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Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 8:43pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
Christ preached about a coming kingdom, but he asked his disciples to practise righteousness, love and to avoid sin. Now if a muslim or a hindu does these or if an aetheist,or any other [b]unbeliever[/b] practices these things, can we rightly assume that they will not make the knigdomof God? Let me know your opinions with researched reasons, no insults or pettiness. |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Nobody: 9:27pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
Evrythng in life has a guide to operation in form of manuals/handbook.I bought a brand new car in 2002 Honda Accord i was given owners manual that stated do&donts i didnt follow it to the latter i ended up selling d car in 2007 When it developed fault.I believe same applies to electronics&mechanical devices&human life.D path to heaven is contained in d life manual,if we obey it,Heaven is assured |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 9:30pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
toba, Does your earthly faith or religion matter? |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by e36991: 9:32pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
Marlbron: @Marlbron The Kingdom of God is already here Think of it this way, it is similar to having American soil in Naija (i.e. by virtue of an embassy) An American citizen in an American embassy is on American soil and no longer subjected to the host country's law inasmuchas such individual remains within the confines of the embassy However an observation. Without accepting Christ, is it possible to practise righteousness, love and to avoid sin should have been the question Anyway I tell you this truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Nobody: 10:01pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
Marlbron:No it matters less.Between Jesus&mohammad who preached/practised any religion? Now tell me who amongst d two is worthy of emulation? |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by okenwa(m): 10:14pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
the promise of the kingdom is for the [/sub]whosever[sub] will obey xtian,pagan,muslim,etc whosoever |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Nobody: 10:28pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
okenwa:Yes&no. I dnt understand how a pagan/atheist would believe anythng about God |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 10:45pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
toba: 1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. Let me give you a real life example. Mandela is not a Christian. Does or has he not enjoy(ed) the goodwill of the Almighty? he is the most reverred man living on earth. How many religious leaders are better than him? Do you think he will not enter the knigdom of God? |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 10:46pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
toba: 1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. Let me give you a real life example. Mandela is not a Christian. Does or has he not enjoy(ed) the goodwill of the Almighty? he is the most reverred man living on earth. How many religious leaders are better than him? Do you think he will not enter the knigdom of God? |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Nobody: 10:53pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
Marlbron:U can answer ur self.Who owns d kingdom of God? If u fail to honour d owner of a house would he allow u to enter his house? |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 10:59pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
@Marlbron The Kingdom of God is already here Think of it this way, it is similar to having American soil in Naija (i.e. by virtue of an embassy) An American citizen in an American embassy is on American soil and no longer subjected to the host country's law inasmuchas such individual remains within the confines of the embassy However an observation. Without accepting Christ, is it possible to practise righteousness, love and to avoid sin should have been the question Anyway I tell you this truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again e3, you make very powerful point ie the kingdom of God is already with man. may I ask you to open another thread with that topic? I'd gladly contribute. The requirement to be born again was on the assumption that you have not been practising the basic injuctions of love, truthfulness etc. but there are people on earth now, that are already practicng all of these and they are not christians. Chist's death on the cross was I believe for all mankind - moslems, christians, Hindus etc. His death has resulted in the rapid progress of mankind these 2000years. Recollect that Abraham became a friend of God without being born again, he carried out an act of faith by obeying the instruction to sacrifice Isaac. Now Abraham, David, Jacob, Moses, Elijah were from bibilical accounts murderers, fornicators etc - however, we Christians regard them as numero uno in the kingdom. |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by na2day2(m): 11:01pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
Marlbron: the bible says all our righteousness are filthy rags Isaiah 64:6 meaning no matter what we do, we cant save ourselves and make heaven since by default we are sinful. for us to make heaven there must be the shedding of blood Hebrews 9:22 meaning there must be a sacrifice that will stand between God and us and for us that perfect sacrifice given by God in the person of his only begotten son, Jesus Christ. a perfect example to my explanation is this, Cain and Abel both sacrificed to God but God honored Abel's because it was the right sacrifice needed to stand between God and man after sin. |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 11:05pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
