NaijaPikinGidi:

Abeg try point me to that report. Would be interesting to know what it's all about. Hope it's not the usual media rumors?

it's a rumor from an old news. the frigate was patrolling the gulf of guinea close to Nigerian water. trust our media na

blackchris:

it's a rumor from an old news. the frigate was patrolling the gulf of guinea close to Nigerian water. trust our media na

Thought as much. Wetin dem wan come do for our backyard wey dem think say our radar system no go find? Anyway as long as them take permission, nothing to worry about.

agaugust:

no nigerian F-7 jet has crashed since the 3 that happened 2009 to 2011. the F-7 jets have done combat action in mali and borno state and no crashes.

south african jets are not crashing because you dont fly too often, and also your pilots have has supersonic flights since 1987. nigerian pilots switched from subsonic flights of alpha jets to supersonic F-7 jets and the initial change was cause of crashes with new aircraft.

it has stopped anyway several years ago.

south africa too has crashed about 4 Augusta helicopters, 2 Rooivalk helicopters, 1 CASA transport, 2 Dakota MPA, 1 Cessna transport, 1 C-130 Hercules transport. both countries do have air crashes. period

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No,Rooivalk was ever crashed. South Africa flew the Griffins from Air force base Makado to Zambia,something the Nigerians have never done with their F7s.

CraigB:
I also told you that you can look at history as precedent.
Individual countries can also put nations under embargoes. Falklands war, idîot. Simple example of a precedent! Was there not an arms embargo against Argentina? Just yesterday, in 1982. Was there not?

You know what they say about arguing with a föol.

believe me i know and it's exhausting.

aren't treaties and conventions signed under UN guidelines? if a country were to sanction the other, under what guidelines will they do so if not the UN. you see why i hate you?

you still foolishly gave an example of Argentina being sanctioned during the falklands war, but your poor knowledge of history was further exposed for not finding out what cause the war, after i gave the main categories or reasons a country should be sanction under such treaties you yapped about without even knowing the meaning. f00lish 1diot.

blackchris:
there are three categories of sanctions.

the first category is when a country invades another without being provoked. which thereby violates international law of recognizing another countries' sovereignty.examples are when iraq invaded kuwait

The second category of design is those sanctions with the purpose to contain a threat to peace within a geographical boundary. The 2010 Iran nuclear proliferation debate is a contemporary example. The current United Nations Security Council passed on June 9, Resolution 1929 providing restrictions on missile and weaponry materials that could be used for the creation of destructive weapons. This principle of restriction is to contain the possibility of Iranian aggression with in the neighboring region

The third category involves the United Nations Security Councils condemnation of actions of a specific action or policy of a member/non-member nation like the apartheid regime Libya and military coups.

The three categories are a blanket explanation on the reasons sanctions are applied to nations.

Argentina invaded the Falklands island nation with south Georgia, thereby violating the sovereignty of the island nation committing an offense in line with the first category, this made it right for Britain and US to sanction them.

your 1dioticy made you blind to connect it to my post and yet you f00lishly posted it as an example with pride. you are truly stup1d.

I'm daring you to post other countries that were sanctioned and hit with arms embargo that committed offenses that doesn't fall into any of these categories i posted.

it is even south africa that will be sanctioned for violating our sovereignty if your ships move close to us. while Nigeria will have the right to defend itself and import more arms. unless a neutral ground is used for such battle.

you see why i said i hate people like you with a passion?

don't respond to my post if you don't have anything reasonable to say cos last time i checked you intruded in a conversation i was having with someone else.

Mike..ZA:
No,Rooivalk was ever crashed. South Africa flew the Griffins from Air force base Makado to Zambia,something the Nigerians have never done with their F7s.

sorry, old trick. we've flown alpha jets to sierra leon, Liberia, Mali, Niger. guy NAF has done with the alpha jets(though not 4th generation) what your airforce can only dream of doing with your grippens. fact

agaugust:

for the 7th time in 70 days i repeat on this forum that in gulf war iraqi Roland SAM shot down 2 British Royal Air Force Tornado Jet Fighters that have maximum speed 2,400km/hr. Alpha Jet speed is only 1,000km/hr, so how is Roland SAM built to shoot down only Alpha Jet types when it shot down very powerful and sophisticated Tornado Jets ?

are you keeping records ? be counting how many times i put the backs of all you south africans in the mud and made your soldiers on nairaland to drink gutter water

will likely exit forum this month because i am tired of you south africans senseless posts and making me to repeat an argument 7 times in 70 days because of your r.etarded soweto b.rains

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A zsu 57-2 shot a tornado and they have been obsoliet since the 1960s i mean sa shot down a few fast movers with 20mm on the back of trucks. your point is invalaid. did you even check the circmstance in our those 2 tornados were shot down? aka flying low.

agaugust:

your Umkhonto missile can keep on radar locking and unlocking as many Alpha jets as it wants, fact is that it will waste all its efforts because the Alpha jets will fly at 13km above sea level outside the range of the Valours Umkhonto missiles, or some flying demonic spirits in the air will use their bat wings to help south african missiles fly more than their technical range from DENEL

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And at that rang or altuid will be of zero threat I mean zero.

