agaugust:


F-8 III Finback jet fighter order cancelled, replaced with JF-17 Thunder jet fighter

Chinook helicopter order cancelled, replaced with Terminator armed transport helicopter

Sea Knight helicopter order cancelled replaced with Terminator armed transport helicopter

Cobra helicopter gunship order cancelled, replaced with Gazelle helicopter gunship

T-84 Oplot tanks order, shipment delayed in Ukraine

BMP-1 IFV order, replaced with BVP-1 IFV

Super Tucano COIN airplane order cancelled after evaluation, replaced with Su-25 KN Scorpion COIN jet

Su-30 jet order, aircraft still under evaluation

Bofors FH-77 B L52 Order, consult original source, Army Guide website.

Otomat Mk II, consult original source, military today website.

CEASER SPG order NEVER mentioned on this forum

Sandcat MRAP order, status uncertain, replaced with Big Foot MRAP and REVA MRAP.

Predator armed Drone order cancelled, replaced with CH-3 guided missile armed Drone .

Any other thing ya wanna rant about ? All questions answered in 5 minutes with latest procurement updates.

CASE CLOSED FINALLY !!!
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ukemeramat:

Pally relax, here u lie big time...SANDF is ok but not to the world power u r eyeing

MikeCZAR:
Nigeria was colonised by the British empire while Angola was colonised by Portugal.

I don't care what other men look like.

agaugust:


F-8 III Finback jet fighter order cancelled, replaced with JF-17 Thunder jet fighter

Chinook helicopter order cancelled, replaced with Terminator armed transport helicopter

Sea Knight helicopter order cancelled replaced with Terminator armed transport helicopter

Cobra helicopter gunship order cancelled, replaced with Gazelle helicopter gunship

T-84 Oplot tanks order, shipment delayed in Ukraine

BMP-1 IFV order, replaced with BVP-1 IFV

Super Tucano COIN airplane order cancelled after evaluation, replaced with Su-25 KN Scorpion COIN jet

Su-30 jet order, aircraft still under evaluation

Bofors FH-77 B L52 Order, consult original source, Army Guide website.

Otomat Mk II, consult original source, military today website.

CEASER SPG order NEVER mentioned on this forum

Sandcat MRAP order, status uncertain, replaced with Big Foot MRAP and REVA MRAP.

Predator armed Drone order cancelled, replaced with CH-3 guided missile armed Drone .

Any other thing ya wanna rant about ? All questions answered in 5 minutes with latest procurement updates.

CASE CLOSED FINALLY !!!
.

agaugust:



Thanks ! So NAF does not need air to air jet fighter war experience, and NAF don't need air to air combat experience in a contested airspace because we already have the training with Pakistani air force using our F-7 jets with extra trainer versions PL-9C missiles with BVR range.

NAF is superior to SAAF, we have fired BVR missiles in combat training with Pakistan, but SAAF has NEVER fired a single IRIS-T missile on Gripen jets, you have NO SINGLE training missiles IRIS-T, so your pilots training is incomplete and inferior.

South African air force is dead....

1. No BVR missile
2. No missile training rounds
3. Only 6 pilots for Gripen
4. No fighter jet pilot qualified with combat rating 150 hours standard
5. No aviation fuel
6. Flights are restricted to V.I.P transport for ANC politicians only.

Mandela's air force is as dead as Mandela himself
.

dacostaANG:


So my friend what you saying I should agree with what you are saying here or else I'm a South African. No offense but you are a crazy guy.

We are not on the same level, you deal with myths and fantasies while I service planes in real live.

On the Portuguese issue if I were you I would leave that one aside because I'm not going on the usual african inferiority syndrome of resorting to culture/clan when someone has a disagreement with you.

In the meantime I'm fascinated by your broad imagination.

agaugust:


You are 90% likely to be a South African trying to receive us here, look at your moniker, name dacostaANG, why right ANG ? Trick to receive us that you are ANGOLAN....fail !

Your style is South African...DictatorZAR, MikeZAR....you dacostaZAR ;

Thats why you carelessly said SAAF old model Gripen jet is better than Russian air force latest 2014 Su-30 SM Flanker jet.

You think we are fools here ?

