MikeCZAR:
Because of America supported and saved her.

i may not argue with you about which country have the biggest or smallest gun, but whenever i see someone trying to mess with historical facts to suit his purpose i always try to correct that person. Operation Barbarossa was unsuccesful not because Germany was ill equipped or Russia was fully prepared but it was because of the ill timing of the operation which was brought about by hitler's temper. Hitler invaded Russia at a time when God and Nature could ve been said to be on the russian side. The harsh russian winter wiped out half of his troops and their supply because they never thought the winter would meet them in russia. Russian Forces taking advantage of this weakness dealth a serious blow to the germans in the battle of stalingrad. The germans were where caught in the middle of mother russia with the cold behind them and sure death in front of them. The battle of stalingrad recorded till today the world most desicive victory.

How you where able to implant america in a battle that she did not fight is above me. But i think the other guys here are kind of right. You southies have a thing for white balls. If america was a religion i am sure you guys will build a grand cathedral to its honour. "America assisted in the battle of stalingrad" its a piety.

patches689:


Boko Haram has seized control of a Nigerian town after hundreds of soldiers stationed there reportedly fled across the border to Cameroon, a police source said.

Almost 500 Nigerian soldiers fled the Nigerian border towns of Ashigashyia and Kerawa over the weekend to take refuge from Boko Haram fighters on Cameroonian territory.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/08/boko-haram-seizes-town-after-soldiers-flee-2014826181311739107.html

An eyewitness to the Boko Haram massacre in Baga says he saw Nigerian army forces and security officers run away from the town and give their guns to civilians in exchange for civilian clothes.
http://www.thedailyvox.co.za/nigerian-army-abandoned-civilians-at-baga-says-eyewitness/

Nigerian army considers cowardice to be part of the way they operate:

Following the incessant attacks by the dreaded Boko Haram sect, the Chief of Army Staff, Lt.- Gen. Kenneth Minimah, has revealed that some soldiers have abandoned the force due to the fear of the terrorists group Boko Haram.

“Sometimes, journalists ask me questions, saying soldiers are deserting their jobs because they don’t want to be killed in the North East. I tell them yes, it is true. Desertion is part of war”.

http://www.naij.com/70115.html

The soldiers complained about the inadequacy of weaponry and other equipment to confront Boko Haram fighters. Several soldiers revealed that many soldiers deserted their camps after handing over their weapons at the army headquarters in Michika, Adamawa State earlier today. At least 100 soldiers reportedly left through Shua-Mubi Road wearing civilian clothing.
http://saharareporters.com/news-page/soldiers-desert-biita-boko-haram-makes-strong-comeback

1. Tactical maneuver into Cameroon as confirmed by Nigerian army HQ. War tactics.

2. Show me where Nigerian soldiers ever surrendered themselves to Boko Haram.

3. Who won the whole war at the end ? Nigerian military .......Boko Haram ran away into Chad like SANDF running from Seleka...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbymGRBsW5I
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patches689:


Story has been denied by the UN and SANDF

Thus, its entire content is false.

Regardless, why would they issue ammunition and order men to stand-to if they were planning on surrendering?

Clown

Story NOT disputed, only adjustment is that NO HOSTAGE TAKING of SANDF men, Sudan Government CONFIRMED 500 SUDANESE TROOPS in Toyota Pick Ups did Ramadan patrol around SANDF base, confirmed by the Sudanese government itself, they scared your army till Soweto boys were popping kilograms of shiiit inside their p.ants in broad daylight, just by seeing Sudanese thin bone boys inside Toyota Hilux

Sharing ammunition is aither one of the usual SANDF lies to cover their shame, the truth is that the South African army CONFESSED they will SURRENDER immediately to Toyota boys of Sudan without a fight

You need veteran Sudan battle survivors of the Nigerian 100 troops platoon to train SANDF on how to fight 1,000 Sudanese without surrender




.

Buhahahahahaha So much for stealth.