Mike..ZA:
No,Rooivalk was ever crashed. South Africa flew the Griffins from Air force base Makado to Zambia,something the Nigerians have never done with their F7s.

Actually, we had one incident where Rooivalk nearly crashed. It was a minor accident that cannot amount to an actual crash caused by the pilot who was flying very low and accidentally collided with electric cables. The Rooivalk dropped to the ground and suffer minor damages with no one injured.

Msauza:

Actually, we had one incident where Rooivalk nearly crashed. It was a minor accident that cannot amount to an actual crash caused by the pilot who was flying very low and accidentally collided with electric cables. The Rooivalk dropped to the ground and suffer minor damages with no one injured.

The dutch did the same thing, caused a black out.

blackchris:

sorry, old trick. we've flown alpha jets to sierra leon, Liberia, Mali, Niger. guy NAF has done with the alpha jets(though not 4th generation) what your airforce can only dream of doing with your grippens. fact

Dreaming, when he is the one who first came with that assertion. By the way griffins can fly everywhere in the world, Europe, America, Asia and Australisia.

Msauza:

Dreaming, when he is the one who first came with that assertion. By the way griffins can fly everywhere in the world, Europe, America, Asia and Australisia.

i was referring to combat missions, not tourism travel which is where your post was directed at. Or am i wrong?

na_chris_be_dis:

i was referring to combat missions, not tourism travel which is where your post was directed at. Or am i wrong?

NATO is mostly using Griffins, hence I guess you have seen much of their actions there.

Msauza:

Actually, we had one incident where Rooivalk nearly crashed. It was a minor accident that cannot amount to an actual crash caused by the pilot who was flying very low and accidentally collided with electric cables. The Rooivalk dropped to the ground and suffer minor damages with no one injured.

Just like the Apache,the Rooivalk operates exclusively on Nap-of-the-earth heights.

agaugust:

it is still too short range. fact.

Fact is: Denel can upgrade it to a range of 25km,with an "area defence" capability.

Mike..ZA:
Fact is: Denel can upgrade it to a range of 25km,with an "area defence" capability.

DENEL does not have any range 25km as at today.

want to talk about future ? okay nigeria too next year can put 300km range C-803 anti-ship missiles on our two new Type 056 warships and sink all south african navy from 250km distance away and mandela's country has no navy anymore !

then we invade south africa by sea landing our giant size nigerian army and goodluck jonathan will re-colonize your soweto nation like the Boer !

agaugust:

for the 7th time in 70 days i repeat on this forum that in gulf war iraqi Roland SAM shot down 2 British Royal Air Force Tornado Jet Fighters that have maximum speed 2,400km/hr. Alpha Jet speed is only 1,000km/hr, so how is Roland SAM built to shoot down only Alpha Jet types when it shot down very powerful and sophisticated Tornado Jets ?

are you keeping records ? be counting how many times i put the backs of all you south africans in the mud and made your soldiers on nairaland to drink gutter water

will likely exit forum this month because i am tired of you south africans senseless posts and making me to repeat an argument 7 times in 70 days because of your r.etarded soweto b.rains

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All of the first release of forth generation fighters were not properly equipped with RWR (radar warning receiver) and however 4.5th generation had to be introduced with integrated, advanced RWR as part of their avionics to alert pilots timeously about any possible threats. The forth generation fighters have now officially phased out and no further production is being considered unless poor countries such as Nigeria place a special order as we have seen with their outdated F7s. However, the RWR system remain an important element in the avionics of every fighter jets as many only utilise it as an accessories or an add-ons. All Roland SAMs are using radar system to lock on any target which can be easily picked up by sophisticated 4.5th generation fighters and stay clear out of its range whereby alternative measures can be taken, such as the use of long range AGMs missiles and guided munitions (umbani) can be used as an option.

