MikeCZAR:
That's part of any professional force.

SA has a well drilled military machine, backed and oiled by the most advanced defence industry in Africa.

oops

EVarn:
you are quite an interesting entity.by your post,i can deduce that you are a young military man,perhaps in you late 20s/early 30s,ranking between a corporal to lieutenant,you seem nice and accomodating,but you're quite timid and pretentious.you are curious,but cautious{overly so}.you definitely have ambitions,but you reluctant in getting it the dirty way.so,tell me,mr gottfried,was i right in my predictions?.anyways,i would love your opinions on matters of discussion on this thread,if you are who you imply to be,then they would prove to be quite educative and informative.

Almost,Ex military now Law enforcement(VIP Directorate,Much cooler ) Late 20'sWas a Lance corporal during my service in the military but now I am a recently promoted Warrent Officer Class 2,Will Gladly contribute to my areas of expertise

gottfried21:
Almost,Ex military now Law enforcement(VIP Directorate,Much cooler ) Late 20'sWas a Lance corporal during my service in the military but now I am a recently promoted Warrent Officer Class 2,Will Gladly contribute to my areas of expertise

hmm...i guess i'm getting a hang on my detective skill then....it is not paramount that you get the accurate data file of the target at once,if you're able to get a rough sketch....then you are good to go.anyway mr gottfried{and i certainly hope you dont get fried before we meet again.lol},i await your magnanimous contributions that promises to be enlightening,especially regarding "your area of expertise".
NB: congratulations on your promotion.you seem diligent enough.

mzilakazi:
You will see exactly how. This is SA.

attempting to single-handedly fund such a project denotes sheer madness!,you'd run your country into massive economic depression that would take centuries to recover from.anyway,you cant even amass such funds in the first place.

EVarn:
attempting to single-handedly fund such a project denotes sheer madness!,you'd run your country into massive economic depression that would take centuries to recover from.anyway,you cant even amass such funds in the first place.

Just wait and see how we will pay for the project.

iterator24:
you've got no game.. post sources ..

54 people die in south africa everyday!

in today's news
m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/Violence-a-top-5-cause-of-death-20141228

"Johannesburg - South Africa has no civil war but violence is one of the top five causes of death in the country, according
to a study published by The Lancet , the Sunday Times reported.
According to the report, South Africa was the only country outside the Latin American and Caribbean region to make this
claim.
People most at risk of dying because of violence were at the prime of their lives and a group being decimated by HIV.
In 2013, almost 200 000 people between the ages of 15 and 49 died of violence, Aids-related illness and road injuries.
Suicides surged more than 200% last year, compared with 1990, the newspaper reported."



defend it mzilakazi

even boko haram didn't cause that much atrocity ..

mzilakazi:



Just wait and see how we will pay for the project.

i await the magic you want to perform

iterator24:


in today's news
m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/Violence-a-top-5-cause-of-death-20141228

"Johannesburg - South Africa has no civil war but violence is one of the top five causes of death in the country, according
to a study published by The Lancet , the Sunday Times reported.
According to the report, South Africa was the only country outside the Latin American and Caribbean region to make this
claim.
People most at risk of dying because of violence were at the prime of their lives and a group being decimated by HIV.
In 2013, almost 200 000 people between the ages of 15 and 49 died of violence, Aids-related illness and road injuries.
Suicides surged more than 200% last year, compared with 1990, the newspaper reported."



defend it mzilakazi

even boko haram didn't cause that much atrocity ..

wtf,see people dying like guinea pigs in SA.what a terrible place.

EVarn:
wtf,see people dying like guinea pigs in SA.what a terrible place.

Yet, the "terrible place" has swept off the table all meangful tourism awards on
offer this year.

Meaning the world likes the "terrible place"

Nigerians particularly are streaming into the "terrible place", some even asking for asylum. Oh, the irony!

Meanwhile, there are official anti travel warnings against half the territory of Nigeria. "None but essential travel only". Oh, the irony!