F-22's Stealth Paint peeling off.

overhypedsteve:
i may not argue with you about which country have the biggest or smallest gun, but whenever i see someone trying to mess with historical facts to suit his purpose i always try to correct that person. Operation Barbarossa was unsuccesful not because Germany was ill equipped or Russia was fully prepared but it was because of the ill timing of the operation which was brought about by hitler's temper. Hitler invaded Russia at a time when God and Nature could ve been said to be on the russian side. The harsh russian winter wiped out half of his troops and their supply because they never thought the winter would meet them in russia. Russian Forces taking advantage of this weakness dealth a serious blow to the germans in the battle of stalingrad. The germans were where caught in the middle of mother russia with the cold behind them and sure death in front of them. The battle of stalingrad recorded till today the world most desicive victory.

How you where able to implant america in a battle that she did not fight is above me. But i think the other guys here are kind of right. You southies have a thing for white balls. If america was a religion i am sure you guys will build a grand cathedral to its honour. "America assisted in the battle of stalingrad" its a piety.

Yet another person whom is not familiar with "lend lease"

agaugust:


Story NOT disputed, only adjustment is that NO HOSTAGE TAKING of SANDF men, Sudan Government CONFIRMED 500 SUDANESE TROOPS in Toyota Pick Ups did Ramadan patrol around SANDF base, confirmed by the Sudanese government itself, they scared your army till Soweto boys were popping kilograms of shiiit inside their p.ants in broad daylight, just by seeing Sudanese thin bone boys inside Toyota Hilux

Sharing ammunition is aither one of the usual SANDF lies to cover their shame, the truth is that the South African army CONFESSED they will SURRENDER immediately to Toyota boys of Sudan without a fight

You need veteran Sudan battle survivors of the Nigerian 100 troops platoon to train SANDF on how to fight 1,000 Sudanese without surrender




.

Same person who said they were scared said that ammunition was issued and they were prepared for combat

SANDF knew what the Sudanese were up to - they had a meeting on June 15th

Over 100 Nigerian troops either surrendered or fled - "the base was overrun"

Stop wasting my time with conetent of an article that has been debunked by the SANDF, UN and Sudan - and your fellow nigerians on this forum agree

This is just another "fishing boat" humiliation for you

agaugust:


1. Tactical maneuver into Cameroon as confirmed by Nigerian army HQ. War tactics.

2. Show me where Nigerian soldiers ever surrendered themselves to Boko Haram.

3. Who won the whole war at the end ? Nigerian military .......Boko Haram ran away into Chad like SANDF running from Seleka...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbymGRBsW5I
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1. 500 men fles into Cameroon - FACT

2. They surrendered over 45 bases and vast ammounts of equipment, including TANKS

3. The war continues - you only saw *some* success when you called on Chad, Cameroon and South Africa to save you.

Pathetic military: 16 years of decline has lead to men running away from the enemy in womens dresses

patches689:


Same person who said they were scared said that ammunition was issued and they were prepared for combat

SANDF knew what the Sudanese were up to - they had a meeting on June 15th

Over 100 Nigerian troops either surrendered or fled - "the base was overrun"

Stop wasting my time with conetent of an article that has been debunked by the SANDF, UN and Sudan - and your fellow nigerians on this forum agree

This is just another "fishing boat" humiliation for you

You mean your new SANDF Seleka type humiliation in Sudan ?

This time, SANDF surrender was planned and agreed even before any battle started.

SANDF gets worse annually, courageis now a scarce commodity in South Africa, even the government fears to execute court order and arrest a Sudanese criminal who walked free to the airport, flew away as if a South African court of law is a comedy theatre

Your president just got his mouth slapped on homeland soil by one Sudan born crook and your 200,000 man military/paramilitary CANNOT defend the honour of your empire in 21st century
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patches689:


1. 500 men fles into Cameroon - FACT

2. They surrendered over 45 bases and vast ammounts of equipment, including TANKS

3. The war continues - you only saw *some* success when you called on Chad, Cameroon and South Africa to save you.

Pathetic military: 16 years of decline has lead to men running away from the enemy in womens dresses

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The Bible says in Ecclesiastes 7:8 "Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof."

Nigeria won her war against Boko Haram at the end, the holy book confirms that is the important thing, the end is the better part.

Nobody cares about the middle of the war anymore.

Even God's word justifies Nigerian military as having the better happy ending !

South Africa has ZERO record of war victory in it's history.

