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Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by seyenko(m): 12:36pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
Please stop all this funny statements, in as much as it is in the bible , please note that the rule was directed to the Israelites when the prevailing mode of worship of God was Judaism. However with the ushering in of Christianity - a religion with a more global focus such rules that are culture specific to the Jews in not applicable to others. Or are you saying ladies living in temperate regions of the world should wear skirt all year round. If you were born an Eskimo living in the north or south pole you will put on a skirt? think about it 1 Like |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by Kgdavid(m): 12:44pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
the bible has word for some of us here. their kind has been existing for years and still continue to propagate, PHARISEE!! you must understand that we can not live by the law else we shall perish in sin by the dictates of the law. for no man can keep all aspects of the law and Jesus said if you fail in one aspect you have failed in all, therefore Jesus has come so that we might not perish by the law but live by faith. Jesus and his disciples once ate corn without following the procedure of the law and when accosted by the pharisee's he replied that the Father is more interested by the state of your heart than the cleanliness of your physical state. but even so, it is evident that female trousers are different from male trousers and as such men who wear apple bottom jeans or women who wear a mans suit for example are the ones who could be considered to break the law. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by omar22(m): 12:53pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
were they wearing trouser when the book was wrote or when moses place these laws |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by boss247: 12:57pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
dats nonsense there are trousers made 4 men and those made for women.pastors should stop using the scriptures to buttress their opinions |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by Ubiman(m): 1:03pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
[center]Do My Clothes Reveal the Real Me?[/center] “IT’S not too short,” Peggy cried to her parents. “You’re just being old-fashioned!” Off she ran to her room—the grand finale to a quarrel over a skirt she wanted to wear. And perhaps you have been the center of a similar controversy when a parent, a teacher, or an employer criticized some outfit that you loved. You called it casual; they called it sloppy. You called it chic; they called it gaudy or suggestive. Admittedly, tastes vary, and you do have a right to your opinions. But should this mean that ‘anything goes’ when it comes to how you dress? The Right Message? “What you wear,” says a girl named Pam, “is really who you are and how you feel about yourself.” Yes, clothing sends out a message, a statement to others about you. Clothing can whisper conscientiousness, stability, high moral standards. Or it can shout rebellion and discontent. It can even serve as a form of identification. Some youths use ripped clothing, punk styles, or expensive designer clothes as a type of trademark. Others use clothing to attract the opposite sex or to make themselves appear older than they really are. It is thus easy to see why clothing is so important to many youths. However, John T. Molloy, author of Dress for Success, cautions: “The way we dress has a remarkable impact on the people we meet and greatly affects how they treat us.” No wonder your parents are so concerned about how you dress! To them it is more than an issue of personal taste. They want you to send out the right message, one that projects you as a balanced, responsible person. [center]The “Air” of Worldly Styles[/center] Another aspect of this world’s “air” pertains to styles of clothing and grooming. Many in the world dress in order to make themselves sexually alluring. Even preteens want to make themselves up to appear older, accentuating sex. Are you affected by this widespread “air,” or attitude? Do you dress to thrill, to tease, to arouse improperly the interest of those of the opposite sex? If so, you are playing with fire. Breathing this “air” will choke your spirit of modesty, your desire to be chaste. (Micah 6: Those who have a worldly spirit will be drawn to you. From your actions, they will get the message that you are ready to join them in immorality. But why start in this direction by letting such “air” entice you to do what is bad in God’s sight? To be modest, we do not have to dress or groom ourselves shoddily or unattractively. Consider the way the vast majority of Jehovah’s Witnesses dress and groom themselves. They avoid the extreme styles of this world but present themselves attractively, keeping in mind that they are ministers representing the Sovereign of the universe, Jehovah. Let the old world be critical of their modest styles. They dare not let this world’s attitudes cause them to lower their Christian standards. “This, therefore, I say and bear witness to in the Lord,” wrote the apostle Paul, “that you no longer go on walking just as the nations also walk in the unprofitableness of their minds . . . Having come to be past all moral sense, they gave themselves over to loose conduct to work uncleanness of every sort.” (Ephesians 4:17-19) The mature Christian will dress modestly, not walking just as the nations do.