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What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by chosen04(f): 8:10pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
What of if Dora Akunyuli was not "one of us?". Am sure all of us would have put on our seeing glasses and seen the motive(S) behind her Memo. Its obvious we (southerners) are setting double standard for judging public servants. Am beginning to see clearly now, especially since the issue of Dora that northerners may actually not be the problem of this country but the fact that we set double standard. Our media houses are fond of reporting biased issues:- 1) When Oladipo Diya & co planned Coup, It was a phantom coup 2) When Dora goofed, She became our 'heroine and saviour' for speaking last minute, ill-motivated, self centered truth. ^^^^^^^^Should i go on and continue to list others? I have learnt to speak the truth at all times not matter who, when where or whose ox is gored Right is right even if every body is against and Wrong will continue to be wrong even if every body is in support of It. The attacks are all expected. But i refuse to join the Majority to sin. Must we continue in sin GOD FORBID!!!!! Am sure if DORA was in TURAI's position the issue of 'spouse abuse' will not arise. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by ikeyman00(m): 8:12pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
^^^^ yes u are right unfortunately this isnt making any sense however consideing that u are reading from the fence doesnt help matter neither so what u blabbling about?? time to give way last mintue truth or not; if it wasnt then what could have been ![]() think again |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by oderemo(m): 8:18pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
Am sure if DORA was in TURAI's position the issue of 'spouse abuse' will not arise.` If i get you right , are you saying we dont have northerners that speak the truth? |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by ikeyman00(m): 8:20pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
^^^ yes things taking a twist funny how these thing happen |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by beystwin: 8:33pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
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Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by 006(m): 9:01pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
@ chosen04 Reading what you wrote, I start to wonder whether you have cocoon in your brain or that you’re plain silly. Can you substantiate what you mean by ill-motivated (the motivation) and self centred (the selfishness) behind her action? What do you mean that she goofed? So you would have preferred the status quo where Aondaakaa and Turai govern this country since Yar’dua is obviously sick and can’t even talk or write? This is where I came to the conclusion that you might be silly after all. The truth is that she is a heroine whether you hate her or not. Personally, I adore her just like I adore Ken Nnamani and Masari for saving us from OBJ’s 3rd term bid, just like I adore Ribadu for his efforts to weed us of corrupt politicians. Prof. Dora Akunyili saved our constitution, so she deserves praise. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 9:35pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
You need to post the letter Dora read on Feb 4th @Chosen04. Maybe if people ACTUALLY READ That letter a time of two, on their own, they will realize what really happened at some point. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 9:39pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
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Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Nobody: 9:58pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
Yayale Ahmed has been an example of a Yar'adua appointee from the North who has stood for the truth all this while. Nobody is discussing him, He is Yar'adua's secretary and has sometimes said openly how he wrote a Yar'adua sick letter which never made it to National Assembly. He was also on record to have said in the FEC after Dora did that Yar'adua should be declared INCAPACITATED. All Dora pleaded for was for at least a letter to be sent to NASS at least. Yayale said Yar'adua should be declared incapacitated. I don't know how many threads on Nairaland accusing him of disloyalty. I am also expecting to see Yayale Ahmed back in Government next week when a new innauguration will take place for he has been forthright!!!!!! |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Nobody: 10:03pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
Kobo I don't know how the bit you highlighted supports any aspect of your argument, please explain how. I am waiting. Thank you!!!! |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 10:04pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
Dora NEVER said Yar adua should be declared incapacitated. If Yayale did that, I think he should have been declared Nigeria's hero. Why, after 70 days, not even 60 day, of being AWOL would anyone still call for the president to right a letter when he should have, according to the constitution presented that by the 14th day of his absence? Why, after the courts demanded he be declared incapacited as seems the case, did she ask that the FEC instead require a letter still? Why was the VP appointed Acting President when the constitution clearly states that this can ONLY be done at the request of the President. Did the President APPROVE this appointment? If the FEC never recieved a letter from Yayale, then where did the FEC get the authority to do what it did ? She made claims of there existing a CABAL out there trying to do whatever it is she claimed, YET in her own LETTER she essentially moves to VOTE/STAMP/MAKE SURE Yar adua got another full year as PRESIDENT, even if from his death bed. The man has been AWOL for over 90 days now but guess what? He is still PRESIDENT of Nigeria. Talk about REWARDING NONSENSE. @Mikeansy, what has my argument been? If you knew what it was, you would know why the highlighted is something you, as a Nigerian should have paid attention to from day one. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Nobody: 10:09pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
