Patchesagain:


Those numbers are straight up fraudulent

Makopa can be fired at any distance up to 10km, the Army Cheif did not complain about the Makopa's use for us - he was referring to other underdeveloped countries

Artillery generally fights at long range

FH-77B has a maximum range of only 30,000 m when using advanced HEER Ammunition - which you do not have. Your actual maximum range with standard ammunition is 24km

G5 and G6 have maximum ranged in excess of 55km

Nigerian Army cannot encirlce a high-mobility army like the SANDF. They cannot even encircle towns held by Boko Haram.

You do not need battle-experience to know how to fire your artillery peice - just training (nigeria has very little)

7 Killer blows to your entire post.

NEXT!

Yes Next...

The numbers you call fraud include your South African trusted source DefenceWeb

SAAF chief did not say foreign armies, he said ARMIES are not comfortable with Mokopa useless range that is not practicable, and ARMIES include SANDF.

Boko Haram lives surrounded in any city they invade, Nigeria surrounds them, that's why they keep getting uprooted and flee from town to town, Damboa, Konduga, Mubi....Boko keeps running and abandoning their proclaimed Islamic caliphate, they leave their 'kingdom' when Nigerian army begins slaughter by fire.


Base Bleed Bofors range is 41km, ownership of base bleed is common and arms sales logs don't care record it.

Extended range Excalibur for Bofors has range 60km.

South African army like Nigerian army have base bleed, but both armies have no rocket assist shells in service.

SANDF G-6 and G-5 base bleed range is 38km, while Nigeria is 41km. We beat you on shell range and numbers of guns.

You have to live with these facts even though they hurt and haunt you daily

CASE CLOSED

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agaugust:


Nigerian army is 130,000 regular and 32,000 reserves before new massive recruitment for Boko war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Army

Current regular Nigerian army is 150,000 and add reserves we have 182,000 men.

Add Air force and Navy, Nigeria has over 200,000 men while South Africa is dwarfed with your manpower shortage at 72,000 men including all regular and reserves.

Nigerian army will completely surround SANDF and cage you and squeeze you into the center like rats caught in a mouse trap

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Nigeria's reserve forces are non existent. They are not a regular reserve force with salaries and independent military bases. Ever since reserve forces in the world held competition, Nigeria has never took part at all.


Your link, read

The Nigerian Army (NA) is the largest
component of Nigerian Armed Forces , with
130,000 active frontline personal and 32,000



NAF = Army+ Navy+AirForce.

NighttWalker:
Actually its thanks to your cuz I had to include Al Jezeera in my search to get the right result, thanks a lot and BTW telling from the AKs and Mags in the video I don't think they are a big threat to Egypt, just that they know how to lay bobby traps

They ran over an FOB. They've been actively operating in the sinai and the rest of Egypt for a good number of years. They only stepped up their attacks after the islamist president morsi was deposed.

Of course, Egypt would eventually overrun them, but at the moment a pose a pretty significant threat.

lezz:
your HIV army don't even have enough fuel to route Lagos to and fro.

This very SAAF Hercules C130 flew from Pretoria to Lagos and back.

You Fail

Henry120:


Your Sub only returned into service after 7years at the docks.

You only have enough sailors to man 2 Frigates. Pathetic.

You only got 8 pilots for your Gripen jet, of which you lack the money or fuel to run them.

"The government's jets are part of the SAAF, so post that your fraudulent link somewhere else."

Nope your Augusta helicopters are mouth-bowled. Posting a photo here of an Augusta, and another photo there proves absolutely nothing.


You deployed nothing to directly to deal with poaching, apart from soldiers, special forces, American Navy seals, helicopters, MRAPs.

Yup, you deployed nothing.

Henry120:


You Sub only returned into service after 7years at the docks.

You only have enough sailors to man 2 Frigates. Pathetic.

You only got 8 pilots for your Gripen jet, of which you lack the money or fuel to run them.

"The government's jets are part of the SAAF, so post that your fraudulent link somewhere else."

Nope your Augusta helicopters are mouth-bowled. Posting a photo here of an Augusta, and another photo there proves absolutely nothing.


You deployed nothing to directly to deal with poaching, about from soldiers, special forces, American Navy seals, helicopters, MRAPs.

Yup, you deployed nothing.

Yes, because we did a complete overhaul of our submarine by ourselves - you cannot even overhaul the aradu

Because that is what we planned with the vessels, if you knew anything about naval vessels you would know the 1/3 rule of thumb (for every one at sea, two are in maintenance). We have one operational, one being "run up" or used for training, one undergoing maintenance and one undergoing re-fit. And every year, all 4 put to sea for the fleet reveiw - how do we sail ships without crew?