—1 Timothy 2:9, 10. So far, we have considered only two aspects of the “air” of this world. But already we have seen that this “air” is very harmful to spiritual health. In the next article, we will take up other features of this deadly “air” that the Devil and his system continually blow toward Christians, hoping that they will succumb to it. How important that we avoid such “air,” for absorbing the spirit of this world is like breathing the vapors of death! [center]In Dress and Grooming[/center] Styles and fashions change with every season. However, Bible principles about dress and grooming remain constant. Paul urged Christian women to “adorn themselves in well-arranged dress, with modesty and soundness of mind”—a principle that applies with equal force to men. (1 Tim. 2:9) Paul was not recommending an extremely plain style of dress, nor was he saying that all Christians must have the same taste. But what about modesty? One dictionary defines modesty as “freedom from conceit or vanity . . . propriety in dress, speech, or conduct.” We need to ask ourselves: ‘Can I honestly say that I am being modest if I insist on my right to dress in a manner that calls undue attention to me? Does my manner of dress send a wrong signal about who I am or the morals I live by?’ We can avoid “giving any cause for stumbling” in this regard by “keeping an eye, not in personal interest upon just [our] own matters, but also in personal interest upon those of the others.”—2 Cor. 6:3; Phil. 2:4. Stirred to Reflect Jehovah’s Standards Today, there are more than six million Witnesses of Jehovah who, like Martha and now Camille, are preaching the “good news of the kingdom” worldwide. (Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20) Like the first-century Christians, they are deeply moved by “the magnificent things of God.” They appreciate that they are privileged to bear Jehovah’s name and that he has poured out his spirit upon them. Consequently, they make every effort “to walk worthily of Jehovah to the end of fully pleasing him,” applying his standards in every aspect of their lives. Among other things, this includes respecting God’s standards in dress and grooming.—Colossians 1:10a; Titus 2:10. Yes, Jehovah has set standards with regard to our personal appearance. The apostle Paul outlined some of God’s requirements in this regard. “I desire the women to adorn themselves in well-arranged dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive garb, but in the way that befits women professing to reverence God, namely, through good works.” What do we learn from these words?—1 Timothy 2:9, 10. Paul’s words show that Christians should “adorn themselves in well-arranged dress.” They are not to be sloppy, untidy, or unkempt in their appearance. Virtually anyone, even those of modest means, can meet such reasonable standards by ensuring that their clothing is neat, clean, and presentable. For example, every year Witnesses in one South American country walk for miles through the jungle and then travel for hours by canoe in order to attend their district convention. It is not uncommon for someone to fall into the river or to snag his garments on a bush in the course of the journey. So when the conventioners arrive in the area where the convention is to be held, their appearance is often somewhat disheveled. They therefore take time to sew on buttons, repair zippers, and wash and iron the clothes they are going to wear to the convention. They cherish their invitation to feed at Jehovah’s table, and they want to dress appropriately. Paul further indicated that we should dress with “modesty and soundness of mind.” This means that our appearance should not be showy, bizarre, provocative, revealing, or faddish. In addition, we should dress in a manner that reflects ‘reverence for God.’ That gives food for thought, does it not? It is not simply a matter of dressing appropriately when attending congregation meetings and then throwing all caution to the wind at other times. Our personal appearance should always reflect a reverent, honorable attitude because we are Christians and ministers 24 hours a day. It goes without saying that our work clothes and school clothes will be appropriate for the nature of the tasks we will be performing. Still, we should dress modestly and with dignity. If our dress always reflects our belief in God, we will never feel obligated to hold back from witnessing informally because of embarrassment over our appearance.—1 Peter 3:15. ‘Do Not Be Loving the World’ The counsel recorded at 1 John 2:15, 16 also provides guidance in our choice of dress and grooming. We read: “Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world.” How timely that counsel is! In an age where peer pressure has never been more intense, we must not allow the world to dictate our dress. Styles of dress and grooming have deteriorated in recent years. Even the dress code of business and professional people does not always provide a reliable standard of what is appropriate for Christians. This is a further reason why we should always be conscious of the need to “quit being fashioned after this system of things” if we are to live according to God’s standards and thus “adorn the teaching of our Savior, God, in all things.”—Romans 12:2; Titus 2:10. Before deciding whether to purchase an item of clothing, it is wise to ask yourself: ‘Why does this style appeal to me? Is it identified with some well-known entertainer—someone I admire? Has it been adopted by members of a street gang or by a group that promotes an independent, rebellious spirit?’ We should also look closely at the garment. If it is a dress or a skirt, what about the length? The cut? Is the garment modest, appropriate, and dignified, or is it tight-fitting, provocative, or sloppy? Ask yourself, ‘Will my wearing this garment give cause for stumbling?’ (2 Corinthians 6:3, 4) Why should that be of concern to us? Because the Bible says: “Even the Christ did not please himself.” (Romans 15:3) Christian family heads must take an interest in the appearance of family members. Out of respect for the glorious God whom they worship, family heads should not hesitate to offer firm, loving counsel when such is necessary.