bezimo:


I dont get you..The prosperity gospel is not for the blacks or for the white its for christians and its biblical and part of the redemption pakages brought about by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.there is a lot of references to that effect.

There are blessed and wealthy America preachers such as Kenneth Copland, Bill Winston etc. The last time i checked..Kenneth copland has given out 27 airplane as gifts..he has his own airport..he is a super wealthy preacher of the gospel.

There are are blessed and wealthy black preachers such my father Bishop David Oyedepo, Bishop TD jakes..and all that.

Did you read my post at all

I never said there are no American prosperity preachers. I was only wondering why they thrive more in poor countries or in relatively poor American states.

And about prosperity theology, you said it is a redemption package Please, can you back this up with Scriptures?

Aposteli1:
. So your own Bible told you that Jesus Christ wore an expensive clothes Abi??

I nr come here to argue. John 19:23 , just after u read dat, search google for "shroud of turin".

kosalabaro:
God bless you, Op.
True gospel life is a life of total commitment and sacrifice and because those qualities are lacking hence there are no 'Elijahs'' and ''Elishas'' anymore.
When we say ''Pastors cannot be millionaires'' this does not mean we want them to be poor. It simply means that they should live a simple life, a life of moderation as our Lord Jesus Christ did. Jesus had overwhelming opportunities to have been the richest man of his time, but because he knew the inherent corruption, temptation, deceit and Godlessness in such level of wealth, he chose to live a completely Godly life - simplicity, humility, life without sin, love for the poor, spirituality and above all, love of mankind.

What is bad in any man of God living in a 3 or (at most) 4-bedroom bungalow?

What is bad in a Pastor wearing a simple cloth (ankara for instance) instead of a 3-piece suit?

What is bad in our so-called men of God driving a Peugeot or Volkswagen?


What is bad in our Pastors sending their children to Public schools?


But the truth is bitter and our earthly world hates the truth because the marketing of truth brings no money whereas marketing of lies leads to millionaire status.

Very well said. Thank you.

akeensbussy:


that means it was pastors that preached to bill gate, jack ma, dangote, etc and they were bless and become rich.

how come those that go to church every Sunday and pastor blesses them are yet to become rich

See question! Must a pastor preach to a millionaire to become rich? He himself must practice the principles of wealth he preaches! If a pastor preaches about God's way and principles of blessing and riches and he is not rich himself-are you not the same people that will come online and start wondering why a pastor talks about prosperity and he looks hungry?

akeensbussy:


that means it was pastors that preached to bill gate, jack ma, dangote, etc and they were bless and become rich.

how come those that go to church every Sunday and pastor blesses them are yet to become rich

A pastor or any other cleric (as spiritual fathers), must bless. He must declare. He must teach and counsel. He must pray. It is his desire that they will come back with testimonies and confirmation. But out of 100people, only 2 or 3 return with any good news-because they acted on the blessing and counsel they received. While the 3 people will appreciate grace on the pastors life with gifts, the rest will start picking faults.

bezimo:
Nonsense..
A pastor is first a christian..and we are told from the bible that God want all his children to prosper which includes pastors.
So take this your satanic inspired rubbish to the garbage. Pastors will buy more jets, have more money and continue to be a blessing as they have been in greater dimensions, the hatred notwithstanding.

God bless every pastor labouring fervently in the vinyerd.
God bless evey genuine church of God out there.

The haters, pharisees, saducees can jump into lagoon.

This sheeple knows not the difference between spiritual riches and physical riches.

The truth is the bible has warned of shepherds who will come to fleece the sheep for personal gain.
Why will a pastor establish publishing house with church funds, write books and advertise free and tell members of the spiritual blessing in buying and selling the books to others. He prints free, advertises free and then pocket all the profits

BluntTheApostle:


Do you know the meaning of best selling books

Not even the likes of Dan Brown or JK Rowling who are true best sellers can boast of the wealth of our African pastors.

Please, no Nigerian pastor is a best selling author. If you want to argue, show statistics and not just assumptions.