CASE CLOSED

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patches689:


Yet another person whom is not familiar with "lend lease"

bros calm down. America lended and leased to france and britain to prosecute the war. Up until the evening germany invaded russia the russians believed themselves to be allies with germany. Do you need citations, why did joseph stalin abandon a collective european (britain and france) front against germany? Despite his preaching of collective security? Because britain and france thought they could tame the aggressor(germany) by giving her the Sudertenland and by taking a neutral stance when italy(german ally) invaded ethiopia. Russia saw these "cowardly" action of britain and france and she realised that france and britain were not ready to fight germany but instead they wanted to push germany towards her so stalin seeing this sent the then russian FM to sign a non-agresssion pact with germany in 1939. This was stalin's reason for doing that " German's succeeded in their military activities basically hrough weakness of the western countries." - J. Stalin 1939. He personally stated that there was no occassion for conflict between Germany and the USSR.
Russia did not benefit from any lend lease program you are talking about. Russia fought a very bloody and brutal conflict within her territory without the help of her european "friends".

Whats with you guys and distorting historical facts?

agaugust:


The Bible says in Ecclesiastes 7:8 "Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof."

Nigeria won her war against Boko Haram at the end, the holy book confirms that is the best thing, the end is the better part.

Nobody cares about the middle of the war anymore.

Even God's word justifies Nigerian military as having the better happy ending !

South Africa has ZERO record of war victory in it's history.

CASE CLOSED

"South Africa has ZERO record of war victory in it's history."
WW1: SWA
WW2: North Africa
Korean War: 2 squadron
Border War

As you can see these are real wars against real enemies NOT rag tag rebel groups.

overhypedsteve:
bros calm down. America lended and leased to france and britain to prosecute the war. Up until the evening germany invaded russia the russians believed themselves to be allies with germany. Do you need citations, why did joseph stalin abandon a collective european (britain and france) front against germany? Despite his preaching of collective security? Because britain and france thought they could tame the aggressor(germany) by giving her the Sudertenland and by taking a neutral stance when italy(german ally) invaded ethiopia. Russia saw these "cowardly" action of britain and france and she realised that france and britain were not ready to fight germany but instead they wanted to push germany towards her so stalin seeing this sent the then russian FM to sign a non-agresssion pact with germany in 1939. This was stalin's reason for doing that " German's succeeded in their military activities basically hrough weakness of the western countries." - J. Stalin 1939. He personally stated that there was no occassion for conflict between Germany and the USSR.
Russia did not benefit from any lend lease program you are talking about. Russia fought a very bloody and brutal conflict within her territory without the help of her european "friends".

Whats with you guys and distorting historical facts?

That's a favourite South African pastime, corrupting world history and changing facts to lies.

They didn't know Germany got military help from Italy, Austria, and Japan. Does that mean Japanese troops were inside Russia fighting in Stalingrad? American weapons were not used by by Russia to win Stalingrad, the T-34 tank was the hero and it's a Russian tank 100%.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVvoo1qFPDo

jl115:

"South Africa has ZERO record of war victory in it's history."
WW1: SWA
WW2: North Africa
Korean War: 2 squadron
Border War

As you can see these are real wars against real enemies NOT rag tag rebel groups.

We are talking modern war, here dude. Not world war II era.

WW1 and WW2 were NOT South African led wars, they were European-American wars, Nigeria too fought against Germany and Japan in those wars, did you see me list it here ?

Korea is an American/UN war, and ended in near victory for North Korea/China leading to stalemate, how is that a South African victory?

Glory thieves art thou, Soweto burglars !

Angolan border war was a near victory for Cuba, leading to a stalemate, Cuba too claims victory.

Show us a South African led war with South Africa having UNDISPUTED VICTORY in your country's military history.
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ssaengine:
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You are posting medals awarded to SANDF elite troops that ran away from Seleka rebels !

In Nigeria, such troops will face court martial and be sentenced to death !

Sudan is your new master now.....RSA + SANDF = Tag Team Cowards !
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patches689:


[size=13pt]1. Frances defeat to Germany has resulted in them being considered cowards to this day
2. Egypt and Isreal has not praised you
3. Boko Haram is still holding ground [/size]

1. Show me where France is considered as cowards to this day, Citation needed.

Britain had almost half a million troops run away with French troops, so Britain too is a military coward today ? Citation needed.

