kkkp:
I saw my tribe on the poster. These Igbos are mad!

BininKingdom:



Are you Isoko, Urhobo or Ijo
Why do you want to take poison for another person?

BiafraIShere:
I have carefully read all the contributions by all and sundry, and I must add that such healthy debate on whether Biafra should be an exclusively Igbo or Igboid nation comprising of all Igbo speaking communities in the SE, SS and elsewhere or if the new nation we are aspiring for should include the other minorities of SS or elsewhere. However, I must add at this juncture that there is hardly any country that is 100% homogeneous ethnic wise. Biafra of Igbos alone will be perfect but also, Biafra comprising of our neighbors will equally be good only if certain things are gotten right first and these factors includes
1. Are these minority tribes passionate about Biafra the same way Igbos are?
2. There is a constant fear of Igbo domination by these disparate groups and these has led to unnecessary hate and suspicion against the Igbos domiciled in their places.
3 This is similar to factor two above, Igbos alone will comprise over 60% of the population of Biafra, now add that to the enterprising, hardworking and aggressive nature of Igbos, don't you think these people will start crying of marginalization and domination irrespective of whether Biafra is made to be the most free country in the world? Or are we going to allow the same Quota system that ruined Nigeria to take place in Biafra so that the minorities won't cry of domination?
4. How are we going to resolve the Ijaw vs Itshekiri fight in Warri? This would certainly be a hotspot of potential violence.
5. Where would the capital be? P.H, Enugu or Owerri?
6. Based on population & democracy, Igbos will rule forever and the fears of the minorities of being dominated will be justified, how do we reconcile this?
7. If we chose to make Biafra an only Igbo affair, how do we reconcile the status of P.H? Parts of P.H is owned by Ikwere-Igbo while others like Ogoni and kalabari also have stakes, so do we carve P.H or abandon the city?

I believe in Biafra because I know that Nigeria has absolutely no future and will forever remain hopeless but we must be careful on the Biafra we want.

Please l need answers to my questions above.

benben1000:


Those people claiming SS against Biafraa here on Nairaland are afonjas. No normal SS person will be against Biafraa considering after 50 yrs of being deceived.

fratermathy:


Just ignore their delusions. They'll sit at Umuahia and Afikpo and concoct all sorts of rubbish. Wetin concern Urhobo concern Biafra? Wetin concern Itsekiri concern Igbo?

These dudes have not learnt yet.

fratermathy:


The trio have already said, countless of times, that they aren't interested. When will you guys get the message?

I thought this was a thing of the past. Some of you are just silly trouble makers.

uckennety:
Each time i see biafran map and i see isoko,urhobo ,ijaw and ogoni in it

I feel like taking poison

fratermathy:


I am from the SS [s]and I am 100% against any Biafra where Igbos alone will be the majority in the midst of numerous minorities.

However, I support a Biafra that is 100% Igbo. You have the freedom to decide your future as an ethnic nation.[/s]

hammer6F:


TRASH!

U DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE U ARE FROM. LOST CAUSE!

YOUR NOT EVEN FIT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF, U WANT TO SPEAK FOR WHO?

fratermathy:
[s]

I am from the SS and I am 100% against any Biafra where Igbos alone will be the majority in the midst of numerous minorities.

However, I support a Biafra that is 100% Igbo. You have the freedom to decide your future as an ethnic nation.[/s]

hammer6F:


TRASH!

U DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE U ARE FROM. LOST CAUSE!

YOUR NOT EVEN FIT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF, U WANT TO SPEAK FOR WHO?

BininKingdom:



Are you Isoko, Urhobo or Ijo
Why do you want to take poison for another person?

fratermathy:


Just ignore their delusions. They'll sit at Umuahia and Afikpo and concoct all sorts of rubbish. Wetin concern Urhobo concern Biafra? Wetin concern Itsekiri concern Igbo?

These dudes have not learnt yet.

BiafraIShere:
I have carefully read all the contributions by all and sundry, and I must add that such healthy debate on whether Biafra should be an exclusively Igbo or Igboid nation comprising of all Igbo speaking communities in the SE, SS and elsewhere or if the new nation we are aspiring for should include the other minorities of SS or elsewhere. However, I must add at this juncture that there is hardly any country that is 100% homogeneous ethnic wise. Biafra of Igbos alone will be perfect but also, Biafra comprising of our neighbors will equally be good only if certain things are gotten right first and these factors includes
1. Are these minority tribes passionate about Biafra the same way Igbos are?
2. There is a constant fear of Igbo domination by these disparate groups and these has led to unnecessary hate and suspicion against the Igbos domiciled in their places.
3 This is similar to factor two above, Igbos alone will comprise over 60% of the population of Biafra, now add that to the enterprising, hardworking and aggressive nature of Igbos, don't you think these people will start crying of marginalization and domination irrespective of whether Biafra is made to be the most free country in the world? Or are we going to allow the same Quota system that ruined Nigeria to take place in Biafra so that the minorities won't cry of domination?
4. How are we going to resolve the Ijaw vs Itshekiri fight in Warri? This would certainly be a hotspot of potential violence.
5. Where would the capital be? P.H, Enugu or Owerri?
6. Based on population & democracy, Igbos will rule forever and the fears of the minorities of being dominated will be justified, how do we reconcile this?
7. If we chose to make Biafra an only Igbo affair, how do we reconcile the status of P.H? Parts of P.H is owned by Ikwere-Igbo while others like Ogoni and kalabari also have stakes, so do we carve P.H or abandon the city?

