Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,209,712 members, 8,006,969 topics. Date: Tuesday, 19 November 2024 at 01:26 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. (24603 Views)
Can I Postpone My Tithe Till Next Payment? / "I Just Increased My Tithe To 30 Percent, Satan Go And Die" - Apostle Suleman. / I Just Gave My Tithe To A Beggar. Was I Wrong? (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by Rebuke: 3:14pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
bolamp: Brother, I am not eternally depending on any man of God to be fed. God's grace, I am growing, though I haven't reached my goal yet but I keep pressing forward ...... On the subject of discussion, I hope yhu know as Christians we all must belong to a local assembly called church, now nt as a religion but as a means of identifying with the body of Christ of which we are admonished not to ever forsake. Hebrews 10:25 If yhu do agree with the above, yhu should know that there must alwys be an apostle or sherparhd over any of such gathering or commission. And if this be true, there must be certain obligations that make us a real member of the commission. Fulfilling not such obligations means yhu are just there but not a bonafide member. Do not also xpect the full benefits that every member in dat commission is xpected to enjoy. If being spiritually grown means we do not need to belong to a local church or have an apostle over us then our Christianity has a lot of questions to answr. Your growth is for yhu to be able to discern wat is right and also be able to teach others Xpecially the unbelievers, the way of Christ - which is our primary call. Bro, any Christian who gives excuses or have reasons for not paying tithe in his local assembly needs to really examine himself.....2Corinthians 13:5 So, the question is, are yhu really in Christ? If yes, what Spirit instructs yhu nt to pay yhur tithe? |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by xest(m): 3:18pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
pauladonis:it does not validate it. If the first priesthood was working there would not have been a second. Wen there is a change of priesthood there should be a change of the law. Jesus is the high priest and he is greater than melchizedek. Mind u if the first covenant was faultless there wouldn't be a second covenant. When God saw the ppls behavior, he said i will make a new covenant with my ppl. Heb 8:6-8 |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by kistone(m): 3:19pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
OyinO:I am happy when people call us All dis name because, its also a supprise to me when i seƩ d pple you call fool. Dumb usually get d best b4 d eye of wise whe wise cary last. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by Amadaz(m): 3:22pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
kistone:i don't get you. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by kistone(m): 3:28pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Diso60090:Remenber that is a lie and i am not live to fufil my parent will but of God, after God my parent . |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by kistone(m): 3:31pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
nairalanduseles:your contribution show no traces of child of God. So i no get ur time |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by thywill18: 3:33pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
simply because you have the understanding of how it work out for you. simply because you have the understanding of how it work out for you. simply because you have the understanding of how it work out for you. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by ollybosieb: 3:37pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
kistone: Who is God ? Where does He reside ? Can you tell us, how your pastor transfer your money to God since you said you're paying through your pastor. Anyway, your money, your choice you don't need to tell us! Don't get me wrong, I believe in God very much, I don't pay tithe but I enjoy His blessings in my life everyday. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by Rebuke: 3:40pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
DavidEsq: Hahahahhah . No where Sir. I will humbly suggest yhu read all the above quoted scripture yhur self again. And when yhu do dis time, reflect on dem very well. I would simply ignored yhur mention bt jxt for d record, read my messg again. Bro, if yhu think yhu have d rght to advise me to stop paying my tithe or anything contrary to paying my tithe to my local assembly then I certainly have d rght to tell yhu to gerreout or go hug a transformer. Now, keep yhur judgement n condemnation coming. Hypocrite! Yhur likes find it fun calling notable men of God all sort of names and insulting dem anyhow here bt find it a sin to say "go n hug transformer." Read again, dis time in capital letters, if yhu are advising me nt to pay my tithe in my place of worship, GO AND HUG A LIVE TRANSFORMER! Cus dahz datz jxt d best yhu can do n itz easier for yhu n yhur likes dan thinking yhur advise will stop me from paying my tithe. Jxt as itz easier for a horse to pass thru d eyes of a niddle..... |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by kistone(m): 3:46pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
xest:Grace is an enablement to do d law easily, not by force, dis will help u to do it with no one forcing you. Dat means grace did not remove law. We are only save by grace |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by kistone(m): 3:52pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
sulakishop:i can see satanic sonship in some of you 1 Like |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by DavidEsq(m): 4:00pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
