Thiza: THIS IS PROFESSIONALISM AT IT BEST

Thiza: @AUGUSTUS HAS RAN OUT OF IDEAS AND ARGUMENTS AND NOW HAS RESOLTED INTO BORROWING PHOTOS OF THE OUTMOST RAG TAG ARMIES...PLS RESPECT SOUTH AFRICANS AND BRING IN PROFESSIONAL AND COMPETENT ARMIES....OR IS IT NAIRA NOT WORTH THE SALT?

patches689: Guys, could we stop the dick measuring for one second.

I want to hear legit opinions from all members.... why did the Mangusta beat the Rooivalk for the Turkish trails?

yes, the rooivalk is slower

But the rooivalk has a longer operational range

and a bigger payload

and a higher service ceiling

but is less agile (rate of climb)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_helicopter#Performance

The rooivalk carries more ammo for the same caliber pintle-mounted weapon (20mm)

The rooivalk can carry more ATGM's (16 v

The rooivalk comes with the Mokopa which is superior to the AGM-114 "Hellfire" (longer range, better penetration with the same seeker - millimeter band radar)

And dont talk about the combat suite... as the Turkish deal would have financed the Rooivalk lite with the new combat suite and ground search radar

I can only speculate that political influence or obscure doctrinal needs* were the influence

*maybe the turks wanted more of a recon orientated attack helicopter, but then they would have chosen the Tiger as it is the best the west has to offer in terms of a long range recon orientated attack helo

I know augugbgugug will shitpost... but I wanna hear from the rest of the forum (not only south africans)

agaugust:

This forum is for all African military forces, not only Nigeria and South Africa. So I posted Eritrea.

Eritrea has the best infantry soldiers in Africa according to some military analysts. Eritrea has defeated mighty Ethiopia in many battles.

South Africa CANNOT defeat Ethiopia, so how will SANDF defeat the great Eritrean warriors.

Military don't win war according to shiny photos and nice uniforms, good clothes don't k.ill, bullets do the job.

Eritrea has experience of 4th generation jet fighter combat with BVR missiles, South African Gripen jets pilots have ZERO combat experience with their Gripen, or with a 4tH generation jet fighter, and NO SINGLE BVR missile on SAAF Gripen jets.

Eritrea has an army of 250,000 men and they will completely surround and delete SANDF 50,000 men tiny army.

Eritrea fought one of Africa's biggest wars with hundreds of thousands of troops, tanks, artillery, jet fighters, etc, recently up to year 2000 as one of the most modern and biggest conventional wars in the world. Soldiers that died alone are over 100,000 dead, not the children playground Seleka Vs SANDF battle where about 250 soldiers died.

Eritrean women alone will defeat the whole South African army http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70217

Eritrea will wipe out SAAF in 5 minutes with BVR missiles at distant range, their army will then circle around SANDF and choke your fine looking army in the centre until all your men are d.ead and all your big b.ottom women are captured alive and taken to Eritrean bedrooms for 'detailed examination' by wild Eritrean men in their capital city of Asmara.


PHOTOS : ERITREAN ARMY CAN DRESS UP IN FINE CLOTHES IF THE WITH TO, BUT THEY PREFER TO DRESS LIKE WILD WARRIORS.

patches689: Guys, could we stop the dick measuring for one second.

I want to hear legit opinions from all members.... why did the Mangusta beat the Rooivalk for the Turkish trails?

yes, the rooivalk is slower

But the rooivalk has a longer operational range

and a bigger payload

and a higher service ceiling

but is less agile (rate of climb)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_helicopter#Performance

The rooivalk carries more ammo for the same caliber pintle-mounted weapon (20mm)

The rooivalk can carry more ATGM's (16 v

The rooivalk comes with the Mokopa which is superior to the AGM-114 "Hellfire" (longer range, better penetration with the same seeker - millimeter band radar)

And dont talk about the combat suite... as the Turkish deal would have financed the Rooivalk lite with the new combat suite and ground search radar

I can only speculate that political influence or obscure doctrinal needs* were the influence

*maybe the turks wanted more of a recon orientated attack helicopter, but then they would have chosen the Tiger as it is the best the west has to offer in terms of a long range recon orientated attack helo

I know augugbgugug will shitpost... but I wanna hear from the rest of the forum (not only south africans)

agaugust:

This forum is for all African military forces, not only Nigeria and South Africa. So I posted Eritrea.

