believe in a flat earth? Despite all the sufficient proof to show that the universe is very old you still proclaim it's only 6000 years old. So what's the difference between you and them?

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Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 9:20pm On Nov 05, 2017
Emmanystone:

You mean Animals have the capacity to intentionally take actions that will bring activities in their immidiate environment under their control?

Wait, really?

Yes one of the effects of intentional states of consciousness is the ability to use tools. Many animals are able to use tools. I guess they are also made in the image and likeness of your God.
Re: Hello Heathens! by jimmyjenseng(m): 9:31pm On Nov 05, 2017
dalaman:


Yes one of the effects of intentional states of consciousness is the ability to use tools. Many animals are able to use tools. I guess they are also made in the image and likeness of your God.

The guy just weak me

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Re: Hello Heathens! by jimmyjenseng(m): 9:33pm On Nov 05, 2017
Emmanystone:

You mean Animals have the capacity to intentionally take actions that will bring activities in their immidiate environment under their control?

Wait, really?

Yup! Now answer the question.
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 9:36pm On Nov 05, 2017
jimmyjenseng:


Yup! Now answer the question.
Answer which question?

Pls mention an animal which has been able to Mentality and intentionally represented itself by taking concious and rational actions which positively or adveraely affected it's immidiate environment.

Lolzzzzzzzzzz, this guy.
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 9:38pm On Nov 05, 2017
dalaman:


Yes one of the effects of intentional states of consciousness is the ability to use tools. Many animals are able to use tools. I guess they are also made in the image and likeness of your God.
Use tools to do what? Pls show a video of these animals in their natural wild habitat using tools to affect their environment.


Pls which animal has been able to mentally repesent themselves?
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 9:40pm On Nov 05, 2017
dalaman:


It remains your baseless and idiotic opinion.
Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Look in the mirror.
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 9:50pm On Nov 05, 2017
dalaman:


So you ever lose sleep when a muslim tells you that you'll burn in hell for not accepting the Islamic stories? I bet you don't at all. That's exactly how I feel when any religious person threatens me with hell. I just use the other religious claim of hell to show them how nonsensical their assertions are.
Yes you do. You loose sleep a lot. If you ask me, you are figjting Insomia as a result.

When a Muslim tells me i'd go to Allah's hellfire, this is what i ask him, what will be the basis for allah sending me to his hellfire?

He tells me, allah requires that my Good Deeds should out weigh my bad Deeds.

That means allah will not have anything to hold against me because my faith teaches that all sins takes me to hellfire, and i must cleanse them all up which i have by taking up the righteousness which is in Christ. When i shall stand before Allah, the righteousness of Christ in me shall blind allah. With this i luagh and sleep on.

You never hear me banter Muslims on this, never.


But, you! Lolzzzzzz, you talk about hellfire more than me who believes in it.

If you laugh over hellfire, you won't be talking about it as often as you do. It scares the hit shi.t outa you cheesy
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 10:26pm On Nov 05, 2017
Emmanystone:

Yes you do. You loose sleep a lot. If you ask me, you are figjting Insomia as a result.

When a Muslim tells me i'd go to Allah's hellfire, this is what i ask him, what will be the basis for allah sending me to his hellfire?

He tells me, allah requires that my Good Deeds should out weigh my bad Deeds.

That means allah will not have anything to hold against me because my faith teaches that all sins takes me to hellfire, and i must cleanse them all up which i have by taking up the righteousness which is in Christ. When i shall stand before Allah, the righteousness of Christ in me shall blind allah. With this i luagh and sleep on.

You never hear me banter Muslims on this, never.


But, you! Lolzzzzzz, you talk about hellfire more than me who believes in it.

If you laugh over hellfire, you won't be talking about it as often as you do. It scares the hit shi.t outa you cheesy

Fiction and mythology scares you. It doesnt scare me. If am scared of hell I'll be a believer.

Hell remains a fictional place.
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 10:27pm On Nov 05, 2017
dalaman:


Fiction and mythology scares you. It doesnt scare me. If am scared of hell I'll be a believer.

Hell remains a fictional place.
Why then do you cry about it?
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 6:48am On Nov 06, 2017
Emmanystone:

Why then do you cry about it?

I only gave you an example how you turned that to crying remains your business.

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Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 9:13am On Nov 06, 2017
dalaman:


I only gave you an example how you turned that to crying remains tour business.
My point is, when you are in a discussion with a Christian about YHWH, maintain your stance as an atheist, running around gathering other gods to make your point makes you look unserious.


And, give the hellfire scare a rest if you are not afraid of it.
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 11:45am On Nov 06, 2017
Emmanystone:

My point is, when you are in a discussion with a Christian about YHWH, maintain your stance as an atheist, running around gathering other gods to make your point makes you look unserious.


