agaugust:





....while the south african army does the R.aping and M.urder of innocent girls and women/wives of other people in Congo DRC

"The SANDF is supposed to be a "disciplined military force". However, there have been 93 cases of misconduct brought against members of the SANDF serving in the DRC. Of the 93 cases, most shockingly, at least 23 involve R.ape, s.exual exploitation, s.exual abuse and assault of women. These include, for example:

- Alleged s.exual molestation;

- R.ape and murder of a Burundian girl;

- S.exual abuse and exploitation; and

- S.exual abuse and misconduct."


http://allafrica.com/stories/201306130303.html


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it should be taken in contects

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-06-14-peacekeepers-behaving-badly-why-south-african-ill-discipline-in-drc-is-a-un-problem/


South African National Defence Force (SANDF) peacekeepers in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) have had 93 cases of misconduct brought against them. Defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula has lamented the ill-discipline of the South African troops serving in the Congo, but there is more to this than just the criminality of South African troops; it points to fault lines in the UN peacekeeping apparatus in the DRC. By KHADIJA PATEL.

This week, Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula revealed to Parliament that 93 members of the South African National Defence Force serving in the United Nations peacekeeping force, Monusco, in the Democratic Republic of Congo, have had cases of misconduct brought against them. According to the minister, investigations were conducted against each of the 93 and, where applicable, troops met the “harshest possible sanction”.

Of those 93 cases of misconduct, the Democratic Alliance says at least 23 involve rape, sexual exploitation, sexual abuse and the assault of women.

In a statement released to the media, the Department of Defence and Military Veterans indicated that just four cases so far had been finalised and a conviction secured.

“All four have been dismissed from the SANDF,” said the statement.

“Minister Mapisa-Nqakula has expressed her personal intolerance to ill-discipline in the ranks of the military, particularly as it relates to reported incidences of the abuse of women and children,” the statement said. “She has made it clear that conduct unbecoming will be dealt with in the strictest compliance with the law and that there is simply no room for criminality and ill-discipline in a highly professional force like the SANDF.”

The Democratic Alliance’s David Maynier, Shadow Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, slammed the report from Mapisa-Nqakula.

“It is completely unacceptable for the members of the SANDF, who are supposed to be a disciplined military force, to begin to mirror the behaviour of the national defence force and rebel groups in the DRC,” he said in a statement.

Military analyst Helmoed Heitman, however, believes that the statistics must be placed in context.

“Before we get too steamed up, we need to know what period this covers. Over the past decade we have had an average of 1,300 troops in the DRC, rotating on a six-month basis,” he said. “That adds up to 26,000 people, of whom 93 may or may not have committed a serious offence.”

Pikkie Greef, the Secretary General of the South African National Defence Union, also urged the DA to interpret the statistics with a more informed insight into the deployment of the SANDF to Monusco.

He says that in total, only 15 soldiers of the 93 mentioned in the report to Parliament were actually convicted of any misconduct.

Like Heitman, he believes the length of time in which these abuses took place must be taken into account.

“This in effect means that only 0.06% of all SA soldiers deployed were convicted of misconduct,” Greef says. “On average, less than two soldiers per year on deployment.”

He believes these statistics are actually favourable to the SANDF. “This is in fact an excellent military discipline record, by the standards of any military force including those of super powers like the United States,” he says.

Heitman, however, admits that the SANDF is faced with a “discipline problem”.

It is the incidence of sex crimes committed by members of the SANDF in the DRC that is particularly troubling.

The scourge of sexual violence and the use of rape as a ploy in war is well known to be part to conflict in the Congo. It has long been seen as a function and tool of conflict in the DRC: in 2011, a study on rape in the Congo published in the American Journal of Public Health found that 48 women were raped every hour in the country.

It is noteworthy that Minister Mapisa-Nqakula has indicated that no member of the South African contingent within the UNAMID in Sudan was being investigated or charged for misconduct.

