Onlytruth:

Is Nigeria easy to understand? Be frank. Please explain Nigeria to me?

Explain how a country can be the most endowed in terms of oil and gas in Africa and yet the one without electricity.
Explain how Nigeria has the smartest people in Africa, yet is being run by the least intelligent
Explain how a country can have money in external reserves and yet borrow.
Explain how a thief who wasted 8 years of a civilian democracy, tried and failed to become life president, but is today still calling the shots.

I can reel out about 100 things about Nigeria that defy logic, but what is the point?
To logically prognosticate for Nigeria is my idea of ultimate lunacy.

It was so simple to say to a lieutenant colonel Yakubu Gowon to stay away from Nigeria's leadership position because there was a Brigadier Ogundipe and many other senior officers to take over the leadership of Nigeria in 1966. Guess what happened, the only person who stood firm to demand propriety and decorum and seniority was instead mysteriously dubbed a "hot head" and a "rebel". 3 million innocent people died as a result.

Today, the same people who took Nigeria off course still hold sway; and folks are here asking the loser in 1966 to stop them today.

I'm beginning to worry about the IQ of the average Nigerian youth.
Ojukwu is Nigeria's history personified. He is like a living encyclopedia. He knows that we still have a long way to go.
He would be a fool to repeat the "mistake" of 1966.
If IBB wants to rule, the best we can do as Igbo is to extract as much concession from him as possible. Knowing Ojukwu and his sleepless nights over Igbo problems in Nigeria, I believe that those concessions must have been extracted from IBB, hence his position on state police and quota system.

You don't have to understand me.

This is where your argument becomes delusional, infantile, and disjointed. Did Ojukwu fight the civil war because Gowon took over instead of Ogundipe? Stop twisting facts to suit your twisted logic; it is pathetic and removes considerably from some valid points you may make. The information is out there and we all know why Ojukwu and the Biafrans had to fight but do not pull wool over our eyes by claiming it was for altruistic reasons.

chosen04:

Thanks for admitting geting the inconsistency in the different reports. Will you also agree with me that the reports are not enough to conclude that he said so?

Hope u still remember aunty DORA telling the nation of how president Yar'adua spoke(on phone) to uncle Joe immediately after the various FEC meeting? Right now i dont believe news reports were the character(S) involved is not the person being quoted.

Cos only recently Joe admitted that he never spoke to Yar'adua for once. Its very possible that Ojukwu did say what was accredited to him.

I personally hate heroic worshipping and that thief is my ''kinsmen'' mentality. Infact, i be the first to kick my people.

I can get what you mean by ''I know and understand most Igbos adore Ojukwu and inadvertently fill their emptiness with him?'' but if what i think you mean is right, then i think you not know Ndigbos well enough.

abeg free me with this your inconsistency theory.the story came from different sources,the least you can establish was that there was a familiarization visit to ojukwu and;since he welcomed then into his world,it's expected of him to show back his support for his visitor.the bottomline is that there was a contact between ojukwu and ibb.
ojukwu committed a blunder by dragging igbo tribe in between him and ibb matter.he's totally deluded if i must say.

@Chosen04

The first report of original post was without a source. To me its not valid. I only consider the link I pasted in my post and my arguement is within that context. I didn't start posting until I got that, so I won't compare.

Speaking about emptiness we all have it. it is this concept that gave birth to hope, faith, trust, confidence, courage etc, so that continued existence is guaranteed.

I believe Ojukwu is a great man, but in my purview I believe the Heroic Ojukwu knonw to his pple before the war and during the war, died in 1970 after the war. Almost all his pple don't know that. It is this side they choose to see but that seems his dead part

But life goes on so long we have the breath, so he sublimate his remaining energy to politics(ref NPN and Abacha) its a personal thing.

The era of seeking a Biafra by Ojukwu is gone. He has woken from that and has decided to move on with his military colleges, howbeit a wrong association.