Best sellers of how many books?
How many books have Dan Brown sold a million copies of?
In Africa, religion sells. You wanna know why because people just want to understand that concept.
There are over 50 million Christians in Nigeria. Books on the end time, rapture and revelations of heaven and hell thingie sells over 20 million copies in west Africa only. A very close family friend is the CLARION CALL book publisher. People reading books like that know of him so I know what I am saying.
I'm not saying they're not being paid. Of course they are.
I'm also not saying they don't have access to some allowances as senior pastors of big Pentecostal churches. They also are.
But do you honestly think when Adeboye and whoever it is y'all having a current beef with gets called to Glory, he's gonna pass all these 'properties/allowances' to his relations?
Do you think he buys anything he owns with your offering?
His personal properties are bought with his money. He does something for a living and the new notion flying around that pastors just cross their legs and buys private jet and designer wears with the church offering is ridiculously false.
There is a committee of church elders that deliberate by the direction of the spirit if that is the best and wisest financial decision. And if you can't understand that is it not better to keep silent and allow them to face the wrath of God personally?
If you are not convinced, is it not better you do your own part and leave the condemnation to the Just Judge?
Me I don't understand people inclination to condemn because they are not in the shoes of that person. All of a sudden, pastors are worse than the devil because they don't have patches on their Sunday wears like some of the church members.

They are best selling authors, they are allowed to live comfortably.

Ovamboland:


This sheeple knows not the difference between spiritual riches and physical riches.

The truth is the bible has warned of shepherds who will come to fleece the sheep for personal gain.
Why will a pastor establish publishing house with church funds, write books and advertise free and tell members of the spiritual blessing in buying and selling the books to others. He prints free, advertises free and then pocket all the profits

You must be the the goat talked about in scriptures doomed for damnation. Smh
Please get lost..you have a reprobrate and ignorant mind and as such cant comprehend scriptures. Your anger against blessed Men of God like Bishop oyedepo doesnt change anything. Who God has blessed, he has blessed..so go figure out your life.

VBCampaign:


I say it with all confidence, and according to the records of scriptures and history, the term “millionaire pastor” is a misnomer. All those bearing such are thieves and robbers, and their judgement before God lingers not.

You may be sincere but you’re sincerely wrong. Prosperity is for every child of God . The so called Millionare pastors are judged by the assets of their ministry . It is wrong . Nobody knows what is in the pastors account except God . How do we determine Millionare pastors . It’s human judgement . Pastors are givers . He gets to give . Pastors don’t store money up .

bezimo:
Nonsense..
A pastor is first a christian..and we are told from the bible that God want all his children to prosper which includes pastors.
So take this your satanic inspired rubbish to the garbage. Pastors will buy more jets, have more money and continue to be a blessing as they have been in greater dimensions, the hatred notwithstanding.

God bless every pastor labouring fervently in the vinyerd.
God bless evey genuine church of God out there.

The haters, pharisees, saducees can jump into lagoon.

Very true . The definition of wealthy pastor is where the “K leg is. Nothing is wrong with a pastor receiving money as gift . Jesus did . What the pastor does with it is between him and God who called him . Pastors use money for Minisry . .

ReinaFarine:

Best sellers of how many books?
How many books have Dan Brown sold a million copies of?
In Africa, religion sells. You wanna know why because people just want to understand that concept.
There are over 50 million Christians in Nigeria. Books on the end time, rapture and revelations of heaven and hell thingie sells over 20 million copies in west Africa only. A very close family friend is the CLARION CALL book publisher. People reading books like that know of him so I know what I am saying.
I'm not saying they're not being paid. Of course they are.
I'm also not saying they don't have access to some allowances as senior pastors of big Pentecostal churches. They also are.
But do you honestly think when Adeboye and whoever it is y'all having a current beef with gets called to Glory, he's gonna pass all these 'properties/allowances' to his relations?
Do you think he buys anything he owns with your offering?
His personal properties are bought with his money. He does something for a living and the new notion flying around that pastors just cross their legs and buys private jet and designer wears with the church offering is ridiculously false.
There is a committee of church elders that deliberate by the direction of the spirit if that is the best and wisest financial decision. And if you can't understand that is it not better to keep silent and allow them to face the wrath of God personally?
If you are not convinced, is it not better you do your own part and leave the condemnation to the Just Judge?
Me I don't understand people inclination to condemn because they are not in the shoes of that person. All of a sudden, pastors are worse than the devil because they don't have patches on their Sunday wears like some of the church members.