—James 3:13. The message that we bear emanates from Jehovah, who is the very epitome of dignity and holiness. (Isaiah 6:3) The Bible urges us to imitate him “as beloved children.” (Ephesians 5:1) Our dress and grooming can reflect either well or badly on our heavenly Father. Surely we want to make his heart glad!—Proverbs 27:11. How do you feel about “the magnificent things of God” that you have learned? Really, how privileged we are to have learned the truth! Because we exercise faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ, our sins are forgiven. (Acts 2:38) As a result, we have freeness of speech before God. We do not fear death as do those who have no hope. Rather, we have Jesus’ assurance that one day “all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out.” (John 5:28, 29) Jehovah has been gracious in revealing all these things to us. In addition, he has poured out his spirit upon us. Therefore, gratitude for all these good gifts should move us to respect his elevated standards and to praise him with zeal, declaring these “magnificent things” to others. [center]The Bible’s Viewpoint[/center] Your Dress and Grooming—Does It Matter to God? “As the index tells the contents of the book, . . . even so do the outward habit and garments, in man or woman, give us a taste of the spirit.”—English playwright Philip Massinger. IN THE third century C.E., church writer Titus Clemens drew up a long list of rules governing dress and grooming. Ornaments and luxurious or colorful fabrics were prohibited. Women were not to dye their hair nor to “smear their faces with the ensnaring devices of wily cunning,” that is, “painting the face.” Men were instructed to shave the hair on their heads because “a cropped head . . . shows a man to be grave,” but the hair on the chin was not to be disturbed, for it “lends to the face dignity and paternal terror.” Centuries later Protestant leader John Calvin enacted laws specifying the color and type of clothing his followers might wear. Jewelry and lace were frowned upon, and a woman could be jailed for arranging her hair to an “immoral height.” Such radical viewpoints, espoused by religious leaders over the years, have caused many sincere individuals to wonder, Does it really matter to God what I wear? Does he disapprove of certain fashions or the use of makeup? What does the Bible teach? [center]A Personal Matter[/center] Interestingly, as recorded at John 8:31, 32, Jesus said to his disciples: “If you remain in my word, . . . you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Yes, the truths taught by Jesus were intended to liberate people from the oppressive burdens created by tradition and false teachings. They were designed to refresh those “toiling and loaded down.” (Matthew 11:28) Neither Jesus nor his Father, Jehovah God, has any desire to control people’s lives to the extent that individuals can no longer take initiative and exercise their own reasoning on personal matters. Jehovah wants them to become mature people who “through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong.”—Hebrews 5:14. Thus, the Bible provides no detailed laws governing dress and grooming or the use of cosmetics, other than some specific clothing requirements imposed on the Jews by the Mosaic Law, which were intended to help them keep separate from the surrounding nations and their immoral influence. (Numbers 15:38-41; Deuteronomy 22:5) Within the Christian arrangement, dress and grooming are basically a matter of personal taste. That is not to suggest, however, that God is indifferent to what we wear or that ‘anything goes.’ On the contrary, the Bible contains reasonable guidelines that reflect God’s viewpoint on dress and grooming. “With Modesty and Soundness of Mind” The apostle Paul wrote that Christian women should “adorn themselves in well-arranged dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive garb.” Similarly, Peter counsels against “the external braiding of the hair and of the putting on of gold ornaments.”—1 Timothy 2:9; 1 Peter 3:3. Are Peter and Paul indicating that Christian women and men should avoid enhancing their appearance? Not at all! In fact, the Bible mentions faithful men and women who used jewelry or cosmetic oils and perfumes. Before her audience with King Ahasuerus, Esther underwent an extensive beauty regimen involving perfumed oils and massage. And Joseph was clothed with garments of fine linen and a necklace of gold.—Genesis 41:42; Exodus 32:2, 3; Esther 2:7, 12, 15. The phrase “soundness of mind,” as used by Paul, helps us to understand the admonition. The original Greek word denotes being temperate and self-controlled. It implies thinking of oneself soberly, not drawing undue attention. Other Bible translations render this word as “discreetly,” “sensibly,” “refined,” or “with self-restraint.” This quality is an important requirement for Christian elders.—1 Timothy 3:2. So, in telling us that our dress and grooming should be modest and well arranged, the Scriptures encourage us to avoid any extreme styles that would offend others and bring reproach upon our reputation and that of the Christian congregation. Rather than drawing attention to their appearance through physical adornment, those professing reverence for God should display soundness of mind and put the emphasis on “the secret person of the heart in the incorruptible apparel of the quiet and mild spirit.” This, Peter concludes, “is of great value in the eyes of God.”—1 Peter 3:4. Christians are “a theatrical spectacle to the world.” They need to be aware of the impression that they give to others, especially in light of the mandate they have to preach the good news. (1 Corinthians 4:9; Matthew 24:14) They would therefore not want to let anything, including their appearance, distract others from listening to that vital message.