neutrotoba:So u deliberately used a quotation that has no application to the issue? Now on to Malachi-He was a prophet of God who sought to turn back the isrealites back to God. Hence throughout the 4 chapters of Malachi, he talked about several standards of God that had been breached by the isrealites. God spoke against offering blemished animals by priests (1:6-8, 14), stolen things used as offering (1:13), whimsical divorces (2:14-17), priests misleading the ppl (2:1-9), marrying foreigners and their gods(2:11), making sacrifices and doing evil (2:12) and finally, 3:10- the breach of the priesthood arrangements originally contained in Numbers 18:20-24, 28; Deuteronomy 12:3, for the welfare of the priests. These composite issues were all that the book of malachi is about and as u said, no part of the scriptures is isolated. They are interwoven. Malachi represented God's reminder to the isrealites of their departure from his standards and abandonment of their duties to the priest's sustenance. Now in the face of Malachi 1:6-8, 14, wld u take that scripture d same way u take 3:10? More particularly wen we consider Hebrews 7:12 (u shld read it)? The answer is no. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by FriendofGod: 4:05pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Goldstar: First of all, what I notice is that you give because you want to receive and not because you are a cheerful giver. You give because it works for you. Tithing according to the law makes one give out of compulsion. This is against how Christ wants us to give. When he told the rich man to sell his properties and follow Him, He never promised the man earthly riches in return. My problem with your way of giving is that it is an act of false generosity which would end as soon as it stops working for you. Secondly, accountability is key in the church. In the Early Church, Paul was very careful not to handle money or gifts and trustworthy men were often selected to handle money and gifts. My point is that it is the responsibility of every good Christian to hold their church elders accountable. Holding elders accountable can be beneficial to both the Church and her elders. First, it makes worshippers more participatory and not passive. It also helps the Church leaders to avoid the temptation of embezzling church funds. When leaders are held accountable and rebuked when found wanting, it would help to bring them back into righteousness every time they backslide. Paul asked us to be accountable to one another. Holding somebody accountable is not the same thing as passing judgement on them. We saw accountability in the Early Church. Whenever someone sold his property, he brought it to the feet of the Apostles who immediately distributed it according to everyone's needs. The whole church was carried along on church expenses. The use of each fund were clearly spelt out and men were picked from among the Church to bear the gifts and money to where they were needed. There was transparency. You people should stop displaying this attitude of not caring about how your tithes are used. If you fail to hold your church leaders accountable, how do you want to successfully hold the government accountable? The Church is supposed to be a light to the world. How do you expect to be taken seriously when your pastors are allowed to run the show without being accountable to you the stakeholders 1 Like |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by DavidEsq(m): 4:09pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Rebuke:Since u cldnt find wr I called certain preachers "all sorts of names", we can rightly say dat u are just being desperate to avoid scriptural truths. Besides, I wasn't advising u. Far from it! Lastly between u and me, who really is d hypocrite. Is it u manner of approach is very unbecoming of a true xtian (which u admitted) or I who just seek to point out bible based truths? |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by DozieInc(m): 4:10pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
awesomeJ: |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by SoldierBoy1(m): 4:11pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
DavidEsq:Bro you're going too far By asking if I feel uncorrectable. I said I don't understand cos I was talking about the leading of the Holy Spirit and you also wrote a Bible verse about the Holy Spirit teaching us all things. But the remaining part of ur previous mention made it seem like we Were not on the same page, so I said I didn't understand so as to clarify. Anyways Happy Sunday to you. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by DavidEsq(m): 4:14pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
SoldierBoy1:U see wat I wa saying? If u had read doz scriptures, u wld realise we are on the same page. But u didn't. Hence u felt that way. Sori, I didn't intend taking it far on t uncorrectable ish. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by SoldierBoy1(m): 4:16pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
DavidEsq:Yeah actually I didn't. Anyways sha have a great Sunday. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by DavidEsq(m): 4:19pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
SoldierBoy1:Just negodu. Read dat thing jor, before u "great Sunday" me. . Na so truth dey hard to see? |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by SoldierBoy1(m): 4:41pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
DavidEsq:Ah |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by oluxy(m): 4:50pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
kistone: Yes! Your are pretty correct. Let the people who think you are wrong continue to roar, it cannot change the true assertion of you. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by Nobody: 5:08pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
