Abudu2000:
Nonsense, I have so many bsc around me who can't even afford to buy themselves cloth infact one in my street 32years still squatting, whereeas so many hnd guys even doing well....shey una see the kind nigeria person find himself, after u done suffer for admission uni no give, u come go poly then them go come dey descriminate you for labor market..

In nigeria anyhow you take make am as long as you make am, any idiot quote me and die, this topic is so annoying, you Know the suffering I went through for auchipoly hand then one idiot talk nonsense say he can't employ me, I better no know him house or I go give robbers him address make them snatch that him venza wey him buy take flex for December.

No carry guys like us play, I am an aye and this I what I signed to fight against!!!

OShepherd:
are U saying HND in Engineering chaps should go & sin no more

Bollinger:


I don't understand. I am an HND holder and i worked in BAT and NBL so the OP's logic does not compute. He is using one or two instances to justify the opinion. The problem is Nigerian graduates do not know how to look for employment. Even if they are lucky to be called up for interviews, most do not have the verbal and mental acumen to survive it. Doubt me? Read through the forum and witness the comments of so called "Graduates".

simplebb:
This discussion has generated lot of arguments. I was expecting that, the polytechnic graduates will try a lot to rubbish or equal themselves to their university counterparts. It is normal, it is a psychological Twist just to boost up their own ego. The truth is nobody wakes up early in life and pray to attend polytechnics, it is just a dumping ground for university rejected folks.

Certificate doesn't determine success, it is about your determination, being diligent, dedicated, mindset and prayers. That I know but op has said the right thing, certificate goes a long way too, it is one side of the two sides of a coin and getting it right in that aspect matters. This is Nigeria, The firm I worked during IT, the University engineering graduates were paid far better than the polytechnic engineer (current reality) , I posted an article that explains the difference, a diploma is different from a degree, let that sink in, rarely will u see applications that call for HND graduates in GT. No wonder shell and other top firms equate it to Third class Bsc. My current place of work is an engineering firm, a top one in Abuja and they don't even employ any HND graduates.

The sad truth we can't shy away from, the dichotomy can't end even if the government equates the two today, firms will still go for Bsc over HND. You can't just sit down and compare the two.

Even when it comes to scholarship for undergraduates and postgraduate rarely will u see for HND or poly students, PTDF, shell, Chevron etc are for university students and graduates.


This debate will go on and on, for those trying to rubbish universities first class products, you guys should continue but try remembering you dump to polytechnic because u can't pass the entrance examinations.

To compare HND to BSc is to say the polytechnic is the same as university and that's talking with tongue in one cheek.

spare the debate and let's move on to other things. if you are already in polytechnic, face your studies, graduate with good grade, get professional courses and try to get your masters and come and join the hustle. But if u are just through with ND or just seeking admission.


GET A UNIVERSITY DEGREE......

Whether Education is scam or not, Get a University degree and don't listen to crap.

hotwax:
You guys should stop miss informing the masses as if no one is employing polytechnic graduates.

In computer science, elect elect, civil engineering, mechanical engineering, HND graduates are always preferred there.

Ihebu4chelsea:
it's very simple!! Save yourself the stress. Get a degree! Stop celebrating mediocrity.

geloorrrrdd:
Yes


At least I still see job ads for engineering related courses where HND holders are allowed to apply.


I feel Polytechnics are meant for Engineers, because they learn all aspects of engineering, not just theory alone.

kerr9:
instead of going back for my HND.I wrote jamb again and currently in my 200l.I think I made the right decision

LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.

beautyfunke:
come to my area in surulere, thousand of bsc/hnd are jobless, either you are bsc/hnd just continue to pray for grace.. look at fayose governor of ekiti state a hnd holder despite we have many degree holder.. WHEN GOD STEP INTO YOUR LIFE AND UPLIFT U UP.. CERTIFICATE WILL BE NOTHING

LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.

LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.