agaugust:


So why were you telling lies that helmet is SANDF standard?

The Nigerian troops in the photo Patches have been repeatedly posting , removed helmets because of scorching sun in semi desert. So ?

A cap is also a standard issue in SANDF.


It does not make sense to wear bennies on a scorching sun only a cap to keep you cool.

FighterPilot:



Who said that is a war zone?

Patches said so....

Or is that Pretoria city they are patrolling ? UN deployed troops on mission inside Pretoria ?

Henry120:


Boy, you are so confused, and you are completely contradicting yourself.

How am I contradicting myself?

The Vice reporter considered the situation volatile enough to don body armor... as did those of your men who were be lucky enough to be issued with it

agaugust:


So why were you telling lies that helmet is SANDF standard?

The Nigerian troops in the photo Patches have been repeatedly posting , removed helmets because of scorching sun in semi desert. So ?
l

Where then is the equipment they have taken off?

Is it rendered invisible by more of that famous black magic?

Surely if you take something of yours off... you then have to carry it?? wow, strong camouflage magic nigerian army has!!

agaugust:


Patches said so....

Or is that Pretoria city they are patrolling ? UN deployed troops on mission inside Pretoria ?

That is a patrol INSIDE GOMA from 2008 ... when the region was relatively peaceful.

They walked to a local bridge to repair it. They then went and briefed the locals about the dangers of ebola and played a soccer match.

They were operating in a low threat environment

SANDF may lack complex military weapons but when it comes to personal equipments from boots, uniform, food, helmets et al, it does not compromise. Before anything else they will make sure every personnel is covered. That's one thing I respect SANDF for.

Patchesagain:
i just want to take a second to point out that the SANDF has so much equipment we have two basic battle-harnesses

the PAT83 "battle jacket" (pic 3-4) standard multi-use webbing

The m83 Chest rig (pic1-2) for direct action deployments

We see nothing like that here, all we see is a rag tag SANDF soldier in Bangui bush with ZERO kit, not even one pure water sachet to drink !
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Patchesagain:


How am I contradicting myself?

The Vice reporter considered the situation volatile enough to don body armor... as did those of your men who were be lucky enough to be issued with it

Your poorly trained troops "gisting" about pap and braai in an active war zone, while on duty!

FighterPilot:


SANDF may lack complex military weapons but when it comes to personal equipments from boots, uniform, food, helmets et al, it does not compromise. Before anything else they will make sure every personnel is covered. That's one thing I respect SANDF for.

You mean like this.... ?
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agaugust:


Patches said so....

Or is that Pretoria city they are patrolling ? UN deployed troops on mission inside Pretoria ?

Not all areas are war zone anywhere in deployments. There are areas where there is high risk and where there is none. In Congo for instance once you are in town Goma, Beni and others there is no risk at all.

agaugust:


We see nothing like that here, all we see is a rag tag SANDF soldier in Bangui bush with ZERO kit, not even one pure water sachet to drink !
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What proof do you have that he is in the bush?

What context?

[quote author=Henry120 post=38664950][/quote]

Can you provide the context of these pictures?

Do you know where and when they were taken?

I know when and were this picture was taken - Nigerian soldiers moving forward to attack boko haram

Patchesagain:

What proof do you have that he is in the bush?
What context?

Is he in your living room in johannesburg?

agaugust:


You mean like this.... ?
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That man is idling save at home.

Henry120:


Is he in your living room in johannesburg?

Can you prove he isnt?

Patchesagain:


That is a patrol INSIDE GOMA from 2008 ... when the region was relatively peaceful.

Show us date stamp for the photo.

Congo DRC was NEVER been peaceful from 1990s days of Mobutu war with rebels

Henry120:


Your poorly trained troops "gisting" about pap and braai in an active war zone, while on duty!

That area is a no war zone. I can even tell you why?

Patchesagain:


Can you provide the context of these pictures?

Do you know where and when they were taken?

I know when and were this picture was taken - Nigerian soldiers moving forward to attack boko haram

Are you drunk on palm wine?


SANDF soldiers more interested in discussing about pap in the eastern DRC, than their actual deployment.

Henry120:


Your poorly trained troops "gisting" about pap and braai in an active war zone, while on duty!

Do you know when and where the pictures were taken?

Shall we do a reverse image search?

Henry120:


Are you drunk on palm wine?


SANDF soldiers wore interested in discussing about pap in the eastern DRC, than their actual deployment.

Have we reached that point in the debate when you have nothing left to contribute?

Provide context (Date, time etc) or else the pictures are meaningless

Henry120:


Your poorly trained troops "gisting" about pap and braai in an active war zone, while on duty!

LOL.....not only playing gisting on duty in war zone...

SANDF troops with one mag each for each rifle per soldier LOL

agaugust:


Show us date stamp for the photo.

Congo DRC was NEVER been peaceful from 1997 when Mobutu died and war started.

Agubugubu, most of the towns in Eastern CONGO are safe. The economy, schools and all the activities such as clubbing and entertainment are going on smoothly without interruption. Many people like you seem to think that in peacekeeping mission there is war going on nonstop. That is no true my friend. You can deploy and finish your cycle without having shot a single bullet.

agaugust:


LOL.....not only playing gisting on duty in war zone...

SANDF troops with one mag each for each rifle per soldier LOL

That area is not a war zone else there wouldn't have been that congo man on piki-piki, a motor bike like it is called in Congo. Also those women walking in a relaxed mood coming from the market on the background. African countries usually use market to sell commodities isn't?

Henry120:


Are you drunk on palm wine?