Eritrea has the best infantry soldiers in Africa according to some military analysts. Eritrea has defeated mighty Ethiopia in many battles.

South Africa CANNOT defeat Ethiopia, so how will SANDF defeat the great Eritrean warriors.

Military don't win war according to shiny photos and nice uniforms, good clothes don't k.ill, bullets do the job.

Eritrea has experience of 4th generation jet fighter combat with BVR missiles, South African Gripen jets pilots have ZERO combat experience with their Gripen, or with a 4tH generation jet fighter, and NO SINGLE BVR missile on SAAF Gripen jets.

Eritrea has an army of 250,000 men and they will completely surround and delete SANDF 50,000 men tiny army.

Eritrea fought one of Africa's biggest wars with hundreds of thousands of troops, tanks, artillery, jet fighters, etc, recently up to year 2000 as one of the most modern and biggest conventional wars in the world. Soldiers that died alone are over 100,000 dead, not the children playground Seleka Vs SANDF battle where about 250 soldiers died.

Eritrean women alone will defeat the whole South African army http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70217

Eritrea will wipe out SAAF in 5 minutes with BVR missiles at distant range, their army will then circle around SANDF and choke your fine looking army in the centre until all your men are d.ead and all your big b.ottom women are captured alive and taken to Eritrean bedrooms for 'detailed examination' by wild Eritrean men in their capital city of Asmara.


PHOTOS : ERITREAN ARMY CAN DRESS UP IN FINE CLOTHES IF THE WITH TO, BUT THEY PREFER TO DRESS LIKE WILD WARRIORS.

MikeZA: 1 one more: It was many factors that distributed to the Rooivalk not making sales. 1. Defence cuts after the Bush war. 2. Contracts. 3...............etc

agaugust:

[size=14pt]Rooivalk helicopter is an over-rated piece of obsolescent half-french metal junk called helicopter gunship. It barks more than it can bite. About 20 years since project started, no single export customer, every country that has a wise air force runs away from Rooivalk fat-turkey, the helo has no combat history execpt against a handful of rebles who have no radar and no anti-aircraft missile.

DENEL makes a lot of false claims about the Rooivalk, e.g. the Nap Of Earth low level flight capability system is a fraud and failure, the last time South African air force tried low level Rooivalk flight, it crashed into electricity wires in broad daylight, once an attack helicopter fails the low level combat test, it becomes useless.

Rooivalk helicopter remains useless to all air forces in the world, so they buy other helos. Only 11 units of Rooivalk exist since about 20 years of introduction. The body/airframe design already looks out-dated for a $ 40 million flying machine !

Roovalks remains a largely untested helicopter, maybe a bit rebel-worthy, but Mi-35 Hinds fought alongside the Rooivalk in all it's combat operations. So the Rooivalk has NEVER been tested in combat alone. The UN force in Congo was afraid of letting the Rooivalk fly to combat without help from the Mi-35 Hind which were flown by Ukraine and India in Congo DRC theatre.

Does anybody have money to waste? Go buy Rooivalk helicopter...it has no future, it is a dead end.

CASE CLOSED

PHOTO: ROOIVALK HELICOPTER OF SANDF, OUT-DATED BODY DESIGN, OVER-RATED PEFORMANCE[/size]

FighterPilot:

Nobody asked SA troops to resign. Fact!!

NaijaPikinGidi:

Very lame argument. Hollywood army is exactly what your SANDF is. Why hire photographers? Simply to embellish and make your gullible minds think that all is perfect in an Army that has fought no wars in recent history! The few images of the NA operations are REAL first-hand glimpses into the gallant work of our soldiers!

It is not about the choreographed quality of photos, it's about the SERIOUSNESS of the story in each image/photo.