I come in peace, laid my hand on few NA T-72 TANKS, postin it soonish

NA

dakingsman:
NA

Nice images.

dakingsman:
NA

Nice pictures I love that frontal view

DieVluit:


Yet, the "terrible place" has swept off the table all meangful tourism awards on
offer this year.

Meaning the world likes the "terrible place"

Nigerians particularly are streaming into the "terrible place", some even asking for asylum. Oh, the irony!

Meanwhile, there are official anti travel warnings against half the territory of Nigeria. "None but essential travel only". Oh, the irony!

Let me correct an impression.

Nigerians are streaming into everywhere. When your troops failed in the CAR, you could see thousands of Nigerians been evacuated from the country by the Nigerian Airforce.

There are Nigerians in Guam, sao-tome, skits, nevis, sri-lanka, and some of the world's most unusual places. we are naturally explorers. We don't just sit at a place and remain ignorant like you south-africans.

Lagos is Africa's 3rd most visited city in SSA.

Henry120:


Let me correct an impression.

Nigerians are streaming into everywhere. When your troops failed in the CAR, you could see thousands of Nigerians been evacuated from the country by the Nigerian Airforce.

There are Nigerians in Guam, sao-tome, skits, nevis, sri-lanka, and some of the world's most unusual places. we are naturally explorers. We don't just sit at a place and remain ignorant like you south-africans.

Lagos is Africa's 3rd most visited city in SSA.

Yes, in this instance the "everywhere" is the "terrible place" called South Africa, which the Nigerians are streaming into.

Some of them go through the below in an attempt to get into South Africa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCPpcSFG7E

And the fact that Nigerians stream everywhere alone settles it.

And yes, the "terrible place" called South Africa has won tourism awards this year which have the following words in their name:

"best destination"
"best"

So many awards, I have lost count.

These awards were bestowed by professional tourism bodies, who have bestowed zero AWARDS on Nigeria.

That's vastly different from being simply noted (without being seen as deserving of any awards) as being "mostly visited", which in Lagos' case is to be expected given Nigeria's overpopulation (the top two most visited cities being where again? Yes). Which overpopulation and infestation means what again? That Nigerians will stream everywhere, as long as it is away from "the wonderful" place called Nigeria. The "natural explorers" are "economic refugees", more like.

Thank you sir.

EVarn:
wtf,see people dying like guinea pigs in SA.what a terrible place.

it has some beautiful places however, but crime is everywhere ... compared to Nigeria with 36 states, Nigeria is safer

iterator24:
it has some beautiful places however, but crime is everywhere ... compared to Nigeria with 36 states, Nigeria is safer

Nigeria has no idea what its own crime rate is.

Notwithstanding "everything", the world awards South Africa again and again as an ATTRACTION and not a REPELLENT.

Nigerians themselves award South Africa via their continuous streaming into the country, no matter what happens to them in the process.

Meanwhile, Nigeria itself has been deemed a REPELLENT via official anti-travel warnings.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/nigeria

DieVluit:


Nigeria has no idea what its own crime rate is.

Notwithstanding "everything", the world awards South Africa again and again as an ATTRACTION and not a REPELLANT.

Nigerian award South Africa via their continuous streaming into the country, no matter what happens to them in the process.

Meanwhile, Nigeria itself has been deemed a REPELLANT via official anti-travel warnings.

the world knows crime in SA is on steroids

a travel warning issued by US to SA
www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/US-issues-SA-crime-warning-20130619


Nigeria doesn't put much emphasis on tourism which is understandable, so your awards is baseless to us, we aint competing . Lagos is still a top destination irrespective ..

iterator24:
the world knows crime in SA is on steroids
a travel warning issued by US to SA
www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/US-issues-SA-crime-warning-20130619
Nigeria doesn't put much emphasis on tourism which is understandable, so your awards is baseless to us, we aint competing . Lagos is still a top destination irrespective ..

I do not see a "none but essential travel" anywhere. All I see is the following:

"The majority of US citizens who travel to South Africa generally make it back without incident," he told the publication.

US president Barack Obama is due to visit Pretoria and Cape Town at the end of June.

From your own source.

And from my own, I see the picture below about Nigeria.