Olodo
.

agaugust:


You are 90% likely to be a South African trying to receive us here, look at your moniker, name dacostaANG, why right ANG ? Trick to receive us that you are ANGOLAN....fail !

Your style is South African...DictatorZAR, MikeZAR....you dacostaZAR ;

Thats why you carelessly said SAAF old model Gripen jet is better than Russian air force latest 2014 Su-30 SM Flanker jet.

You think we are fools here ?

Olodo
.

patches689:


We too have built satellites

Why are you unable to develop our armaments industry?

And lets not even talk about medical, nuclear and other advances we regularly churn out such as a working pebble bed reactor or the worlds first digital laser

agaugust:



Thanks ! So NAF does not need air to air jet fighter war experience, and NAF don't need air to air combat experience in a contested airspace because we already have the training with Pakistani air force using our F-7 jets with extra trainer versions PL-9C missiles with BVR range.

NAF is superior to SAAF, we have fired BVR missiles in combat training with Pakistan, but SAAF has NEVER fired a single IRIS-T missile on Gripen jets, you have NO SINGLE training missiles IRIS-T, so your pilots training is incomplete and inferior.

South African air force is dead....

1. No BVR missile
2. No missile training rounds
3. Only 6 pilots for Gripen
4. No fighter jet pilot qualified with combat rating 150 hours standard
5. No aviation fuel
6. Flights are restricted to V.I.P transport for ANC politicians only.

Mandela's air force is as dead as Mandela himself
.

ukemeramat:

Pally relax, here u lie big time...SANDF is ok but not to the world power u r eyeing

patches689:


Thats why i said realtivly speaking

What America was to Iraq in terms of technological advantage is what the SANDF is to Nigeria

Henry120:


This is the most ignorant comment i've read all year.

How an individual could possibly say the Gripen C/D is better than an SU-30 is down right frightening. To even compare a Gripen to an MKI, same MKI that took American F-15's to the cleaners.

The Ignorance in his comment is un-comprehensible.

Henry120:


Yeah, with your 9 Gripen Pilots after 15 years. "Sure, quite advanced".

Henry120:


Yeah, with your 9 Gripen Pilots after 15 years. "Sure, quite advanced".

agaugust:



[s]Thanks ! So NAF does not need air to air jet fighter war experience, and NAF don't need air to air combat experience in a contested airspace because we already have the training with Pakistani air force using our F-7 jets with extra trainer versions PL-9C missiles with BVR range.
[/s]
NAF is superior to SAAF, we have fired BVR missiles in combat training with Pakistan, but SAAF has NEVER fired a single IRIS-T missile on Gripen jets, you have NO SINGLE training missiles IRIS-T, so your pilots training is incomplete and inferior.

[s]South African air force is dead....

1. No BVR missile
2. No missile training rounds
3. Only 6 pilots for Gripen
4. No fighter jet pilot qualified with combat rating 150 hours standard
5. No aviation fuel
6. Flights are restricted to V.I.P transport for ANC politicians only.

Mandela's air force is as dead as Mandela himself [/s]
.

agaugust:




1. No BVR missile
2. No missile training rounds
3. Only 6 pilots for Gripen
4. No fighter jet pilot qualified with combat rating 150 hours standard
5. No aviation fuel
6. Flights are restricted to V.I.P transport for ANC politicians only.

Mandela's air force is as dead as Mandela himself
.

saengine:


EXERCISE LION EFFORT 2012 - HELD IN SWEDEN

South African, Czech, Hungarian, and Swedish Air Forces took part.

Part of this multinational exercise included blue on red air-air combat, which included close range dog fights. Pilots had to fight to get missile locks and fire at the "enemy aircraft"

You are free to tell us if we fired real missiles or training missiles.

Take your time. Think it over.


[img]http://cphspotters.dk/userpics/albums/userpics/10022/lionSAAF3921.jpg[/img]

[img]http://cphspotters.dk/userpics/albums/userpics/10022/lionSAAF3926.jpg[/img]

[img]http://cphspotters.dk/userpics/albums/userpics/10022/lionSAAFJAS39pair.jpg[/img]

jln115:

And you are Augustine from beegeagel.

MikeCZAR:


Depends on support.

SAAF Gripen are different from standard C/d versions.

The Gripen eats Sukhois any day.

MikeCZAR:
which country maintains its squadrons to full wartime capacity during peaceful times?