SANDF soldiers wore interested in discussing about pap in the eastern DRC, than their actual deployment.

o look... the image is from APR 2013... when did the South Africans under the FIB redeploy to Goma?

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-26-00-who-wants-sa-back-in-bangui

agaugust:


Show us date stamp for the photo.

Congo DRC was NEVER been peaceful from 1990s days of Mobutu war with rebels

Because that is when they were entitled on the forum I got them from.

Prove me wrong - provide context

FighterPilot:


That area is not a war zone else there wouldn't have been that congo man on piki-piki, a motor bike like it is called in Congo. Also those women walking in a relaxed mood coming from the market on the background. African countries usually use market to sell commodities isn't?

If there is no war threat there, no soldier would have been posted to mount check point there in the first place.

Your SANDF on war duty with one magazine per rifle....per soldier....in Congo volatile war zone

agaugust:


[s]If there is no war threat there, no soldier would have been posted to mount check point there in the first place.

Your SANDF on war duty with one magazine per rifle....per soldier....in Congo volatile war zone[/s]

Who says they are mounting a checkpoint?

Maybe they are walking to the spaza shop to buy a box of smokes?

Maybe they are standing there because thats where they get cellphone reception?

Maybe they just like standing there?

Unless you provide context you cannot draw any inferences from the picture

agaugust:


If there is no war threat there, no soldier would have been posted to mount check point there in the first place.

Your SANDF on war duty with one magazine per rifle....per soldier....in Congo volatile war zone

Just because Nigeria has war does not mean the whole of Nigeria is under siege. The UN troops are posted in Congo cities to station there and is not only SA troops camp you find. There are Bolivia camp, Indian camp, Pakistan camp, etc. Rebels would never come any closer, instead they are residing in the bush in remote areas.

Patchesagain:


Because that is when they were entitled on the forum I got them from.

Prove me wrong - provide context

You never proved yourself right in the first place.

The burden of proof is on you making the false claim. Prove your claim first !
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agaugust:


You never proved yourself right in the first place.

The burden of proof is on you making the false claim. Prove your claim first !
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But those pics you posted were taken from residential area where I know 100% are risk free areas.

agaugust:


Again, we see you acting like the Nigerian troops in the VICE NEWS journalists photo at Konduga are our only deployment.

Happily forgetting the men in Mali and Sudan. We too have shown you photos of NA troops in combat zone.

SANDF troops have been caught on camera doing combat patrol in war zone Congo DRC with NO helmet and NO body armour !!!
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Risk free area.

Patchesagain:


1. Intergration of ACRIC into the ASF has been the plan from the start- read the citations

2. ASF does not yet exist - hence we stood up and filled the capacity gap while we waited for ASF TO COME ONLINE IN DECEMBER 2015

3. Nope, only South Africa and East Africa have actual standing formations

4. What are you talking about? South Africa is the only ACRIC contributor... and has said the force will be our ASF contribution when ASF comes online

5. ACRIC is not duplicity. ACRIC = ASF

Again, congradulations at showing you have no idea what you are talking about.

ACRIC and ASF are not two seperate things... they are completely interrelated. What has happened is that South Africa has stood up and (at great personal expense -$400million) fulled the continental gap in capacity while we await you vagabonds to get your act together.

Now hurry up and send your men to our battle school so we can show teach you how the ASF will work

BIG FAT LIE!!!

1)if ACIRC was formed to integrate into ASF. If it were so ,why this comment: Critics are also concerned that the ACIRC may draw attention away and undermine the investment that has been put into launching the ASF. If the AU has been unable to agree on a standby force for more than a decade it remains doubtful it would be possible to organise a more complex and costly rapid reaction force since the fundamentals are not very different for both of these forces.

3) You deserve to be banned for life. you're a disgrace to online debate . Boring, tactless troll. Read here : In 2003, the AU finalized plans for a rapid reaction unit, the African Standby Force (ASF), that could be deployed around the continent in the event of “grave circumstances.” Yet today, only three of five African regions – Western, Southern, and Eastern Africa – have their brigades ready to deploy .

file:///storage/emulated/0/UCDownloads/What%20to%20Expect%20from%20the%20African%20Union%20Summit%20%C2%AB%20Africa%20in%20Transit.mht

2) I skipped number 2 because it's not under contention. You're saying the same endless repetition.

4) South Africa isn't the only contributor read this: The ACIRC is a 'coalition of the willing'. Contributions and participation are voluntary and countries will be using their own troops and money when called upon to respond to future missions under the aegis of the ACIRC. South Africa isn't even buoyant enough to fulfil its own contribution. Sandf begging for funds as I type this.

file:///storage/emulated/0/UCDownloads/Africa%20Watch.mht

5) ACIRC IS A STUPID DUPLICITY ONLY A NOVICE COUNTRY LIKE SOUTH AFRICAN CAN DO: ACIRC will continue to play its part - at least on paper - until the Rapid Deployment Capability is up and running, the ISS PSC Report suggests. 'As soon as the ASF can operationalise its own Rapid Deployment Capability, ACIRC will have served its purpose and is likely to be dismantled,' it concludes. An honourable discharge, no doubt, for saving, if not lives, then at least face.

Written by Peter Fabricius, ISS Consultant

Lastly :

“The big challenge and this is the big irony is that SA which is championing ACIRC doesn’t really have the capability to support ACIRC… There’s a disjuncture between the capabilities that SA has and its ambition,” said Jakkie Cilliers, executive director of the Institute for Security Studies.
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-01-14-playing-the-african-statesman-with-teeth-is-president-zumas-new-fighting-force-such-a-good-idea/#.VhFp4Zgo8uo