BB 2moro

Katsumoto:

This is where your argument becomes delusional, infantile, and disjointed. Did Ojukwu fight the civil war because Gowon took over instead of Ogundipe? Stop twisting facts to suit your twisted logic; it is pathetic and removes considerably from some valid points you may make. The information is out there and we all know why Ojukwu and the Biafrans had to fight but do not pull wool over our eyes by claiming it was for altruistic reasons.

If Ogundipe took over, do you think Nigeria would have fought a civil war? Be honest. When half baked and unqualified elements took over after Ironsi's death, they could not (cos they didn't know how ) manage the situation. The rest is history.

But the most important question is, does Ojukwu owe Nigeria any political activism today after his history in Nigeria? NO.
He acted in his day. If you don't like IBB, go stop him and leave us out of it. He will "win" next year.

Dominoifet:

@Chosen04

The first report of original post was without a source. To me its not valid. I only consider the link I pasted in my post and my arguement is within that context. I didn't start posting until I got that, so I won't compare.

Speaking about emptiness we all have it. it is this concept that gave birth to hope, faith, trust, confidence, courage etc, so that continued existence is guaranteed.

I believe Ojukwu is a great man, but in my purview I believe the Heroic Ojukwu knonw to his pple before the war and during the war, died in 1970 after the war. Almost all his pple don't know that. It is this  side they choose to see but that seems his dead part

But life goes on so long we have the breath, so he sublimate his remaining energy to politics(ref NPN and Abacha) its a personal thing. 

The era of seeking a Biafra by Ojukwu is gone. He has woken from that and has decided to move on with his military colleges, howbeit a wrong association.

I think the part of him that died was his belief in Nigerian citizens of other tribes' ability to pursue integrity and honor (especially Yoruba and Hausa). It takes honor and courage to stand with the truth even when others conspire and manipulate the truth to gain the upper hand.
Otherwise, he is still the same lion heart and a man of great wisdom.

Onlytruth:

If Ogundipe took over, do you think Nigeria would have fought a civil war? Be honest. When half baked and unqualified elements took over after Ironsi's death, they could not (cos they didn't know how ) manage the situation. The rest is history.

But the most important question is, does Ojukwu owe Nigeria any political activism today after his history in Nigeria? NO.
He acted in his day. If you don't like IBB, go stop him and leave us out of it. He will "win" next year.

That is plainly speculative; we do not know what might have happened. What if Ogundipe took over and was still killed months later by Murtala, Danjuma, and Adamu? Also, see why I state that your argument is disjointed. In one minute, you argue that war would have been avoided if Ogundipe got to rule and then you state this

Onlytruth:

[b]I think the part of him that died is his belief in Nigerian citizens of other tribes (especially Yoruba and Hausa) to pursue integrity and honor. [/b]It takes honor and courage to stand with the truth even when others conspire and manipulate the truth to gain the upper hand.
Otherwise, he is still the same lion heart and a man of great wisdom.

You cannot honestly argue that honour and courage is the preserve of solely the Igbo. We have facts and evidence to the contrary. There are noble Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Ijaw, Urhobo men as there are corrupt Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Ijaw, Urhobo men. As long as you continue to argue that the Igbo are the only honourable people in Nigeria, you continue to sound like a deluded bigot.

Yes Ojukwu stood with honor and courage when he chose to defend his people but when push came to shove, that honour and courage you so talked about, vanished.

Katsumoto:

That is plainly speculative; we do not know what might have happened. What if Ogundipe took over and was still killed months later by Murtala, Danjuma, and Adamu? Also, see why I state that your argument is disjointed. In one minute, you argue that war would have been avoided if Ogundipe got to rule and then you state this

You cannot honestly argue that honour and courage is the preserve of solely the Igbo. We have facts and evidence to the contrary. There are noble Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Ijaw, Urhobo men as there are corrupt Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Ijaw, Urhobo men. As long as you continue to argue that the Igbo are the only honourable people in Nigeria, you continue to sound like a deluded bigot.

Yes Ojukwu stood with honor and courage when he chose to defend his people but when push came to shove, that honour and courage you so talked about, vanished.