2. Egypt and Israel praised Nigerian army masterly prowess in victory, posted here many times, no need to repeat. Everyone read the citations.

3. Show me grounds Boko Haram holds in Nigeria today, name the town.

We know Rhino poachers rule Kruger park 24/7
.

agaugust:


We are talking modern war, here dude. Not world war II era.

WW1 and WW2 were NOT South African led wars, they were European-American wars, Nigeria too fought against Germany and Japan in those wars, did you see me list it here ?

Korea is an American/UN war, and ended in near victory for North Korea/China leading to stalemate, how is that a South African victory?

Glory thieves art thou, Soweto burglars !

Angolan border war was a near victory for Cuba, leading to a stalemate, Cuba too claims victory.

Show us a South African led war with South Africa having UNDISPUTED VICTORY in your country's military history.
.

Uhm which Modern Wars has Nigeria fought? Secondly we drove the Germans out of SWA by our selves in ww1, we played a huge role in North Africa in WW2, Only 2 Sqdrn was sent to Korea, go look up what they did, and lastly we didnt lose a single battle in the Border War, Angola and SWA are also Democratic and not communist countries SO PLEASE how did Cuba defeat us?

"Show us a South African led war with South Africa having UNDISPUTED VICTORY in your country's military history."
Border War and SWA in WW1

agaugust:


You are posting medals awarded to SANDF elite troops that ran away from Seleka rebels !

In Nigeria, such troops will face court martial and be sentenced to death !

Sudan is your new master now.....RSA + SANDF = Tag Team Cowards !
.

When did they Run away? Seleka raised the white flag, it was never our objective to defend Bangui otherwise in that case Seleka defeated the French to.

agaugust:


That's a favourite South African pastime, corrupting world history and changing facts to lies.

They didn't know Germany got military help from Italy, Austria, and Japan. Does that mean Japanese troops were inside Russia fighting in Stalingrad? American weapons were not used by by Russia to win Stalingrad, the T-34 tank was the hero and it's a Russian tank 100%.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVvoo1qFPDo

how can somebody just sit at home in his arm chair and be trying to change facts?

agaugust:

We are talking modern war, here dude. Not world war II era.
WW1 and WW2 were NOT South African led wars, they were European-American wars, Nigeria too fought against Germany and Japan in those wars, did you see me list it here ?
Korea is an American/UN war, and ended in near victory for North Korea/China leading to stalemate, how is that a South African victory?
Glory thieves art thou, Soweto burglars !
Angolan border war was a near victory for Cuba, leading to a stalemate, Cuba too claims victory.
Show us a South African led war with South Africa having UNDISPUTED VICTORY in your country's military history.
.

there ve been none. Except those shaka zulu wars with naked men hauling sticks and stones. We ve written our name in stone on the history of modern warfare in africa. We ve brought the use of advanced surveillance platforms, we ve revolutionised the whole concept of CTCOIN by showing to the world that unlink in other mideastern states where regimes and the whole government aparatus are brought to a halt because of insurgency, we maintain africa's most attractive and largest economy whilst still fighting africa's most vicious and equiped rebel group. Which african country could have done that? Only the Giant of Africa.

overhypedsteve:
how can somebody just sit at home in his arm chair and be trying to change facts? there ve been none. Except those shaka zulu wars with naked men hauling sticks and stones. We ve written our name in stone on the history of modern warfare in africa. We ve brought the use of advanced surveillance platforms, we ve revolutionised the whole concept of CTCOIN by showing to the world that unlink in other mideastern states where regimes and the whole government aparatus are brought to a halt because of insurgency, we maintain africa's most attractive and largest economy whilst still fighting africa's most vicious and equiped rebel group. Which african country could have done that? Only the Giant of Africa.

BH wouldve been wiped out before even they knew they existed if the same thing happened in South Africa. To me its mind boggling that a country can allow a terrorist group to gain power to such extent that its able to mass murder thousands of civilians and not only that but allow a terrorist group to control land the size of Belgium in its own country.