SAAF still has reserve pilots like the AHRLAC tests pilot.

5 Gripens and 6 Hawks can't be challenged in Sub-saharan Africa.

Fact: Nigeria can't challenge SA's air power.

agaugust:


You are 90% likely to be a South African trying to receive us here, look at your moniker, name dacostaANG, why right ANG ? Trick to receive us that you are ANGOLAN....fail !

Your style is South African...DictatorZAR, MikeZAR....you dacostaZAR ;

Thats why you carelessly said SAAF old model Gripen jet is better than Russian air force latest 2014 Su-30 SM Flanker jet.

You think we are fools here ?

Olodo
.

MikeCZAR:
At a ratio of: 9 to 1.

They were only outperformed in the BVR exercise.

Henry120:


More like at the ratio of 9 pilots to 26 Gripens.

15 years and counting.........

Mikeczar, why does the SAAF have so few pilots for a paltry 26 planes after 15 years?

patches689:


Gripen is better than the Su30M/K - confirmed by independant analysts

While the F-16C Block 50/52+ could only sort of break even with the SU-30MKK in terms of overall air combat performance, the Gripen C clearly trounces the Flanker-G in BVR and WVR avenues of air combat, .

http://www.rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.com/the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-flanker-g-killer-the-jas-39c-gripen-versus-the-su-30mkkmk2-flanker-g

Now see your own source, an unknown blog, the personal opinion of a blogger civilian man that works in an oil company :

Msauza:




[size=16]EVEN IF AN F7 JET CAN BE ARMED WITH BVR IT WILL STILL NOT DEFEAT GRIPEN JET. THE GRIPEN JET WILL DETECT IT FIRST WITH ITS WIDER DETECTION RADAR AND STAND A CHANCE TO FIRE THE FIRST SHOT. THE F7 CANNOT FIRE THE MISSILE UNLESS IT HAS DETECTED THE GRIPEN AND WHAT SADDENS THE MOST IS THE FACT THAT BEFORE IT CAN DETECT THE POSITION OF THE GRIPEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG DETECTED BY GRIPEN AND HENCE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. THE BVR IS NOT THE BEST PLATFORM FOR J7/F7 BECAUSE IT HAS POOR DETECTION RADAR. THE ENEMY WILL ALWAYS DETECT IT FIRST AND APPROACH IT FROM BEHIND OR FROM ITS WEAKEST LINK.[/size]

patches689:


Basically every wheeled IFV is air transportable

dacostaANG:


The only one deceiving people is you. Why are you threatened by my presence on this forum is it because your country has an inferior air force compared to my beloved Angola. What's wrong with you homezinho. I'm honored that you think I'm a SA citizen while your other fellow call me a "portugese" crop duster Oooops!!! "crop sprayer" mechanic.

There is no 2014 Russian produced SU-30 only India and China currently has licensed production lines for there SU-30MKI and J-11 respectively.

The SU-30's is a great 3rd gen + fighter but it was built to counter the F-16 and F-18's used by predominantly Western powers. But it no longer holds an edge, that's why Russia is focusing on SU-35's to counter the growing threat of the F-22, F-35(still in development), Gripen Jas39C/NG, Eurofighter and lastly the Rafale.

Since you dream so much can you explain why India the second largest user of the SU-30's outside Russia is currently opting to buy 126 Rafale fighters.

patches689:


We too have built satellites

Why are you unable to develop our armaments industry?

Henry120:


More like at the ratio of 9 pilots to 26 Gripens.

15 years and counting.........

Mikeczar, why does the SAAF have so few pilots for a paltry 26 planes after 15 years?

saengine:


EXERCISE LION EFFORT 2012 - HELD IN SWEDEN

South African, Czech, Hungarian, and Swedish Air Forces took part.

Part of this multinational exercise included blue on red air-air combat, which included close range dog fights. Pilots had to fight to get missile locks and fire at the "enemy aircraft"

You are free to tell us if we fired real missiles or training missiles.

Take your time. Think it over.


[img]http://cphspotters.dk/userpics/albums/userpics/10022/lionSAAF3921.jpg[/img]

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Msauza:



ONLY SIX GRIPENS WILL R.APE THE WHOLE OF NAF NON-STOP.