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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:06am On Jun 19, 2013
CAMEROONPRIDE: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?121693-REQ-African-militaries/page42&highlight=bakassi

many pictures of African armies.

good job. thanks. can you kindly post photos of only female cameroonian soldiers in tight fitting trousers ? grin grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:07am On Jun 19, 2013
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:10am On Jun 19, 2013
@craig you ask if we have political influence? This goes to show the truth that you are not only a late comer in the forum but that SADafrica as a whole is a late comer in Africa's politics.

The problem is you if you did not know that we had and still have judges serving as chief justices of several african countries including countries in your SADC!!!

We had and still have soldiers serving as defence chiefs in so many african countries.

OBJ single handedly reinstated a legitimate and democratically elected head of state back to his office in Sao tome.

I will post weblinks for you so you can get to know us more. I know you will never admit openly that you are learning something here

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:11am On Jun 19, 2013
agaugust:

good job. thanks. can you kindly post photos of only female cameroonian soldiers in tight fitting trousers ? grin grin
will see if i can find some
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:17am On Jun 19, 2013
@kwame "things fall apart" isnt talked about for nothing. Read below.

Things Fall Apart
Context
Albert Chinualumogu Achebe was born on
November 16, 1930, in Ogidi, a large village
in Nigeria. Although he was the child of a
Protestant missionary and received his early
education in English, his upbringing was
multicultural, as the inhabitants of Ogidi still
lived according to many aspects of
traditional Igbo (formerly written as Ibo)
culture. Achebe attended the Government
College in Umuahia from 1944 to 1947. He
graduated from University College, Ibadan,
in 1953. While he was in college, Achebe
studied history and theology. He also
developed his interest in indigenous
Nigerian cultures, and he rejected his
Christian name, Albert, for his indigenous
one, Chinua.
In the 1950s, Achebe was one of the
founders of a Nigerian literary movement
that drew upon the traditional oral culture
of its indigenous peoples. In 1959, he
published Things Fall Apart as a response to
novels, such as Joseph Conrad’s Heart of
Darkness, that treat Africa as a primordial
and cultureless foil for Europe. Tired of
reading white men’s accounts of how
primitive, socially backward, and, most
important, language-less native Africans
were, Achebe sought to convey a fuller
understanding of one African culture and,
in so doing, give voice to an
underrepresented and exploited colonial
subject.
Things Fall Apart is set in the 1890s and
portrays the clash between Nigeria’s white
colonial government and the traditional
culture of the indigenous Igbo people.
Achebe’s novel shatters the stereotypical
European portraits of native Africans. He is
careful to portray the complex, advanced
social institutions and artistic traditions of
Igbo culture prior to its contact with
Europeans. Yet he is just as careful not to
stereotype the Europeans; he offers varying
depictions of the white man, such as the
mostly benevolent Mr. Brown, the zealous
Reverend Smith, and the ruthlessly
calculating District Commissioner.
Achebe’s education in English and exposure
to European customs have allowed him to
capture both the European and the African
perspectives on colonial expansion, religion,
race, and culture. His decision to write
Things Fall Apart in English is an important
one. Achebe wanted this novel to respond
to earlier colonial accounts of Africa; his
choice of language was thus political. Unlike
some later African authors who chose to
revitalize native languages as a form of
resistance to colonial culture, Achebe
wanted to achieve cultural revitalization
within and through English. Nevertheless,
he manages to capture the rhythm of the
Igbo language and he integrates Igbo
vocabulary into the narrative.
Achebe has become renowned throughout
the world as a father of modern African
literature, essayist, and professor of English
literature at Bard College in New York. But
Achebe’s achievements are most concretely
reflected by his prominence in Nigeria’s
academic culture and in its literary and
political institutions. He worked for the
Nigerian Broadcasting Company for over a
decade and later became an English
professor at the University of Nigeria. He
has also been quite influential in the
publication of new Nigerian writers. In
1967, he co-founded a publishing company
with a Nigerian poet named Christopher
Okigbo and in 1971, he began editing
Okike, a respected journal of Nigerian
writing. In 1984, he founded Uwa ndi Igbo,
a bilingual magazine containing a great
deal of information about Igbo culture. He
has been active in Nigerian politics since
the 1960s, and many of his novels address
the post-colonial social and political
problems that Nigeria still faces.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:17am On Jun 19, 2013
@kwame "things fall apart" isnt talked about for nothing. Read below.