All that Nigeria has showed us regarding COIN warfare is how not to do it, Why do you think Nigeria contracted South African PMC to help fight BH and train your soldiers?

The fact is in over a 100 years NO enemy force has ever come close to holding any sort of land in SA, we have defeated the Germans in SWA in WW1, defeated the Italian and Germans in North Africa in WW2 and defeated the Cubans in the Border War.

agaugust:


Story NOT disputed, only adjustment is that NO HOSTAGE TAKING of SANDF men, Sudan Government CONFIRMED 500 SUDANESE TROOPS in Toyota Pick Ups did Ramadan patrol around SANDF base, confirmed by the Sudanese government itself, they scared your army till Soweto boys were popping kilograms of shiiit inside their p.ants in broad daylight, just by seeing Sudanese thin bone boys inside Toyota Hilux

Sharing ammunition is aither one of the usual SANDF lies to cover their shame, the truth is that the South African army CONFESSED they will SURRENDER immediately to Toyota boys of Sudan without a fight

You need veteran Sudan battle survivors of the Nigerian 100 troops platoon to train SANDF on how to fight 1,000 Sudanese without surrender




.

When would you ever be sober in your reasoning?

agaugust:



You mean your new SANDF Seleka type humiliation in Sudan ?

This time, SANDF surrender was planned and agreed even before any battle started.

SANDF gets worse annually, courageis now a scarce commodity in South Africa, even the government fears to execute court order and arrest a Sudanese criminal who walked free to the airport, flew away as if a South African court of law is a comedy theatre

Your president just got his mouth slapped on homeland soil by one Sudan born crook and your 200,000 man military/paramilitary CANNOT defend the honour of your empire in 21st century
.

When would you ever make sense?

agaugust:


[s]
You mean your new SANDF Seleka type humiliation in Sudan ?

This time, SANDF surrender was planned and agreed even before any battle started.

SANDF gets worse annually, courageis now a scarce commodity in South Africa, even the government fears to execute court order and arrest a Sudanese criminal who walked free to the airport, flew away as if a South African court of law is a comedy theatre

Your president just got his mouth slapped on homeland soil by one Sudan born crook and your 200,000 man military/paramilitary CANNOT defend the honour of your empire in 21st century[/s]
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Why would men who plan on surrendering issue ammunition and plan to fight?

South African government did not want to arrest Bashir - hence the court order was needed. Stop commenting on things you dont understand.

Also, you accuse us of cowardice - yet last time I checked, 700 SANDF did not run away into a foreign country, or pretend to be women to escape combat... and your own Army Cheif says that desertion is the way of war in Nigeria

Pathetic nation.

agaugust:


[size=13pt]
The Bible says in Ecclesiastes 7:8 "Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof."

[s]Nigeria won her war against Boko Haram at the end, the holy book confirms that is the important thing, the end is the better part.

Nobody cares about the middle of the war anymore.

Even God's word justifies Nigerian military as having the better happy ending !

South Africa has ZERO record of war victory in it's history.

CASE CLOSED
[/s]
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The war continues unabated

overhypedsteve:
bros calm down. America lended and leased to france and britain to prosecute the war. Up until the evening germany invaded russia the russians believed themselves to be allies with germany. Do you need citations, why did joseph stalin abandon a collective european (britain and france) front against germany? Despite his preaching of collective security? Because britain and france thought they could tame the aggressor(germany) by giving her the Sudertenland and by taking a neutral stance when italy(german ally) invaded ethiopia. Russia saw these "cowardly" action of britain and france and she realised that france and britain were not ready to fight germany but instead they wanted to push germany towards her so stalin seeing this sent the then russian FM to sign a non-agresssion pact with germany in 1939. This was stalin's reason for doing that " German's succeeded in their military activities basically hrough weakness of the western countries." - J. Stalin 1939. He personally stated that there was no occassion for conflict between Germany and the USSR.
Russia did not benefit from any lend lease program you are talking about. Russia fought a very bloody and brutal conflict within her territory without the help of her european "friends".

Whats with you guys and distorting historical facts?

American lend lease to russia was massive and is what kept Russia in the war until her industries were moved behind the Ural Mountains
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/lend.html

agaugust:


[s]That's a favourite South African pastime, corrupting world history and changing facts to lies.