I then see the following also about South Africa, notwithstanding "crime":

SA Named World's Leading Safari Destination for 2014

http://allafrica.com/stories/201412210098.html

I do not see that or similar anywhere about Nigeria. All I see are Nigerians streaming everywhere, instead, away from "the wonderful Nigeria" including into South Africa.

Point is, the "terrible South Africa" is an attraction, has been recognised and AWARDED as such; and the "wonderful Nigeria" is not. But then again, with articles such as the below, it is UNDERSTANDABLE how the "wonderful Nigeria" is what it is.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/173246-nigeria-tourism-chief-claims-humans-turn-wild-beasts-devour-livestock.html

"Nigeria tourism chief claims humans turn to wild beasts to devour livestock"

DieVluit:
Yet, the "terrible place" has swept off the table all meangful tourism awards on
offer this year.
Meaning the world likes the "terrible place".Nigerians particularly are streaming into the "terrible place", some even asking for asylum. Oh, the irony!
Meanwhile, there are official anti travel warnings against half the territory of Nigeria. "None but essential travel only". Oh, the irony!

spare me your acerbatics and half-witted barbs.people only visit SA 'cos of the tourist sites and a few note-worthy infrastructures that you managed to scrape together.the fact still remains that,SA is the crime and HIV capital of the world.

iterator24:
it has some beautiful places however, but crime is everywhere ... compared to Nigeria with 36 states, Nigeria is safer

very true

Nigerian Army BTR-4E with cage armour.

EVarn:
very true

Yet and notwithstanding, Nigerians and awards keep coming.

EVarn:
spare me your acerbatics and half-witted barbs.people only visit SA 'cos of the tourist sites and a few note-worthy infrastructures that you managed to scrape together.the fact still remains that,SA is the crime and HIV capital of the world.

In other words, they visit regardless of "everything"

Yes, they visit and recognise notwithstanding "the crime" and "HIV". But Nigeria gets no tourism award recognition notwithstanding its being "wonderful". Notwithstanding its being "wonderful", Nigeria sees Nigerians streaming out and into South Africa.

Awards that Nigeria will not even smell in its wildest dreams:

1. Legend Golf & Safari Resort won World's Leading Safari Resort.

2. Shamwari Game Reserve's Eagles Crag Lodge won World's Leading Eco-Lodge.

3. Shambala Private Reserve won for being the World's Leading Private Game Reserve

4. Thanda Private Game Reserve was awarded the World's Leading Luxury Lodge.

5. Saxon Hotel, Villas and Spa won as the World's Leading Boutique Hotel for the 15th consecutive year.

6. The Saxon's website won the award for being the World’s Leading Hotel Website.

7. Best Safari destination - South Africa

8. Cape Town voted telegraph's best city to visit.

On and on it goes, the awards list, I can't even keep up.

All this notwithstanding "everything"

LOL LOLLZY LOLZ.

MEANWHILE, Nigeria, the land of official antitravel warnings, meanwhile...their tourism chief says human turn to beasts at night, to eat animals. Go figure.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/173246-nigeria-tourism-chief-claims-humans-turn-wild-beasts-devour-livestock.html

Strange about the "terrible South Africa" and the "wonderful Nigeria". Strange.

DieVluit:


Yet and notwithstanding, Nigerians and awards keep coming.

You know, you've never contributed anything military related to this thread. You are always off topic.

Henry120:

You know, you've never contributed anything military related to this thread. You are always off topic.

Funny how I'm suddenly "off topic" now that you don't like the direct responses to your own posts. Yes, attack me in frustration, why don cha?

Mr "I'll post about aids and crime and whatnot when I'm upset".

Do me a favour Henry, if you don't wanna talk about it, don't post about it.

Fair deal, that.

Or better yet, go read my last 20 posts and count there how many are military as well as how many of those military topics started you off on your tirade.

Or even better, go see how many unprovoked posts of yours were on what I responded directly to. Take your own advice, Henry.

Deal?