They are best selling authors, they are allowed to live comfortably.

Ma, I deal with facts and figures, not assumptions.

Oyedepo is one of the most prolific religious books' writers in Africa but his publishing house has only 4 million print in circulation for all of his 50+ books. No one is even sure how many of the 4 million prints have been bought.

In its first 24 hours, “ Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows,” by JK Rowling sold 8.3 million copies. One Harry Potter book has more sales than 50+ books of Oyedepo. And it did so in its first 24 hours.

Dan Brown has sold over 200 million copies of his work.

You can check all these figures online and from Scholastica (concerning the Harry Potter book).

Religion sells, but not in books, especially in Africa.

BluntTheApostle:


If only you were not so gullible, you would see that these pastors are the Pharisees and Saducees.

A pharisee and saducee is one that is full of hate and jobless..that all he/she does is criticise Jesus and fault who he is or what he does..looking for errors and trying desperately to ruin his reputation on every opportunity..Thats exactly who you are just like many online satanic ignorant agents of hell speaking thrash and garbage against men of God and the church..because you do same to Jesus servants even the men of God in the land.

bezimo:


A pharisee and saducee is one that is full of hate and jobless..that all he/she does is criticise Jesus and fault who he is or what he does..looking for errors and trying desperately to ruin his reputation on every opportunity..Thats exactly who you are just like many online satanic ignorant agents of hell speaking thrash and garbage against men of God and the church..because you do same to Jesus servants even the men of God in the land.

SMH. So according to your own bible, a Pharisee was described as jobless I bet you have never heard about the Sanhedrin.

Read the verse below and see if there are no similarities between the Pharisees and your pastors:

"Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces. (Luke 11:43)

Lastly, I have noticed that many ignorant Christians see their pastors as "Men of God". If your pastors are "Men of God", then what are you, Bezimo? Man of the Devil

Have you ever wondered what the term "Man of God" means? You think it is only for those who call themselves pastors

Bro, you are no doubt still a baby Christian.

BluntTheApostle:


SMH. So according to your own bible, a Pharisee was described as jobless I bet you have never heard about the Sanhedrin.

Read the verse below and see if there are no similarities between the Pharisees and your pastors:

"Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces. (Luke 11:43)

Lastly, I have noticed that many ignorant Christians see their pastors as "Men of God". If your pastors are "Men of God", then what are you, Bezimo? Man of the Devil

Have you ever wondered what the term "Man of God" means? You think it is only for those who call themselves pastors

Bro, you are no doubt still a baby Christian.

You are a fake christian obviously..typically ignorant and posing to know while knowing absolutely nothing.
I cannot be a man of the devil and at the same time supporting things that partain to men of God or the advancement of the church. While you fit the perfect description of the man of the devil since you have made it you life aim and purpose to yarn garbage and nonsense against men of God and fault them as though you are now a judge. Abeg get lost.
Its your type that is refered to as brood of vipers in the bible..Nonsense.
Yes Bishop Oyedepo is a comfirmed man of God to me and many others whether you acknowlege that fact or not doesnt change who he is. Smh.
Please i dont want to entartain any nonsense quoting from you any further since your ignorance is clearly beyond redemption.

bezimo:



You are a fake christian obviously..typically ignorant and posing to know while knowing absolutely nothing.
I cannot be a man of the devil and at the same time supporting things that partain to men of God or the advancement of the church. While you fit the perfect description of the man of the devil since you have made it you life aim and purpose to yarn garbage and nonsense against men of God and fault them as though you are now a judge. Abeg get lost.
Its your type that is refered to as brood of vipers in the bible..Nonsense.
Yes Bishop Oyedepo is a comfirmed man of God to me and many others whether you acknowlege that fact or not doesnt change who he is. Smh.
Please i dont want to entartain any nonsense quoting from you any further since your ignorance is clearly beyond redemption.