NaijaPikinGidi:

Stupidity runs high in your bloodstream!

I am personally aware of the directive. Sadly enough, you have failed to read the official explanation by your SANDF top brass. Read the report slowly. The last few paragraphs are instructive.

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http://www.moneyweb.co.za/moneyweb-south-africa/sandf-faces-r11bn-remuneration-budget-shortfall

NaijaPikinGidi:

Very lame argument. Hollywood army is exactly what your SANDF is. Why hire photographers? Simply to embellish and make your gullible minds think that all is perfect in an Army that has fought no wars in recent history! The few images of the NA operations are REAL first-hand glimpses into the gallant work of our soldiers!

It is not about the choreographed quality of photos, it's about the SERIOUSNESS of the story in each image/photo.

Helghast:

SERIOUSNESS really now?? Is that the word you've chosen to describe that crap you've been showing us? Have you and I been looking looking at the same N.A photos?
No matter how serious you can look in a photo it depend on what you can bring to the table that counts.

you keeps saying that S.A soldiers have only done training, you remind me of one the many books I've read about the Vietnam war, and one guy wrote that "if you believe in yourself and have trust in your commanding officer and your team, any man can become a great soldier, believe in yourself and in your skill, and training will kick in when you need it the most". That's why most countries concentrate on training, your soldiers spend six month in training which is complete B.S and that's why they can't do s'hit right


This is a pic that makes you think and shows realism

agaugust: .
[size=16pt] South African Soldiers are poorly tained...United Nations complains.
SANDF trained by Brigadier-General who cheated to pass military exams
Fancy SANDF photos you see here are deceptions from a rag tag unprofessional army dressed in nice uniforms [/size]
UN lambasts discipline of South Africa’s poorly trained’ troops.
The officer in charge of training soldiers for deployment to the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) is an exam cheat.
And in another embarrassment for the SA National Defence Force (SANDF), a top UN official sharply criticised the discipline and combat readiness of South African soldiers in Sudan in a recent letter.

Brigadier-General Sithabiso Mahlobo, who was found guilty in 2002 of cheating in exams, is in charge of the training of soldiers who are in the process of being deployed to the war-torn North Kivu province of the DRC.
He is the commander of 46 SA Brigade in Kengray, Joburg.
Mahlobo confirmed to City Press’ sister newspaper, Rapport, that he is responsible for training soldiers who will join the neutral international force (NIF) to fight the notorious M23 rebels in the DRC.
The NIF is a joint operation of the UN and the Southern African Development Community.

Mahlobo was demoted from general to major in 2002 after he was found to have cheated in a military exam by copying from another candidate.
Despite this, he again progressed through the ranks and was promoted to brigadier-general in 2008.
He then took over 46 SA Brigade.
According to military expert Helmoed-Römer Heitman, no officer who has been found guilty of an offence like cheating in examinations should train other soldiers.
In an unrelated development, it has been revealed that a top SANDF commander refused to receive extra training for South African soldiers on duty in Sudan.
In a classified letter, Lieutenant-Colonel T Mashalaba, the commander of an infantry battalion of the SANDF, which was until recently deployed in the troubled Darfur region in Sudan, flatly refused to allow his soldiers to receive training from the UN and the African Union (AU) after one of his soldiers died in an ambush last year.
Mashalaba was in command of the 10 SA Infantry Battalion when Rifleman Vincent van der Walt (23) died in the ambush in October.
Two other South African soldiers were wounded in the attack.
They were stationed at the combined mission of the AU and UN (Unamid) in Darfur.
A UN official in Sudan reliably told City Press that Mashalaba was already on thin ice prior to this incident after ignoring an order to deploy his troops to a refugee camp.
A woman was apparently abducted on August 15 as a result.
Mashalaba allegedly also tried to halt the inquiry into the ambush in October.
“He involved himself personally in the inquiry and tried to halt it despite direct orders to cooperate,” the UN official said.
A letter from a senior Unamid official, in which the quality of South African soldiers’ training was sharply criticised, had been distributed among senior South African army officers just more than a month ago.
The letter, which was apparently also sent to top officials at the UN headquarters in New York, mentions the soldiers’ lack of discipline and their arrogance.
The Zuma link
In 2010 the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) controversially awarded two oil concessions in the east of the country to President Jacob Zuma’s nephew, Khulubuse (pictured left).
The rights were originally awarded to Irish oil company Tullow and South Africa’s Divine Inspiration Group in 2006, but “reassigned” to two Khulubuse Zuma companies, Caprikat and Foxwhelp, which are registered in the British Virgin Islands.
The oil blocks are in Lake Albert in the east of the DRC on the border with Uganda.
In January last year, British oil industry watchdog Platform London reported that Zuma’s companies had begun exploration activities.
In 2010 Mark Willcox, chief executive of Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale’s Mvelaphanda Holdings, confirmed to the Mail & Guardian that they were giving “strategic advice” to Khulubuse Zuma.
Mvela signed two mining deals in the eastern DRC in 2004 relating to the Kilomoto gold project and the Ruashi copper-and-cobalt project.
Reuters reported that Khulubuse Zuma signed the deal with the DRC government on behalf of Caprikat and that Michael Hulley, President Zuma’s lawyer and legal adviser, signed the Foxwhelp deal.
- Pieter-Louis Myburgh
http://www.citypress.co.za/news/exam-cheat-is-training-army/
.