And, give the hellfire scare a rest if you are not afraid of it.
I've asked you many questions and you've refused to answer any. My use of other religions is to show you that any body can also make empty claims, after all your religion isn't the one that is good at making empty claims other religions do that as well.

Why should I be scared of fiction? If I were scared of hell I'll be a believer.
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 11:46am On Nov 06, 2017
dalaman:

I've asked you many questions and you've refused to answer any. My use of other religions is to show you that any body can also make empty claims, after all your religion isn't the one that is good at making empty claims other religions do that as well.

Why should I be scared of fiction? If I were scared of hell I'll be a believer.
You asked me questions? Pls redirect me to them.
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 11:53am On Nov 06, 2017
Emmanystone:

You asked me questions? Pls redirect me to them.

You claimed that man is made in the image and likeness of God and I asked you this:

dalaman:


When and where did God tell you personally that man is made in his likeness? Did you see his likeness to confirm that man is made in his likeness?
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 12:33pm On Nov 06, 2017
dalaman:


You claimed that man is made in the image and likeness of God and I asked you this:

He didn't need to tell me personally before i believe Him. The Bible told me so and reading the accounts and following events up till today, a whole lot falls into place, so i believe Him.

He also told me about you and here you are, for this, i believe Him more.
Re: Hello Heathens! by dalaman: 12:55pm On Nov 06, 2017
Emmanystone:

He didn't need to tell me personally before i believe Him. The Bible told me so and reading the accounts and following events up till today, a whole lot falls into place, so i believe Him.

He also told me about you and here you are, for this, i believe Him more.

The bible is just the writings and opinions of others that lacks total evidence. So you believe it without any evidence. Why dot you believe in Otem's Dofuctus? He claims he got it from the ultimate God. It is also in writing just like the bible.
Re: Hello Heathens! by Nobody: 1:00pm On Nov 06, 2017
Emmanystone:

He didn't need to tell me personally before i believe Him. The Bible told me so and reading the accounts and following events up till today, a whole lot falls into place, so i believe Him.

He also told me about you and here you are, for this, i believe Him more.

grin

https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/positive-symptoms-of-schizophrenia-the-psychotic-dimension/

Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 1:25pm On Nov 06, 2017
dalaman:


The bible is just the writings and opinions of others that lacks total evidence. So you believe it without any evidence. Why dot you believe in Otem's Dofuctus? He claims he got it from the ultimate God. It is also in writing just like the bible.
Let me tell you why i believe in the Bible and maybe you shd tell me why i shd believe in what Otem claims afterwards.

The Bible says God created the Universe and in the universe, he put the Sun to give it's light by Day, the Moon and stars to give their lights by night. And their purpose is to cause seasons. And He said, no one can change these course.
Nothing has ever been able to change the course.

When it's day, the sun comes out, and at night the moon and stars. If someone or something else can alter that course, then i'll doubt God.

Secondly, the Bible told me that God created man in his image, and likeness. I lost a friend recently. He slept and didn't wake up. He lived alone so no one knew he had died until 4days. Decomposition had started taking place. His lifeless body was without consciousnesses. It could not longer function and interact with this realm, the real him was gone out of his body.

Considering this, i believe the God who said, When he took clay and moulded it, it was lying on the ground lifeless, until he breath into it, it became the living soul, got up and began to move.

Although, Man had become a living soul, but without a mind, which is his consciousness, he won't be able to take rational and intentional decisions which will enable him represent himself and affect his immediate environment. Hence, God imputed into him His likeness.

I see that only humans have this attributes so, i believe what the Bibles says.

Thirdly. The Bible says, God created all things, Man, Animals and Plants to reproduce according to their kind. And it has been so. As much as we have different species of Mango, one doesn't reproduce the other, so also animals and Man.


God created man, male and female for the purpose of procreation. He commanded them to have kids and fill the earth with their kind. And i am told that Adam knew his wife(Had sex) and she got pregnant and had Cain and Able and Seth down to me, looking like him.

Till today, children are still being brought into the world by taking a part of a woman and that of a man and bring them together. No other way.

Women still go through 9 months gestation period for the baby to mature, not less. Labour pains is still everyone woman's ordeal as Genesis said.

Everything still depart out of this earth by dying according to the Bible. Why shd i wait until God appears standing before me before i believe Him?


Now call Otem up to tell me what his Doctofus says about his beliefs.
I'm waiting up.
Re: Hello Heathens! by Emmanystone: 1:55pm On Nov 06, 2017
Re: Hello Heathens! by Nobody: 2:33pm On Nov 06, 2017
Emmanystone:
Lolzzz. What have you said?
The emboldened part of your comment sounds weird. it is not normal.

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