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Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 2:26pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
oyetpel: Could you please kindly explain how come they succeeded in the killing of all non-Igbo leaders but could not succeed in killing at least just one among the four Igbo leading figures of Azikiwe, Ironsi, Okpara and Osadebe? 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 2:34pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
gidgiddy: You seem to paint him as naive thus innocent of his actions. But I disagree. He was really not naive. As someone who attended secondary school and read it in form four Government Textbooks that unitary system is only workable for a homogeneous society and that only federalism and confederalism suit a heterogeneous country, he was fully aware that all his Decrees would end up in catastrophe for the country on the long run. However, he went ahead still because he believed that his tribe would always be in charge thus would not feel the catastrophic consequences. 4 Likes |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 2:35pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
NwaAmaikpe: Enough of this lame narrative. The brotherhood in the military was not as compromised as it is today. Ironsi was too believing that his men would remain loyal. This was his NAIVITY not stupidity. This was the first time the military was running an ethnically divided country. So other head of states learnt from ironsi's naivity. Ojukwu wasn't even near ironsi in terms of bravery and leadership experience. Ironsi was NAIVE, not stupid. 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 2:40pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
wink2015: Story story..... Story. Still blaming ironsi for your 60 years of political misfortune? Your leaders who had the chance to change the unitary system, why didn't they stop it? The 50% resource derivative for each region was still intact during ironsi regime, why did Gowon and other change it? Keep deluding yourself. Ironsi unitary system was much better than of other heads of state and even todays so called democracy. Rest in peace the great Ironside! 5 Likes |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 2:44pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
ofai: The fact that the pattern of killings that defined the first coup had already created the perception that it was the execution of a long planned ethnic cleansing agenda by Igbos was enough to tell any sensible Igbo man that the army had become divided against the Igbo at that moment. I can't wake up one day to see my brothers slaughter their neighbors and while trying to appease them I don't take precautions. That will not be naivete but sheer stupidity. 2 Likes |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 2:45pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
donfemo: Nobody is denying chukuma, it you revisionist that invoke his name when you want badmouth igbos in the 1966 coup. But when it comes to oil, he is now "south-south". Look for another propaganda. 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 2:51pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Think again. As the new military head of state (the first of its kind in nigeria) Other ethnicities are accusing you of being too "closed up" in tribalism, while your brothers on the other hand are accusing you of being too open to "enemies", I don't think you would have done any better. |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 2:53pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
ofai: You don't get it. |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 2:57pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
ofai: You don't get it. The January coupists claimed they wanted to entrench national unity through the establishment of a unitary government. However, in the Hausa-Fulanis' perception, their quest for unitary system was informed by an Igbo domination agenda which they had earlier on seen Zik demonstrate in his quest to rule the Western Region. Ironsi confirmed these fears by really imposing the unitary system being favoured by only Igbos back then. Consequently, it appeared to them that the only way to keep Igbo domination agenda in the cooler perpetually was for themselves to take power and weaken Igbos both economically and politically by retaining that same unitary system till Igbos suffer enough under it to make them hate it completely. And it has worked for them today as Igbos are now the loudest advocates of restructuring and true federalism. 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 3:02pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: You are still begging the question. Why wasn't the unitary system changed IN PRACTICE for good? Ironsi inherited a country deeply divided, so as a military man, the first experiment one would use to checkmate this division is unitary system. No more regional embassies, every thing comes together. Ironsi meant well but other heads of state learnt from his naivity of adopting the unitary system. By the way, the north wanted to remain dominant at all cost, that was why despite efforts made by ironsi to make them well represented in the supreme military council, they still weren't satisfied. |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by horsepower101: 3:04pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
So after 50 years, some idiots are still blaming Ironsi for their misfortunes. This is the reason I really want igbos to leave this useless country. Igbos think differently from most Nigerians. They try to shape their own destiny no matter the situation. The rest just accept everything by default. Spineless idiots You had over 50 years to make Nigeria a better country without igbo leadership. what happened? What's the excuse? 2 Likes |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 3:05pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