EVarn:
hmm...i guess i'm getting a hang on my detective skill then....it is not paramount that you get the accurate data file of the target at once,if you're able to get a rough sketch....then you are good to go.anyway mr gottfried{and i certainly hope you dont get fried before we meet again.lol},i await your magnanimous contributions that promises to be enlightening,especially regarding "your area of expertise".
NB: congratulations on your promotion.you seem diligent enough.

nah! you re just forgetting your sherlock holmes.

DieVluit:


Yes, in this instance the "everywhere" is the "terrible place" called South Africa, which the Nigerians are streaming into.

Some of them go through the below in an attempt to get into South Africa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCPpcSFG7E

And the fact that Nigerians stream everywhere alone settles it.

And yes, the "terrible place" called South Africa has won tourism awards this year which have the following words in their name:

"best destination"
"best"

So many awards, I have lost count.

These awards were bestowed by professional tourism bodies, who have bestowed zero AWARDS on Nigeria.

That's vastly different from being simply noted (without being seen as deserving of any awards) as being "mostly visited", which in Lagos' case is to be expected given Nigeria's overpopulation (the top two most visited cities being where again? Yes). Which overpopulation and infestation means what again? That Nigerians will stream everywhere, as long as it is away from "the wonderful" place called Nigeria. The "natural explorers" are "economic refugees", more like.

Thank you sir.

oh boy! you re so annoying.

DieVluit:


Funny how I'm suddenly "off topic" now that you don't like the direct responses to your own posts. Yes, attack me in frustration, why don cha?

Mr "I'll post about aids and crime and whatnot when I'm upset".

Do me a favour Henry, if you don't wanna talk about it, don't post about it.

Fair deal, that.

Or better yet, go read my last 20 posts and count there how many are military as well as how many of those military topics started you off on your tirade.

Or even better, go see how many unprovoked posts of yours were on what I responded directly to. Take your own advice, Henry.

Deal?

No, far from it. I was only making an observation. You took it the wrong way. Don't let me spoil your cruise/rant, carry on.

DieVluit:


In other words, they visit regardless of "everything"

Yes, they visit and recognise notwithstanding "the crime" and "HIV". But Nigeria gets no tourism award recognition notwithstanding its being "wonderful". Notwithstanding its being "wonderful", Nigeria sees Nigerians streaming out and into South Africa.

Awards that Nigeria will not even smell in its wildest dreams:

1. Legend Golf & Safari Resort won World's Leading Safari Resort.

2. Shamwari Game Reserve's Eagles Crag Lodge won World's Leading Eco-Lodge.

3. Shambala Private Reserve won for being the World's Leading Private Game Reserve

4. Thanda Private Game Reserve was awarded the World's Leading Luxury Lodge.

5. Saxon Hotel, Villas and Spa won as the World's Leading Boutique Hotel for the 15th consecutive year.

6. The Saxon's website won the award for being the World’s Leading Hotel Website.

7. Best Safari destination - South Africa

8. Cape Town voted telegraph's best city to visit.

On and on it goes, the awards list, I can't even keep up.

All this notwithstanding "everything"

LOL LOLLZY LOLZ.

MEANWHILE, Nigeria, the land of official antitravel warnings, meanwhile...their tourism chief says human turn to beasts at night, to eat animals. Go figure.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/173246-nigeria-tourism-chief-claims-humans-turn-wild-beasts-devour-livestock.html

Strange about the "terrible South Africa" and the "wonderful Nigeria". Strange.

baseless post. keep embarrassing saffers ... highest crime rate, HIV and rape; world record goes to you

Henry120:

No, far from it. I was only making an observation. You took it the wrong way. Don't let me spoil your cruise/rant, carry on.

And I made my own observation back, as I always do - respond as required and appropriate.

Go back and read your own posts and mine while I cruise as advised.

iterator24:
baseless post. keep embarrassing saffers ... highest crime rate, HIV and rape; world record goes to you

The base would be the many tourism awards that south africa collects on the daily. There can't be a better endorsement than that.

Even the constant stream of nigerians wanting a piece of the action can't be a better endorsement than the international recognition that SA keeps getting as a desirable destination.