Things Fall Apart
Context
Albert Chinualumogu Achebe was born on
November 16, 1930, in Ogidi, a large village
in Nigeria. Although he was the child of a
Protestant missionary and received his early
education in English, his upbringing was
multicultural, as the inhabitants of Ogidi still
lived according to many aspects of
traditional Igbo (formerly written as Ibo)
culture. Achebe attended the Government
College in Umuahia from 1944 to 1947. He
graduated from University College, Ibadan,
in 1953. While he was in college, Achebe
studied history and theology. He also
developed his interest in indigenous
Nigerian cultures, and he rejected his
Christian name, Albert, for his indigenous
one, Chinua.
In the 1950s, Achebe was one of the
founders of a Nigerian literary movement
that drew upon the traditional oral culture
of its indigenous peoples. In 1959, he
published Things Fall Apart as a response to
novels, such as Joseph Conrad’s Heart of
Darkness, that treat Africa as a primordial
and cultureless foil for Europe. Tired of
reading white men’s accounts of how
primitive, socially backward, and, most
important, language-less native Africans
were, Achebe sought to convey a fuller
understanding of one African culture and,
in so doing, give voice to an
underrepresented and exploited colonial
subject.
Things Fall Apart is set in the 1890s and
portrays the clash between Nigeria’s white
colonial government and the traditional
culture of the indigenous Igbo people.
Achebe’s novel shatters the stereotypical
European portraits of native Africans. He is
careful to portray the complex, advanced
social institutions and artistic traditions of
Igbo culture prior to its contact with
Europeans. Yet he is just as careful not to
stereotype the Europeans; he offers varying
depictions of the white man, such as the
mostly benevolent Mr. Brown, the zealous
Reverend Smith, and the ruthlessly
calculating District Commissioner.
Achebe’s education in English and exposure
to European customs have allowed him to
capture both the European and the African
perspectives on colonial expansion, religion,
race, and culture. His decision to write
Things Fall Apart in English is an important
one. Achebe wanted this novel to respond
to earlier colonial accounts of Africa; his
choice of language was thus political. Unlike
some later African authors who chose to
revitalize native languages as a form of
resistance to colonial culture, Achebe
wanted to achieve cultural revitalization
within and through English. Nevertheless,
he manages to capture the rhythm of the
Igbo language and he integrates Igbo
vocabulary into the narrative.
Achebe has become renowned throughout
the world as a father of modern African
literature, essayist, and professor of English
literature at Bard College in New York. But
Achebe’s achievements are most concretely
reflected by his prominence in Nigeria’s
academic culture and in its literary and
political institutions. He worked for the
Nigerian Broadcasting Company for over a
decade and later became an English
professor at the University of Nigeria. He
has also been quite influential in the
publication of new Nigerian writers. In
1967, he co-founded a publishing company
with a Nigerian poet named Christopher
Okigbo and in 1971, he began editing
Okike, a respected journal of Nigerian
writing. In 1984, he founded Uwa ndi Igbo,
a bilingual magazine containing a great
deal of information about Igbo culture. He
has been active in Nigerian politics since
the 1960s, and many of his novels address
the post-colonial social and political
problems that Nigeria still faces.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:27am On Jun 19, 2013
@kwame your rohilala or should i say your adopted rohilala (hope i got mandela's name correctly) said this of Chinua Achebe: "he is the writer in whose company, the prison walls fell down"

he did not say this of a ghanaian neither did he say it of his fellow SADafricans.

Your demi god in SADafrica said this of one of Nigeria's most illustrous sons and Africa's brightest achievment, yet one late comer SADafrican craig is asking what we have achieved in 50years

shame onto you for biting the hands that wrote your true story craig

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:44am On Jun 19, 2013
@SADafricans read whats below and come to know what you did not know about your GIANT brother.

