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‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by VBCampaign: 12:11pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v6XC8j_wLQ Sam Adeyemi and the Tithe By Deji Yesufu Last Sunday, 25th February 2018, Pastor Sam Adeyemi of the Daystar Churches in Lagos, joined the tithe debate. He said that no Christian was under a curse for not tithing. He said that tithing under the law was expired and no Christian should be made to feel guilty for not tithing today. His exact words: “You are free to decide what to give. But if you sow sparingly you will reap sparingly. Tithing as practiced under the law has expired but tithing as a general principle cannot expire. A Christian is free to give any percentage of his money. But bear in mind that 10% is still part of the number. If somebody chooses to give 10%, he should not be condemned and if he gives less or more than that, he has a right to decide what to do.” Sam Adeyemi reached this position by studying the subject of the tithe a little further, as a result of the recent debate that it has elicited in recent time; especially following Daddy Freeze’s campaign against tithing. The last piece of information reveals what many of us have long suspected about modern Pentecostal Pastors. Most of what many of them preach is passed on information from some other popular minister. Their convictions on salient matters of the gospel do not come from the study of scriptures and personal conviction. I believe that there is a lot more these ministers will learn, if they will look a little deeper into their Bibles. Nonetheless, I must commend Sam Adeyemi for his candour and boldness. Very few ministers of his calibre will know what he has discovered and take a position in public on it. God bless him and may the Lord cause him to see more in the gospel than these. The mere fact of saying that Christians are not cursed for not tithing and that people have freedom to use their money the way they please is liberating. But there is more... For me personally, the question of tithing or not tithing brought about a personal reformation of my Christian beliefs. It led me to understand what is true and what is false. In a real way, your position on tithing will determine whether or not you will go to heaven. I find it intriguing that as Sam Adeyemi gave his position on tithing, he resorted to discussing the New Testament and the core doctrine that come with it. He spoke of the abolishing of the law and the liberty of the Christian. I wonder if Mr. Adeyemi’s studies revealed to him what was the cause of these wonderful truths of the scriptures. If he did not see it, I will show him. The Christian is free from the laws of Moses because of Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection. The living Jesus on earth was born of the Holy Spirit, thereby giving him no sinful nature like every other man on earth. In the process, our Lord fulfilled the law of Moses perfectly. The fact that Christ had no sinful nature did not prevent his being tempted. Christ was tempted but he did not sin. Thus making him the blameless Lamb of God who could stand as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all men. With this sacrifice, there was no need for the sacrifice of bulls and goats again; thus, bringing an end to a central practice of Moses’ law. Therefore anyone who believes in Jesus, will have his sins forgiven and he would put on the perfect righteousness of the Son of God. Because of Jesus, the Christian is justified from all thing; and in Jesus, the Christian has perfect righteousness. Thus, the law of Moses that led us to Christ, has lost its significance because Christ has fully fulfilled its requirements – through his life and his death. So that when Jesus walked the earth, he was already beginning to give the Jews a picture of the New Covenant he was to enact. Jesus broke the Jews’ strict observance of the Sabbath and he never rebuked his disciples for doing the same. He was showing the Jews that in him, observance of the law was ebbing away. After Jesus had departed to heaven, the first major conflict in the Church had to do with the position of whether or not to continue certain aspects of the law. In Acts 15, the Apostles agreed among themselves that Gentiles were not to be compelled to be circumcised to be saved. In other words, there was no place for a strict adherence to the laws of Moses in Christendom. What we have now is the law of Christian love and the demands of the Spirit in our hearts. Through the centuries, Christians have debated different aspects of the law and their place in the Church. It is an enlightened minister indeed that knows the true place of the law in this dispensation of grace. But the challenge with Sam Adeyemi new found position is that it is still not a thorough biblical position. To say that a “general principle of tithing” still exists today is to continue the old doctrine but in a new garb. Sam Adeyemi adds the biblical position of “he that sows sparingly will reap sparingly” to support this position. In doing this, Mr. Adeyemi confirmed my fears that what is really at stake here is not the gospel or the matter of salvation, but the need for Christians to secure their finances. What Sam Adeyemi has posited is another means of securing the god of mammon that modern Charismatics worship. At the heart of the Charismatic message is the good life: more money, no sickness, no curse, increase, breakthrough, abundance, open heavens, etc. The modern Charismatic message, which Sam Adeyemi himself preaches, secures the good life for Christians. So, while taking a sound biblical position on tithing, Sam Adeyemi succeeds in retaining the god of mammon in his message. In 2 Corinthians 9, when Paul spoke of “he that gives sparingly will reap sparingly”, he was talking about tithing or a life of breakthrough. He was speaking to Christians and encouraging them to give to a worthy cause of providing support to some other Christians in need. There had been famine in Jerusalem and Paul was encouraging Gentile Christians to give