The fact that nigeria has ZERO operational frigates is what is pathetic.

14 Gripen fully operational, means a minimum of 18 Pilots. Air-force budgeted for 20 000 hours of fly time. 18 000 used. Meaning we have a fuel excess.

Augusta squadrons are fully operational. They were briefly grounded pending the outcome of a crash investigation (standard procedure). The man who said they were mothballed sayed they were mothballed in a Cape Town hanger, yet the squadron that operates them is in Pretoria (pic related -"mothballed" Augusta)

We didnt deploy soldiers, MRAP's or Navy seals. I have no idea where you get this nonsense from.

Yet again, you can stick to your imaginary machinations all you want.

But facts are facts. And factually speaking, you are wrong.

PS: you are the one who allways demands pictures, so here you go, Augusta operational, all 4 frigates at sea.

agaugust:


Base Bleed Bofors range is 41km, ownership of base bleed is common and arms sales logs don't care record it.

Extended range Excalibur for Bofors has range 60km.

South African army like Nigerian army have base bleed, but both armies have no rocket assist shells in service.

SANDF G-6 and G-5 base bleed range is 38km, while Nigeria is 41km. We beat you on shell range and numbers of guns.

You have to live with these facts even though they hurt and haunt you daily

CASE CLOSED

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Hey chucklefuck

Your own source says that you have a max range of 38km

1km short of your 39km.

And, until you show us Nigerian base-bleed. You have none. Hence, max range of only 24km.

Thats it, the matter is closed.

Patchesagain:


Please, we have two world wars, korea and Angola under our belts

Nigeria's last semi-conventional war was in the 1960's

Nigeria has never faced a well armed and equipped enemy

Liberia and Sierra-Leone were not UN, and they were both massive failures.

Eat that : The Liberia mission was
predominantly funded and executed by Nigeria “on a conflict that did not directly affect its own
security, at a time when its 1995 foreign debt
stood at $35 billion,” hence the conclusion that,
“No Western nation, especially following the
Somalia intervention, could match such
commitment.”[xlvii] Nigeria accounted for over 70% of the force and 80% of the funding
expending about $11 billion in the process.[xlviii]

agaugust:



Yes Next...

The numbers you call fraud include your South African trusted source DefenceWeb

SAAF chief did not say foreign armies, he said ARMIES are not comfortable with Mokopa useless range that is not practicable, and ARMIES include SANDF.

Boko Haram lives surrounded in any city they invade, Nigeria surrounds them, that's why they keep getting uprooted and flee from town to town, Damboa, Konduga, Mubi....Boko keeps running and abandoning their proclaimed Islamic caliphate, they leave their 'kingdom' when Nigerian army begins slaughter by fire.


Base Bleed Bofors range is 41km, ownership of base bleed is common and arms sales logs don't care record it.

Extended range Excalibur for Bofors has range 60km.

South African army like Nigerian army have base bleed, but both armies have no rocket assist shells in service.

SANDF G-6 and G-5 base bleed range is 38km, while Nigeria is 41km. We beat you on shell range and numbers of guns.

You have to live with these facts even though they hurt and haunt you daily

CASE CLOSED

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Blah blah blah

Nigeria has no base-bleed

FH77B 40Km+ range is only achievable at high altitude with VLAP

South Africa makes VLAP ammunition, so if we want it we have it.

Your max range is 24km. Ours is 39km.

Finished en klaar

And no, our SAAF chief was not talking about the SANDF. Repost the quote.

lezz:
Eat that : The Liberia mission was
predominantly funded and executed by Nigeria “on a conflict that did not directly affect its own
security, at a time when its 1995 foreign debt
stood at $35 billion,” hence the conclusion that,
“No Western nation, especially following the
Somalia intervention, could match such
commitment.”[xlvii] Nigeria accounted for over 70% of the force and 80% of the funding
expending about $11 billion in the process.[xlviii]

So not only was it a fuckup

It was an expensive fuckup


Nice

Patchesagain:


Wikipedia

4 000 mean faced 150 000 men in Angola.... and yet the 4 000 came of tops year after year

You big slow formations cannot handle our maneuver warfare, and will make a nice target for our superior artillery and air-power

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Lies ! Lies !! Lies !!!

No where in modern war has 4,000 men fought against 150,000 men and survived in heavy ratio 1:35

300 SANDF ran away from 1,500 Seleka rebels in C.A.R. in only ratio 1:5

Angolan bush war was 4,000 SADF frontline, 18,000 SADF rear-guard near home lines, and 120,000 UNITA army frontline beside the 4,000 SADF, shows that the war was actually the work of 120,000 UNITA rebels of Angola, SADF was NOT able to fight the war alone.