This is the only country that, since independence, has made africa the centre peice of its foreign policy

Nigeria's Leadership Roles in Africa and
Daunting Challenges
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Nigeria has since Independence been
playing a significant leadership role in the
West African Sub-region and indeed the
African continent. Africa has remained the
centerpiece of Nigeria’s foreign policy since
independence in 1960.
With a population of about 150 million
people, almost one quarter of the African
continent and being endowed with
immense physical and human resources,
Nigeria is destined to play leadership roles
in the affairs of the continent. This is exactly
what the country has been doing for
decades, notwithstanding the financial,
political, social and diplomatic challenges.
Successive Nigerian governments have
consistently accorded special attention to
the plight and conditions of her brothers
and sisters in Africa, which has made the
basic principles of Nigeria’s foreign policy
“Afro-centric” and that of its brother’s
keeper.
In Nigeria’s Afro-centric foreign policy, the
West African Sub-region remains the first
line of implementation. Given the vast size,
natural, economic and human resources,
large market drive, Nigeria perceives itself as
having an historic mission to exercise
hegemonic influence in the West African
Sub-region and indeed, the black world. Her
economic strength and the high level of
human resources at her disposal have
allowed her a measure of autonomy in the
pursuit of Africa’s genuine interests in
global politics. This can be seen in her role in
the Organization for African Unity, which
later metamorphosised into the African
Union (AU), other sub regional groupings
such as Economic Community of West
African States (ECOWAS), the Chad Basin
Commission and Commonwealth of Nations.
The role that Nigeria has played in various
international organizations over the years
has been proactive, especially in the AU.
Nigeria has vigorously articulated and
consistently defended African concerns and
interests as a member of various
international organizations. She has used
this platform to champion the interests of
Africa in the true spirit of Pan- Africanism.
That is why in recognition of her struggles
and contribution to the elimination of
colonialism, apartheid and racism she was
categorized as a “Frontline State”.
In line with her leading role in the AU and
ECOWAS, Nigeria has been supportive of
these organizations in the area of conflict
resolution. The framework for this has been
provided in Article III of the Charter which
commits the AU to peaceful settlement of
disputes by negotiation, mediation,
conciliation or arbitration. Nigeria’s
participation in peace keeping efforts is a
manifestation of its concern and regard for
the need to give priority and clear
expression to the value of the bond which
forms part of history of all Africans,
particularly those who inhabit the West
Coast of the continent. Nigeria had the
largest contingent in the ECOMOG peace
keeping force, committing huge human and
financial resources to the activities of the
force.
Nigeria continuously plays crucial mediatory
roles in crisis situations among African
countries and the rest of the international
community. Her contributions towards
peace and stability in Africa are unparalleled.
Specifically, she has participated in peace
keeping operations in the Chad, Liberia,
Sierra Leone, the Democratic Republic of
Congo, Angola, Cote d’ Ivoire, Somalia and
Darfur in Sudan, to mention a few.
Among the immediate challenges facing
Nigeria as a leading country in the African
continent, is resolving the many conflicts
raging on the continent. Nigeria and indeed
the entire West African region have devoted
considerable human, material, political and
diplomatic resources to the resolution of the
crises in the sub-region, starting far back
with Liberia and then to Chad, Sierra Leone,
Guinea Bissau, Democratic Republic of
Congo (DRC), Angola and more recently the
Darfur crisis, to mention a few.
Within the West African Sub region,
successive administrations in Nigeria have
ensured the promotion of cooperation with
other African nations in all fields of human
endeavour through economic exchanges
and regional integration of members. This
has been achieved through deployment of
more Technical Aide Corps (TAC) volunteers
whose services have been in high demand
by other countries to assist in the areas of
their manpower needs. In specific terms,
there have been considerable integration
through sharing Nigeria’s know-how and
expertise with other African, Caribbean and
Pacific (ACP) countries; Promotion of
integrated infrastructure in the West African
sub-region; Establishment of the ECOWAS
free trade area; Promotion of sub regional
(ECOWAS) Economic integration;
Establishment of the Ministry of Cooperation
and Integration (which was later subsumed
in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs);
Establishment of the Second West African
Monetary Zone; Complete eradication of all
rigid border formalities; Adoption of a
common ECOWAS Passport; Establishment of
ECOWAS Trade Liberalization Scheme (TLS);
Establishment of the ECOWAS Court of
Justice; and Promotion of sub regional
peace and security initiatives.
The leadership role of Nigeria in the 21st
century can be discerned through the need
for Nigeria to overcome its domestic
problems without necessarily over
stretching itself to attain African unity. The
resources needed to back up her policies
towards the continent and beyond should
not be in short supply as this may bring
with it complex problems at the political and
social levels. Therefore, she must
continuously commit herself towards
ensuring peace and stability in the
continent, most importantly in the West
African Sub region.
With a successful political transition and
democratization, and turning 50 on October
1st 2010, a new era has opened up for
Nigeria towards improving its foreign
relations with other countries of the
developing world. It is expected that she will
not only assume a very prominent position
on African affairs, but will also serve as the
fulcrum, together with South Africa, upon
which the economic and political integration
of Africa will be built, in the near future. It is
also expected that, amongst other things,
the new thrust of Nigeria’s foreign policy
should be more inward looking to enable
the country project power externally from a
position of strength and not weakness,
arising from the resolve of all outstanding
issues within the polity. On the basis of this,
the country would do well to utilise and
improve on its position as a non-permanent
member of the Security Council of the United
Nations. This would be a catalyst in her
aspiration and desire to be a strong
member in the comity of Nations.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:28am On Jun 19, 2013
@all, i have to go now. I will join you tomorrow. I have wasted substancial time here. I actually mae to class to study. But i have given 2hours of my time trying to respond to people who cannot be responded to.