—2 Corinthians 4:2. While styles vary widely from one place to another, the Bible offers individuals clear, reasonable guidelines that enable them to choose wisely. As long as people adhere to these principles, God freely and lovingly allows all to express personal taste in their dress and grooming. *An attempt was made to bolster these interdictions by twisting the Scriptures. Though the Bible says no such thing, the influential theologian Tertullian taught that since a woman was the cause “of the first sin, and the odium . . . of human perdition,” women should walk “about as Eve mourning and repentant.” In fact, he insisted that a naturally beautiful woman should even go so far as to hide her beauty.—Compare Romans 5:12-14; 1 Timothy 2:13, 14. [center]Right and Wrong View of Dress. [/center] Jehovah’s people are told not to be unduly anxious about having sufficient clothing. (Mt 6:25-32) The Christian woman is warned not to let expensive, showy dress or style be the thing she seeks but, rather, to let her clothing be modest, yet well arranged, showing soundness of mind. She should, therefore, give attention to her dress but should put the primary stress on the apparel of a quiet and mild spirit. (1Ti 2:9; 1Pe 3:3-5) Yet, the wise writer of Proverbs describes a good wife as seeing that her family is well clothed, industriously making garments with her own hands.—Pr 31:13, 21, 24. On the other hand, many women of Bible times used their attire as a means of gaining their selfish objectives. It was a custom for women of pagan cities, when about to be captured by the enemy, to put on their finest apparel in order to attract soldiers who might take them as wives. But, in case a captive woman was taken by an Israelite soldier, she was required to set aside her items of dress, some of which might be connected with pagan religion, before he could marry her.—De 21:10-13. After Israel had fallen into many idolatrous and immoral practices, Jehovah condemned the women of the nation who haughtily garbed and decorated themselves in order to attract men, even men of other nations, and who decked themselves with the ornaments of false religion.—Isa 3:16-23; compare Pr 7:10. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by ayettymama(f): 1:07pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
o gawd is this still an issue in he new millenium gosh no wonder the country is soo backwards! |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by SwtzMinx(f): 1:08pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
.we shall know later. . .precisely jUdGmeNT day. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by Paschaldasilva(m): 1:13pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
The truth must stand though is bitter. God can't be intimidated with big grammer, history, miracles. Or any thing. I believe every real born again christian knows his or her wear. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by InesQor(m): 1:24pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
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Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by GoodMuyis(m): 1:27pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
People May seens that FEMALEs wearing trouser is notting but i tell it does great damage to MALEs that are of simple mind. Their mind is always fighting with immoral thought, though they don't like it but any time they sight a LADY in TOO-TIGHT TROUSER their immoral thought rise, some even got erected and they can't fight that. Also Ladies of this days are so bad that the kind of trousers they are wearing now is not encouraging, that is why trouser for ladies is always frown at by we that like MORALLITY. If Lady wear trousers they course other to sin(offences) and what Bible say about that: (Matt 18:7) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! (Luke 17:1) Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe [unto him], through whom they come! |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by Omoso(m): 1:30pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
In d days of adam and eve,na which kind trowser dem use. Na palazo abi na jeans or old scul.Abi plane trowser.? Una ma sef. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by grabdbull: 1:31pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
I guess this means the Isoko man that ties a wrapper is going to hell, |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by grabdbull: 1:32pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
Or the Itsekiri man on wrapper is condemned |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by grabdbull: 1:34pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
Woe to the Urhobo man that ties wrapper, then. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by grabdbull: 1:42pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
What do we then say about the Scottish kilt? |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by grabdbull: 1:55pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
Let's stop interpreting the Bible to suit our own desires. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by chukz4real(m): 2:11pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
What do you expect from a preacher that did not receive the call from God but preaching of his own understanding, , provide Nigerians with jobs, O God! |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by Kgdavid(m): 2:15pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
donot mind these simpleones.imagine saying that women in tight trousers cause some men to lust wildy after them and therefore women should not wear trousers, so what then about ladies in tight shirt skirts? does this then mean ladies should equally not wear skirts? foolish people. love your lord your god with all your heart, with all your strength and love your neighbour as yourself. be more concerned about fulfilling this than whether or not women should wear trousers |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by Wrex(m): 2:15pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
