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Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Dirkcoyt: 5:13pm On Feb 15, 2018 |
Nowenuse: you're very right, the popular state creation I heard was that kontagora and zuru will match but kontagora people want the capital in kontagora if eventually a state is created. 2 Likes |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Konquest: 9:48pm On Feb 18, 2018 |
Nowenuse:^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ @Nowenuse Thanks for your clarification on Sen. Philip Aduda. I've heard of his name several times and didn't know he was representing the Gwaris or Gbagyis of Abuja, but now I know. ![]() Uthman Dan Fodio was into mysticism in his days and was of the Torodbe or preacher lineage of the Fulbe who was born in Niger Republic before coming into what is now Northern Nigeria. In the archival materials that I have read... did you know that pagan or non-Muslim Bororo Fulani were also recruited by Dan Fodio as mercenaries to fight in the so-called jihad? The movement was really all about self-interest and less to do with Islamisation otherwise, why did the Fulani attack the Kanuri or Kanem-Borno who were already Moslems for over 800 years before the Dan Fodio so-called jihad? Even the muslim Hausa leaders who were part of the so-called jihad revolted when they saw that the Hausa peasants were being oppressed and their farm produce were being taken forcefully and some Hausa women too were forcefully taken away into marriage. Those Hausa muslim leaders who revolted against the Fulani because the Fulani leaders had deviated from the original mission of the jihad movement were termed apostates by the Fulani leaders. Fulanis are also into mysticism but now there is a better awareness of what is going on and the revolution is gaining momentum. As for Ilorin, did you know that Balogun Alanamu was the MOST POWERFUL man in Ilorin militarily as of the time the British came to Ilorin in the late 1890s. The British Resident of Ilorin had him deported with other powerful Yoruba Generals ["Baloguns" in Yoruba language] and STUPIDLY replaced him with the mixed Yoruba-Fulani Islamic leader who occupied just an ordinary religious title as of then. The British Colonial officials also contributed to this nonsense... But fortunately, there are official Colonial British documents and in Sir. Allan Burn's classic history book: "The History of Nigeria" that clearly state that Ilorin is a Yoruba town. These are sources that I have seen with both of my eyes in the archives and history books! All the best! ![]() 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Konquest: 5:53am On Feb 24, 2018 |
Nowenuse:^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ @Nowenuse Alright, thanks for adding some meat to this post... and answering on behalf of @Sasalite. I actually didn't see this post in my mentions but I'm just noticing it. Yes I found the details of General Murtala Mohammed's Berom father in my organizer as published on Page 10 of THE SUN, March 29, 2003, and the journalist who covered the story was Mariam Aleshinloye Agboola in Jos. The article was entitled: "Murtala Mohammed Is A Birom Man" A gentleman called Bitrus Bot(Zak), the oldest surviving cousin of Gen. Murtala was interviewed by THE SUN. General Murtala was the son of PAM ZATU, a Birom man from DOGON GABAS in Chigwe District in Jos South LGA. Dogon Gabas is a small hamlet in JOS SOUTH LGA. Pam Zatu [Gen Murtala's father] converted to Islam in the same Dogon Gabas where he originally comes from, and which was frowned upon according to Birom customs and traditions. So he had to leave Dogon Gabas for Kano after the conversion to Islam. General Murtala Mohammed confessed to a soldier in his battalion, by the name "DAMU DUNG SHONG DUNG" that he was a Plateau man but he NEVER got to visit before he was assassinated by IRONICALLY another Plateau man [Bukar Dimka] in 1976! Yes Alh. Sabo Bakin Zuwo's parents were of Nupe origin. Alhaji Tanko Yakasai's parents are Jukun as well... first generation Jukuns who migrated to Kano. I saw the live TV interview of the former Old Kano State governor Alh. Sabo Bakin Zuwo in the early 1980s [1983] saying that Kano has the following as MINERALS: Coca Cola, Fanta, Mirinda, Sprite... when he was asked what MINERAL resources Kano has by the TV reporter! ![]() I heard that business mogul Isiaku Rabiu is from Auchi, and that Senetor Rabiu Kwankwaso has a Yoruba origin. I was told by a man who still lives in Kano. I don't know how true this is... But I've read online about the Yarabawan Funtua [Funtua Yorubas] who have lived in Funtua for over 60 years and fully settled into the community as merchants/traders and in other vocations. It's amazing that your said Ibrahim Shekarau the former Kano governor is a Bura man from Borno State. The picture is getting CLEARER NOW to me that the people who seem to have held high positions in Kano are not originally Kano natives! I wonder if Gov. Ganduje too is originally from Kano or is the child of a settler in the non-indigene Muslim Quarters of Fagge in Kano City? Last but not least, it's good to know that you're from Plateau State. While at the FGC for my high school decades back, I had the fortune of having friends from all over Nigeria... and I had classmates from Langtang, Jos, Southern Kaduna, Southern Borno, and more. Great friends they all were! Thanks again for you brilliant responses to all my questions and do have a GREAT year ahead! ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Konquest: 6:31am On Feb 24, 2018 |