Una well done awon OMO Naija. It is so unfortunate how some people just have a false image of themselves even though they have never being out of their village before.

You SAns should mind what you say about Nigeria. If you push us to the wall, it is then you will suddenly realise that you've got no muscle on the continent at all. A power tusle between us two isnt going to be in anyone's favour and we are certainly, not going to lose. Like it is always said, "Naija no dey carry last"

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:32am On Jun 19, 2013
agaugust:

dont deceive us here, you all said south african army uses modern weapons and is 'world class' according to all of you on this thread....therefore, whatever types of weapons south african army left behind, while Bolting away like Usain Bol.t are highly rated weapons of a fleeing army.

seleka rebel poses confidently with a captured south african army vehicle



south africans on this thread have boasted that their 'highly rated' rifles will wipe out enemies armed with AK-47 rifles...this photo tells a different story.
This dude is resourceful, where do you get this images!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:36am On Jun 19, 2013
agaugust:

....no wonder the two bloods mixed up wrongly and poisoned his brain grin
I 'haff' die oo grin grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 7:01am On Jun 19, 2013
sheyie2007: This dude is resourceful, where do you get this images!

Dude! You are your Pat on shoulder comes with nothing. Unfortunately, the vehicle above with Seleka rebel is not a South African military vehicle. Our Armies do not drive that nonsense.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:07am On Jun 19, 2013
agaugust:

when south africa pee pees or pooh poohs in her boxer shorts, you always have an excuse like....there was no toilet on that street grin grin

I gave you a valid, well documented reason why SA developed the Rooivalk. Most of SA's well known weapons systems were developed because it was illegal to sell us arms. Now when you have no come back you reply with this nonsense. How sad.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:08am On Jun 19, 2013
Msauza:

Dude! You are your Pat on shoulder comes with nothing. Unfortunately, the vehicle above with Seleka rebel is not a South African military vehicle. Our Armies do not drive that nonsense.

Incorrect
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:20am On Jun 19, 2013
agaugust:

dont deceive us here, you all said south african army uses modern weapons and is 'world class' according to all of you on this thread....therefore, whatever types of weapons south african army left behind, while Bolting away like Usain Bol.t are highly rated weapons of a fleeing army.

seleka rebel poses confidently with a captured south african army vehicle



south africans on this thread have boasted that their 'highly rated' rifles will wipe out enemies armed with AK-47 rifles...this photo tells a different story.

Hahahahaha. What I love about this picture is that its taken from the article in which a Seleka commander cleary states we killed hundreds of their men, and fought very well. Explain that please agaugust? You claim we ran away, and yet the link you use quotes our enemy stating we fought bravely. You have shot yourself in the foot.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:24am On Jun 19, 2013
Msauza:

Dude! You are your Pat on shoulder comes with nothing. Unfortunately, the vehicle above with Seleka rebel is not a South African military vehicle. Our Armies do not drive that nonsense.

south african army on Gecko military vehicle designed for and used by its special forces

[img]http://livemag.co.za/wp-content/themes/livemag/timthumb.php?src=http://livemag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sandf.jpg&w=480&h=360[/img]

seleka rebel captures, poses on south africa Gecko military vehicle after special forces of south africa Bolted away like Usain Bolt



Gecko military is a proudly south african product and is used by its elite special forces.

weblink source : http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4832.html

only heaven knows how many lies south africans have told us on this thread. @Msauza, swallow you lie, @CraigB and @Kwame tut both bury your head in shame because south africa livea and thrives on falsehood and deceit....even denying your own home made proudly south african product just to deceive nigerians and other african.