agaugust:

[size=14pt]Rooivalk helicopter is an over-rated piece of obsolescent half-french metal junk called helicopter gunship. It barks more than it can bite. About 20 years since project started, no single export customer, every country that has a wise air force runs away from Rooivalk fat-turkey, the helo has no combat history execpt against a handful of rebles who have no radar and no anti-aircraft missile.

DENEL makes a lot of false claims about the Rooivalk, e.g. the Nap Of Earth low level flight capability system is a fraud and failure, the last time South African air force tried low level Rooivalk flight, it crashed into electricity wires in broad daylight, once an attack helicopter fails the low level combat test, it becomes useless.

Rooivalk helicopter remains useless to all air forces in the world, so they buy other helos. Only 11 units of Rooivalk exist since about 20 years of introduction. The body/airframe design already looks out-dated for a $ 40 million flying machine !

Roovalks remains a largely untested helicopter, maybe a bit rebel-worthy, but Mi-35 Hinds fought alongside the Rooivalk in all it's combat operations. So the Rooivalk has NEVER been tested in combat alone. The UN force in Congo was afraid of letting the Rooivalk fly to combat without help from the Mi-35 Hind which were flown by Ukraine and India in Congo DRC theatre.

Does anybody have money to waste? Go buy Rooivalk helicopter...it has no future, it is a dead end.

CASE CLOSED

PHOTO: ROOIVALK HELICOPTER OF SANDF, OUT-DATED BODY DESIGN, OVER-RATED PEFORMANCE[/size]

agaugust:


The South African Recces are 99% dead, retired, ran away overseas, or too old to fight. The real ones with combat experience are NOT the SANDF, they are the old time apartheid regime SADF in an era gone by and now history.

Today, 95% of South African army men and equipment have zero combat experience, 99% of South African air force has zero combat experience, while 100% of your expensive navy men and equipment have zero combat experience.

South African military is like a team of footballers who spent all their lives in training under a coach, but NEVER engage in any football competition with a real opponent to test their real capability...get it ?

.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt] South African Soldiers are poorly tained...United Nations complains.

SANDF trained by Brigadier-General who cheated to pass military exams

Fancy SANDF photos you see here are deceptions from a rag tag unprofessional army dressed in nice uniforms [/size]


UN lambasts discipline of South Africa’s poorly trained’ troops.

The officer in charge of training soldiers for deployment to the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) is an exam cheat.

And in another embarrassment for the SA National Defence Force (SANDF), a top UN official sharply criticised the discipline and combat readiness of South African soldiers in Sudan in a recent letter.

Brigadier-General Sithabiso Mahlobo, who was found guilty in 2002 of cheating in exams, is in charge of the training of soldiers who are in the process of being deployed to the war-torn North Kivu province of the DRC.