kistone:Please keep ur stupidity private, Its far better that way. There was No place in the bible where God asked anyone to pay tithes through their pastors. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by pauladonis(m): 5:20pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
xest: You guys have substituted the purpose of salvation for tithing... The new covenant that was made is of salvation, Jesus has become the ultimate sacrifice to replace the rams and blood sacrifices that were meant redeem the Israelites from sin whenever they committed it. Salvation didn't stop the principle (not law) of tithes and offerings... When Jesus was crucified, the curtain of the holy of holies got torn not to stop us from paying tithes but to show us that we can all freely have access to God in close relationship. But despite our new covenant and close relationship with God, we still have people whose calling is like the Levites: They can't work normal jobs, they are in God's service till they die... which shows the need for continuity of tithes and offerings. Also, in the book of Malachi, God commands us to bring our tithes and offerings into His house... in the old testament, that was the temple of worship, in our times it is the church. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by pauladonis(m): 5:40pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
DavidEsq: Yes, it explains the issue of salvation vividly... Chapter 8 summarizes it as... Hebrews 8:10-12 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kjvstudybible.bible.kjv.bibleverses.bibleoff[b] DavidEsq: Yes, it explains the issue of salvation vividly... Chapter 8 summarizes it as... Hebrews 8:10-12 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kjvstudybible.bible.kjv.bibleverses.bibleoff[/b] DavidEsq: Yes, it explains the issue of salvation vividly... Chapter 8 summarizes it as... Hebrews 8:10-12 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. chapter 7 also proves that Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchizedek FOREVER... A priest to whom even the Priesthood of the Levites paid Tithe. Hebrews 7:11-17 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Melchizedek didn't receive Tithe from Abraham under any laws or commandments, The Levites did, and Jesus came out from the tribe of Judah, (the tribe that didn't have anything to do with priesthood, but royalty just like Melchizedek) therefore, the death of Jesus Christ didn't abolish the paying of tithes. It only reinforces the need to pay it not as under any laws or commandments but as a matter of understanding and freewill. I pray that you will understand all I have said and yield yourself to the blessings thereof. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by Lekkidating: 5:45pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Pastor I hail |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by sulakishop(m): 5:58pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by pointblank247(m): 6:22pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
kenny1313:an eye for an eye simply means that you should not punish anybody for more than his offence. it is biblical, and dont forget that no law came from moses but from God. Moses was just God 's mouthpiece |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by pointblank247(m): 6:29pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
olabrad:bros the bible never said that the apostles did not pay thite. no it nerver said so anywhere. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by olabrad: 6:38pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
pointblank247: Don't try to manipulate the truth. If they paid the tithe, the Bible would mention it. Don't forget that the Bible mentioned how they raised fund for the new Christian body. Stop trying to manipulate the word of God just because you want to make your pastor to look right. 1 Like |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by DavidEsq(m): 7:23pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
pauladonis:Is dah so? 1 Like
|
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by Goldstar(m): 7:44pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
[quote author=FriendofGod post=64975501] First of all, what I notice is that you give because you want to receive and not because you are a cheerful giver. You give because it works for you. Tithing according to the law makes one give out of compulsion. This is against how Christ wants us to give. When he told the rich man to sell his properties and follow Him, He never promised the man earthly riches in return. My problem with your way of giving is that it is an act of false generosity which would end as soon as it stops working for you. Please I am not giving out of compulsion. I started paying my tithe about 25years ago and have never regretted doing so. Like I said, nobody told me to tithe. I read it in the bible and decided to obey. If I am not a cheerful giver, God wouldn't be blessing me and He will definitely not honour my prayers whenever I remind Him of my obedience to His word. Please read Malachi again. He said I should bring my tithe and offering into His storehouse and see if He will not rebuke the devourer for my sake. He also said He will open the heavens for me. So, is it out of place to remind God of His promises to me?. Like I said, my dealing is with God and not pastors. I don't tell pastors when I'm paying my tithe or donating to the less privilege. I only deal with my creator. |
Re: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by israelmao(m): 7:52pm On Feb 11, 2018 |
Ten thousand of Daddy Freeze can't stop us! |
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (Reply)
Benson Idahosa's 81st Posthumous Birthday Is Today / Matter And Mind / Some Muslims Will Make Heaven While Some Christians Will Not.
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 122 |