Patchesagain:

I cant be any more direct

Henry120:

So the claims you and mikeza have been making over makopa missiles in SANDF service are all lies?

This is what i asked you. Answer it.

Patchesagain:

Old website buddy

I know you love outdated information. But this is pathetic

Yes.

Can we say the Torgos cruise missile is in development,when we all know it currently in the freezer.

Can we also say the Umbani glide bomb is on development,when we know it is operational and sold to some country? Rebranded as the Al tariq.

Henry120:



This is what i asked you. Answer it.

No they are not

It is in service

Since patchesagain, patches689 is too ashamed to answer the question, MikeZA, please answer this question.

Henry120:

So the claims you and mikeza have been making over makopa missiles in SANDF service are all lies?

Henry120: Since patchesagain, patches689 is too ashamed to answer the question, MikeZA, please answer this question.

Are you blind?

Its been answered

Patchesagain:

No they are not

It is in service

So Janes defence and SAAF website are all telling lies?

Henry120:

So Janes defence and SAAF website are all telling lies?

No

They are in service

But we dont keep any, because we dont need them at this point in time.

That is the benefit of building your own missiles.

Patchesagain:

Are you blind?

Its been answered

No need getting emotional over this.

So, you're saying IHS Janes and SAAF website are telling lies?

You actually have makopa ATGM's in service, like you've been claiming over the past months?

Patchesagain:

We dont need Makopa to smash your old Vickers MBT

Your T-72's and T-84's dont exist

bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... now that you've been caught lying you don't neex it anymore ba?

you people think Nigerians are as dull as you?

no wonder no one wants to buy that over priced metal.

MikeZA: You increased from one to two? That quick?

Meaning you really don't how many Badgers SA has.

The missile variant carries 4 missiles: 2 for each.

Badger IFV has 2 prototypes. The IFV is NOT yet in service with SANDF....proved and accepted by even @Andrewza.

Badger IFV does NOT exist in South African army armoury, we know that from your Army's official news website and Denel

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Henry120:

No need getting emotional over this.

So, you're saying IHS Janes and SAAF website are telling lies?

You actually have makopa ATGM's in service, like you've been claiming over the past months?

Dude, the question has been answered.

Is this going to be another data-link episode?

Patchesagain:

No

They are in service

But we dont keep any, because we dont need them at this point in time.

That is the benefit of building your own missiles.

No, as in IHS janes and SAAF are telling lies?

chris365:

bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... now that you've been caught lying you don't neex it anymore ba?

you people think Nigerians are as dull as you?

no wonder no one wants to buy that over priced metal.

Feel free to point out where I was lying.

MikeZA: Were lying to us about Valour class frigates?

Yes or No.

Before we can go forward.

mr man shut up and prove what you claim you can. abi na empty noise you dey make since?

agaugust:

Badger IFV has 2 prototypes. The IFV is NOT yet in service with SANDF....proved and accepted by even @Andrewza.

Badger IFV does NOT exist in South African army armoury, we know that from your Army's official news website and Denel

.

Its more real than your T-84 and T-72

chris365:

bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... now that you've been caught lying you don't neex it anymore ba?

you people think Nigerians are as dull as you?

no wonder no one wants to buy that over priced metal.

Apparently so.

Henry120:

No, as in IHS janes and SAAF are telling lies?

No as in you seem to be unable to tell the difference between "in service" and "in use"

We build them.
They have been integrated.
We buy them when we need them.

Patchesagain:

Nope, outdated info

The Makopa has been integrated, but not purchased.

There is no need for it. If the need arises, they can be armed and operated with ease.

[size=14pt]Finally, South Africans admit they have NO SINGLE MOKOPA anti-tank missile

Rooivalk dedicated attack helicopter CANNOT attack enemy tanks

No wonder ! UN had to send Ukranian and Indian Mi-35 Hinds to lead the Rooivalk into combat in Congo DRC !

Now the real truth has come out oooooo !!!

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Patchesagain:

Dude, the question has been answered.

Is this going to be another data-link episode?

Sorry, no question has been answered.

You(patches689) and MikeZA have been claiming all along you have makopa missiles in SANDF service. You've posted multiple photos to back up this fraudulent claim.


However, According to IHS janes and SAAF, SANDF has no makopa missile in service.


So, we(everyone on this thread), wants to know who actually between you guys (mike and patches) and IHS janes defence and SAAF are telling lies?

It's as simple as this.

agaugust:

[size=14pt]Finally, South Africans admit they have NO SINGLE MOKOPA anti-tank missile

Rooivalk dedicated attack helicopter CANNOT attack enemy tanks

No wonder ! UN had to send Ukranian and Indian Mi-35 Hinds to lead the Rooivalk into combat in Congo DRC !

Now the real truth has come out oooooo !!!

.[/size]

Makopa is intergrated

The Rooivalk can kill all known MBT's

Henry120:

NO, Janes defence corroborates the story.


Or all of a sudden, like the photos, IHS janes defence, shouldn't also be trusted?