As horrific as these abuses perpetrated by South African troops are, they are not the first occurrences of sexual violence in the UN ranks in the DRC in recent years.

Gerald Caplan, writing for Canada’s Globe and Mail last year, noted that there was “a long and squalid history” of women being abused by UN forces in the DRC.

He relates the 2005 sexual exploitation and abuse of Congolese females by a small but significant minority of UN troops that led former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to describe the situation as “an ugly stain” on the United Nations.

“Even though many victims were unable or unwilling to identify their assailants, 63 soldiers were expelled from the mission and repatriated, while a zero tolerance policy was instituted for all cases of abuse by UN soldiers of local citizens,” Caplan notes.

It was, however, not effective.

By 2008, further allegations of sexual abuse perpetrated by UN troops surfaced.

“Human rights observers found that a child prostitution ring had been formed and some 100 UN troops from India were accused of paying for sex with young Congolese girls,” Caplan says. In this case, the Indian army blamed the UN for unjustly bringing charges against its recruits.

More recently, Professor Victoria Fontan, the Director for Academic Development and Head of Department of Peace and Conflict Studies at the University for Peace, Costa Rica, has written about Monusco peacekeepers who she says have continued the tradition of their predecessors by committing violent and abusive acts against Congolese women – often against underaged prostitutes – and getting away with it too.

“In a way, it is much easier to ‘address’ the sexual abuses committed by ‘savage’ Congolese, than to acknowledge the sexual violence brought in with peacekeeping contingents,” Fontan writes.

The DA’s Maynier says, “The Parliamentary question specifically probed whether the United Nations (UN) had been informed about the outcome of each investigation conducted by the SANDF. However, this part of the question was not replied to by the Minister and suggests the SANDF may not have fully cooperated with the UN in investigating some cases of misconduct in the DRC.”

The Daily Maverick’s own efforts to reach Monsuco were unsuccessful on Thursday, but it is this latter part of Maynier’s statement that is most significant. What must now be established is how not just the SANDF but Monsuco, and by extension the UN, deals with sex crimes committed by its peacekeepers.

Certainly the continuance of these acts significantly tarnishes the reputation of the UN as the new intervention brigade prepares to do battle against rebel groups in the eastern DRC. Many Congolese have already come to resent the UN, who, they say, are meant to bring peace to their land – but instead abuse the local population

zaandrew:


my God you are a fool, the UN has asked for rooivalks along tome ago, if they did not think they were better they would have just asked for hinds, and we were only just asked for our ARTY but you jump to these conclusions, yes this is wshy i call you a fool with zero credbliety. please leave this forum and stop embarsing every african with your perthticness

AndrewZA, it's not enough to blurt out your own opinions here, when exactly did the UN ask for South African equipment? Give us a time and source to sustain your claim. Otherwise why is it taking SA so long to deploy their overglorified Rooivalks? The last time I checked the thread was it not MsauZA who claimed he saw the helicopters flying overhead to your Limpopo for forward deployment in no time to DRC? You guys are just wasting time trying to project power that you do not have! Period!!

NaijaPikinGidi:

AndrewZA, it's not enough to blurt out your own opinions here, when exactly did the UN ask for South African equipment? Give us a time and source to sustain your claim. Otherwise why is it taking SA so long to deploy their overglorified Rooivalks? The last time I checked the thread was it not MsauZA who claimed he saw the helicopters flying overhead to your Limpopo for forward deployment in no time to DRC? You guys are just wasting time trying to project power that you do not have! Period!!

the videos have been posted and the sources given. Limpopo is not a stage area it is for predeployment training if you don't like the truth don't wake up in the morning

agaugust:





....while the south african army does the R.aping and M.urder of innocent girls and women/wives of other people in Congo DRC

