agaugust:


The SAAF Rooivalk pilot declares the cannon range of his helicopter as 2 km, you have no practical knowledge of the weapon to challenge his claim , he flies the Rooivalk as a pilot of SAAF.

Confirmed by SAAF Rooivalk pilot, the helicopters cannon range is a fvcking 2 km . Proved by your own Southie pilot in the video.

Show us the rocket range, how you got 6 km, would be good to give us a proof.

M-35 Hind helicopter carries 3 types of cannon, and it can change the gun at will, the rotating flexible gun is the most common and that is what Nigeria uses, our Hinds don't use fixed stationary gun generally, they are rotating cannon that fires from different angles no matter what direction the helicopter faces.

Youjust like to post bullshiit dude.
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When does the pilot say that? Time stamp it.

All your hinds have that? Really? You wanna bet?

agaugust:



Citations needed for the Rooivalk rocket and cannon ranges. Rooivalk cannon is 2 km range confirmed by it's own SAAF pilot.

Hind carries 3 cannon types/options and can carry two different gun types together at the same time, nose gun and pylon gun :

4 barrel 12.7 mm

2 barrel 23 mm

2 barrel 30 mm

Rooivalk carries only one type of cannon.... 1 barrel 20 mm

Hind cannot hover? You ever seen a helicopter that cannot hover? Then what you say is not a helicopter. Ability to hover is the unique feature of every helicopter in this world. Olodo.

Hovering to land

And

Hovering in combat

Are two different things.

If the hind tries the maneuvers the rooivalk can do it will cut off its own tail with its rotors (the best part is that i am not joking - this is actually a thing)

Hind a sh1t

agaugust:


Your video shows people talking at interviews, it did not show how Rooivalk has better FLIR than Hind....I need proof, tech/specs/data
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Provide hind tech/specs/data

agaugust:


How did you personally see the difference? The video did not show Rooivalk or Hind FLIR and no means of comparing the two technically.

The Ukrainian pilot was not interviewed to hear his own opinion.

Rooivalk is NOT better than Mi-35 just because a South African Rooivalk pilot says so, is he also the pilot who flew the Mi-35 ?

Show me proof of tech/specs/data to prove the Rooivalk can ID targets better than Mi-35 in bad weather. I need technical data, not the voice opinion of a SAAF pilot who wasnts to take all the glory of a joint multinational combat operation for himself alone, why did the reporter not interview the Mi-35 pilot too and let us hear from Ukrainian air force?

You think courts judge cases by hearing only the prosecutor and refusing to hear from the accused? That's how your brain works?
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Its not the opinion of just the pilot

Its also the opinion of the UN who called in the Rooivalk after they found the hind was unable to cope

Now, you post hind data and spes

agaugust:


How many Hinds in this world use SA 20 mm gun ? There are over 2,500 Mi-24/35 Hind helicopters, so how may came to South Africa to change to 20 mm gun? Russia, India, Ethiopia, Brazil, Angola.....how many units changed to your type of Rooivalk gun ? You don't know the meaning of the word most? No you don't.

What is a super hind?

agaugust:


Muzzle velocity decreases with calibre size, a 30 mm gun will have less ammo speed than a 2o mm, that is science.

H.ell, a double 30 mm gun has 3 times the killing power of a 20 mm.....the Mi-35 has 3 times the firepower of Rooivalk.

30 mm gun will penetrate most armoured vehicles using standard shells, the 30 mm gun of the Hind helicopter is the same on Su-25 Frogfoot and that is a powerful jet aircraft in ground attack role.

A Mi-35 Hind can carry two 30 mm x 2 barrel gun pods on wing stub and one 12.7 mm x 4 barrel gun on nose.....even Apache won't do that, talk less of a Rooivalk. Mi-35 is just a killing machine the world cannot refuse....over 2,500 units sold to over 20 countries worldwide. The buyers are not fools.

Omg he is trying to do science again

Saved for when i get home gunna make fun of this clown

agaugust:


Your boasting video is the citation, you already gave us a source....Rooivalk gun has ONLY about 2 km range.

Thanks for the suicide bra

Turn on subs

Take screencap

Provide timestamp

Then it becomes a citation

agaugust:


The Mi-24/35 Hind is better than the Rooivalk

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-24.htm

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How is it better?