The highlighted bit does not support any argument you have made before, so tell us how it does. And by the way your arguments against Dora has not been consistent, you seem to be making things up by day and looking for anything and everything possible to criticise the woman |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 10:10pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
What are the arguments you know of that I have made before now? |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Nobody: 10:12pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
SMH Kobo, please read again the highlighted in your post and see if it makes any sense to you. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Nobody: 10:14pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
Kobojunkie: Ok use the highlighted in your own evidence to demonastrate how you have been right all this while about Dora being evil. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 10:18pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
OMO IBO: In what way would it make sense to me? I have outlined some of the questions I have of her action there. The FEC's action was, if anythin, UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The only section which contained the words "ACTING PRESIDENT" specified that this could only happen by the PERMISSION of the sitting PRESIDENT. The Courts however suggested, in fact gave an ultimatum which was CONSTITUTIONAL, and would have rid us of a "DEADBEAT" President. So, How do you think the highlighted would make sense to me? |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by 006(m): 10:36pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
@ mikeansy, Ok use the highlighted in your own evidence to demonastrate how you have been right all this while about Dora being evil. I think it's the opposite she'd been arguing for. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by 006(m): 10:41pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
oops! I might be wrong. I think Kobojunkie is confused with her argument and her highlights. It didn't add up. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 10:44pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
006, if someone calls on you to take a critical look at the people you support, is that in anyway same as saying YOU SHOULD CALL THEM EVIL? If your boss decides to take a critical look at you and your record, does that mean your boss believes or thinks you are EVIL? Do you think it makes sense for anyone to say because your Boss is not analysing everyone else AT THE SAME time means your Boss is after you, or your boss only hates you, or has something against you? |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by 006(m): 10:54pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
^^^ Not at all. She made claims of there existing a CABAL out there trying to do whatever it is she claimed, YET in her own LETTER she essentially moves to VOTE/STAMP/MAKE SURE Yar adua got another full year as PRESIDENT, even if from his death bed. But do you believe there was no cabal manipulating the country? I think Dora played the best of politics to move the country forward and at the same time protect the interest of Yar’dua. Personally, I wouldn’t want him sacked because he has just a year left in his tenure, but I want Jonathan to have full powers to perform without any constitutional impediments. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by EzeUche(m): 11:02pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
If she was a northerner, she would not be talking as much for a woman! Typical Igbo woman! Hmph ![]() |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 11:11pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
006: We have always believed some “OJUJU-CALABAR” is responsible for our ineptitude, blunders, and lack of care, both at the federal, state and local levels. You go anywhere, even Aba, Calabar, Enugu, Akwa, and you will hear stories of some “CABAL” keeping the local government from fixing the roads, or even issuing driver’s licences without collecting bribes. There is always some MONSTER/CABAL responsible for our ineptitude. 006: At least you admit she did it to protect Yar adua’s interest. But what were the CABAL doing then? Where they not supposedly protecting the interest of Yar adua as well? Why do we fault THIS “AlMIGHTY CABAL” then for trying to do exactly what she did? Let me guess, because she beat them to doing it the UNCONSTITUTIONAL way FIRST? 006: You wouldn’t want a comatose PRESIDENT sacked because he has a year left in his tenure? What makes you think he cannot get a second-term next year? Will you then say you wouldn’t want him sacked because he has another term to go? (JOKE) The Courts gave a 14-day ultimatum. If the FEC had instead gone with the court, the CONSTITUTION would have been respected, we would have ensured that Yar adua could NOT get a second term, even if he dies and is resurrected later on. Jonathan would have had full power OR the country would have had to deal with the issues it ought to have. And the Senate would have been more serious with Amendments. If you remember there was widespread talk of amending the constitution to DISALLOW any other president from repeating the same. How serious is that move now? It is almost as if the events of the last couple of months never happened -- we are back to busy as usual, is this really what we want? |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by becomrich6: 11:23pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