If memory serves me right,this was in the old testament.There are so many laws in the old testament that people are not following.In the old testament,its a sin for women to wear earrings but a lot of ladies wear it.Are they also going to hell.we need to stop this shallow way of thinking, its the heart that matters |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by Nobody: 2:39pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
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Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by Nobody: 2:39pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
Developed countries are doing research to find the cure for AIDS. They are investing in their youth and making new advances in research and development, and technology. Nigerians are here scheming on how to keep women in bondage. As if Jesus Christ didn't wear Robes, or as if the scottish men who wear kilts, or men who tie wrappers are going to hell. This is what happens when some people just pick up the bible and open their mouths. Bible says "the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life". Before you harp on about women and trousers go and observe all the laws in the old testament, and don't forget the "goat/sheep" allowance any time you commit a sin. Nonsense. I don't associate with men and women with this backward view. You'd better leave the women alone, and lets focus on our lives. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by lysaa(f): 2:42pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
tell them! They leave the weightier matters and focus on the trivials. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by Anyafu(m): 2:46pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
What am sayin is dat if u are a lady & u known dat wearin it will lead u to sin, pls stop now[color=][/color] |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by olomoyen: 2:49pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
whats all these talk about women going to hell because they wear trousers? i suppose there are different types of trousers for both male and female, such that a man cannot wear a lady's type of trouser just like we have in shirts too. Except we are saying women should not wear shirts (even blouses as long it has openings in front) and men should not wear T-shirts or anything that's all covering. My submission |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by ayettymama(f): 2:51pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
^^ where in the bible does it say the word trousers? to all those interpreting rubbish pls stop! the law is to be followed The verse sayin men should not dress as women is directed at homosexuals- yes its always been were just hearing abt it now! it was a common thing for men to dress as women in those days- hence the abolition of it! no where does the bible say a woman should not wear trousers so u aff shuld stop chattin breeze! kmt |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by ayettymama(f): 2:53pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
Deuteronomy 22:5 [size=20pt]The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.[/size] i dont think i see properly?? i still dont see the word trousers |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by totalabi: 2:54pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
Very funny '' a woman shall not wear a man clothing" trousers always comes as the handy example dont forget this same bible warns against men wearing womens clothing. However some parts of Nigeria like the Niger Delta Area men actually tie wrapper, dont forget wrappers are meant for women too, why should men use them. Also in scotland men wear skirts are they on their way to hell? Nigerians and hypocrisy. Please dont tell me that it is the tradition in those places i just mentioned and that men have their own kind of wrapper too then it will pass that women have their own trousers too. These advocates of this old testament laws can as well start making animal sacrifices and start wearing sashes or better still start roaming in the wilderness. Senseless hypocrites |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by ayettymama(f): 2:58pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
its nothing to do with trousers or wrapper they are not 'strictly' mens clothing!! b4 the white man came im pretty sure everyone in africa was in skirts and wrapper trousers are relatively a new fashion because africa is backwards and ignorant to civilisation they like making invalid points it was meant to mean men should not dress like women and vice versa it wasnt specifically trying to point out particular items of clothing, who should wear them and who shouldnt this is what we call ignorant nitpickin- done by men and woman that are jobless!! |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by lysaa(f): 3:01pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
ayettymama:dem nor go still hear. Abeg leave matter for Mathias Anyafu:I don\t get u. How does wearing trousers lead one to sin? U mean when u wear it the urge to sin shows up? I know one thing tho, that "every man is drawn away by 'his' own lust". So the problem is not in the lady wearing them or the trousers per se but the one thats lusting after the one wearing em trousers. |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by platinumnk(f): 3:02pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
It was because of this foolish concept that the fulanis killed and despoiled an igbo corper |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by platinumnk(f): 3:03pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
I must pray ooo, I wear pants like everyday! |
Re: Women In Trousers: Heaven Or Hell by ayettymama(f): 3:04pm On Mar 22, 2010 |
^^ really?? since when did fulani's bcum christian platinumnk: IGNORE THE BASTARDS THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY SAY!! |
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