Msauza:

Actually, we had one incident where Rooivalk nearly crashed. It was a minor accident that cannot amount to an actual crash caused by the pilot who was flying very low and accidentally collided with electric cables. The Rooivalk dropped to the ground and suffer minor damages with no one injured.

Rooivalk pilot flew into electricity cables in broad day light blind as a bat...nigerian pilots and south african pilots have both been crashing. none is better that the other. crash is crash. fact !

Msauza:

All Roland SAMs are using radar system to lock on any target which can be easily picked up by sophisticated 4.5th generation fighters and stay clear out of its range whereby alternative measures can be taken, such as the use of long range AGMs missiles and guided munitions (umbani) can be used as an option.

south africa has no air to ground missiles, thats why i used Roland SAM to shoot down all your Gripen jets 3 months ago on this forum.

agaugust:

DENEL does not have any range 25km as at today.

want to talk about future ? okay nigeria too next year can put 300km range C-803 anti-ship missiles on our two new Type 056 warships and sink all south african navy from 250km distance away and mandela's country has no navy anymore !

then we invade south africa by sea landing our giant size nigerian army and goodluck jonathan re-colonize your soweto nation like the Boer !

There is no need to upgrade, out of that range your Alpha jets will be rendered useless. Your Alpha jets do not have the capability to attack any of our Mekos from that long range.

andrewza:

And at that rang or altuid will be of zero threat I mean zero.

who will believe you ? we all know law of gravity brings down all air dropped bombs from even 20km altitude to d.estroy ground targets. who will believe you ? you think we are like your 3 year old son ?

i am going to sink all south african valour warships in that naval blockade before i leave this forum...unless your ships run away from nigerian waters

join your little son in sucking your thumbs !

agaugust:

south africa has no air to ground missiles, thats why i used Roland SAM to shoot down all your Gripen jets 3 months ago on this forum.

South Africa has Umbani which can fire upto 25 KM range. There is no much of a difference between Umbani and missiles as it behaves like missiles. The Umbani is a guided bomb which can be locked on to the target just like a missile.

saengine: When arguing with that guy you must learn to ask the right questions, otherwise he'll keep on going round and round. Rather ask him to post a list of the rockets and bombs Alpha jets carry and their ranges. This is what i asked him yesterday but he didnt answer. Instead he just decided to reply with 13km above sea level. Where he got that 13km above sea level from no one knows, but he keeps using it in his subsequent arguments as if it's been presented as fact.

If Alpha jets are firing at 13km above sea level while also being outside the 15km arc, it means that Nigerian unguided rockets have a further range than missiles like A Darter and Umkhonto. As an exercise ask him to post the ranges of Nigerian rockets used. Keep asking him the same question and see how many excuses you get.

reason why only one nigerian civilian has defeated ten south african soldiers and civilians in every combat simulation on this forum. imagine what one nigerian military man will do to all of you ?

please join all your 33% south african brains together and solve my war riddle....

50 nigerian jets with bombs and rockets fly at 13km above sea level to attack one south african valour frigate and the niegrian jets CANNOT be harmed by any south african umkhonto missile with range 15km. riddle for those who have combat knowledge. slove it, mandela boys, solve it.

photo of L-39 Jet similar to nigeria's flying very high above sea level and seeing all that's on the open sea below

Msauza:

South Africa has Umbani which can fire upto 25 KM range. There is no much of a difference between Umbani and missiles as it behaves like missiles. The Umbani is a guided bomb which can be locked on to the target just like a missile.

were you in hospital when i shot down all south african Umbani Guided Bombs 3 months ago in war simulation ? Umbani is NOT a missile, it is a 35km/h horse animal speed bomb, damn too slow for Roland SAM or TYPE 90 AAA of nigerian air defenses.

see why i want to exit this forum soon ? i am tired of repeating the same thing 7 times in 70 days to 7 different south africans.

Mike..ZA:
30 second apart. Won't be a "simultaneous attack" like he says.

if 8 Otomat missiles from NNS ARADU flying 30 seconds apart h.it a south african valour warship, your navy will have no corpses available for burial. you dont know how simultaneous or near simultaneous 30 seconds interval explosion will be. fool

let me throw 8 heavy stones at close range directly on your head at 30 seconds interval and tell me if you feel any headache since my a.ttack is not as simultaneous as you wish

saengine:

If Alpha jets are firing at 13km above sea level while also being outside the 15km arc, it means that Nigerian unguided rockets have a further range than missiles like A Darter and Umkhonto. As an exercise ask him to post the ranges of Nigerian rockets used. Keep asking him the same question and see how many excuses you get.

read quoted post below, see your fellow south african has finally agreed with me, i kept telling you that valour frigate cannot use umkhonto missile to defend against Otomat missile, i told you it uses only one single CIWS 35mm DENEL gun, that is a very big weakness against 8 Otomat missiles fired simultaneously as i prove below with new quotes.

i know sea warfare more than you do, and you keep arguing foolishly with me.