Why do you people take dora issue so serious. Dora is a nollywood star, Dora now correct actor. She be jamebond. She is only acting. Can you see. To God, Dora is ready to tell you anything. things like "I would die Jonathan" or "Jonathan I am ready to be second wife" Look, at this moment, she is never ready to second wife for Jonathan. When I read about Dora most time. I always laugh. It is one drama to another. She is the first minister in nigeria to make Drama a part of a lifes lifes. Her program should be real life on Television. Dora act everything. Check her out next week. She would have another story . I pity her husband. The man go don give up. Drama too much. I alway laugh everytime I read her story. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by 006(m): 11:29pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
@ Kobojunkie Yes, there was a cabal running the country. As an analogy, a trader was stricken with stroke (you know he can’t move, write, or talk), then his apprentices start making decisions as if they were their boss’s mind and do any transaction as they deem fit without any sanction from their boss. What do you call them? What do you say their actions are? Legal or illegal? To the questions: But what were the CABAL doing then? Where they not protecting the interest of Yar adua as well? They were not protecting the interest of Yar’dua rather they were protecting their own interest. The person that protected the interest of Yar’dua was Dora by not agreeing he should be sacked, rather he should take his time, recover, rest and return to office. Nobody will steal his mandate from him. The Courts gave a 14 day ultimatum. If the FEC had instead gone with the court, the CONSTITUTION would have been respected Court’s ultimatum was for a medical panel to be set up. Turai never granted anybody assess to her husband, how do you think she would the medical panel? It would have been a merry go round till the military finds excuse to ruin everything. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 11:41pm On Apr 02, 2010 |
006: What persons made up this Cabal? Do you know the names of the members of the Executive council? You have to have some Names to work with here, and you have to be able to PROVE that the named have access to the power you claim they do. I mean anyone can come in here to claim someone like Orji was a member of the Cabal. I would say that person would need to be able to prove that Orji had access to that type of power in the first place. To be honest with you, I don’t buy the OJUJU-CALABAR claim. I have heard it so many times over; it is no longer a joke. Dora is on the Executive council, I believe and Jonathan Goodluck chairs it. Since she has NEVER mentioned any particular name, then I take it is as just the usual Nigerian political move and nothing more. 006: Ooohh!!! So, you are saying that the President leaving Nigeria for all this time (remember he has not even cared to show up to his own VP) is ok by you? So, her protecting this man’s mandate, even in his blatant disregard for the constitution and the people, do you believe this move was the best or the nation as well? If yes, then Ok. 006:Well, let’s look at it this way. The Letter which was supposed to authorize the installation of VP as Acting President NEVER ARRIVED. In essence, what happened was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Turai may not have allowed assess to her husband, not sure if this is even true, but that does not stop the FEC from going ahead with the next option on the list. No one had seen him for over 70 days meaning the president was AWOL and so NOT PERFORMING. That would have been more than enough grounds to impeach. So, you see, either he would have been removed on health grounds, or for non performance, both by the constitution. So, it would have been a slam dunk only that the FEC DID NOT want to do any of that and it is APPARENT by her own letter that she did not consider those options possibly because she wanted to make sure her loyalty was seen to be intact. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by 006(m): 12:04am On Apr 03, 2010 |
^^^ You must have lived in Aba ![]() What persons made up this Cabal? Do you know the names of the members of the Executive council? You have to have some Names to work with here, and you have to be able to PROVE that the named have access to the power you claim they do. The head of the cabal was Turai and her wishes were being executed in Nigeria by Aondaakaa and the rest of his gang. Who signed appropriation bill? Maybe Turai. The truth have come out that Yar’dua just started to move his hands. What do you call these people that run this stuff without Yar’dua’s consent? I need an answer here. Also I gave you an analogy. Ooohh!!! So, you are saying that the President leaving Nigeria for all this time (remember he has not even cared to show up to his own VP) is ok by you? So, her protecting this man’s mandate, even in his blatant disregard for the constitution and the people, do you believe this move was the best or the nation as well? If yes, then Ok. This stuff is not as easy as it