.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by NaijaPikinGidi: 8:27am On Jun 19, 2013
Henry120:

The entire african military budget (egypt,nigeria, south africa and algeria included) is just the same size as the italian military peace time budget. Yet africans have succeeded in killing themselves/ourselves in hundreds of thousands since the start of the new millenium.

The supposed strength/symbol of the continent, the headquarters of the AU in addis ababa, is a chinese built, labour and donated building. An infrastructure that should have been out rightly rejected by our leaders, and insisted on an african built and financed edifice.

To @naijapikingidi's question, as usual the AU's response would be slow, stuttery and down right disabled as usual.

At the moment, there is no AU standby intervention force. The idea has only been tinkered with, and nothing concrete yet on the table.

As regards the reaction along sub-regional lines, ethiopia would most certainly receive substantial military support, in the form of personnel from her neighbouring states, fighters from kenya, somaliland, djibouti, south sudan, tanzania and uganda. You'd notice I left out eriteria and somalia, these countries would rather watch ethiopia go up in flames, than to even pick up sticks and assist them. Asides the aforementioned, there would be little or no military support in the form hardware from these nations, as most of them can barely defend themselves with what they have.

Nigeria, as usual would always be non-alinged. We would not take sides. However it is sad to say this, yet again the united states would set/step in to douse the situation, as african nations have shown they lack either the capacity or the political will to make the right decisions.

Mali and CAR presents good examples of an embarrassment to the African union, and nigeria and south africa in particular.

In the case of mali, west african generals only had meetings, upon meetings upon meetings, while the north of mali continued to fall, eventually fell and rebels almost to bamako, before an SOS was sent to the french to intervene.

We could argue that nigeria eventually sent in serious military hardware as we have seen with photos pasted by@fynline, but left to nigeria and AU in mali and our november of 2013 military intervention time-table, Abou zied would have been president and moukthar belmoukthar would have been the supreme leader of the jihadist state of mali.

At the end of the day, the AU, first has to grow home grown capacity and to solve african issues, using african solutions.

African leaders must begin to show sincere political will in dealing with African problems, else we continue to play second fiddle to the US and france in our own mother land.

There would be no alignment of continental allied forces, as those forces do not exists.

The united states would be the overall victor at the end of the day.

Henry120 my bros, deep analysis about Africa's non-challance in matters of serious concern to peace and stability on the continent. I'd suggest that an Egypt vs. Ethiopia war will not happen. Egypt is most likely just posturing to get Ethiopia intimidated. Each side will eventually sit around the table to negotiatate a middle-ground. We haven't talked about a possible Isreali involvement on the Ethiopian side especially with the very significant Jewish Ethiopian population that's likely to be affected. I'm for the notion that Africa can talk for peace and not all war.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:31am On Jun 19, 2013
saengine:

Hahahahaha. What I love about this picture is that its taken from the article in which a Seleka commander cleary states we killed hundreds of their men, and fought very well. Explain that please agaugust? You claim we ran away, and yet the link you use quotes our enemy stating we fought bravely. You have shot yourself in the foot.

you fist explain the fact that your country man @Msauza denied that Gecko is a south african military vehicle....and bury y.our head in shame grin

show us a neutral/reliable/non-south african web-link source where seleka says hundreds of its soldiers died while only 13 south africans died. that kill ratio is unheard of in modern war when you are outnumbered ratio 10:1, then y.ou kill in ratio 60:1 and you still say you were less armed and not using your highly rated weapons....even american world best army rangers could not kill local somalia rebels in ratio 60:1 during black hawk down...check war history, stop F00LING yourselves.

.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:33am On Jun 19, 2013
agaugust:

south african army on Gecko military vehicle designed for and used by its special forces

[img]http://livemag.co.za/wp-content/themes/livemag/timthumb.php?src=http://livemag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sandf.jpg&w=480&h=360[/img]

seleka rebels captures and poses on south africa Gecko military vehicle after the special forces of south africa Bolted away like Usain Bolt



Gecko military is a proudly south african product and is used by its elite special forces.

weblink source : http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4832.html

only heaven knows how many lies south africans have told us on this thread. @Msauza, swallow you lie, @CraigB and @Kwame tut both bury your head in shame because south africa livea and thrives on falsehood and deceit....even denying your own home made proudly south african product just to deceive nigerians and other african.

.