There are levels of honor and courage. Of course it would be glib to say that there are no honorable and courageous people of other tribes. However, there is a tipping point for everything. Your courage and honor is useless when you cannot, or will not use them at the most decisive moment. All the so-called Nigerian war heroes fought against a nearly unarmed Biafra. Where is their courage in Bakassi against an armed Cameroun? I just gave one example.

Ojukwu is a rare breed (if you like). Only Gideon Okar and his crew come close in term of that type of courage.

Like I said, Ojukwu has played his role. He doesn't owe Nigeria anymore.

Kudos also to newmusic. You are damn right. Racism and tribalism are sheer ignorance and unless we consider ourselves ignorant or want to be seen as such we must desist from them,

Again for those who hold Ojukwu in high esteem you must appreciate that the man is old and can sometimes say things which may be odd given his position in the Igbo society. I love and respect the man for his foresight. However, read some rather (in my own view classified ) documents about the Nigerian Biafran war, I sometimes have my doubts about his sincerity and selflessness. To some extent one can easily conclude that we igbos lost so many lives out of Ojukwu's selfishness and int risingency. He should have stopped when it became obvious that we were not going to win and lacked powerful international support and not wait as long as he did for our people to perish. But what do i know only God knows the full gist and the men Gowon and Ojibwa may never tell the full truth. keep well guys

Onlytruth:

I think the part of him that died was his belief in Nigerian citizens of other tribes' ability to pursue integrity and honor (especially Yoruba and Hausa). It takes honor and courage to stand with the truth even when others conspire and manipulate the truth to gain the upper hand.
Otherwise, he is still the same lion heart and a man of great wisdom.

I guess it was not honor and integrity for those Yoruba soldiers who chose to fight on the side of Biafra or Col. Adekunle Fajuyi who had  chosen to lay down his own life for his friend and Commander in Chief, who was an Igbo. No amount of revisionism will change the fact that some Yoruba have defended the Igbo with their own blood.

Tuyis:


I guess it was not honor and courage for the Yoruba soldiers who chose to fight on the side of Biafra or Col. Adekunle Fajuyi who earlier chose to lay down his own life for his friend and Commander in Chief, who was Igbo. No amount of revisionism will change the fact that some Yoruba have defended the Igbo with their own blood.

ndigbo will always remember those yoruba who died fighting on the Biafran side. we know them all. no doubt they were also brave and honorable.

E be like say old age don set-in ooo!

Dominoifet:

@Chosen04

I get what u r trying to say. But still its not enuff to say he didn't say that, while considering his past stint with NPN, Abacha.

I know and understand most Igbos adore Ojukwu and inadvertently fill their emptiness with him, but what does he(Ojukwu) fills his emptiness with? Power of course and relevance with politics, so as not to be at total loss. I'm saying this not to hurt anybody from my opinion and the way human mind works- we must fill our minds with something else we die.

bulllshyt

It is with so much joy that i congratulate nigerians on the possession of very intelligent analysts who have suceeded in ridiculing pro ibb fools who can't admit d truth and instead keep on posting misleading posts.FOOLS BEWARE.

IBB/Dim Ojukwu on a ticket would be interesting.

The only problem may be the fact that some ambitious people of the ndiigbo extraction might find a way to eliminate IBB, rendering Dim Ojukwu the president, if indeed the said ticket wins.

ndu_chucks:

IBB/Dim Ojukwu on a ticket would be interesting.

The only problem may be the fact that some ambitious people of the ndiigbo extraction might find a way to eliminate IBB, rendering Dim Ojukwu the president, if indeed the said ticket wins.

Are you stating that there are no credible leaders from the North? Are you insinuating that the murderer, drug dealer, thief IBB is the best the North can produce?
Besides, Ojukwu is not interested in being VP; I think that is actually insulting for a man of Ojukwu's age to be VP to IBB.

I support anything that would spite the Yoruba and help the Igbo. If IBB diverts funds to Igboland from Yorubaland out of the support we give and the love for his late wife kinsmen, then I support it.