In which way?

agaugust:


Those weblink sources say nothing about gun range.

My source of 2 km is your own boasting video of SAAF pilot and his journalist...2km range of Rooivalk gun.

Except you want us to dismiss the whole of your video as a SCAM and FRAUD filled with FALSE information

Sweet suicide my brother !

Screencap with subtitles + time stamp

Prove your claims

I remember your lies about indian officers and the range they said a certain gun had in a certain youtube video

You are renowned for intentionally misquoting information

agaugust:


How many units are those Algerian?....there are over 2,500 Hinds in this world.

How many of those have been modernized?

jln115:

Oh...OK so the Rooivalk :
Has a Much Much Higher Hover , 3X higher in fact.
250km higher range(Internal fuel),and 300km higher range with Aux fuel tanks.
Has stealth design.
Much higher service ceiling, higher by 2,5km in fact.
Much lower vibration levels.
Much better EW suit.
Much better targeting systems.

But ja.......The MI 24/35 is better!!

Yoh

They can see the wreckage this post created from space

Henry120:


Why would anyone want the Super-Hind, when the Nigerian Airforce operates the MI-35m Hind E?

If you could afford them

You would have them

But you cant

Henry120:


The pn has similar up-grades as the MI-35m. The MI-35m is the latest variant of the MI-35 in the market. It is also russia's primary attack Helicopter.

The best Russian version is the MI-35m.

Citation desperatly needed

Also, i dont think this guy knows about the ka-50 or the Mi Mil-24

Hind is obsolete and is on its way out the door

Henry120:


All countries you listed fly both the MI-35m and the MI-28n. The MI-35m isn't been replaced, customer preference determines what other type their respective forces require.

Is the AH-1z viper replacing the Apache in U.S military service?

The Pakistanis ordered both MI-35 and AH-1 viper, so which is replacing which in pakistani service?

The Helicopters are designed to complement each other m0ron.

No customer needs are based on:

1. What they can afford
2. What the seller is prepared to let them buy

You know why no one uses top of the ramge Chally 2's or Abrams? Because the Uk and US dont sell them

Same thing with the russians

Henry120:


Russia isn't replacing the MI-35 in service.

Citation > your opinion

Deal with it

Henry120:


This is may of 2015. How far have they gone?

They are still moving toward their target

And that is all that counts

Henry120:


It is better, the turks, brits, thais rejected it.

It is such a good chopper the SAAF only ordered 12.

The Rooivalk is a sub-par, sub-stand french Helicopter with obsolete avionics.

Citations for all 3 claims please

agaugust:


Sweden is phasing out SAAF version of Gripen jet

And the NG is better. Sweden's threats have upgraded so they upgraded. Our threats are the same.

agaugust:



Jack of all trades and master of all.

Stingers shot down old version 1980s Hind.

Current Hinds have flare dispensers and laser jammer, as well as laser/radar warning, plus heat signature suppressor.

The Hind's gating gun has tons of ammo. Bigger guns do not need lost of ammo, one short burst from a 30mm x 2 is death guaranteed.

Algeria was upgrading old Hinds purchased long ago, they just chose SA. Did India or Iraq come to you for Hind upgrades?
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In trying to carry people exes weight was added, might be why it struggles to hover.

And how have the heat signal been lowers since then. By copping the rooivalk?


So do all SAAF choppers and all attack choppers since say the 1990s.

Did you bother to chech how much ammo is carried or are you pulling stuff out your ass again.

agaugust:


Many modern Hinds have retractable landing gear. Variations do occur in producing variants. The Hind E landing gear was not made retractable to save weight and allow more payload.

The most advanced hind is the pn. Part of the upgrade is fixed landing gear.

agaugust:


I stated a general principle for cannon. Compare muzzle velocity of tank 105 mm gun and IFV 30 mm gun. Anybody can decide to build a supr rapid kinda 76 mm gun with higher speed.

Most IFV have better frontal armour, their roof behind turret is weak armour....most IFVs cannot survive 30 mm shells anywhere on their structure, there is no part of a Ratel or new Badger IFV that can survive 30 mm cannon shells from a Hind helicopter
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The Hind is a true gunship, one Hind can carry one 4 barrel 12.7mm on nose, and two double barrel 30mm on each wing....or pintle mounted 14.5mm heavy machine guns....that's a mass killer in any battle field.