"The SANDF is supposed to be a "disciplined military force". However, there have been 93 cases of misconduct brought against members of the SANDF serving in the DRC. Of the 93 cases, most shockingly, at least 23 involve R.ape, s.exual exploitation, s.exual abuse and assault of women. These include, for example:

- Alleged s.exual molestation;

- R.ape and murder of a Burundian girl;

- S.exual abuse and exploitation; and

- S.exual abuse and misconduct."


http://allafrica.com/stories/201306130303.html


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I don't know how is this going to help you because all soldiers misbehave in deployments including those that you trust a lot "Indians". Having been there myself I know that prostitution is the order of the day and just how those little girls willingly sell their bodies to UN soldiers. In the DRC it is even known among security police that everyday afternoon till midnight those girls flock around UN bases to sell their bodies and what saddens the most is that they have nothing to do because those girls are even their source of income through bribery.

http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-forces-play-key-role-in-DRC-20130901

Pretoria - South African soldiers have been at the forefront of attacks on rebels in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo and were instrumental, along with a UN force, in repelling the M23 rebels as they rained rockets on the town of Goma.

The Sunday Times reported that a visit to the front line at Kibumba on Saturday, made it possible to piece together the events of last week. South African National Defence Force commander Colonel Patrick Dube also confirmed that his troops played a leading role in repelling the rebels.

Congolese troops said support from South African troops had been invaluable. “We fought with the South Africans yesterday and today,” said one soldier near the frontline on Thursday.

Local commanders said the number of South African soldiers wounded had risen to five, but SANDF spokesperson Brigadier General Xolani Mabanga said yesterday the official figure remained at three.

After a lull of almost a month, fresh fighting broke out recently when the rebels attacked Congolese army positions outside Goma. The battle erupted in earnest on Wednesday when the rebels launched another bid to take Goma. Throughout Wednesday, Russian Hind attack helicopters, supported by South African Oryx helicopters, flew sorties over the enemy positions.

The air attacks were supported by Tanzanian artillery and South African mortar and reconnaissance teams. South African snipers reportedly killed six rebel commanders. Later in the day, a S[b]outh African C130 Hercules transport aircraft landed at Goma, bringing in more ammunition[/b].

The region is reportedly on a knife-edge, which is threatening to escalate into an all-out war.

zaandrew:

where in the (south african source) do you get the info for your statments?

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31736:sandf-mum-about-drc-sniper-super-shot&catid=55:SANDF&Itemid=108

“South Africa was not specifically requested to supply snipers as part of its troop contribution but the 850-strong battalion moved to the DRC to be part of the FIB does have certain capabilities,” Lieutenant General Derrick Mgwebi told a briefing in Thaba Tshwane this morning when asked about the sniper’s kill.

“That is a question you would have to ask the UN,” was all he would say. At the time of publication the UN Peacekeeping Operations website did not carry any information about the sniper shot.

It is a waste of time highlighting those comments by your Mgwebi spokesman. Every military even the least powerful come with certain capabilities. Even the Police come with eagle-eye snipers. As such it's a bloody waste of time hanging on to silly propaganda that your military cannot verify even as I write this comment! SANDF went to the DRC with a premeditation to score high military marks. Sadly the realities on ground are too much for them to handle. Hence, the Tanzanian army ... with very good knowledge of the bush and jungle terrain are leading the frontlines every step of the way. This frustration must be responsible for the sniper propaganda by SANDF who remain relegated to the back rows of ignominy in the DRC operations.

