TheKingIsHere:

Hmm. I have learnt something from your post.

Please permit me to ask 2 questions

1. If the yorubas don't take the sultan of sokoto seriously then why do they wait for him to declare that he has seen the moon before any muslim in SW can celebrate salah?

2. Who is the Islamic superior leader for muslims in SW if not the sultan of sokoto?

TheKingIsHere:

The only way the hausas will come to their senses is when Nigeria breaks up, that's why the fulanis don't want to hear anything like referendum or restructuring.

It exposes them that they are not true owners of the lands they occupy

Nowenuse:


Islam spread through trade in Kogi & majority of Nasarawa state, not because of conquest. This is why there is no single emirate in the entire Kogi state!

My hometown in Plateau state is 50% muslim. This did not happen through conquest, but through trade of my people with Bauchi tribes. This is why we have no business with any emirate!

Odingo1:

The north believe that they are the one that brought Islam to yorubas by force, they refer yoruba muslims as fake because they refuse to accept islam as the northerners did, they said that yoruba muslims mix islam with idol worshiping and allow females to enter their mosque.

Philistine:

How are Yoruba's serving the caliphate politically? Most of u igbos are just naturally dumb, bunch of intelligent set of people

AlBaqir:


# First, politically Sultan is the head of Nigerian Muslims meaning his command is supposed to be followed by all.

# Second, the Islamic council of Muslim Affairs (or whatever they call it) has a Yoruba man as their general secretary while Sultan is the President. There are times in this sighting of moon for the beginning of Ramadan or breaking of fast for Eid, where the Sultan and the secretary has been at loggerheads.

# Third, the team of moon sighting has always comprising many known Yoruba scholars. Sheik Habib Adam is a known figure. This team don't always agree; thereby, atimes, their unresolved issues divide the Muslims whereby northern Muslims will start Ramadan today or break fast today, and their western brothers the following day. The only "western state" that seems to follow the Sultan come rain come shine is Ilorin knowing their Emir to be Fulani.

NB: Why this differences and unresolved issues pertaining to moon sightings? The truth is sometimes, because of Sultanate allegiance to the Saudis, they hook, line and sinker follow the Saudis in declarations. This where sensible scholars usually Yorubas (sheik Habib, Prof. Ishaq Oloyede et al) used to oppose them vigorously. This is an example:
www.nairaland.com/1830905/moon-not-possible-seen-anywhere

The question has always been why should we follow Saudi when there is time and geographical differences between us etc etc.


# Geographically, Northern part of Nigeria is expected to quickly sight the new moon at its tender age; hence, the "dependence" on them to break the news. Yet, like I said earlier there are committee of scholars across Nigeria that oversee such affair.


# The fact however remains that Yoruba don't just follow and will never follow without glaring proof, especially today that technology has helped out.

Nowenuse:


Why are you just saying nonsense here?

Can you show any proof when the Tivs or Jukuns were paying homage to any caliphate or emirate?

Benue & Taraba people defended the north because they believed in One Arewa in the past. Their fathers were deceived into believing in a united north which the British forced them into, not because they were ever under any emirate....


Fulanis took control of Ilorin as well as Nupe land through deception and internally. It was never a full scale invasion war and conquest...

Pls, educate yourself with more history to avoid embarrassing yourself in public.

ballerin:
True. The fear of potential rebellion scares the shiit outta them.

TheKingIsHere:


2. Who is the Islamic superior leader for muslims in SW if not the sultan of sokoto?

Nowenuse:


Benue people were not the only ones in the middlebelt to resist jihad and defeat the fulanis, let alone the entire present day Nigeria.

Jukun people (of Wukari, Taraba south) also defeated and resisted the fulani caliphate.
Plateau & Southern Kaduna people also did.

Igalas also did.

Numan confederacy of Adamawa south also resisted the fulanis.

In the South, Yoruba people defeated the fulani jihadists at Ogbomosho. Edo people defeated the jihadists at Esan axis.