I told him he was incorrect. And you yourself are incorrect to say its used by special forces. It's almost exclusively used by our paratroopers to move around heavy motars.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 8:33am On Jun 19, 2013
agaugust:

nigeria invading south africa, it would not work, no navy with year 1980 blue/green water warships will attack a navy with year 2005 blue/green warships. nigerian navy will lose to south africa in blue waters as at today 2013, year 2014 nigeria will win because our news stealth warships have a face to face combat advantage nobody has notice on nairaland.

however, nigerian navy will defeat south african navy in brown waters/coastal waters/inland waters because no navy with 30 units of year 1980 fast attack boats will attack a navy with 300 units of year 2010 fast attack boats.

the game is a one-one draw draw for navies on both sides, they are built differently because their 22km territorial waters are very different by nature, nigeria is shallow and swampy, south africa is deep and clear.

land warfare nigeria is superior to south africa as at today and will defeat south africa due to more artillery firepower about 1,200 against 500, satellite and spy balloon great recce 100% advantage, and the hundreds of more modern modular infantry fighting vehicles, more soldiers about 120,000 against 40,000 then nigerian army's mixed combat tactics built from super powers nations armies in training, and nigeria's better war experiance/track record. nigerian army will absolutely uproot and delete the south african army from the earth's surface.

this is very key to ranking military power because the army owns the land takes the land rules the land. a navy with good ships and submarines will be useless on land, an air force with good jet fighters will be useless and have no airport to take off and land after their army has lost the land battle.

argentina has a better air force than britain in falklands war but had to surrender after the argentine army surrendered to british army.

america and the allies could not defeat iraq until their army moved in to uproot the iraqi army, only an army can occupy land.

Gripen jet threat ? Nigerian army will swallow up the 8 or even 26 Gripen jets with an overwhelming air defence system and the 100% recce adavantage from spy tech from space. south african airforce lacks the capability to execute a SEAD on nigerian military, only super powers can do it, or the lesser powers like Israel, Sweden, Pakistan, Ukraine, etc

based on the above i confidently say nigeria has a better military than south africa.

egypt is the only power to fear, and if they dont execute a lightning strike/blitzkreig, nigeria will bounce back with 'game changer' modular weapons and hold egypt to a draw. nigeria's rapidly growing local defence industry producing rifles, body armour, GPMG, mortars, armoured vehicles, rockets/missiles, robots, drones, spy balloons, stealth missile warships....she can sustain a very long war.

....and egypt may lose to nigeria in urban/city warfare based on experience, manpower, and mixed combat tactics.


Easier sad than done. I completely disagree with the crap you have written above.

1. South Africa has better war history than Nigeria. In history SA exchanged fire with superpowers, namely, Germany, Britain, Russia and small countries Angola and Cuba. SA never lost in all of those wars. It is no secret that Nigeria has never fought any country other than its own people.

2. South Africa has better weaponry and technology than Nigeria. You cannot win war with the old equipment

3. South Africa has a blue water navy which will give it an advantage over any brown water navy. There will be no need to push to the coastal when they can simply attack from the long range.

4. South African Army might be small but it uses better equipment and excellent modern weaponry which were locally made and exclusive to SA, thus, their weapons firepower can only be speculated from the internet. Numbers do not matter in war, this has been proven by South African in Angola against Cubans and Russians and now recently against over 3000 rebels in CAR. This has only been the culture of SA military van toeka. One taxi(mini-bus), one soldier. Moreover South Africa has a large reserve forces.

SA recces whose weapons are unknown have advantage over those of Nigeria which are still very young and inexperienced.

5. Nigeria is living under fallacious believe that they have a better and modern air defence system that is impenetrable. Only fools will be deceived that Roland air defence system can stop and counter offensive of the supersonic fourth generation fighters. Airforce is much important as its armies and army that fails to defend its air space will soon be defeated because airstrikes come with a hefty price to pay.

6. SA has potential on the uses of UAVs and biological warfare which is forbidden in any conventional war. In this area South Africa is hundred years more advanced than Nigeria. Any country that feel threatened of any defeat can simply resort to these measures.