Mike..ZA:


The Denel 35mm Dual Purpose Gun(35DPG) is a close-in weapon system (CIWS) for
warships made in South Africa by Denel Land
Systems. It is currently in service on the Valour
class frigates of the South African Navy.

Its primary role is to defend against attack by
helicopters, fixed-wing aircraft and missiles. It
has a secondary role against surface vessels
and shore targets, both in symmetrical and
asymmetrical warfare.

then you will tell me that you know sea warfare more than i do ? you are a real comedian

i am giving you another quote about Otomat missile and that is the standard. whatever number of Otomat you have on board any warship, 2, 4, or 8 missiles, they are standard configured to be fired against one single target in one single attack :

Quote 1

No particular maneuvres are required by the ship: the missiles are capable of changing course after the launch up to 200° so all the Otomat missiles in the ship could be used against the same target in one attack.

Quote 2

The ERATO (Extended Range Air Targeting for Otomat) system, used by the Al-Madinah class frigates built in 1980.

In this case updated target information is provided to the ship which controls up to 16 missiles. This allows a multi-ship launch (Madinah Frigate have eight missiles each) and single ship control of an Otomat salvo for coordinated attack.

Quote 3

It is possible to send up to six corrections for each missile, and attack up to six different targets at once.

Source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat#Developments


saudi arabian AL MADINAH frigate is a 1980 warship as nigerian NNS ARADU, both carry 8 Otomat missiles, both can fire all their 8 Otomat missiles in one coordianted/simultaneous attack against one single target or 6 Otomat missiles in a single coordinated/simultaneous attack against 6 different targets

i am going to use NNS ARADU's Otomat anti-ship missile with its superior long range and 50 nigerian Alpha, L-39, MBB 339, and F-7 jets to sink all the four south african navy valour frigates in that naval blockade before i quit this forum.

so jacob zuma has no navy anymore, then nigeria will invade and re-colonize south africa like your Boer masters !


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Msauza:

NATO is mostly using Griffins, hence I guess you have seen much of their actions there.

so it's NATO pilots that will fly your grippens when you need to? Your pilots have not been tested with those jets.

agaugust:

were you in hospital when i shot down all south african Umbani Guided Bombs 3 months ago in war simulation ? Umbani is NOT a missile, it is a 35km/h horse animal speed bomb, damn too slow for Roland SAM or TYPE 90 AAA of nigerian air defenses.

see why i want to exit this forum soon ? i am tired of repeating the same thing 7 times in 70 days to 7 different south africans.

Wrong! Umbani is very fast and have personally saw it in Lohatlha, there is no much of a difference because umbani is a bomb on a body of missile capsule. The difference between a missile and bomb is that a missile penetrates while a bomb explodes. A bomb cannot be used as an Anti-tank since it does not have the power to penetrate, but can cause a lot of frustrations.

Dafaur, Sudan

agaugust:

who will believe you ? we all know law of gravity brings down all air dropped bombs from even 20km altitude to d.estroy ground targets. who will believe you ? you think we are like your 3 year old son ?

i am going to sink all south african valour warships in that naval blockade before i leave this forum...unless your ships run away from nigerian waters

join your little son in sucking your thumbs !

Once again you show you incopotiance. You are fool that knows nothing. The ocean is not the ground. You the biggest fool and liar I have ever ment that baby you posted knows more than you.

Msauza:

Wrong! Umbani is very fast and have personally saw it in Lohatlha, there is no much of a difference because umbani is a bomb on a body of missile capsule. The difference between a missile and bomb is that a missile penetrates while a bomb explodes. A bomb cannot be used as an Anti-tank since it does not have the power to penetrate, but can cause a lot of frustrations.

Depends on the tank and size and type of bomb. There are even speciol cluster bombs made to destroy AFV.

Msauza:

Dreaming, when he is the one who first came with that assertion. By the way griffins can fly everywhere in the world, Europe, America, Asia and Australisia.

Even my son's paper kite can fly every where in the world! SMH like no man's business!

andrewza:

Once again you show you incopotiance. You are fool that knows nothing. The ocean is not the ground. You the biggest fool and liar I have ever met.

okay, the Atlantic Ocean is not on the ground, it is hanging up in the sky, right ?