Why the thing come pain you like this

I only asked a simple question. If Oyedepo is a man of God, then what are you

MIster Yusufu, the gospel is open to all and written in thousands of languages for all to know the truth and thus be set free. You Moslems, finds it very pleasurable to always attack 'the Christian faith' yet, no one dare preach in some of your land, like Saudi Arabia, no one can understand your Koran, for it is only written in Arabic only and your wrote shall fall on ant one who dares to translate it.
There is no pastor who calls himself millionaires pastors. but know this 'Anything you do well and do with a and pursue excellence will always results in some form of financial gain. The bible says a Proverbs 22:29 Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men. Simply;
what Ever YOU DO WELL BRINGS IT OWN FINANCIAL GAIN
WHATEVER YOU DO WELL BRINGS YOU BEFORE MEN WHO WILL BE WILLING TO GIVE YOU 'RETURNS' FOR YOUR BLESSINGS ON THEM
Motivation speakers make millions for men are willing to pay for their speech which they consider helpful to them. Stop , stop stop pastor bashing!!
Even blogging and doing it well, can make you a millionaire ask Linda Ikeji. Please find your notch and use it well instead; because this road[pastor bashing] will not lead you anywhere
Trying so much to bring out suffering in poverty and lack does not fly in our time. Stop burying your head like an Ostrich in the Sand

maestroferddi:
So as a Christian you want an imam/alfa to feature in a discussion about pastors?


What accord has light with darkness?

I have never been deceived, for one day, that all posters were sincere Christians in any way; the profuseness of their bible quotation or seeming brilliance of their arguments notwithstanding!

Secondly, despite the fact that an alfa featuring here would be preposterous anyway, your question is still off-point, as per my hypotheses and assertion which is that:
A. Discerning Christians o, you ought to be aware that our institutions, doctrines and belief-systems which have been the founding bedrocks and catalysts of many of the world's greatest nations, are under a well-coordinated attack.

B. These attacks major in minors, they ridicule, denigrate and castigate Christianity's structures, institutions and activities freely. They demonize relentlessly without admitting to any virtues, benefits and positives of the same Christianity which they might even have enjoyed sometime or the other!

C. Most of the time, their postulations are often off-base, non-contemporary and quite unworkable with the trends of the times. They forget that even the Word of God establishes that the dealings of God with man were and still remain " Dispensational"! They want poor pastors, they want Christians who will be slaughtered like sheep and won't bleat a squeak but they forget Christ Jesus featured at a time in the history of the Middle East when the Might of Rome held sway. Isreal was a conquered colony, we are now living in a fully democratic secular nation with equal rights, equal basis for the establishment of our own agendas, freedom of association, right to self-determination, access to various organs of governance, policy making and jurisprudence that Christ-Era or Early Church Ages Christians NEVER had access to! If you will agree with me, early Christians who were mostly fugitives and DARK AGES Era Christians, who were mostly mismanaged by the Papal Church of Rome all lived in various eras to which we couldn't even relate now. If someone is not cursed, why would you intend to replicate their experience and make it yours when the Lord has not ordered it so? Is it by that needless suffering that you intend to pay your way into heaven? Are you now under the Law or Grace? Most of these critics are legalistic Pharisees seating on the fences anyway.

D. Most of these posters. Investigate them. Find out what they have invested into the Discipleship Value-Chain, you will find its nothing, zero, zilch! They are professional critics for some of whom the hottest parts of hell have reserved. It's quite easy to jump up, string a few bible verses together and point fingers but how many lives has Good used you to touch?
Fine, you are saying everybody is wrong!
Ok! How far have you give with your rightness?

Scriptural Interpretation is not something anyone should just jump up after some plates of Akpu and start alleging and misleading people upandan.
Anybody with liver for it should continue, I will neither join nor condone such!

Also, look at the time of this particular write-up, I still maintain that most of these keyboard-warriors, who are often no where to be found in church administration, membership, field missions or ministries shining the light of God; I maintain that they are part of the new Anti-Christ movement who find it easy to get into vain arguments, philosophies of men and totally unspiritual, but intellectually-sweetened errors, while taking pot-shots at Christian institutions, the same which, they would not try with other religions because they know they will face no retaliations. But, they forget that Judgment Day may tarry, but it will surely land one day!