My conclusion is that Nigeria will never defeat South Africa. That will only happen in Agaugust dreams.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 8:40am On Jun 19, 2013
saengine:

Incorrect

Dude, I have read on the newspaper that Bozize's government offered South African contingent military vehicles to use throughout the mission. By the way what do you call that kind of vehicle since I have never seen that in South Africa?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:44am On Jun 19, 2013
agaugust:

you fist explain the fact that your country man @Msauza denied that Gecko is a south african military vehicle....and bury y.our head in shame grin

show us a neutral/reliable/non-south african web-link source where seleka says hundreds of its soldiers died while only 13 south africans died. that kill ratio is unheard of in modern war when you are outnumbered ratio 10:1, then y.ou kill in ratio 60:1 and you still say you were less armed and not using your highly rated weapons....even american world best army rangers could not kill local somalia rebels in ratio 60:1 during black hawk down...check war history, stop F00LING yourselves.

.

So let me just understand what you are saying. You are saying that the SELEKA commanders in that article that YOU took the picture from are lying? You're saying that those two commanders who have been mentioned by name don't exist, or they are making up the story about us fighting well. But at the same time you are willing to use the picture from the article that you claim is a lie to make your point. So everything about the article is a lie, except the part of it that you wanted to use....i.e the picture? Hahahahahaha.....what an embarrassment!! Show us a weblink of a similar picture from another source, otherwise that picture is also fake. Hahaha...wow, what a nice laugh im having
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:45am On Jun 19, 2013
saengine:
I gave you a valid, well documented reason why SA developed the Rooivalk. Most of SA's well known weapons systems were developed because it was illegal to sell us arms. Now when you have no come back you reply with this nonsense. How sad.


south africa had same problem with Mirage 2000 jet fighter, why did she not develop a jet fighter instead of modifying Mirage into Cheetah ?

Rooivalk was targeted at a world market as a 'better' helicopter gunship made in south africa, but it failed. let me tell you why, and go tell DENEL to learn from its mistake :

the rival Mi-35 hind was a market success because it is a modular weapon. Rooivalk is not modular. learn and be wise.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by HezronLorraine(m): 8:45am On Jun 19, 2013
Msauza:

Easier sad than done. I completely disagree with the crap you have written above.

1. South Africa has better war history than Nigeria. In history SA exchanged fire with superpowers, namely, Germany, Britain, Russia and small countries Angola and Cuba. SA never lost in all of those wars. It is no secret that Nigeria has never fought any country other than its own people.

2. South Africa has better weaponry and technology than Nigeria. You cannot win war with the old equipment

3. South Africa has a blue water navy which will give it an advantage over any brown water navy. There will be no need to push to the coastal when they can simply attack from the long range.

4. South African Army might be small but it uses better equipment and excellent modern weaponry which were locally made and exclusive to SA, thus, their weapons firepower can only be speculated from the internet. Numbers do not matter in war, this has been proven by South African in Angola against Cubans and Russians and now recently against over 3000 rebels in CAR. This has only been the culture of SA military van toeka. One taxi(mini-bus), one soldier. Moreover South Africa has a large reserve forces.

SA recces whose weapons are unknown have advantage over those of Nigeria which are still very young and inexperienced.

5. Nigeria is living under fallacious believe that they have a better and modern air defence system that is impenetrable. Only fools will be deceived that Roland air defence system can stop and counter offensive of the supersonic fourth generation fighters. Airforce is much important as its armies and army that fails to defend its air space will soon be defeated because airstrikes come with a hefty price to pay.

6. SA has potential on the uses of UAVs and biological warfare which is forbidden in any conventional war. In this area South Africa is hundred years more advanced than Nigeria. Any country that feel threatened of any defeat can simply resort to these measures.

My conclusion is that Nigeria will never defeat South Africa. That will only happen in Agaugust dreams.

every single point u made had been previously visited on this thread and they've proven to be baseless and bear no hold on SA being the victor.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:46am On Jun 19, 2013
Msauza:

Dude, I have read on the newspaper that Bozize's government offered South African contingent military vehicles to use throughout the mission. By the way what do you call that kind of vehicle since I have never seen that in South Africa?

Gecko vehicle used by paratroopers. We might have got Toyota 4x4 from them which we modified with weapons.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:50am On Jun 19, 2013
saengine:
I told him he was incorrect. And you yourself are incorrect to say its used by special forces. It's almost exclusively used by our paratroopers to move around heavy motars.

i am correct, both SANDF paratroops and special forces use Gecko, you will embarrass yourself less if you quit spending your time on how to 'embarrass' me with issues of little value.

SANDF Gecko used by special forces http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4832.html

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by NaijaPikinGidi: 8:51am On Jun 19, 2013
Msauza:

Easier sad than done. I completely disagree with the crap you have written above.