Piekkie Greeff pushing on SANDF to deploy Rooivalk without any fuss.

http://www.enca.com/south-africa/give-un-rooivalk-helicopters-greeff

NaijaPikinGidi:

It is a waste of time highlighting those comments by your Mgwebi spokesman. Every military even the least powerful come with certain capabilities. Even cthe Police come with eagle-eye snipers. As such it's a bloody waste of time hanging on to silly propaganda that your military cannot verify even as I write this comment! SANDF went to the DRC with a premeditation to score high military marks. Sadly the realities on ground are too much for them to handle. Hence, the Tanzanian army ... with very good knowledge of the bush and jungle terrain are leading the frontlines every step of the way. This frustration must be responsible for the sniper propaganda by SANDF who remain relegated to the back rows of ignominy in the DRC operations.

i merely posted additional info he said at the same press briefing, our military is not the source of the info that was the first press briefing the SANDF had. And i have posted load of info on SA solders fighting on the front line, and that tanzanian general probably did a few courses in SA by the way

Msauza:

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31735/

SANDF indicated that Rooivalk will be made available for FIB if the need arise. The decision was with the UN for approval. I guess there will no longer be the need for their deployment because the rebels have retreated back from position.

M23 is one of 40 rebel groups so they still may go

zaandrew:

the videos have been posted and the sources given. Limpopo is not a stage area it is for predeployment training if you don't like the truth don't wake up in the morning

What videos? Please post them to sustain your comment. Now it's either your AndrewZa or MsauZA is lying and deliberately misleading your readers here! So speak nicely amongst yourselves to resolve these endless lies and stories about your Rooivalks in transit! MsauZA most certainly is the lier-in-chief in this matter!

so you can see the size of NNS thunder

Msauza:

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31735/

SANDF indicated that Rooivalk will be made available for FIB if the need arise. The decision was with the UN for approval. I guess there will no longer be the need for their deployment because the rebels have retreated back from position.

Please stop fooling around! We are not playing silly South African University Games here! LWKMD.

NaijaPikinGidi:

Please stop fooling around! We are not playing silly South African University Games here! LWKMD.

you asked for a source yo get one yet you still moan like baby?

zaandrew:

i merely posted additional info he said at the same press briefing, our military is not the source of the info that was the first press briefing the SANDF had. And i have posted load of info on SA solders fighting on the front line, and that tanzanian general probably did a few courses in SA by the way

The additional info makes no difference since it does not in any way confirm or support the sniper claims by your SANDF earlier on! Tanzanians remain the main forces fighting on the frontlines! What do you aim to achieve by your last statement about the Tanzanian General? Please keep to the main arguments here! The Tanzanian is showing why he is a real general. He knows war strategy and his troops are disciplined enough to take and obey orders!

zaandrew: you asked for a source yo get one yet you still moan like baby?

I said provide a source!! Where is the source? Provide it and stop dilly-dallying like a naval chef lost in his own pot of soup!

NaijaPikinGidi:

I said provide a source!! Where is the source? Provide it and stop dilly-dallying like a naval chef lost in his own pot of soup!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jds5Rd-6jSI

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31735

http://allafrica.com/stories/201308310187.html

NaijaPikinGidi:

The additional info makes no difference since it does not in any way confirm or support the sniper claims by your SANDF earlier on! Tanzanians remain the main forces fighting on the frontlines! What do you aim to achieve by your last statement about the Tanzanian General? Please keep to the main arguments here! The Tanzanian is showing why he is a real general. He knows war strategy and his troops are disciplined enough to take and obey orders!

i just posted a sources where i highlighted the guy who said it name you may phone Colonel Patrick Dube if you want

zaandrew: you asked for a source yo get one yet you still moan like baby?

The envy is killing them big time fact they ran away from a UN mission end of the story we are in the DRC making history whether they like it or not while their army is at home getting the beating of their lives and we are still waiting for the body of Shekau the BK leader their army claimed that they have killed that what I call propaganga

NaijaPikinGidi:

Please stop fooling around! We are not playing silly South African University Games here! LWKMD.