He is the commander of 46 SA Brigade in Kengray, Joburg.

Mahlobo confirmed to City Press’ sister newspaper, Rapport, that he is responsible for training soldiers who will join the neutral international force (NIF) to fight the notorious M23 rebels in the DRC.

The NIF is a joint operation of the UN and the Southern African Development Community.

Mahlobo was demoted from general to major in 2002 after he was found to have cheated in a military exam by copying from another candidate.

Despite this, he again progressed through the ranks and was promoted to brigadier-general in 2008.

He then took over 46 SA Brigade.

According to military expert Helmoed-Römer Heitman, no officer who has been found guilty of an offence like cheating in examinations should train other soldiers.

In an unrelated development, it has been revealed that a top SANDF commander refused to receive extra training for South African soldiers on duty in Sudan.

In a classified letter, Lieutenant-Colonel T Mashalaba, the commander of an infantry battalion of the SANDF, which was until recently deployed in the troubled Darfur region in Sudan, flatly refused to allow his soldiers to receive training from the UN and the African Union (AU) after one of his soldiers died in an ambush last year.

Mashalaba was in command of the 10 SA Infantry Battalion when Rifleman Vincent van der Walt (23) died in the ambush in October.

Two other South African soldiers were wounded in the attack.

They were stationed at the combined mission of the AU and UN (Unamid) in Darfur.

A UN official in Sudan reliably told City Press that Mashalaba was already on thin ice prior to this incident after ignoring an order to deploy his troops to a refugee camp.

A woman was apparently abducted on August 15 as a result.

Mashalaba allegedly also tried to halt the inquiry into the ambush in October.

“He involved himself personally in the inquiry and tried to halt it despite direct orders to cooperate,” the UN official said.

A letter from a senior Unamid official, in which the quality of South African soldiers’ training was sharply criticised, had been distributed among senior South African army officers just more than a month ago.

The letter, which was apparently also sent to top officials at the UN headquarters in New York, mentions the soldiers’ lack of discipline and their arrogance.

The Zuma link

In 2010 the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) controversially awarded two oil concessions in the east of the country to President Jacob Zuma’s nephew, Khulubuse (pictured left).

The rights were originally awarded to Irish oil company Tullow and South Africa’s Divine Inspiration Group in 2006, but “reassigned” to two Khulubuse Zuma companies, Caprikat and Foxwhelp, which are registered in the British Virgin Islands.

The oil blocks are in Lake Albert in the east of the DRC on the border with Uganda.

In January last year, British oil industry watchdog Platform London reported that Zuma’s companies had begun exploration activities.

In 2010 Mark Willcox, chief executive of Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale’s Mvelaphanda Holdings, confirmed to the Mail & Guardian that they were giving “strategic advice” to Khulubuse Zuma.

Mvela signed two mining deals in the eastern DRC in 2004 relating to the Kilomoto gold project and the Ruashi copper-and-cobalt project.

Reuters reported that Khulubuse Zuma signed the deal with the DRC government on behalf of Caprikat and that Michael Hulley, President Zuma’s lawyer and legal adviser, signed the Foxwhelp deal.

- Pieter-Louis Myburgh

http://www.citypress.co.za/news/exam-cheat-is-training-army/
.

agaugust:


The South African Recces are 99% dead, retired, ran away overseas, or too old to fight. The real ones with combat experience are NOT the SANDF, they are the old time apartheid regime SADF in an era gone by and now history.

Today, 95% of South African army men and equipment have zero combat experience, 99% of South African air force has zero combat experience, while 100% of your expensive navy men and equipment have zero combat experience.

South African military is like a team of footballers who spent all their lives in training under a coach, but NEVER engage in any football competition with a real opponent to test their real capability...get it ?

.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt] South African Soldiers are poorly tained...United Nations complains.

SANDF trained by Brigadier-General who cheated to pass military exams

Fancy SANDF photos you see here are deceptions from a rag tag unprofessional army dressed in nice uniforms [/size]


UN lambasts discipline of South Africa’s poorly trained’ troops.