1. South Africa has better war history than Nigeria. In history SA exchanged fire with superpowers, namely, Germany, Britain, Russia and small countries Angola and Cuba. SA never lost in all of those wars. It is no secret that Nigeria has never fought any country other than its own people.

2. South Africa has better weaponry and technology than Nigeria. You cannot win war with the old equipment

3. South Africa has a blue water navy which will give it an advantage over any brown water navy. There will be no need to push to the coastal when they can simply attack from the long range.

4. South African Army might be small but it uses better equipment and excellent modern weaponry which were locally made and exclusive to SA, thus, their weapons firepower can only be speculated from the internet. Numbers do not matter in war, this has been proven by South African in Angola against Cubans and Russians and now recently against over 3000 rebels in CAR. This has only been the culture of SA military van toeka. One taxi(mini-bus), one soldier. Moreover South Africa has a large reserve forces.

SA recces whose weapons are unknown have advantage over those of Nigeria which are still very young and inexperienced.

5. Nigeria is living under fallacious believe that they have a better and modern air defence system that is impenetrable. Only fools will be deceived that Roland air defence system can stop and counter offensive of the supersonic fourth generation fighters. Airforce is much important as its armies and army that fails to defend its air space will soon be defeated because airstrikes come with a hefty price to pay.

6. SA has potential on the uses of UAVs and biological warfare which is forbidden in any conventional war. In this area South Africa is hundred years more advanced than Nigeria. Any country that feel threatened of any defeat can simply resort to these measures.

My conclusion is that Nigeria will never defeat South Africa. That will only happen in Agaugust dreams.


Mngani wam Mr. MsauZA ... repeating the same lines that have been defeated several times over? You need to read/check the several previous posts on this thread to enlighten your mind. Nigeria's war involvements go way back and have been documented and presented in details even here on this thread. Unlike South Africa that points to wars they participated in without clear victories or objectives, Nigeria has spearheaded, participated in and have won wars in the past 10 - 15 years that had clear objectives and have brought needed peace and stability to many troubled countries on the continent.

Until you point to successful South African military engagements anywhere on earth in recent time ... CAR fiasco will continue to be South Africa's "best" outing yet? A defeat of Nigeria by SA amounts to asking too much of SANDF. SELEKA proved that.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:54am On Jun 19, 2013
Msauza:
Dude, I have read on the newspaper that Bozize's government offered South African contingent military vehicles to use throughout the mission. By the way what do you call that kind of vehicle since I have never seen that in South Africa?

admit you told a deliberate lie as you always do. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4832.html
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:57am On Jun 19, 2013
saengine:

So let me just understand what you are saying. You are saying that the SELEKA commanders in that article that YOU took the picture from are lying? You're saying that those two commanders who have been mentioned by name don't exist, or they are making up the story about us fighting well. But at the same time you are willing to use the picture from the article that you claim is a lie to make your point. So everything about the article is a lie, except the part of it that you wanted to use....i.e the picture? Hahahahahaha.....what an embarrassment!! Show us a weblink of a similar picture from another source, otherwise that picture is also fake. Hahaha...wow, what a nice laugh im having

you did not pass high school final exams ? that post i made did not quote any source for the Seleka Gecko vehicle photo, how can you 'manufacture' a source for me and attach my name to it ? what kind of education do you have ? an over-rated south african school ? grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:00am On Jun 19, 2013
NaijaPikinGidi:

Mngani wam Mr. MsauZA ... repeating the same lines that have been defeated several times over? You need to read/check the several previous posts on this thread to enlighten your mind. Nigeria's war involvements go way back and have been documented and presented in details even here on this thread. Unlike South Africa that points to wars they participated in without clear victories or objectives, Nigeria has spearheaded, participated in and have won wars in the past 10 - 15 years that had clear objectives and have brought needed peace and stability to many troubled countries on the continent.

Until you point to successful South African military engagements anywhere on earth in recent time ... CAR fiasco will continue to be South Africa's "best" outing yet? A defeat of Nigeria by SA amounts to asking too much of SANDF. SELEKA proved that.

FACT!!! Nigeria has never fought any country.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:03am On Jun 19, 2013
agaugust:

admit you told a deliberate lie as you always do. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4832.html

Dude, Paratroopers are not Recces. People only confuse them with the colour of beret the wear.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:03am On Jun 19, 2013
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Msauza: FACT!!! Nigeria has never fought any country.

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every country is afraid to fight Nigeria. FACT !!! [/size]

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