One moment you say you need photos, the next, you claim photos aren't needed.

Again you claim janes is a trustworthy source, the next they can't be trusted.


The makopa missiles have never been in SANDF service, but you guys were all about the thread claiming you have them in service. So what has now happened?

Only God knows how many lies these South Africans have told us here since 2012....huge frauds we will never find out all of them !

All the weaknesses we have been hearing are ALL true...

The 6 only combat qualified Gripen jet pilots.

The one only single submarine.

The two only Valour frigates.

The 39km range only G-6 and G-5 artillery.

Zimbabwe will roast South Africa in battle

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Henry120:

NO, Janes defence corroborates the story.


Or all of a sudden, like the photos, IHS janes defence, shouldn't also be trusted?

One moment you say you need photos, the next, you claim photos aren't needed.

Again you claim janes is a trustworthy source, the next they can't be trusted.


The makopa missiles have never been in SANDF service, but you guys were all about the thread claiming you have them in service. So what has now happened?

[size=14pt]

Janes defense also says SANDF-SAAF needs 36 Rooivalks for their country and army's size, but only bought 12 because they had no money!

Also proves that many of the Rooivalk avionics are not made in South Africa, not only the engine, rotor, gun, rockets....most of Rooivalk parts were imported from Europe....Only the body-air frame and tyres are really South African....they cannot control the use and export of the Rooivalk, the Europeans dictate to them what they must not do...

"The original intention had been to build 36 Rooivalks for the SAAF, but that was cut to just 12 when defence funding was slashed after 1990. Despite good reviews from potential customers, no export orders emerged, largely because the SAAF had not taken the helicopter into full service due to funding shortfalls. A possible Turkish order was thwarted by a foreign supplier that refused to supply a critical component."

http://www.janes.com/article/36210/south-africa-s-defence-minister-calls-for-rooivalk-line-to-be-reopened[/size]

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Henry120:

Sorry, no question has been answered.

You(patches689) and MikeZA have been claiming all along you have makopa missiles in SANDF service. You've posted multiple photos to back up this fraudulent claim.


However, According to IHS janes and SAAF, SANDF has no makopa missile in service.


So, we(everyone on this thread), wants to know who actually between you guys (mike and patches) and IHS janes defence and SAAF are telling lies?

It's as simple as this.

I am not going to repeat myself over and over

In service
Not currently in use

When they are needed they are purchased.

agaugust:

Only God knows how many lies these South Africans have told us here since 2012....huge frauds we will never find out all of them !

All the weaknesses we have been hearing are ALL true...

The 6 only Gripen jet pilots.

The one only single submarine.

The two only Valour frigates.

The 39km range only G-6 and G-5 artillery.

Zimbabwe will roast South Africa in battle

.

18 Gripen Pilots, 52 Hawks Pilots - confirmed

All 3 submarines currently operational

3 Frigates operational, 4th undergoing routine maintenance

G-6 has been tested to over 70km

G-5 over 50km

All this has been proven beyond doubt

Patchesagain:

No as in you seem to be unable to tell the difference between "in service" and "in use"

We build them.
They have been integrated.
We buy them when we need them.

I did not make any fraudulent claim, you've been claiming all along you have makopa missiles in service.

Infact to back-up your fraudulent claim, you called the SAAF source old.

Patchesagain:

Old website buddy

I know you love outdated information. But this is pathetic

Isn't this your moniker?

agaugust:


The 6 only Gripen jet pilots.



.

Whatever you say

Henry120:



I did not make any fraudulent claim, you've been claiming all along you have makopa missiles in service.

Infact to back-up your fraudulent claim, you called the SAAF source old.





Isn't this your moniker?

It is in service

And no, first that is not the SAAF website.
Second, yes, that webpage is old.

Patchesagain:

Whatever you say

8 pilots can take off and land, ONLY 6 Gripen pilots qualify for combat operation
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Henry120: Since patchesagain, patches689 is too ashamed to answer the question, MikeZA, please answer this question.

what claim? You can quote.

agaugust:

8 pilots can take off and land, ONLY 6 Gripen pilots qualify for combat operation
.

Lol, first you said we only had 6 pilots... now you change your story? Pfft, low quality trolling on your part

We have 18 qualified Gripen pilots - Confirmed by the head of the Air-Force
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821:saaf-says-gripens-being-rotated-not-stored&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Henry120:

So Janes defence and SAAF website are all telling lies?

That's the unofficial SAAF website ran by Dean.

I'm a regular on his forum.

agaugust:

Only God knows how many lies these South Africans have told us here since 2012....huge frauds we will never find out all of them !

All the weaknesses we have been hearing are ALL true...

The 6 only Gripen jet pilots.

The one only single submarine.

The two only Valour frigates.

The 39km range only G-6 and G-5 artillery.

Zimbabwe will roast South Africa in battle

.

We would never know the number of lies, they've been telling........ LOL


However, on this makopa, they've been caught pants down.

My pastor used to say, 99 days for the thief, and one day for the owner of the house.

He apparently is so right.