Emmanystone:

Mia Caro, Christians didn't come up with the idea of no sex during Fasting and prayer, the Holy Spirit did.

Emmanystone:
Calling in MuttleyLaff, Ronpet777, Butterflylion/ Butterfly1on, Budaatum Ishilove my babe.

bloodofthelamb:

Holy Spirit through Paul advice us to pray without ceasing, does it now mean that married couples should abstain from sex without ceasing?

bloodofthelamb:

Sex is a beautiful gift from God to couples which is meant to be enjoyed with love and respect from both sides... Engaging in it does not make one more holy, neither is one more holy by staying away from it.

bloodofthelamb:

It is a matter of understanding... That is why we have to seek for understanding, like we searching for gold.

budaatum:

You said Paul came up with it actually.

budaatum:

And if it is correct, that Paul did say so, it must be known that Paul got quite a lot of stuff from non-Christian sources and not just from the Holy Spirit. Though, I don't know if he wrote this or where he got it from.

budaatum:

Could you provide biblical references please.

Emmanystone:

I totally disagreed, saying everything about sex is Holy. A very deep ordinance that goes far beyond man. I said, sex is worship. When a man and his wife are engage in sex, God sees them just the way He sees them at the alter worshipping Him.

WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE IN OTHER RELIGIONS?
WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WITHOUT RELIGION?

WHAT ABOUT ANIMALS THAT HAVE SEX?


IT'S SELFISHNESS TO ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING IN THIS GALAXY MUST REVOLVE AROUND YOUR RELIGION.

Emmanystone:

Sir, i didn't say Paul came up with it, i said 'The Holy Spirit through Paul' said...

Sarassin:


To be fair, she did say the proposition was at the instigation of a friend.

Emmanystone:
Have you, as a Christian ever wondered why the Holy Spirit through Apostle Paul said we should abstain from sex during fasting and prayer?

MuttleyLaff:
Please for the benefit of others especially invited guests,
reproduce here the passage with its chapter and verse
that states that a man should not have sex with his wife or vice versa

budaatum:
You said Paul came up with it actually.
And if it is correct, that Paul did say so, it must be known that Paul got quite a lot of stuff from non-Christian sources and not just from the Holy Spirit. Though, I don't know if he wrote this or where he got it from

Emmanystone:
Sir, i didn't say Paul came up with it, i said 'The Holy Spirit through Paul' said...

Emmanystone:
Let's discuss Paul sources some other time, but today is about Sex during Fasting and Prayer.

budaatum:
Could you provide biblical references please.

Emmanystone:
Yes sir.
1 Corinthians:7:5
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer;
and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

Ishilove:

Was Paul under the influence of the holy spirit when he said exhorted that we should abstain from sex while fasting? The act of fasting is the denial of that which gives pleasure and sustenance to oneself. Self denial and sacrifice. Why in God's name is sex within marriage carnal?

US Christians just love chasing shadows where there are none

MuttleyLaff:
Please for the benefit of others especially invited guests,
reproduce here the passage with its chapter and verse
that states that a man should not have sex with his wife or vice versa

My thoughts are, I know for myself, that after burrowing, I just want to instantly roll over and sleep
Thank God for prolactin, oxytocin and melatonin
So, if I am fasting and praying, it will be an unwise move for me to consider poking the nest

I disconcur that what you posted is completely unrelated
It is so pertinent to the subject title
If the good Lord commanded, "Go forth and multiply" then sex in marriage cant be carnal

Ishilove:
Was Paul under the influence of the holy spirit when he said exhorted that we should abstain from sex while fasting?
The act of fasting is the denial of that which gives pleasure and sustenance to oneself. Self denial and sacrifice.
Why in God's name is sex within marriage carnal?

US Christians just love chasing shadows where there are none

Emmanystone:
Yes, Paul spoke the mind of God when he said we shd abstain from sex during fasting and prayer. There's a very good reason for that.

MuttleyLaff:
He is. He is in stealth

Sarassin:


Really, well Cara Mia what do I know?

Emmanystone:
Really?
Mehn, that guy been dey scatter my head wen i come here newly. Him and Viaro

Pls Nuclearboy, speak up.

MuttleyLaff:


Dont fret
She'll soon reproduce here the passage with its chapter and verse
that states that a man should not have sex with his wife or vice versa
(i.e. the incontrovertible proof about no sex during fasting and prayer)

Mujtahida:

The holy Spirit did not. Millenia before Christianity, it was known in various Buddhist and Hindu sects that men should abstain from sex during periods of spiritual exercises like fasting. In Yoga a man can experience orgasm without ejaculation. Abi Holy Spirit dey Buddhism?

Sarassin:


Hmmm...@bolded I bet Mrs Mutters is none too pleased with that!

Emmanystone:
I forgot to.place it in the Op, but itst there now.

Mujtahida:

The essence of the seed is ten times greater than the essence of the blood. There's sperm in every cell in a man's body. The sperm is called the life force. It is believed that keeping it in the body keeps a man spiritually sharp. It enhances spiritual sensitivity and alertness.

Emmanystone:
The bolded .

If sex in marriage is not Carnal why shouldn't you have it during fasting, not just when you are praying.
Prayer is done always, but fasting is not. Why abstain from sex during fasting?