toward the cause. And to encourage them to give towards this cause, he made it clear that those who give sparingly will reap sparingly. The text did not have a big church, that amasses millions every Sunday in mind. It did not have giving to Pastors who themselves are already living large and ostentatiously lives in mind. That text had poor and needy Christians in mind. Thus, my admonition to Sam Adeyemi and those who listen to him is to encourage them to return again to their Bibles and read it with an open heart. What God needs from us is not our money; what he needs is our heart. Let Mr. Adeyemi and other Charismatic Christians return to scriptures and renounce the god of mammon they worship, and return to follow the true Christ of the Bible. Then will their giving make any sense. Then will they understand the place of giving to support Christian work. Then will they understand that the welfare of the poor and needy in our midst is the Bible’s priority when it calls Christians to take a collection each Sunday. It is not all bad though. Just last week, Pastor Benny Hinn comes out to own up to preaching a prosperity gospel. Now it is Sam Adeyemi saying that Christians are not cursed for not tithing. More and more, these Pastors will find ears to hear what the Holy Spirit is saying to the churches. They will repent of their ways and find true Christianity and eternal life in the process. Source: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1552433724832832&id=1505609702848568 CC: Seun, Lalasticlala 34 Likes 4 Shares
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Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 12:16pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v6XC8j_wLQ I am so pleased you opened this thread because I actually had composed my assessment after watching that broadcast but scratched it. I remember I scored him 7 out of 10. The guy is slightly still bigoted. He still clings on to the flay of tithing, under a guise of ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving being a principle. He posited that Jesus paid tithes He was biased in the broadcast as he minded whose ox he gored The writing was on the wall that the broadcast wasn't to every ones liking, as after the morning broadcast, the usual 3pm live streaming was sabotaged, as this as it usually is done wasn't allowed to go live. The admins shut down the chatroom in where, everyone was asking, what's the matter, why isn't the broadcast not being shown etcetera. The normal, after broadcast video, that is usually uploaded is now non existent More if necessary to be Continued 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by bloodofthelamb(m): 1:04pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
Well written! I am not against prosperity gospel for it is biblical, but my grouse is on the false notion that God need your seed and tithe to prosper you. My gospel tells me that I am already enrich in Christ. 26 Likes |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by VBCampaign: 3:44pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
I hope the admins will consider this for front page |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by HigherEd: 4:19pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
Well people still dragging this Tithe issue as preached by pastors are wasting their time. Some folks are probably celebrating thinking Church finances would start crumbling. But you know what, Churches will always collect money under whatever tagthey want to call it. People in Living Faith for instance pay 'Shiloh Sacrifice' - the thing no dey bible but they pay it non the less. So if you want to give I suggest you give and forget terminology.... 22 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by timwudz(m): 4:23pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
Wetin person no go see 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 4:25pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
VBCampaign:Not another sucking up to heavens of Nairaland. If the thread is worthy and/or destined to hit the front page, nothing will stop it or be in its way. 2 Likes |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by SpoiltVirgin: 4:32pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
VBCampaign:what I like about this writeup is that he sent his msg without insulting christianity as a whole, I hope daddy freeze can learn from the way he presented his argument 23 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 4:35pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
SpoiltVirgin:Both should learn, all that could be learned from each other and change their respective ways, manners, styles, understandings, positions, stances, leanings etcetera where needed "To o ba nidi, obirin kin je Kumolu" loosely means "there's no smoke without fire" 3 Likes |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by BushWickBill: 4:48pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
This Adeyemi sef. Something has expired and yet it still has a principle. How vacuous and vague can you get? How hypocritical is this?Isn't it double standards? It's like saying Boyle's Law doesn't exist anymore, yet you ask for it in WAEC Physics. If he has the guts, let him tackle this topic full steam ahead instead of half-stepping it and stopping short of offending Bishops and GOs and co. All these cowardly pastors who can't be brave enough to tell a simple truth. 17 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 5:18pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