No IFV can survive a 20mm hit on the roof. So why the 30mm that as less rounds.


The badger frontal arc can take a 30mm hit.

agaugust:


The best Russian Hind is the M-35M Hind E....SIPRI confirms Nigeria has many of those, best tech 2014 models
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I have pointed out many times how it is not the best and given links. You just say it is the best because you say it is.

agaugust:


You are running away from my simple question, out of 2,500 Hinds, how many Super Hinds exist?

Does it matter. At least 2 countries thought it was a good upgrade to swap out the Russian guns for a SA built 20mm.

Henry120:


Your Pilot says the Rooivalk cannon has a 2km range. He flies the bird, so he should know.

Is jean rancine or Richard Stuport a Rooivalk pilot?

The pilot didn't say anything about range!

Quote him please!

Desperation!

Henry120:


This doesn't explain why you denied SAAF Rooivalk and Pilot.

Why did you deny them?

His a SAAF pilot flying under the UN.

Don't quote me or by now you know you'll get hiding.

Denying? Remember that BH video which showed your soldiers running to the mountains? Fleeing combat?

Henry120:


There is something wrong with you.

What did the Rafales do in libya, asides taking out obsolete AA guns.

Effective.

patches689:


No customer needs are based on:

1. What they can afford
2. What the seller is prepared to let them buy

You know why no one uses top of the ramge Chally 2's or Abrams? Because the Uk and US dont sell them

Same thing with the russians

While on tanks have you seen that new Russian MBT?

Hopefully on 9 May they'll remove the covers on the turret.

For a new MBT I'm not really impressed.

Henry120:


Yes, customer preference.

The Apache is the best military helicopter, yet the U.S military also purchased viper helicopters. Both platforms are designed to complement each other.

You do, this debate does, as the both ordered the MI-35 and Viper.


Nigeria has the MI-171sh and gazelle to complement it's hind.

Is the Viper in service with the same branches of the US military?

US Army uses the Apache

US Marines use the Viper.

Different branches have different needs and doctrines... for one, the American version of the Apache cannot operate off LHD's.

Henry120:


You have neither the skill nor the funds. The frenchies are currently occupied with the tiger helicopter.

Skill?

You havent seen what our armaments industry has been churning out, have you?

Henry120:


Yet turkey chose the HQ-9?

The Rooivalk was rejected as the turks saw with for the scrap of metal it is.

It was rejected as the Rooivalk uses french sub components

Turkey does not operate equipment that involves French equipment.

So... either you dont know what you are talking about, or are telling lies... which is it?

agaugust:


Rooivalk stealth what ? Invisible to radar ? Naaa, it is a normal simple metal helicopter, DENEL marketing gimmick does not fool Nigerians, a 1960 era old radar will detect Rooivalk from 100 km away.

Mi-24/25 Hind has :

1. Mutli-role....Attack, Assault, Transport, Medevac, Reconaissance,

2. Superior weapons options including iron bombs and laser guided bombs

3. Better rockets with longer range and bigger warhead options including 130 mm

4. More powerful cannon and options, from 12.7 mm to 30 mm calibre guns and 4 to 6 barrels on wings and nose

5. Newer avionics suite, TV, FLIR, etc

6. Reduced heat signature

7. Advanced targeting systems and self defence.

Yap....Mi-35 Hind beats the Rooivalk hands down...yea yea men !
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1. That means it is less efficient at all 3 categories. Rooivalk is a dedicated attack helo, every gram of it is designed with one thing in mind.

2. How are they superior?

3. Which? How? Do you have them?

4. If 30mm is better why are the Russians moving towards 20mm? Is accuracy and more ammunition not better than large caliber rounds?

5. Is it newer? Is it better?

6. Is it smaller than the Rooivalks?

7. Does it? Stipulate these systems and their capabilities.


Why are you so afraid of comparing specifications and capabilities? Is it that you dont know them or you are scared to post them?

Show us how the hind is better... give us details.

Henry120:


Excuses!

How is it an excuse?

Russians say they are getting rid of the hind... that is all that matters.