Seeing how much the Yoruba hate IBB, I can only wonder if the man might prove valuable to the Igbo. You cannot trust those Yoruba cowards.

EzeUche:

I support anything that would spite the Yoruba and help the Igbo. If IBB diverts funds to Igboland from Yorubaland out of the support we give and the love for his late wife kinsmen, then I support it.

Seeing how much the Yoruba hate IBB, I can only wonder if the man might prove valuable to the Igbo. You cannot trust those Yoruba cowards.

Save your vitriol for your local village square gossip; also, try not to engage in debates that are above your intelligence.

Katsumoto:

Save your vitriol for your local village square gossip; also, try not to engage in debates that are above your intelligence.

Hush your mouth fool. Of course you would not understand Ikemba's motives for his support of IBB. Nor do you understand the monster, I mean game of politics. Before you come at me with your nonsense, do some research and understand that the likes of IBB and Abacha were subordinates to Ojukwu when he was the Army commander in Kano that people tend to forget.

EzeUche:

I support anything that would spite the Yoruba and help the Igbo. If IBB diverts funds to Igboland from Yorubaland out of the support we give and the love for his late wife kinsmen, then I support it.

Seeing how much the Yoruba hate IBB, I can only wonder if the man might prove valuable to the Igbo. You cannot trust those Yoruba cowards.

are you dumb what funds are going to yorubaland? fool
and yorubas dont hate IBB- Nigerians hate IBB!

sjeezy8:

are you dumb what funds are going to yorubaland? fool
and yorubas dont hate IBB- Nigerians hate IBB!

I don't think anyone should be attempting to debate with that bigot; he makes no sense and is only adept and skilled at throwing insults. He is from the 'things fall apart' era when everything ends with a 'i challenge you to a wrestling match'.

@Katsumoto: You asked

Are you stating that there are no credible leaders from the North? Are you insinuating that the murderer, drug dealer, thief IBB is the best the North can produce?

My answer to you is absolutely not. I'd prefer a contest without IBB. We should note however that a majority of the electorate will vote for IBB and do support him. The sad truth is that IBB will win in a free and fair election in Nigeria.

I hope other candidates come forth with their ideas soon, if not, IBB will run away with the presidency come 2011.

ndu_chucks:

@Katsumoto: You asked
My answer to you is absolutely not. I'd prefer a contest without IBB. We should note however that a majority of the electorate will vote for IBB and do support him. The sad truth is that IBB will win in a free and fair election in Nigeria.

I hope other candidates come forth with their ideas soon, if not, IBB will run away with the presidency come 2011.

IBB can only win an election in Niger state; you seem to be of the opinion that IBB is a widely liked person. We know the opposite is the case. IBB will only win the votes of those that are either interested in his money or who stand to benefit from his 'national cake-sharing' formula.

Katsumoto:

IBB can only win an election in Niger state; you seem to be of the opinion that IBB is a widely liked person. We know the opposite is the case. IBB will only win the votes of those that are either interested in his money or who stand to benefit from his 'national cake-sharing' formula.

Guys, I dont support IBB. Am not his fan or a supporter his motives.
BUT.
First IBB was in the home state of MKO for a programme sometime ago on OGD invitation and there were large group of people who received him well.
Secondly IBB was said to have attended Adenuga's daughter wedding, they were people who made him a first class guest.

Thirdly IBB has been going round the country to gather support for his dream project and the press are ever ready to air evrything he does.

Now Isnt it the right time for other candidates who also want to be president to the same IBB is doing?

You will all see them coming out some few months before election to campaign,
that I think is the major reason the masses will buy IBB's idea of becoming the president.

The funny aspect is that the people saying IBB shouldn't be president are the elites and probably they are trying to protect their selfish interest rather than the masses.

henry101:

Guys, I dont support IBB. Am not his fan or a supporter his motives.
BUT.
First IBB was in the home state of MKO for a programme sometime ago on OGD invitation and there were large group of people who received him well.
Secondly IBB was said to have attended Adenuga's daughter wedding, they were people who made him a first class guest.