sasalite:^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ Biri Jini, Kare Jini! ![]() You and the original/pure blooded Hausa Kanawas represent the REAL triumph of the "Human Spirit" @Sasalite #Kano... Kanawan Daba Victory is certain. All the best! 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Cocolatti(m): 8:21pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
sasalite:@ Sasalite, am happy to know that there's someone like you (Hausa Christian) on this forum cos this JikanBaura fellow and some of his kind have argued with me on another thread and vehemently denied the existence of Hausa Christians. Please don't waste your time and energy on him. I am from Southern Kaduna and have a Hausa christian friend and another as in-law(married my aunt).So I know a lot about the persecution, discrimination and even apartheid treatment meted out by the Hausa muslims against Hausa Christians. I I've known for a very long time that some Hausa muslims like JikanƁaura find it difficult to accommodate the fact that a fellow Hausa identify with Christianity rather than Islam. Hence they always deny the existence of Hausa Christians. |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by JikanBaura(m): 10:35pm On Feb 27, 2018 |
Cocolatti: Who is a bahaushe? A bahaushe is person who ethnicity is hausa, even if you live all your life in Hausaland and speaks only hausa language, wore hausa cloths all your life, Eat hausa food, retain hausa name. You can only be Hausa when your both of your parents are Hausa. You are from southern Kaduna and have hausa cristian friend. Why Kaduna? All hausa from Kaduna knows where their original home is, where their parents /grandparents comes from. Saw many southerners on facebook claiming to have cristian hausa friends from southern kaduna. All i reminded them is Kaduna is not a Hausa states heck not everybody from original hausa states is hausa by tribe. We have hundreds of tribes residing in Hausaland and we hausa knows who they are, They also knows themselves, call your southern Kaduna hausa cristian let him introduce himself here and honestly answer our questions. I don't deny the existence of none muslim hausa but they only make 0.07% or 1% of Hausa people. Hence i never met one and i doubt you had. You are mistaken cocolati as bahaushe ![]() ![]() the 1% (None Muslims Hausa) ![]() To prove he is hausa let's him post his picture ![]() Let him tell us from which hausa States he is from? and his village? His parents state of origin? Among old hausa state and their village? Every Hausa family have profession passed to them from generations to generation. What's his family profession? His father and mothers inherited professions/occupation? who currently amongst His relatives is muslim? Every Hausa has a family name, What's his family name? (Family name) and his mother's family name? Is he and his parents later Christian convert? When did him or his parents accept Christianity as faith? Is he or his parents pagans before Christianity or were they muslims? His age? Is he married, if yes is his wife bahausa or not? He needs more than the (capability to write in hausa) as his prove he's Bahaushe (Bahaushen jinsi) and not a gamagarin bahaushe (hausa by language) Let him do us a favor by posting his pictures(3) and answer our questions. |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Cocolatti(m): 9:34am On Feb 28, 2018 |
JikanBaura:You are not from Kaduna State and you are also not conversant with Hausa history, in fact I believe you are not a Hausa because if you are you will know that the present Kaduna State is not 100% hausa but the Hausa kingdom of zazzau(zaria) is located in present Kaduna State. Also I didn't say that my hausa christian friend and in-law are from southern Kaduna. The friend am referring to is hausa from Makarfi LGA of Kaduna which is close to kano and my in-law is also hausa from Tsafe LGA in Zamfara State and both are Christians. Again you are saying that sasalite should post pictures and personal profile to prove that he is Hausa? Me think you also need to do same and also give us your hausa ancestry and mention your fore father's that converted to Islam because the Hausa originally were neither christian nor muslims. finally, am not even surprised that you are trying to distort history and fact because of religious sentiment. The existence of Hausa Christians is a fact. Your claim not to have met one will not change this fact. 1 Like |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 8:20am On Mar 15, 2018 |