The officer in charge of training soldiers for deployment to the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) is an exam cheat.

And in another embarrassment for the SA National Defence Force (SANDF), a top UN official sharply criticised the discipline and combat readiness of South African soldiers in Sudan in a recent letter.

Brigadier-General Sithabiso Mahlobo, who was found guilty in 2002 of cheating in exams, is in charge of the training of soldiers who are in the process of being deployed to the war-torn North Kivu province of the DRC.

He is the commander of 46 SA Brigade in Kengray, Joburg.

Mahlobo confirmed to City Press’ sister newspaper, Rapport, that he is responsible for training soldiers who will join the neutral international force (NIF) to fight the notorious M23 rebels in the DRC.

The NIF is a joint operation of the UN and the Southern African Development Community.

Mahlobo was demoted from general to major in 2002 after he was found to have cheated in a military exam by copying from another candidate.

Despite this, he again progressed through the ranks and was promoted to brigadier-general in 2008.

He then took over 46 SA Brigade.

According to military expert Helmoed-Römer Heitman, no officer who has been found guilty of an offence like cheating in examinations should train other soldiers.

In an unrelated development, it has been revealed that a top SANDF commander refused to receive extra training for South African soldiers on duty in Sudan.

In a classified letter, Lieutenant-Colonel T Mashalaba, the commander of an infantry battalion of the SANDF, which was until recently deployed in the troubled Darfur region in Sudan, flatly refused to allow his soldiers to receive training from the UN and the African Union (AU) after one of his soldiers died in an ambush last year.

Mashalaba was in command of the 10 SA Infantry Battalion when Rifleman Vincent van der Walt (23) died in the ambush in October.

Two other South African soldiers were wounded in the attack.

They were stationed at the combined mission of the AU and UN (Unamid) in Darfur.

A UN official in Sudan reliably told City Press that Mashalaba was already on thin ice prior to this incident after ignoring an order to deploy his troops to a refugee camp.

A woman was apparently abducted on August 15 as a result.

Mashalaba allegedly also tried to halt the inquiry into the ambush in October.

“He involved himself personally in the inquiry and tried to halt it despite direct orders to cooperate,” the UN official said.

A letter from a senior Unamid official, in which the quality of South African soldiers’ training was sharply criticised, had been distributed among senior South African army officers just more than a month ago.

The letter, which was apparently also sent to top officials at the UN headquarters in New York, mentions the soldiers’ lack of discipline and their arrogance.

The Zuma link

In 2010 the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) controversially awarded two oil concessions in the east of the country to President Jacob Zuma’s nephew, Khulubuse (pictured left).

The rights were originally awarded to Irish oil company Tullow and South Africa’s Divine Inspiration Group in 2006, but “reassigned” to two Khulubuse Zuma companies, Caprikat and Foxwhelp, which are registered in the British Virgin Islands.

The oil blocks are in Lake Albert in the east of the DRC on the border with Uganda.

In January last year, British oil industry watchdog Platform London reported that Zuma’s companies had begun exploration activities.

In 2010 Mark Willcox, chief executive of Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale’s Mvelaphanda Holdings, confirmed to the Mail & Guardian that they were giving “strategic advice” to Khulubuse Zuma.

Mvela signed two mining deals in the eastern DRC in 2004 relating to the Kilomoto gold project and the Ruashi copper-and-cobalt project.

Reuters reported that Khulubuse Zuma signed the deal with the DRC government on behalf of Caprikat and that Michael Hulley, President Zuma’s lawyer and legal adviser, signed the Foxwhelp deal.

- Pieter-Louis Myburgh

http://www.citypress.co.za/news/exam-cheat-is-training-army/
.

agaugust:

[size=14pt]Rooivalk helicopter is an over-rated piece of obsolescent half-french metal junk called helicopter gunship. It barks more than it can bite. About 20 years since project started, no single export customer, every country that has a wise air force runs away from Rooivalk fat-turkey, the helo has no combat history execpt against a handful of rebles who have no radar and no anti-aircraft missile.