Thirdly IBB has been going round the country to gather support for his dream project and the press are ever ready to air evrything he does.

Now Isnt it the right time for other candidates who also want to be president to the same IBB is doing?

You will all see them coming out some few months before election to campaign,
that I think is the major reason the masses will buy IBB's idea of becoming the president.

The funny aspect is that the people saying IBB shouldn't be president are the elites and probably they are trying to protect their selfish interest rather than the masses.

Does the above make sense to you? So because IBB was at functions that held no more than 1000 (i am being generous), it now translates to acceptance by by at 25 million in both Lagos and Ogun states.

So attending weddings and birthday parties now equates to political campaigning? IBB was the first to declare for the 2007 election but did he win? When did Yaradua declare?

So the elites don't want IBB but the masses want IBB because IBB served the interests of the masses when he was in power? How old are you? Have you ever lived in Nigeria? How old were you when you left Nigeria?

Your analysis is deeply flawed; stating that you are not a fan of IBB and then proceeding to deliver that post betrays your true feelings.

Katsumoto:

Does the above make sense to you? So because IBB was at functions that held no more than 1000 (i am being generous), it now translates to acceptance by by at 25 million in both Lagos and Ogun states.

So attending weddings and birthday parties now equates to political campaigning? IBB was the first to declare for the 2007 election but did he win? When did Yaradua declare?

So the elites don't want IBB but the masses want IBB because IBB served the interests of the masses when he was in power? How old are you? Have you ever lived in Nigeria? How old were you when you left Nigeria?

Your analysis is deeply flawed; stating that you are not a fan of IBB and then proceeding to deliver that post betrays your true feelings.

Katsumoto

What am saying is so simple to comprehend, IBB is getting the whole attention
Somebody needs to come out bold and do better than him.
Pls and pls, I dont support IBB, get it,

^^^^ or do u want someone who would come out and start talking trash few months before an election.
If u r interested in becoming a president of any country, U indicate by starting ur campaigns early not 3-4 months before an election.
I dont support IBB, I think I need to hit dis hard into ur skull.

~Bluetooth:

.the bottomline is that there was a contact between ojukwu and ibb.

So having a contact with IBB is now a crime? It wasnt to OBJ but it should be to Ojukwu?

~Bluetooth:

abeg free me with this your inconsistency theory.the story came from different sources

Am happy you saw the in consistencies in the different reports, but cos it did not suit u u will never accept it.

~Bluetooth:

,the least you can establish was that there was a familiarization visit to ojukwu

So cos there was a familiarization visit, anything IBB campign team tells the world must be the truth?

~Bluetooth:

ojukwu committed a blunder by dragging igbo tribe in between him and ibb matter.he's totally deluded if i must say.

Who are you quoting here? Chief Emeka Ani? Other members of IBB team? or the journalist ''who witnessed a closed door meeting?''

As in how he dragged the Igbo nation in b/w him and IBB

Again I don't know what is the big deal that Ojukwu is supporting IBB.  There were Yorubas, Igbos, Hausa/Fulani, that have been begging IBB to run for elections even before Ojukwu decided to endorse IBB.   So Ojukwu's actions should not been seen as representing all Igbos but some Igbos.  Just because Soyinka rejected IBB does not mean some Yorubas won't support IBB, afterall some of Abiola's own relatives have been endorsing  IBB even before the last presidential elections.  So if you all have a grip with Ojukwu fine, but don't now start pointing fingers at every single Igbo person.

Katsumoto:

IBB can only win an election in Niger state; you seem to be of the opinion that IBB is a widely liked person. We know the opposite is the case. IBB will only win the votes of those that are either interested in his money or who stand to benefit from his 'national cake-sharing' formula.

If IBB’s national cake-sharing formula trumps the shenanigans being prescribed by the former and current President of Nigeria, I should vote for him not once but twice.

Dede1:


If IBB’s national cake-sharing formula trumps the shenanigans being prescribed by the former and current President of Nigeria, I should vote for him not once but twice.

^^^Why dont u come try double voting in The United States u Ibo criminal??!^^^