sasalite: Pure blooded Hausa? ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 8:24am On Mar 15, 2018 |
Cocolatti: He has already done that on this forum even though he doesn't have to. From the way a person speaks I can filter a true scion of bayajidda from a fraud. Sasalite is obviously some middlebeltan fraud with fantasies of Hausa ancestry. You meet them all over the place. They will tell you one ancestor or the other of theirs is Hausa using one funny fairytale or the other to justify. ![]() Why the inferiority complex? I have no idea. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by urahara(m): 12:34pm On Mar 20, 2018 |
engrchykae: Wooow At the last sentence |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Nobody: 9:56pm On Mar 20, 2018 |
engrchykae: Emirs today are basically less powerful than a state governor though i obviously feel it shouldnt be that way. If it were up to me i would scrape the governors office and revert back to a monarchial system with emirs in charge of their emirates. Imams are not chosen by ethnicity but the most famous imams in the north are of various ethnic extractions including kanuri hausa and of course fulani. Ethnicity does not count into an imams fellowship, his charisma does. For instance, the most influential in recent times sheikh jafar adam is a mixture of all three and abubakar gumi was not fulani as far as i know. Economic power in most hausa states as far as i know belongs to hausas because most of the most prominent business men in these states are hausas. Case and point, Dangote, sayyu dantata and their grand father dantata before them who was also the richest man in west africa. Plus isyaka rabiu. As a matter of fact politics has never been a concern of hausa people, we tend to focus more on business. I dont even know shekaraus ethnicity for sure and i am from kano state, he might not even be hausa for your information. I didnt know kwankwaso or ganduje were fulani until recently but if what you're saying is true then a hausa man floored a sitting fulani governor in kwankwaso a few years back. The feudal system in the past means that in the old generation the educated ones are fulani and hence their presence in the political sphere. The only problem would be if a hausa man isnt voted in kano because he is hausa which has never been and can never be the case. We have never voted governors based on ethnicity, especially when its between hausa and fulani or even kanuri. The most important thing now is to educate the next generation and to get the right people into office. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Ayobami7(m): 12:29pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
this is my comment |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by JikanBaura(m): 1:49pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
Sorry bro but we hausa are not suiting in - Fulani are our brothers and we don't problem with having them as our kings , emirs, sultan and president. You should know better “like the other dude said" don't involve us deal with your problem. 1 Like |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by JikanBaura(m): 2:03pm On Nov 11, 2018 |
HomeOfMe: My sister we don't want to label fulani not because we despise Fulani but becuz we are not them. I doubted you will want to be called white or chinise or ijaw when you clearly not them. Nobody want to be called other than what he is. Fulani also don't want to be called hausa either. You post add nothing. 1 Like |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Mahman: 2:10am On Mar 27, 2020 |
Please, by what term do the Yorubas designate the Kanuris? To note: "Kannike" is a minority ethnic group from ilorin Kwara State. "Kannike" are Yoruba with mixture of fulani. 1 Like |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by adecz: 5:51pm On Mar 28, 2020 |
, Surprisingly, this descendant of Afonja didn't mention how the Fulani cornered their ancestor on the streets of Ilorin & murdered him like a mad dog with over twenty arrows piercing his body. So long as Hausa can not be Emir in Hausaland, Yoruba can never smell emirship in Ilorin unless they are prepared to fight a very bloody fight.. The Fulani succeeded in turning the Hausa into a people without any cultural heritage, while the Fulani & bororo are left to practice their own culture.. But they should know that, Jagaba will not be on their side |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Konquest: 6:22am On Feb 16 |
Konquest:Bump. PG 7 of 12 |
Re: Plan To Install Yoruba Oba In Ilorin Not Over- Afonja Descendant by Konquest: 7:01am On Feb 16 |
Nowenuse:Bump. |
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