Ubenedictus:
I wasn't invited but I'll drop my 2 cent.

sex in marriage is holy and covenantal, it is the God given means of sustaining and renewing the marriage covenant, it is both desired and commanded by God.


in another sense it is"profane" in the same sense that marriage is profane and eating is profane... they are all primarily engineered towards our physical life...they are earthly realities that will not follow us to heaven... it is only in this sense that married sex can be call profane or earthly.


a time for fasting is a time for making sacrifices, its stands to reason that even as a beneficial thing like food is put aside so also a beneficial thing like sex can be put aside. food isn't wrong or carnal...it is just sacrificed during fasting so too sex.


2ndly the apostles were Jews, the Jewish priest kept away from sex during their times of service, during fasting etc, the Christians took similar practices... if you read up the early Christians you'll see the minister avoid sex around the time of his service.... these were sacrifices people made to put themselves in a spiritual mood, food is not unclean in fact the Bible says the marriage bed is honorable, yet fasting or abstinences means giving up something good and right and beneficial in other to stave the body and energize the spirit.


there is nothing wrong with married sex or food,they are just earthly realities so people are encouraged to give them up for a time to pursue spiritual things.


if you don't understand this then I'll suggest you recheck and reexamine why you fast, does that mean food is wrong?

Ronpet777:


I want to believe it is more of d mind thing than anything else. Sex in marriage is a very holy act yet, i do believe the essence of fasting is strict self denial of pleasurable things. In as much as d act is holy we all agree it is gratifying. Hence, to keep us focused on waiting on God for whatever reason d fasting was meant. We r in a better state of mind to do away with it temporarily.
My thought though.
Emmanystone, how do u see this thought?

CAPSLOCKED:



WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE IN OTHER RELIGIONS?
WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WITHOUT RELIGION?

WHAT ABOUT ANIMALS THAT HAVE SEX?


IT'S SELFISHNESS TO ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING IN THIS GALAXY MUST REVOLVE AROUND YOUR RELIGION.

Emmanystone:
Wow, we have the same mind on this.
This exact my understanding when He asked me to define and explanation FASTING. BUT He gave me and aswere i never expected.

Thanks very much for your thought.

And, the thread is open to all.

Emmanystone:

Pleasure, Pleasure, Pleasure. Sex is Pkeasurable yes, and our father wantd us to enjoy it plenty, but it's not about the pleasure or the abscence of it o.

MuttleyLaff:

budaatum wouldnt have to ask, if you had done the needful, like I earlier requested

MuttleyLaff:

What is the difference between having sex and making love?

MuttleyLaff:

besides, 1 Corinthians 7 and the chapter 6 before it wasnt even about sexual abstinence because of fasting and prayer
Sexual abstinence for sake of fasting and prayer, was thought out by Paul, in response to the Corinthians asking him about whether it is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman
Paul improved the question, by answering other areas of intimacy with women

MuttleyLaff:

Reading 1 Corinthians:7:5 in isolation, and trying to make a doctrine out of it, is just being careless

MuttleyLaff:
After how many reminders. I lost count

MuttleyLaff:
Do you at all know what prolactin, oxytocin and melatonin are?
If yes, explain what they do, what their effect is on men after having sex and/or making love
Imagine it on the man's fasting and praying pre-plan

Emmanystone:

Pleasure, Pleasure, Pleasure. Sex is Pkeasurable yes, and our father wantd us to enjoy it plenty, but it's not about the pleasure or the abscence of it o.

Emmanystone:

So, for this reason, no sex?

Emmanystone:
It was very tiring after the time with the kids yesterday, from there i went to Church, i got home tired, opened the thread and slept off.
I saw this tbis morning and have included it in the Op
Thanks bro
Oh Wow. They are worlds apart.
Sex is an excerxise perdormed by two consenting parners for the purpose of relieving raging hormones

Emmanystone:
It can be done with the absence of love between the two consenting partners. It can be done one and never again with the same person.
No commitment between both parties.

Case in Point Genesis 38

And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
Genesis:38:8

And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
Genesis:38:9
Onan had SEX with Tamar, enjoy the it, but pulled out and spilled it. There was no love between them hence; his action.
But, love making is an interaction. It's bonding, it is a fusion of souls and spirits of both parties. Love making can take place with sex.

Love making is a heart to heart connection, it's a covenant. It's a melting of two hearts. This ia where giving sacrificially comes it.

Good News Translation Genesis 24:67

Then Isaac brought Rebecca into the tent that his mother Sarah had lived in, and she became his wife. Isaac loved Rebecca, and so he was comforted for the loss of his mother.
pls, no smart mouth should tell me that Isaac just brought Rebecca into his mothers tent but didn't touch her o

Emmanystone:
The friend who asked the question quoted from 1Cor 7:6. Hence i have to stay within the confines of that scripture.

Emmanystone:
And, No, it wasn't about abstinence, but Paul used that as an opportunity to address an issue which may arise later when partners decides to fast.

Emmanystone:
This is not about Sex, but sex whiel Fasting and prayers, sir if there other passages which addressed this issue, i will like to know.

Shalom.

Emmanystone:
I don't, that's why i asked.

Emmanystone:


1 Corinthians:7:5
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

Emmanystone:

Yes, Paul spoke the mind of God when he said we shd abstain from sex during fasting and prayer. There's a very good reason for that.