Odingo1:

But all northern muslims are obedient to fulani course whether they are conquered or converted, that submission is have trickled into yoruba muslims.

DerideGull:

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All Tiv lands were under the authority of the emirates, Bauchi or Adamawa.

DerideGull:


At what point did they believe in One Arewa? Was it after the NPC led by Ahmadu Bello dealt a good number on Tiv, Igala and Idoma who supported UMBC under J. S. Tarka? It was Nigerian soldiers led by a son of Birom that killed many Tiv, Igala and Idoma people during the 1964 riot.

Nowenuse:


Yes, you have a very strong point here.

Even among the northern muslims, support to fulani course varies. The northerly you go it increases and the southerly you go it decreases.

For instance, Igala muslims are the least sympathetic to Fulani course,
followed by Ebira & Nasarawa muslims,
followed by Nupe & ilorin muslims (these ones are quite close to the fulanis and can even die for fulani cause).
Then you reach the Plateau indigene muslims, Taraba & Adamawa, Gombe tribal muslims e. t. c.( These ones are heavily dropping their language and cultures for Hausa and want to be like Hausa fulanis).

The worst of all are the Bauchi muslims. They have been completely hausanized and overrun by fulanis. They have lost their ethnic identity like the Hausas and are as worse as Hausas.


Fulani brought their sharia madness to the middlebelt and yoruba muslims in 2001. .... All yoruba muslim leaders rejected.
The governors of kogi, Nasarawa & Kwara who were muslims also rejected it..... Only Niger state accepted

The ones who rejected it still valued their culture and cultural brotherhood more than islam. Only Niger state people valued islam more.

This tells you that obedience to Fulani cause varies widely among northern muslims, but yes, all Nigerian muslims including Southern muslims (yoruba & Auchi, Edo) are all not necessarily obedient, but sympathetic to Fulani cause.

Nowenuse:


Yes, you have a very strong point here.

Even among the northern muslims, support to fulani course varies. The northerly you go it increases and the southerly you go it decreases.

For instance, Igala muslims are the least sympathetic to Fulani course,
followed by Ebira & Nasarawa muslims,
followed by Nupe & ilorin muslims (these ones are quite close to the fulanis and can even die for fulani cause).
Then you reach the Plateau indigene muslims, Taraba & Adamawa, Gombe tribal muslims e. t. c.( These ones are heavily dropping their language and cultures for Hausa and want to be like Hausa fulanis).

The worst of all are the Bauchi muslims. They have been completely hausanized and overrun by fulanis. They have lost their ethnic identity like the Hausas and are as worse as Hausas.


Fulani brought their sharia madness to the middlebelt and yoruba muslims in 2001. .... All yoruba muslim leaders rejected.
The governors of kogi, Nasarawa & Kwara who were muslims also rejected it..... Only Niger state accepted

The ones who rejected it still valued their culture and cultural brotherhood more than islam. Only Niger state people valued islam more.

This tells you that obedience to Fulani cause varies widely among northern muslims, but yes, all Nigerian muslims including Southern muslims (yoruba & Auchi, Edo) are all not necessarily obedient, but sympathetic to Fulani cause.

AlBaqir:


# Sorry, I didn't address this second question.

The truth is since the death of Sheik Adam Abdullah al-Ilory and probably Sheik Kamaldeen al-Adaby, and Sheik Abdul Baqi of Iwo, the Yoruba community seems don't have a unified Muslim leader.

# Today, what we have is Muslim community in every state, local government, and districts. This is connected to MURIC (Muslim human right group headed by Oloyede) that oversee the social and political affairs.

# As per spiritual affairs, Yorubas are free following whoever they choose to follow.

DerideGull:


Where did you get this nonsensical crap? Tiv did not put up any resistance to the Jihadists and Dan Fodio did not fight any war. The wars of conquer and expansionism were fought by Dan Fodio's son and younger brother.