South African army NEVER fights war alone, always needs help from another better army

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Henry120:


They ran over an FOB. They've been actively operating in the sinai and the rest of Egypt for a good number of years. They only stepped up their attacks after the islamist president morsi was deposed.

Of course, Egypt would eventually overrun them, but at the moment a pose a pretty significant threat.

Egypt should have wiped this guys out of existence with the military hardware they get from the US worth $1 billion every year, wanna sleep its 1pm here and I have class tomorrow and BTW as much as I hate the SANDF and NA argument I'm actually enjoying it, just don't take this outside the thread or begin to develop hate amongst yourselves or the Country, we are all brothers....Goodnight guys

agaugust:


Lies ! Lies !! Lies !!!

No where in modern war has 4,000 men fought and 150,000 men and survived.

300 SANDF ran away from 1,500 Seleka rebels in C.A.R.

Angolan bush war was 4,000 SADF frontline, 18,000 SANDF rear-guard near home lines, and 120,000 UNITA army frontline beside the 4,000 SADF, shows that the war was actually the work of 120,000 UNITA rebels of Angola, SANDF was NOT able to fight the war alone

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[size=15pt]More lies Exposed[/size]

[size=15pt]UNITA had a maximum number of only 65 000 in 1990 (we had left by then)[/size]
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yNemVdadVxcC&pg=PA562&lpg=PA562&dq=UNITA+forces+65,000&source=bl&ots=7HjtLpBMfz&sig=HJiARq5j3QPKDYBLhGdvd8pj7po&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tog7UbaUG4uS7AbtroBQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=UNITA%20forces%2065%2C000&f=false

And 4000 men face 150 000 and survived for 25 years... winning every single battle

We only deployed 4 000 men as that is all we needed to whoop the MPLA and Cubans. We send more when what is there is winning?

Ps: I love it how the number of SANDF in CAR grows every time you mention it... in a few years you will be saying there was a whole Division of SANDF in the CAR

ActivateKruger:


Yet you fail to provide an evidence...troll-on.

The development of mechanisms for Africa’s
peace and security, informed by increasing
security interdependence and vulnerabilities, is
largely driven by key African states. Egypt, Nigeria,
and South Africa are considered states with
prospects for regional leadership.[xxiv] While Egypt’s influence is more notable in the Arab
world, South Africa and Nigeria are more central
to cotemporary African diplomacy. Both nations’
sub-regional activities led to their categorization
as regional hegemons. But their clear lack of
overriding economic, political and military capacity to influence their regions’ relations
invalidate such conclusions. Rather both are
‘pivotal states’ in view of their disproportionate
capacity relative to their sub-regional neighbours. [xxv] However, South Africa is a latecomer in the African struggle for peaceful order and
sustainable development, considering its
apartheid history.

[size=14pt]In the meantime......[/size]

ActivateKruger:


This very SAAF Hercules C130 flew from Pretoria to Lagos and back.

You Fail

a fool and a thief.

[size=15pt]A round up of the weeks lies as told by Augubgugug

1. China developed a new wire-guided ATGM in the 2000's
2. Biafran civil war involved 500 000 men
3. Nigeria has 660 feild guns
4. UNITA had 120 000 men
5. 300 SANDF fought in CAR
6. Nigeria has Base-Bleed 155mm shells

Isnt this the same guy who left the thread after accusing us South Africans of telling lies? [/size]

Patchesagain:


So not only was it a fuckup

It was an expensive fuckup


Nice

your opinion which don't count.

That was a war that enshrined Nigeria's military capabilities and legacy. Next.

Patchesagain:


Blah blah blah

Nigeria has no base-bleed

FH77B 40Km+ range is only achievable at high altitude with VLAP

South Africa makes VLAP ammunition, so if we want it we have it.

Your max range is 24km. Ours is 39km.

Finished en klaar

And no, our SAAF chief was not talking about the SANDF. Repost the quote.

The post is from South Africa, so you quote it here as a repeat.


Show me where VLAP for Bofors FH-77B is said to be 41km.

The Indian army made NO mention of any shell apart from standard and base bleed in the official video.

VLAP for Bofors is Excalibur and range is 60km .

"The range of the gun is extended to 60 km with the precision-guided Raytheon/Bofors XM982 Excalibur round. The Excalibur shell is corrected in flight towards a pre-programmed trajectory by a GPS guidance system." Wikipedia.


At altitude means what? Gun is towed to mountain top? Last time you posted helicopter airlifting artillery, is that a tow? Helicopter is air force, show us a modern army towing artillery to mountain top to deploy there.