seems. There are a lot of interests involved and what we got now is the best option in my opinion. Even in Israel, when Ariel Sharon was incapacitated, Ehud Olmert acted till election was conducted. In terms of blatant disregard for the constitution, I wouldn’t blame the President because I don’t know his state of health when he was rushed to Saudi Arabia, maybe he could not talk nor write. Well, let’s look at it this way. The Letter which was supposed to authorize the installation of VP as Acting President NEVER ARRIVED. In essence, what happened was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. It’s still subject to debate, but in Law, doctrine of necessity is sometimes used when something was not catered for in the constitution. In this case, there was not provision for when the President could not speak nor write, so they used the BBC interview as a substitute for the letter. Was it right? I don’t know because I’m not a lawyer. Many lawyers have argued both for and against it, so it’s debatable but not absolutely constitutional. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Nobody: 12:29am On Apr 03, 2010 |
006 You can not have a debate with some one who means something else from what they type. Her anger against Dora has nothing to do with her records. She is just angry somebody was brave enough to rock the the boat. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 12:55am On Apr 03, 2010 |
006: Do you have proof of this claim of yours that Turai is the head of your version of the Cabal? Or are you relying on the same rumor mills that have manufactured other stories. Which of her wishes that you are personally aware of did Aondaakaa execute? Do you know who signed the bill? How can the BILL leave Nigeria and get signed without the consent of the Executive branch and the senate? Can you verify the validity of any of the stories you are telling me now? Do you think it is possible for a Bill to be signed without congress or even the senate in America knowing of its signing and who signed it? 006: I never included the word EASY in what I had. I am sure the courts knew it would NOT be easy, even though it was the right thing to do when it set out to put forth an ultimatum such as the one it did. What happened when Ariel Sharon was incapacitated CANNOT be used to explain, in anyway, what happened 2009/2010 in Nigeria. These are two completely different situations. Ariel Sharon found himself in a coma and the nation decided, as a whole, to keep him on as leader. There was NO REPORT that yar adua left the country UNCONSCIOUS or in a RUSH. We do not NEED to CREATE such stories at this point as it is clear he was not unconscious on November 26th, the day he left Nigeria. 006: I don’t believe Doctrine of necessity has anything to do with this. In this particular case, the constitution was and is clear on what is allowed and what is not allowed. The president was able to speak and write before he left the country. Mind you, this is NOT his first time leaving the country on health visits, so if you are trying to argue that he COULD NOT, then I suggest you look into what really took place up until the time he left the country.
I don't know what lawyer would debate that the above is not clear in what it states. The BBC interview? Who used it? Where did you get this information from? In what way can the BBC interview be used for what you are so willing to claim it was? Please provide some link or something to substantiate this claim. Did you listen to the BBC broadcast? The interview DOES NOT have the voice stating the FEC could or should appoint the VP as Acting President. If this was even the case, Why did Dora’s letter come in weeks later demanding a letter from the president still? That lawyers have argued both sides is NO REASON to turn a blind eye to what the constitution says on the issue. I think it is section 145, the only area of the constitution that says anything of the possibility of the appointment of an Acting President, and it states clearly that it is to be done with the permission of the President. The FEC itself confessed that the President had yet to communicate with any of them. So, again, where did the permission come from? Where did the power come from?
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Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by 006(m): 1:10am On Apr 03, 2010 |
mikeansy: I see. |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Kobojunkie: 1:18am On Apr 03, 2010 |
Sigh! @Mikeansy, isn't it dishonest for you to almost ALWAYS claim, whenever you are unable to argue your side of the debate well, that your opponent is JEALOUS/HAS BAD BELLE/ IS DISHONEST etc? Why not come up with something different for once?Why not try debating me in a civil manner instead? I have highlighted my argument and have even consulted the records for you to see, yet you continue to toss it all aside sighting the usual? Won't you ever get tired of this? I mean I can understand you not having anything to continue with, but this BACKBITING/TRYING TO GET EVERYONE ELSE TO SEE YOUR OPPONENT AS THE PROBLEM is getting really old. On most every thread now, you have taken to doing this exact same. Are you not open enough to see what you are doing and how it portrays you as the dishonest debater here? |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by Nobody: 2:25am On Apr 03, 2010 |
I have no interest in a debate where the ultimate objective is to types last |
Re: What Of If Dora Akunyuli Was A Northerner? by jamace(m): 3:15am On Apr 03, 2010 |
I have no interest in a debate where the ultimate objective is to type last ![]() ![]() |
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