ofai: The philosophy of "Self preservation first" comes into play. If you fail to preserve yourself first, then all else is lost. Buhari has surrounded himself with his kinsmen to the embitterment of the other tribes who have been accusing him of unprecedented nepotism. Has he died? Has that stopped the same Nigerians from acknowledging hid genuine positive achievements like Boko Haram decimation and some slight agricultural revolution? 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by guyXander(m): 3:05pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
NaijaMutant: I SEE WHAT U DID HERE. YOU ARE REALLY GOOD 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 3:14pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
ofai: I answered you clearly. . |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 3:15pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
ofai: I answered you clearly. The Core North led by Murtala Mohammed overthrew Ironsi not necessarily because they wanted to correct Ironsi's blunders but to secceed from Nigeria. But then the British Government Educated them on the benefit of oil, hence they decided to stay back but still not to correct Ironsi's blunders but to rather capitalize on them to completely weaken Igbos. They first chose Gowon, a Middle Belter who, as a minority man, did not share their revenge domination agenda hence actually took steps to reverse Ironsi's blunders until he found a genuine excuse to back down temporarily. But the core North through the person of Murtala Mohammed sacked Gowon when it became crystal clear that he was not genuinely committed to the revenge domination agenda when he declared the 'no victor no vanquished" philosophy. 2 Likes |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by eodavids(m): 3:17pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
lalasticlala: Lalasticlala, I lift up my cap for you; Thanks! 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by T9ksy(m): 3:24pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Be ni o!!! That kind of STUPIDITY should be and was rightly punishable by death. As a matter of fact, Ironsi was simply a pawn in the hands of the extant ibo political elite at the time. They just "used his head to break the coconut pod". He was their (ibo's) sacrificial lamb to facilitate their (long-awaited and prophesied) eventual domination of the new nation. Unfortunately, things didn't work out as their childish pranks intended and consequently they lost everything as their HUNTER suddenly morph into the HUNTED hence the cry of biafra afterwards. They believed in One Nigeria when their homeboy had forced himself on us as HOS albeit through the back door and without much ado, embarked on enacting decrees that can only benefit his fellow ibo people. He surrounded himself with fellow ibo advisers who convinced him that he' doing the right thing and nigeria as a whole will eventually appreciate him. Meanwhile he STUPIDLY chose to ignore opposition voices from the other regions, especially the most affected- the northern region. In fact, Ironsi's level of STUPIDITY ought to be criminalised...............omo go, eni ko ma ku, ko ma run, kini otete pa omo bi ago? 2 Likes |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 3:24pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: If ironsi had leaned towards nepotism, that would have further justified and solidified the perception of igbo domination to the rest of the world, and if he had died in the course of nepotism, even posterity will be harsh on him. Have you read his biography "Ironside" written by a foreign journalist? Ironside was just a sacrificial lamb. His naivity cost him his life. |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 3:26pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
horsepower101: Just like the Igbos have continued blaming Britain for their loss of Biafra war after 50 and refusing to shape their destiny by simply asking their legislative arrow head kinsmen Enwerem, Okadigbo, Anyim Pius Anyim, Wabara, Nnamaani and Ekweremadu to simply sponsor a pro-secession referendum bill on the floor of the National Assembly towards legalizing the demand for Biafra and it's eventual easy realization. 2 Likes |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by femolii: 3:33pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
kingthreat:Don't mind Ironsi but he paid with his blood useless man he was even paying them. 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Emerikoss: 3:33pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Igbo kwenu!!! |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 3:35pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: By economic indices he was one the best. Nigeria's politics was still very young so even all the leaders after him were inexperienced at that time in military government. No military leader was BETTER than Ironside. He didn't want to execute the 5 majors because the western press and Nigerians were sympathetic to them. Adaka boro's life was spared because of the eastern sentiments ironsi had for boro, this made non Easterners feel he was too tribalistic. Ironside was in a tight corner, any leader too would have been. |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by gidgiddy: 3:36pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Military rule never operates as democratic rule. So definitely, no matter eho took over, wether Ironsi or another officer, they would have had to jettison the constitution and rule by decree. However, Ironsi deserves his credits. He was only in power for 6 months but in that time, he :- 1) maintained the 4 Regions he met 2) Maintained the revenue sharing formular he met, Regions still got 50% 3) Refused to use military might to crush Northerners that were killing Igbos in.the North 4) Tried to promote national unity by touring different parts of the country at great risk to his life. Every other Military head of state did far much worse than Ironsi Gowon abolished the four constitutional Regions and replaced them with 12 unconstitutional and illegal states, which led to the declaration of Biafra by Ojukwu and