I believe in Biafra because I know that Nigeria has absolutely no future and will forever remain hopeless but we must be careful on the Biafra we want.

Please l need answers to my questions above.

gidgiddy:


Itsekiri and Urhobo share a state with a huge number of Igbos/Igboids/ Ika-Igbos collectively knows as Anioma or sometimes, Delta Igbos. For that fact alone, Delta state would be within the range of those who want a referendum.

Or did you think that Igbos are going to let go of 1 inch of their land just because Urhobos are in Delta state?

fratermathy:


Errm.. What's the business of Itsekiri/Urhobo/Isoko with Anioma? Do we share the same homelands? Delta State is an artificial construct of IBB. We all know where our territories start and end in the so-called Delta State.

So feel free to take your kin and kith anywhere they are. We are not related or connected with you guys. Don't push your delusions too far. Itsekiris do not even share common borders with Igbos whatsoever. Urhobos have no business with Biafra in any form. If the Anioma people want to follow you guys, by all means, let them do so. Our lands do not interlap.

GUMY:
Can you see, by denying the relevancy of history, you throw your people, our people into the hands of landgrabbers from the east and west. Instead of uniting with your brothers from your only precolonial kingdom, you have chosen to bicker with them and deny your identity. Now how are you going to justify sharing land with Anioma ? The "artificial" claim with do.

fratermathy:


Urhobos were never under the Oba of Benin at any point in time. In fact, Urhobos left Benin/Udo before Ekalederhan (Izoduwa) was exiled to Ife.

Urhobos do not share land with Anioma. The Aniomas have their well defined territories and the Urhobos/Isokos have theirs. That we all share the "artificially created" Delta State doesn't mean we don't know where the lines are.

Keep your nose in your Bini/Esan/Owan/etc affairs. Don't attempt to overstretch our common socio-linguistic heritage. That is all there is.

sekxyqueen:

abokki..using igbo moniker won't save your dullardeen brain,,

yseke grow up

diamondsword:
only those who haven't seen biafra nation as proposed by nnamdi kanu have those unfounded fear of igbo domination. According to the proposal biafra shall be a united nation with parliamentary government and every constituent nation shall has it own national government with full control of her people destiny election of head of state shall take place in the house of deputy which shall be madeup of traditional rulers in biafraland and the leader of party with majority in the parliament become the prime minister now tell me how igbo will dominate in such a free state

fratermathy:


Errm.. What's the business of Itsekiri/Urhobo/Isoko with Anioma? Do we share the same homelands? Delta State is an artificial construct of IBB. We all know where our territories start and end in the so-called Delta State.

So feel free to take your kin and kith anywhere they are. We are not related or connected with you guys. Don't push your delusions too far. Itsekiris do not even share common borders with Igbos whatsoever. Urhobos have no business with Biafra in any form. If the Anioma people want to follow you guys, by all means, let them do so. Our lands do not interlap.

GUMY:
I hope you are aware that Oduduwa, Ekalederhan, Oranmiyan and so on are mere myths.
So this shows your tales to be mere rubbish.
Where are you getting this poo from ?
What is the title of the Oba of Benin ?

gidgiddy:


And that is why you should support the referendum, it is the only way to seperate the Rice from Garri. Should there be a referendum in Delta state, and Anioma vote according to my sentiments, and Urhobo/Isoko/Itsekiri vote according to your sentments, Delta state may end up being just Urohbo/Isoko. You people can then continue with Delta state, we get our people out, everybody gets what they want.

fratermathy:


Then leave us to our myths and face your historically documented history, probably documented by the scribes of ancient Benin!

Face your Oba and Bini people. If you have hegemonic interests, start from the Esans, Owans, Afemais, Akokos, etc. Leave us out of your powerlust, delusions of grandeur and expansionist tendencies.

fratermathy:


You seem to be dim-witted or merely pretending to be. Have the Urhobos/Isokos/Itsekiris asked for any referendum? You think you can decide our future? As what na?

You don't need us to get your people out. Get them out without us. We are not dragging them with you or are we?

GUMY:
Are you aware that europeans who could write had been visiting our ancestors since the 1400s ?
Surely you must know that those europeans drew maps and wrote notes ?
Surely you must know that these documents are available in european libraries today ?
Let me give you a quick catch up class:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IlUMUGUorw


Some ancient maps of Benin Kingdom:

This one dates to around 1699:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595525w/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595527q/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

Stop with the talk of hegemony, you are only fooling yourself. We are the same people, deal with it !
And still, you haven't told me the title of the Oba of Benin.

gidgiddy:


And where does Anioma figure in that equation? If you people have no problem letting Anioma go then I see no problem with letting a referendum happen in Delta state. A referenfum must be held in Delta state. We are not leaving one inch of Delta Igbo land behind!

gidgiddy:


Itsekiri and Urhobo share a state with a huge number of Igbos/Igboids/ Ika-Igbos collectively knows as Anioma or sometimes, Delta Igbos. For that fact alone, Delta state would be within the range of those who want a referendum.

Or did you think that Igbos are going to let go of 1 inch of their land just because Urhobos are in Delta state?