They didn't know Germany got military help from Italy, Austria, and Japan. Does that mean Japanese troops were inside Russia fighting in Stalingrad? American weapons were not used by by Russia to win Stalingrad, the T-34 tank was the hero and it's a Russian tank 100%.
[/s]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVvoo1qFPDo

I present to you a picture of a Stuart and Lee tank - in stalingrad, with russian soldiers operating them

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

agaugust:


We are talking modern war, here dude. Not world war II era.

WW1 and WW2 were NOT South African led wars, they were European-American wars, Nigeria too fought against Germany and Japan in those wars, did you see me list it here ?

Korea is an American/UN war, and ended in near victory for North Korea/China leading to stalemate, how is that a South African victory?

Glory thieves art thou, Soweto burglars !

Angolan border war was a near victory for Cuba, leading to a stalemate, Cuba too claims victory.

Show us a South African led war with South Africa having UNDISPUTED VICTORY in your country's military history.
.

- The campaigns in SWA and German East Africa were South African lead

- Nigeria was not a major combatant in WW2 and never faced Germany, less than a Regiment of Nigerian soldiers saw actual combat during the war - the majority of men were nothing but laborers.

- Korean war was a a massive UN victory, and the SAAF squadron involved was the best ground attack Squadron of the war

- If 60 000 and men can only achieve stalemate against 4000 men... what does that tell you?

Show us a Nigerian war that has lead to undisputed victory

agaugust:


You are posting medals awarded to SANDF elite troops that ran away from Seleka rebels !

In Nigeria, such troops will face court martial and be sentenced to death !

Sudan is your new master now.....RSA + SANDF = Tag Team Cowards !
.

So a 14 hour fight and a cease-fire offer from Seleka is what happens when we run away?

You shoot the cowards of your army? last time I checked you have not shot the 20 000 men who lost over 40 bases and an area the size of belgium to boko haram!!

Look at boko haram parading their spoils from Nigerian army cowards!!

agaugust:


1. Show me where France is considered as cowards to this day, Citation needed.

Britain had almost half a million troops run away with French troops, so Britain too is a military coward today ? Citation needed.

2. Egypt and Israel praised Nigerian army masterly prowess in victory, posted here many times, no need to repeat. Everyone read the citations.

3. Show me grounds Boko Haram holds in Nigeria today, name the town.

We know Rhino poachers rule Kruger park 24/7
.

1. Common knowledge

2. when did egypt and isreal praise you?

3. Sambisa forest

overhypedsteve:
how can somebody just sit at home in his arm chair and be trying to change facts? there ve been none. Except those shaka zulu wars with naked men hauling sticks and stones. We ve written our name in stone on the history of modern warfare in africa. We ve brought the use of advanced surveillance platforms, we ve revolutionised the whole concept of CTCOIN by showing to the world that unlink in other mideastern states where regimes and the whole government aparatus are brought to a halt because of insurgency, we maintain africa's most attractive and largest economy whilst still fighting africa's most vicious and equiped rebel group. Which african country could have done that? Only the Giant of Africa.

1. South Africa was the first to use advanced surveilance
2. South Africa are undisputed COIN masters - 0 PLAN incursions into civilian areas in 25 years of insurgency
2a. You called us in to teach you our ways
3. You battle against BH is one of defeat and failure - a common trend in all your wars

patches689:


So a 14 hour fight and a cease-fire offer from Seleka is what happens when we run away?

You shoot the cowards of your army? last time I checked you have not shot the 20 000 men who lost over 40 bases and an area the size of belgium to boko haram!!

Look at boko haram parading their spoils from Nigerian army cowards!!

The photo you posted is actually Nigerian army parading out tank recovered from Boko Haram after we k.illed ALL the Bokos we found with that tank, your photo is a suicide post, see the real complete image below with a Nigerian soldier

Now show me where SANDF has gone back to recover your army vehicles from Seleka, the humiliation continues daily
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patches689:


3. Sambisa forest

Show me source that says Boko Haram still occupies Sambisa forest today....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJswCVAykUU

agaugust:

Show me source that says Boko Haram still occupies Sambisa forest today....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJswCVAykUU

Marte is still safely in the hands of Boko haram.