toba: toba, It appears you did not read me well. I said Mandela is not a Christian. Does that mean he does not honour or believe in a creator? 1 John 3:7 "little children, let no man deceive you; he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous" |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by e36991: 11:11pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
@Marlbron Are you familiar with these phrases of progression (i.e. from near - hand - within) "Repent of your sins and turn to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near . . ." and then seven chapters later in Matthew "And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand . . " and here is a scripture to mull over Luke 17:20-21 KJV: |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Nobody: 11:13pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
Marlbron:if mandela believes in God good for him.Im not interested in Religion,but im interested in this thread to show pple what they need to do to get to Heaven.The path to thread is stated in d lifes manual&if followed Heaven is assured.U need to believe in d owner of Heaven to get there |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 11:16pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
na2day?: You still have not landed. Are you confirming the known fact that Christ shed his blood for all humanity? We know that. but after he shed his blood he got men to God. John 14:21 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 13:34-35 34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 11:34pm On Mar 20, 2010 |
e36991: e36991. Am really amazed at your understanding. You are absolutely spot on. Christ came to inform the world about the coming of the kingdom. He went further to warn that the kingdom will come without your knowing- so no drama of somebody dropping from the sky and others flying up to the sky to meet him. Let me direct you to this scripture, Luke 17: 22 22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. 24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. The confusion in christiandom is the part where he says "taken and left".People assume that to be taken means flying to the sky, whereas it means admission into the kingdom and of course comcomitant destruction of the evil or unworthy people. It is clear that the son of man will be already on earth doing his work, but will be ignored or derided by people untill the time he reveals himself to the whole world. The most part of the revelation of john brings it out so well. The Noah example shows that mainstream religion is ofcourse. Noah was not mainstream but God found him worthy. people laughed at him when he talked about the impending doom for more than 120 years! |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by e36991: 12:14am On Mar 21, 2010 |
Marlbron: @Marlbron You are making a few assumptions to many . . . Note that Jesus was hinting that to see the Kingdom of Heaven one must have been born again (i.e. for one to see or perceive Kingdom of God and/or its power indicates a kind of spiritual birth) Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. The Gospel is preached all over the whole so what is the excuse for not believing in the person and principles of Jesus Christ Believing in the principles of Jesus Christ and not believing in the person of Jesus Christ as Muslims, Hindus etc do is mutually exclusive You cant have one and not the other . . . If Abraham, David, Jacob, Moses, Elijah from biblical accounts were murderers, fornicators etc and God used them, then we all have a chance True Abraham was a friend of God but all through Jesus potentially can become sons of God The scripture below gives some meaning to the death of Jesus Christ Romans 10:9-18 AMP: The Gospel is preached to the Mandelas of this world so what is the excuse for not believing in the person and principles of Jesus Christ |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by benodic: 12:33am On Mar 21, 2010 |
here we go again, blah blah blah. "heaven is only for Christians", heaven is only for moslems"," no matter how good you are if do not believe in jesus you will go to hell" blah blah blah. everyone is busy defending his turf and leaving the real gist. how many people are really ready to do what it takes to enter the kingdom of God. this kingdom is here and now and you do not have to die to visit any of the heavens of God and come back tell about it because you are soul made in the image and likeness of God. how do i put in words the discipline it takes , the pure love for God and life that you must have. the kingdom of God is for the bold and adventurous soul. are you ready to make the journey? |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by na2day2(m): 6:25am On Mar 21, 2010 |
Marlbron: do u know the commandments of God? Jesus himself said, i am the way the truth and the light, no man (including the self righteous) comes to the father but by me. implication, if u dont accept Jesus as ur Lord and personal savior and handing him over the affairs of ur life, nothing for u QED! |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Joagbaje(m): 6:44am On Mar 21, 2010 |
You cant be saved by works of righteousness but by faith in Christ. There is no salvation in any religion. Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 12:58pm On Mar 21, 2010 |
Joagbaje: Jo, the saving was for all humanity; moslems, hindu, xtians! na2day?: God is Love, Jesus is also Love. You cannot believe in him if you do not practise love. so one who practices love is already at one with God and Jesus |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by na2day2(m): 11:37pm On Mar 21, 2010 |
Marlbron: at least there is one thing i have gather so far, u just wanna argue |
Re: Those Who Will Make The Kingdomof God by Marlbron: 10:06pm On Mar 23, 2010 |
na2day?: Why, Joe? Is God not Love? Does he not like righteous people? He that is not against us is for us. Believing in Him is not just saying so or preaching it, but he nows you if you practice his injuctions. |
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