the war to followed. Gowon then went on to use several other military decrees to to strip the provinces of the 50% derivation they enjoyed under Ironsi as well as resource control. Murtala Mohammed came in and increased the states from 12 to 19. He the used one horrific decree or the other to sack tbousands of civil servants and placed the petroleum industry under military supervision. Obasunjo came in and promulgated the Land Use Act which futher stripped people of control of their ancestral lands. Obasunjo also over saw the adoption of Americas style of democrasy with the federalism as against Regionalism. By the time Nigeria went through Babangida and Abacha, we had 36 states and Abubakar completed the fraud called the 1999 constitution. Ironsi's short military regime was by far the best of all the military regimes tbat came after him. Ironsi's government was the closest to the 1963 constitution. His regime was the only one that respected the existence of the 4 constitutionally created Regions, their revenue sharing formular, resouce control and fiscal federalism. 2 Likes |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by sharpsecret: 3:36pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
i dnt understand wat u mean by he schemed his way into power knowing he was d most senior millitary man?pls explain |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 3:39pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
ofai: Unfortunately, posterity has not absolved him of nepotism. People logically believe that he would not have enacted the Unification and Civil service harmonization Decrees, and many other Igbo-favoured centripetal decrees had he actually not surrounded himself with only Igbos as advisers. Put in another way; none of those perceived Igbo-centric decrees would have successfully scaled through a composition of advisers defined by a fair balance of Igbos, Western and Northern Region politicians. What we can see is that he surrounded himself with Igbo advisers while his personal security details were almost 100℅ non-Igbo. That was pure suicide. It would have made more senses for him to have made his security 100℅ Igbos and made the composition of his advisers have a national spread. 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 3:43pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Ironsi's military experiment was an unitary experiment that led some (NOT ALL) pundits into concluding that unitary system is meant only for a homogeneous group. Not every pundit share the same view anyway. By the way, Nigeria was just too fragmented, so for an apolitical military man like Ironside, unitary system was the way to go. That was indeed naive. Got it? |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 3:47pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
ofai: No genuinely educated person shares the perception that unitary system will ever succeed in a heterogeneous society. As at that point in time all heterogeneous societies which had experimented unitary system had failed woefully. What convinced Ironsi that Nigeria could miraculously be an exception? 1 Like |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by femolii: 3:49pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
seguno2:Nnamdi Azikiwe is ceremonia president so don't call him president Tafawa balewa is the one in charge primister. |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 3:49pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: It depends on who is telling the story. Who are this pundits? Read the book IRONSIDE and see it from another perspective. Ironsi's security details had northerners there, his military council had northerners as well. As military men (not civilian), Nigeria's unity had to be "forced" at the centre if necessary. Every military leader learnt from ironsi's naivity. |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 3:58pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Good question: 1. Nigeria as a country was still an infant with a largely docile and servile population. 2. Even ironsi himself knew the military government is only temporary and thus, only comes in to unite a deeply fractured country with whatever means necessary. 3. Many nations were still experimenting systems of governance even if it meant on a temporary basis e.g communism, military dictatorship, confederalism, constitutional monarchy, etc. |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by Deadlytruth(m): 4:00pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
gidgiddy: Well, if military rule can't operate a decentralized system as you suppose, then how come Ojukwu, a military man took to Aburi Summit proposals for an extremely decentralized structure to be supervised by the military far into the future? Recall that there was no single case made for election back to democracy in that document? I have already addressed in another thread most of the arguments you have raised above, and I don't want to repeat myself. But I will only repeat that all who came after Ironsi sustained and deepened Ironsi's unitary system as a veritable tool in eradication of the perceived Igbo domination agenda which had been foreshadowed by Zik's criss crossing of regions seeking premiership, Nzeogwu and co's announcement of their quest to strengthen the centre and weaken the regions after the coup, which Ironsi's final Unification, Anti-seccession and Anti-tribal Associations Decrees finally confirmed. You therefore can't really blame them. The person who opens the eyes of others to the sweetness of evil remains guiltiest of moral perversion in the land. For introducing military rule at all into a perfectly working democracy, Ironsi deserves no credit except you are of the belief that the worst military regime is better than the best civilian regime. 2 Likes |
Re: Johnson Aguiyi-ironsi's 94th Posthumous Birthday Is Today by ofai: 4:02pm On Mar 03, 2018 |
gidgiddy: Thank you sir. Some people just want to give a dog a bad name. Thank God posterity judges him well. |
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