You lost again, as you always do, bobo loser
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Patchesagain:
A round up of the weeks lies as told by Augubgugug

1. China developed a new wire-guided ATGM in the 2000's
2. Biafran civil war involved 500 000 men
3. Nigeria has 660 feild guns
4. UNITA had 120 000 men
5. 300 SANDF fought in CAR
6. Nigeria has Base-Bleed 155mm shells

Isnt this the same guy who left the thread after accusing us South Africans of telling lies?

[size=14pt]Try prove me wrong if you can [/size]
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agaugust:


The post is from South Africa, so you quote it here as a repeat.


Show me where VLAP for Bofors FH-77B is said to be 41km.

The Indian army made NO mention of any shell apart from standard and base bleed in the official video.

VLAP for Bofors is Excalibur and range is 60km .

"The range of the gun is extended to 60 km with the precision-guided Raytheon/Bofors XM982 Excalibur round. The Excalibur shell is corrected in flight towards a pre-programmed trajectory by a GPS guidance system." Wikipedia.


At altitude means what? Gun is towed to mountain top? Last time you posted helicopter airlifting artillery, is that a tow? Helicopter is air force, show us a modern army towing artillery to mountain top to deploy there.

You lost again, as you always do, bobo loser
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So you are saying you have Excalibur now?

[size=15pt]And, again, you are telling lies. The 60km range is acheived with the Archer FH77 BW L52. Not the FH77B gun!!

YET ANOTHER LIE TO ADD TO THE LIST!![/size]

And why do you specifically want pictures of a gun towed up a mountain top? I have already shown you guns can be moved up there.

But if you insist, here you go, pic related, Indian Bofors FH77B in the Himalaya's - a.k.a HIGH ALTITUDE

Argument Status:

[ ] Intact
[ ] Damaged
[ ] Destroyed
[X] Obliterated

agaugust:


[size=14pt]Try prove me wrong if you can [/size]
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Proved them all wrong already.

Hence I can say that they are lies.

[size=15pt]A [updated] round up of the weeks lies as told by Augubgugug

1. China developed a new wire-guided ATGM in the 2000's
2. Biafran civil war involved 500 000 men
3. Nigeria has 660 feild guns
4. UNITA had 120 000 men
5. 300 SANDF fought in CAR
6. Nigeria has Base-Bleed 155mm shells
7. Bofors FH77B with Excalibur munitions can acheive a range of 60km

Isnt this the same guy who left the thread after accusing us South Africans of telling lies?[/size]

lezz:
a fool and a thief.

Buhahahahah....

Patchesagain:


More lies Exposed[/size]

[size=15pt]UNITA had a maximum number of only 65 000 in 1990 (we had left by then)[/size]
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yNemVdadVxcC&pg=PA562&lpg=PA562&dq=UNITA+forces+65,000&source=bl&ots=7HjtLpBMfz&sig=HJiARq5j3QPKDYBLhGdvd8pj7po&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tog7UbaUG4uS7AbtroBQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=UNITA%20forces%2065%2C000&f=false

And 4000 men face 150 000 and survived for 25 years... winning every single battle

We only deployed 4 000 men as that is all we needed to whoop the MPLA and Cubans. We send more when what is there is winning?

Ps: I love it how the number of SANDF in CAR grows every time you mention it... in a few years you will be saying there was a whole Division of SANDF in the CAR

[size=14pt]UNITA joined forces with FNLA that had over 20,000 soldiers to add to UNITA

SADF was counted at 20,000 men, total with UNITA and FNLA is over 100,000 already.

You were the one telling lies that 4,000 SADF defeated 150,000 MPLA and Cubans

Go read history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War

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agaugust:


[size=14pt]UNITA joined forces with FNLA that had over 20,000 soldiers to add to UNITA

SADF was counted at 20,000 men, total with UNITA and FNLA is over 100,000 already.

You were the one telling lies that 4,000 SADF defeated 150,000 MPLA and Cubans

Go read history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War

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Still quoting wikipedia?

Brah, UNITA numbers were 60 000 - from a real citation
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yNemVdadVxcC&pg=PA562&lpg=PA562&dq=UNITA+forces+65,000&source=bl&ots=7HjtLpBMfz&sig=HJiARq5j3QPKDYBLhGdvd8pj7po&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tog7UbaUG4uS7AbtroBQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=UNITA%20forces%2065%2C000&f=false


And 60 000 + 20 000 =/= 120 000

Remember, you said 120 000 UNITA forces? Must I quote where you said that again to remind you?

And you were the one who said 4000 SADF, not me.

Your argument is collapsing in on itself.