Nowenuse:


Don't forget that the Nupe/Fulani jihadists conquered and annexed Auchi people (who were also a branch of Edo people).....
I think it was shameful that the great Bini kingdom allowed that.

Benwems:

Auchi was never part of the bini land same way esan is not bini and there was no presence if the Binis' in Auchi as at the time of the jihad and even now. Go back a read your history books and get facts and reality right.

Philistine:

How are Yoruba's serving the caliphate politically? Most of u igbos are just naturally dumb, bunch of unintelligent set of people

FakoMaybach1:
@seun @lalasticlala you guys need to close this topic....This is not the right time to spread this history about fulani domination. These write ups usually fan the embers of war and Nigeria will end up like Rwanda

It is a matter of time before hatred of fulani spills into the streets in the south and blood starts to flow....The past is gone, we only need information relevant to us and this is not part of them

You might not agree with me, but no one will read this without bearing hatred for the fulani tribe, if people are interested in history they can find and read up on this part of Nigerian history

@seun do not promote hate

Philistine:

How are Yoruba's serving the caliphate politically? Most of u igbos are just naturally dumb, bunch of unintelligent set of people

Naaseer01:
lies lies lies

Dan fodio fought Hausa rulers only when they attack him first (for self defence)in order to stop him from preaching the true teaching of Islam which was diluted at that time by the Hausa King with Idol worshiping like tsumburbura and barbushe idols in kano. and that's is what Dan fodio fought against. he was attacked, his students killed, their wealth burnt down by those rulers just because he preachea against mixing Islam with idol worshiping. and that is when he took the action of self defence.

he did not fight to rule totally but to ensure true teaching of Islam and fought against those tyrant rulers of that time who are dictators and oppressors of their subject. that is even why he get support of local Hausa people there.

Note : any other reason you would get is fabricated by the enemies of Islam. if you want to know shehu Dan fodio , go and read his book and what he teach. and you will know the true reason why he fought those rulers. and yes the entire nigerian Muslims are happy he did because if not we would not find a true Islam as we did today

omosuper:
What really confuses me is when all muslims agreed that our Amir in Nigeria should always come from the house of this same Dan Fodio but reverse is the case with Al-ul-Biath.

Adek15:
what I don't understand is how does usman Dan fodio fighting hausa kingdoms can be referred to as JIHAD when the religion practiced in that kingdom is Islam?

Fineman87:


The fulanis are not dominating nigeria. How many fulanis have ruled nigeria. Obasanjo, jonathan, azikiwe, shonekan, aguiyi ironsi, orizu nwafor etc all held sway in nigeria at certain times. Please stop misleading the world with your ignorant trash.

Fineman87:


Stop peddling falshood here. The world is reading this. The fulani never defeated biafra/igbos. The nigeria civil war was a national war. All ethnic groups fought that war. Some igbos even fought for nigeria's unity. Please stop writig rubbish here. There seems to be too many semi-literate zombies here, exposing their mental defeat and subservience to illiterate fulanis.

Mind yoy, the fulanis never attacked igbo territory back in the days of their madness. Go and ask them why? They know its only igbos they cant mess with. They know.

Kingkamba:
bastards abokis

Fineman87:
Stupid thread and some gullible posters. Senseless thread called- The creation of fulani caliphate. I am yet to understand the value of the thread other than to mentally and psychologically weaken other nigerian tribes.

The last time John Kerry visited Nigeria, he went to the north. He shunned ths whole south and middle belt. Our leaders and CAN screamed to high heavens. That is the recognition the world now accords tbe illiterate northerners.

But why? It is because of threads like this and its littany of illiterate posters; all of whom are southerners or middle belters and who inadvertently aid the rise of fulanis. Stupid country with useless people.

TheKingIsHere:

Hmm. I have learnt something from your post.

Please permit me to ask 2 questions

1. If the yorubas don't take the sultan of sokoto seriously then why do they wait for him to declare that he has seen the moon before any muslim in SW can celebrate salah?

2. Who is the Islamic superior leader for muslims in SW if not the sultan of sokoto?