It's rotten-headed thinking and deluded lost sheep like the OP who turn out as paradoxes of the Christian experience, possibly victorious in no aspect of life except pointing fingers who often do more damage?

They are the one who mess up the thinking of other Christians and make them so useless and of no societal impact that they all end up producing a mess like the current Nigeria!

Is it not a shame? With all the prayer programs, bible-toting members and religious activities, believers here have not been able to affect the country like John Knox, Charles Wesley, Smith Wigglesworth affect theirs' on their generation?

And here we are? I take it you're a Christian. Let me ask youa question:

/At this phase of Nigeria's evolution ethno-spiritually econo-politically, even psycho-socially, brother, is it pastors who turned up Nigeria like this?
Where are the other culprits?
Who is condemning the military for their decades of stealing and northern-led non-corrective, noon negatively-impacting coups? Babangida, the evil-genius himself, is now a saint now... But Oyedepo is not?
AbdulSalaam, Abacha, etc are heroes now abi... But Adeboye is now a thief now?

Every coward who can't think straight but guzzle beer like Daddy Freeze who can't face down their leaders now feel it's rubbishing church people that will give them readership ratings! Make dem kwontinue, na dem sabi!

I enjoy when people set down balanced assertions. I like engaging threads from which I can learn more. Other than that, count me out!

Thanks

itu404:
MIster Yusufu, the gospel is open to all and written in thousands of languages for all to know the truth and thus be set free. You Moslems, finds it very pleasurable to always attack 'the Christian faith' yet, no one dare preach in some of your land, like Saudi Arabia, no one can understand your Koran, for it is only written in Arabic only and your wrote shall fall on ant one who dares to translate it.
There is no pastor who calls himself millionaires pastors. but know this 'Anything you do well and do with a and pursue excellence will always results in some form of financial gain. The bible says a Proverbs 22:29 Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men. Simply;
what Ever YOU DO WELL BRINGS IT OWN FINANCIAL GAIN
WHATEVER YOU DO WELL BRINGS YOU BEFORE MEN WHO WILL BE WILLING TO GIVE YOU 'RETURNS' FOR YOUR BLESSINGS ON THEM
Motivation speakers make millions for men are willing to pay for their speech which they consider helpful to them. Stop , stop stop pastor bashing!!
Even blogging and doing it well, can make you a millionaire ask Linda Ikeji. Please find your notch and use it well instead; because this road[pastor bashing] will not lead you anywhere
Trying so much to bring out suffering in poverty and lack does not fly in our time. Stop burying your head like an Ostrich in the Sand

Mr. Deji Yesufu is a Christian. A minister of the gospel.

You may google the name and see what comes out. Also, you may find him on Facebook too.

SirBunky85:

thrash.couldn't even back ur yeye write ups with facts.

the facts in the writeup are enormous...

But I don't like talking about pastors

nwabekeyi:
the facts in the writeup are enormous...

But I don't like talking about pastors

Can u pls highlight d facts in dat Yeye post?

SirBunky85:

Can u pls highlight d facts in dat Yeye post?

u won't, its not as if you didn't see it, you don't want to accept it..

I can't argue over nothing

nwabekeyi:
u won't, its not as if you didn't see it, you don't want to accept it..

I can't argue over nothing

I didn't see anything pls. u can do well to show me

kelvinnaira:
I nr come here to argue. John 19:23 , just after u read dat, search google for "shroud of turin".

This is where you get it wrong. Sometimes you don't just quote a verse in the Bible without understanding the whole chapter. If you want to have a better understanding of any Bible. Sometimes you need to read the whole chapter or few chapters that preceed the said chapter. You quoted John 19:23. Now try to read the whole chapter John 19:1 " Then Pilate took Jesus and had him flogged. 2 The Soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. THEY CLOTHED HIM IN A PURPLE RODE. 3 And went up to him again and again, saying, "Hail,king of the Jews! And they struck him in the face.
I think you can now see that the said clothes that was removed from Christ in verses 23 wasn't his own.
Shalom!!!