Twist and turn all you want, your lies are on record for all to see

Patchesagain:
[size=15pt]A [updated] round up of the weeks lies as told by Augubgugug

1. China developed a new wire-guided ATGM in the 2000's
2. Biafran civil war involved 500 000 men
3. Nigeria has 660 feild guns
4. UNITA had 120 000 men
5. 300 SANDF fought in CAR
6. Nigeria has Base-Bleed 155mm shells
7. Bofors FH77B with Excalibur munitions can acheive a range of 60km

Isnt this the same guy who left the thread after accusing us South Africans of telling lies?[/size]

you're still the one who peddles lies and twisted stats like hot patotatoes

lezz:


you're still the one who peddles lies and twisted stats like hot patotatoes

Feel free to debunk them.

Patchesagain:


So you are saying you have Excalibur now?

And, again, you are telling lies. The 60km range is acheived with the Archer FH77 BW L52. Not the FH77B gun!![/b]

YET ANOTHER LIE TO ADD TO THE LIST!![/size]

And why do you specifically want pictures of a gun towed up a mountain top? I have already shown you guns can be moved up there.

But if you insist, here you go, pic related, Indian Bofors FH77B in the Himalaya's - a.k.a HIGH ALTITUDE

Show me Indian artillery on Himalayas mountain top, fired from there, yet the guns tyres did not roll down mountain steep slope

Bofors FH-77B fires same series of shells as Bofors Archer including Excalibur 60km range.

The 60km is not the gun, but the shell that carries rocket assistance, the extra rocket is not on the gun, its on the shell....fool

All videos of Indian army shows the Bofors on flat ground, not on steep slippery sliding snow covered mountain slope....fool

They were on ground and fired into mountains to dislodge Pakistani army that occupied disputed mountains....fool

[img]http://www.bcmtouring.com/forum/attachments/p1080147.jpg-174494d1310496880[/img]

agaugust:


Show me how India towed artillery to Himalayas mountain top and fired it from there, yet the guns tyres did not roll down the mountain steep slope

Bofors FH-77B fires same series of shells as Bofors Archer.

The thing is not the gun, but the shell that carries rocket assistance, the extra rocket is not on the gun, its on the shell....fool

All videos of Indian army shows the Bofors on flat ground, not on steep slippery sliding snow covered mountain slope....fool

They were on ground and fired into mountains to dislodge Pakistani army that occupied disputed mountains....fool

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This is beyond desperate on your part.

The gun is clearly seen in the Himalayas mountain range. The Himalayas have an average elevation of 6,100m. This is known as high altitude. Just for reference, the highest point in Africa is 5,895 meters.

Why you are talking about slopes and such is beyond me.

No, the FH77B and Archer do not fire the same ammunition. I know exactly what VLAP is and I never said it had anything to do with the gun.

The Archer has the L52 designation meaning that it has a 52 liter chamber. This is significantly bigger than the chamber of the FH77B. The bigger chamber allows the firing of bigger shells. The shells need to be bigger so that you can attach the VLAP system.

Yet again, you are having a big fat argument with someone, and yet you have no idea what you are saying.

Patchesagain:


Still quoting wikipedia?

Brah, UNITA numbers were 60 000 - from a real citation
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yNemVdadVxcC&pg=PA562&lpg=PA562&dq=UNITA+forces+65,000&source=bl&ots=7HjtLpBMfz&sig=HJiARq5j3QPKDYBLhGdvd8pj7po&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tog7UbaUG4uS7AbtroBQ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=UNITA%20forces%2065%2C000&f=false


And 60 000 + 20 000 =/= 120 000

Remember, you said 120 000 UNITA forces? Must I quote where you said that again to remind you?

And you were the one who said 4000 SADF, not me.

Your argument is collapsing in on itself.


Twist and turn all you want, your lies are on record for all to see

I didnt care about exact numbers, because its an old old argument I have posted before, there are many different sources and I dont care to waste my time on it after 2 years os repeating the same old story. UNITA had FNLA joined together with them, UNITA was not alone, I just didnt care to list names of all those in the war. I dont have time for trivial issues and repeating old stories like a stammerer.


All I proved is SANDF 4,000 men did not fight 150,000 MPLA and Cubans, or else the Cubans will capture Cape Town in 7 days

You posted a big and unrealistic lie and I crushed it with one blow, now you are butt hurt.
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Patchesagain:


The gun is clearly seen in the Himalayas mountain range. The Himalayas have an average elevation of 6,100m. This is known as high altitude. Just for reference, the highest point in Africa is 5,895 meters.

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#Show me photo of Indian Bofors artillery gun on Himalayas mountain TOP

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