DENEL makes a lot of false claims about the Rooivalk, e.g. the Nap Of Earth low level flight capability system is a fraud and failure, the last time South African air force tried low level Rooivalk flight, it crashed into electricity wires in broad daylight, once an attack helicopter fails the low level combat test, it becomes useless.

Rooivalk helicopter remains useless to all air forces in the world, so they buy other helos. Only 11 units of Rooivalk exist since about 20 years of introduction. The body/airframe design already looks out-dated for a $ 40 million flying machine !

Roovalks remains a largely untested helicopter, maybe a bit rebel-worthy, but Mi-35 Hinds fought alongside the Rooivalk in all it's combat operations. So the Rooivalk has NEVER been tested in combat alone. The UN force in Congo was afraid of letting the Rooivalk fly to combat without help from the Mi-35 Hind which were flown by Ukraine and India in Congo DRC theatre.

Does anybody have money to waste? Go buy Rooivalk helicopter...it has no future, it is a dead end.

CASE CLOSED

PHOTO: ROOIVALK HELICOPTER OF SANDF, OUT-DATED BODY DESIGN, OVER-RATED PEFORMANCE[/size]

MikeZA: Soldiers coming out from CAR prepared 6 SAI for deployment,similar to the now deployed 5 SAI. What's funny is that those soldiers performed well in DRC,their mates from Tanzania and Malawi took more than 6 casualties. Let's talk about how ill trained Nigerian soldier are. Almost in every contact with BH your army loses men. Because you infantry isn't well equipped to quickly suppress the enemy fire. What's going on in Nigeria is a civil war.

MikeZA: Retired special forces go into the reserves. Similar to generals when their country needs them,you'll see them stepping forward. Just yesterday I was talking to a former 32 battalion soldier who's now a game ranger. Some his friends are still serving in the force. SANDF soldiers is trained by officers with great operational experience. Your analogy is poor mister,cause in the military you're told what to do you don't just "shot" like in the football anytime you want. So having experienced officers to train and led you to battle is............................

patches689: Guys, could we stop the dick measuring for one second.

I want to hear legit opinions from all members.... why did the Mangusta beat the Rooivalk for the Turkish trails?

yes, the rooivalk is slower

But the rooivalk has a longer operational range

and a bigger payload

and a higher service ceiling

but is less agile (rate of climb)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_helicopter#Performance

The rooivalk carries more ammo for the same caliber pintle-mounted weapon (20mm)

The rooivalk can carry more ATGM's (16 v

The rooivalk comes with the Mokopa which is superior to the AGM-114 "Hellfire" (longer range, better penetration with the same seeker - millimeter band radar)

And dont talk about the combat suite... as the Turkish deal would have financed the Rooivalk lite with the new combat suite and ground search radar

I can only speculate that political influence or obscure doctrinal needs* were the influence

*maybe the turks wanted more of a recon orientated attack helicopter, but then they would have chosen the Tiger as it is the best the west has to offer in terms of a long range recon orientated attack helo

I know augugbgugug will shitpost... but I wanna hear from the rest of the forum (not only south africans)

agaugust:

SANDF had less casualties in Congo DRC because South African soldiers were hiding behind the backs of Tanzanian soldiers who are brave, bold and professional, they took the bullets on behalf of the cowardly SANDF men, the Tanzanians were asked by the UN to lead and protect SANDF, the Tanzanian/Malawian soldiers died in the front to keep the South African soldiers alive at the back.

Nigerian soldiers died in many NOT all engagement with Bokos, why? Because our men are courageous face to face combatants, who do hand to hand fighting in civilian residential areas house to house combat. How does an army use heavy and long range weapons against an enemy wearing civilian clothes and shooting from inside innocent people's houses with women and children everywhere? Should we use mortar and RPG on our own civilians?

South Africa has NEVER been tested in a homeland COIN war, so let us see you will use long range grenade launchers and mortars on your own wives and children mixed with insurgents in civilian clothes, so we can count how many collateral damages your own family will suffer