BushWickBill:So you watched the entire video too. When did you watch it? Was it on Sunday too, the morning live stream one or the 3:00pm time one? I understand that a principle can still be in existence but not explaining, that tithing, and that's, if at all it really was a principle, like any other principle in the presence of a superior, stronger and better principle can be, is, rendered inoperative and useless We all know that, the law of gravity is rendered useless, inoperative, nullified and made looked as if it never exists, when it comes into contact with the law of aerodynamics 3 Likes |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by BushWickBill: 5:36pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I watched it on Sunday morning. I commented on it on the other thread. And I still stand by my position. Tithing, it's principles and others as contained in the Law are of no effect as far as it was nailed to the Cross of Calvary. He says the principle "EXPIRED". Meaning it stopped to exist. So how then can something that stopped existing be so strong as to have its own principle? All within the same phrase? I get your position as per law of gravity/aerodynamics. But to say a principle is "Expired" is a different thing. The law of gravity will still exist on its own as long as aerodynamics is not in place. It doesn't kill of gravity to the point of it being "expired". Hence my confusion. The death and Resurrection of Christ as rightly put by the author of the piece has killed off the works of the law, tithing inclusive, and hence it NO LONGER EXISTS and should not have any life in Christ. It was nailed to the Cross such that our belief in His resurrection justifies us,instead of carrying out the works of the Law. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 5:51pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
BushWickBill:I scored him 7 out 10 though wanted to give him 5 or 6, I think him sticking his head above the parapet earned him the extra 1 or 2 points. If you were to score him, how would he fare out of 10 marks, on your score sheet? |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by paxonel(m): 6:39pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
God bless pastor Sam Adeyemi, he is truly enlightened 1 Like |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by BushWickBill: 6:50pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I give him a 5. He didn't do enough justice to the issue for me to warrant a higher mark. Plus he stopped halfway and didn't attack the position fully. I must commend him for at least speaking up, as unconvincing as he sounded to me. At least he spoke some truth. 8 Likes |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by Image123(m): 8:33pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
Go and give your tithe and stop racking your brains unnecessarily. |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by BushWickBill: 9:15pm On Mar 01, 2018 |
Image123:This one thinks it's by barking orders. Go and call out your goon trolls Gombs and joagbaje the fraud to defend your already stale position. Tithe is not compulsory 4 Likes |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by VBCampaign: 8:52am On Mar 02, 2018 |
BushWickBill: LOL! 1 Like |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by Seun(m): 10:43am On Mar 03, 2018 |
In response to just the video: Respect to Pastor Sam Adeyemi. As he said, no Christian should be made to feel guilty for not paying tithe. Hopefully, other pastors will follow his lead. 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by Nobody: 10:55am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Seun:U say wetin, that guy is a motivational speaker and entertainer, Christ didn't come to to perform comedy or inspire anyone to acquire sentimental or greedy wealth 2 Likes |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by davibid: 11:04am On Mar 03, 2018 |
This Tithe matter never still pass |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by oyetunder(m): 11:06am On Mar 03, 2018 |
ALL the Devil wants is a poor church...yes. For the church to return to the era of as Poor as church rats. All because some few ministers appeared abused the issues of wealth, now Christians are satanically angry with the whole church. Why not dedicate these energies and boldness to fight the elected leaders who are busy wasting the taxes and commonwealth of the people. Pastors are flying jets...but some religion allowed people with billions to sponsor terrorism-and the followers of such religion are not barking online. Mr Yesufu...please be as wise as the original Joseph. 16 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by obamd: 11:07am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Remove tithes and church revenue dips by 80%. No jokes. Takes guts to come out in defence of that kind of position he took. I'll give him 8/10 3 Likes |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by hopefulLandlord: 11:10am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Christianity is arguably the most confused religion ever, they can't agree on anything. |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by bobokeshington: 11:13am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Free the sheeples 2 Likes |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by rayopt(m): 11:15am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Nice Post. . . .every sensible pastor is politikin while every radical politician is religious. . .its not bad that pastor sam is circumventing!!! |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by CAPSLOCKED: 11:18am On Mar 03, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: WHO ARE WE TO AGREE ON ONE THING WHEN EVEN THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS COULDN'T AGREE ON THE SAME THINGS. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by ideologies(m): 11:18am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Tithing existed before the law of Moses but did not have curses attached to it Jesus came to blot away the curse of the law. Hence tithing remains without any curse.. Pastor Sam is very correct. Before PST Sam, pastor Paul Adefarasin and PST Abel Damina have already preached the same thing, even Apostle Suleiman believes the same thing. Tithing has no curse 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ‘Sam Adeyemi And The Tithe’ by Deji Yesufu by Nobody: 11:20am On Mar 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Can you please proof the bolden assertion Cos you simply just made no point. 4 Likes 1 Share |
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