I guess your gunships will squeeze nicely in that small heliport deck. Bearing in mind that gunships use wheels to land instead of ordinary stands (pods). Agaugust has a thing or two to teach us indeed.

swanky@vodamail:
The envy is killing them big time fact they ran away from a UN mission end of the story we are in the DRC making history whether they like it or not while their army is at home getting the beating of their lives and we are still waiting for the body of Shekau the BK leader their army claimed that they have killed that what I call propaganga

Bwahahahahaha!! Yes, We want to see that body and instead the big primate Jonathan keeps on making the noise by making childish rants that they are winning the war against terror while people are being killed everyday in Nigeria. Today is Sunday, that is the feast party of BH where they strike the most. I wonder what will they be up to this Sunday.

OMG!! Boko Haram strikes yet again, despite heavy deployment of the army to the regions most affected by terrorist attacks. Instead these cowards called NA send mere civilians to fight BH on their behalf and only to find that they fall on the death trap set by the insurgents. It looks like Boko Haram has captured Army vehicles, weapons and their uniforms and use them to lure civilians to their death trap. Here I bet with you, The Nigerian military is defeated, period. It is just only a matter of time that they will officially announce to the world that they have finally lost the battle against terror and that the UN must takeover.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23918155

Msauza: OMG!! Boko Haram strikes yet again, despite heavy deployment of the army to the regions most affected by terrorist attacks. Instead these cowards called NA send mere civilians to fight BH on their behalf and only to find that they fall on the death trap set by the insurgents. It looks like Boko Haram has captured Army vehicles, weapons and their uniforms and use them to lure civilians to their death trap. Here I bet with you, The Nigerian military is defeated, period. It is just only a matter of time that they will officially announce to the world that they have finally lost the battle against terror and that the UN must takeover.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23918155

Their soldiers are so afraid to die they even enlist vigilante groups to fight BK they ran away in Mali and now they are running away at home BK has even impounded their vehicles and uniforms OMG its raining dogs and cats in naija

zaandrew: http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-forces-play-key-role-in-DRC-20130901

Pretoria - South African soldiers have been at the forefront of attacks on rebels in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo and were instrumental, along with a UN force, in repelling the M23 rebels as they rained rockets on the town of Goma.

The Sunday Times reported that a visit to the front line at Kibumba on Saturday, made it possible to piece together the events of last week. South African National Defence Force commander Colonel Patrick Dube also confirmed that his troops played a leading role in repelling the rebels.

Congolese troops said support from South African troops had been invaluable. “We fought with the South Africans yesterday and today,” said one soldier near the frontline on Thursday.

Local commanders said the number of South African soldiers wounded had risen to five, but SANDF spokesperson Brigadier General Xolani Mabanga said yesterday the official figure remained at three.

After a lull of almost a month, fresh fighting broke out recently when the rebels attacked Congolese army positions outside Goma. The battle erupted in earnest on Wednesday when the rebels launched another bid to take Goma. Throughout Wednesday, Russian Hind attack helicopters, supported by South African Oryx helicopters, flew sorties over the enemy positions.

The air attacks were supported by Tanzanian artillery and South African mortar and reconnaissance teams. South African snipers reportedly killed six rebel commanders. Later in the day, a S[b]outh African C130 Hercules transport aircraft landed at Goma, bringing in more ammunition[/b].

The region is reportedly on a knife-edge, which is threatening to escalate into an all-out war.

another south african war lies propaganda seleka style from a south african fraudulent source...the fake SANDF sniper k.ill in the story/source you quoted d.estroyed the credibility of the whole story and source...FAILED !!! FRAUD !!!


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zaandrew:

it should be taken in contects

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-06-14-peacekeepers-behaving-badly-why-south-african-ill-discipline-in-drc-is-a-un-problem/


South African National Defence Force (SANDF) peacekeepers in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) have had 93 cases of misconduct brought against them. Defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula has lamented the ill-discipline of the South African troops serving in the Congo, but there is more to this than just the criminality of South African troops; it points to fault lines in the UN peacekeeping apparatus in the DRC. By KHADIJA PATEL.

This week, Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula revealed to Parliament that 93 members of the South African National Defence Force serving in the United Nations peacekeeping force, Monusco, in the Democratic Republic of Congo, have had cases of misconduct brought against them. According to the minister, investigations were conducted against each of the 93 and, where applicable, troops met the “harshest possible sanction”.

Of those 93 cases of misconduct, the Democratic Alliance says at least 23 involve R.ape, S.exual exploitation, S.exual abuse and the A.ssault of women.

In a statement released to the media, the Department of Defence and Military Veterans indicated that four cases so far had been finalised and a conviction secured.

“All four have been dismissed from the SANDF,” said the statement.

The Democratic Alliance’s David Maynier, Shadow Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, slammed the report from Mapisa-Nqakula.

“It is completely unacceptable for the members of the SANDF, who are supposed to be a disciplined military force, to begin to mirror the behaviour of the national defence force and rebel groups in the DRC,” he said in a statement.


Military analyst Helmoed Heitman, however, admits that the SANDF is faced with a “discipline problem”.

It is the incidence of S.ex C.rimes committed by members of the SANDF in the DRC that is particularly troubling.

[size=16pt]south african army R.apes women in Congo DRC : pretoria's government agrees to crimes.[/size]


http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-06-14-peacekeepers-behaving-badly-why-south-african-ill-discipline-in-drc-is-a-un-problem/#.UiNJ0TbOlPI



...but i dey do am too....zuma

zaandrew:


so you can see the size of NNS thunder

ships flight deck size is NOT measured by photos and eye sight, it is measured by a meter rule.....fool !

NNS Thunder flight deck 24m. Mi-35 Hind full size 18m.....fool !

nice to hear you cooked lots of food for your nigerian masters at the naval base....senior chef.

CASE CLOSED

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The cowardly soldiers of Naai-geria. SMH. They want their fellow Naai-gerians to die for them. SMH.

"The military has encouraged the formation of vigilante groups to help tackle the Islamists."

The deserters cannot be relied upon by anyone. Now they envy those who stand side by side with their comrades.

Envy is in the DNA of Naai-gerians.

agaugust:

ships flight deck size is NOT measured by photos and eye sight, it is measured by a meter rule.....fool !

NNS Thunder flight deck 24m. Mi-35 Hind full size 18m.....fool !

CASE CLOSED

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It's a bloody rust-bucket. No one cares.

Convert the thing into a fishing boat and save us the sermon. You should be ashamed on yourself, making noise about you grandmother vessel. I would talk about other things, if I were you. Not a hand-me-down, dead piece of metal.

Msauza:

Have you now suddenly developed little confidence on SA media such that you even quote from it a lot lately. What strikes me the most is that the only way for those media reports to be accepted is when they report negatively about SA. It always turns out to be propaganda when anything positive come from it. Hence, you must decide whether you will stay away from SA media or remain.

Who's fooling who.

That's what I say!

Hardly surprising though. He's run out if options and become desperate.

He sits in Lagos and will have us believe he's a researcher in the US. Bollox, I say.

Even I've seen that he talks rubbish most of the time .

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[size=16pt]Rusty Tanzania's army AK-47 rifles now protect South African DENEL R-4 rifle armed soldiers in Congo DRC

suggestion: DENEL should now use Tanzanian soldiers to market its weapons overseas...winners make good marketing[/size]

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agaugust: .

[size=16pt]Rusty Tanzanian AK-47 rifles now protect South African DENEL R-4 rifle armed soldiers in Congo DRC

suggestion: DENEL should now use Tanzanian soldiers to market its weapons overseas...winners make good marketing[/size]

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The art of deflection, you aren't even smart enough to practice properly.

The fact remains, the apple of your eye - The Thunder is a rust bucket. She's a dead piece of metal. You should have left her in the Cape for her to be utilised by the community as a fishing boat.

You're the one that spoke about her and expected us to lap it up. You should be ashamed of yourself. Bringing Tanzanians rifles into the subject does not address the issue one bit. Instead all it does is harm you even more.