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Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by lookingfly: 6:36am On May 07, 2018 |
brodalokie:the same word of God you're interpretation to suite yourself while the truth is staring us face to face when I read the word. I will never allow my self to be given a false interpretation by men but count on the Holy Spirit for he's interpretation and guidance. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by brodalokie: 6:38am On May 07, 2018 |
lookingfly: When do you receive the Holy Ghost? Let's discuss like Christians 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by djon78(m): 6:42am On May 07, 2018 |
Whoever doesn't pay tithe has not really known God well. Tithing is biblical, from old testament to the new testament. Moreover if you have the Spirit of the Living God abiding in you. You cannot doubt tithing, never. Because the Spirit of God will impress in your heart the truth about tithing. According to Romans 8:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. The true test of being God's son is simply are you led by the Spirit of God? Does your life show the characters of Christ? That is how you know where you belong. I pay my tithes and offerings. I have listened to this debate on tithing. I have searched the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation and the scriptures supports tithing. And there is blessing with tithing, yes there is. Even yesterday Sunday 6th May I paid my tithe in Church. And why this particular one was significant was on Saturday night I was contemplating to hold my tithe until I get my next income or financial overflow but one mind told me pay your tithe irrespective of the financial flow coming. So yesterday I obeyed. It was not palatable at all. When I came back from church, I got a call concerning another transaction, infact I wasn't expecting this particular transaction. I was due for this inflow 2 and half months ago. That is early March. Infact I have forgotten about it. I was expecting another transaction entirely. So I got that call back from church. And guess what? By 8pm last night the organization transferred very good cash alert to my account. I was astonished. I wasn't expecting that money, infact I have forgotten about the money. But my obedience to tithing, in not withholding God's money, I got a shock. I will keep on saying it, tithing is purely biblical and of God. On Saturday night while I was reading my Bible before I slept, I was reading John 6, I noticed some very important scripture, let me share it. In the beginning of that chapter Jesus Christ was ministering to a very large crowd of about 5 thousand men not counting women and children who were much more. The Lord Jesus wanted to feed them and He told the disciples that He wants to feed them. Then Philip answered the Lord; John 6:7 ► New International Version Philip answered him, "It would take more than half a year's wages to buy enough bread for each one to have a bite!" Phillip told the Lord that if it was to go by human strength of hustling, it will take more than half a year's wages to buy enough bread for each of the people to take a bite, not to be fully fed, but just to have a bite. Then how much would it have taken to fully fed them? What I saw from that scripture is that human toiling will never ever be enough to even satisfy man. But Jesus Christ by divine help fed those people and still had 12 basket full remaining. Likewise God is interested in every part of us including our finances. We must surrender every part of our being to Him. Majorly giving, tithing, giving to the poor, blessing people around us are ways He uses what we have surrendered to Him. And He in turn blesses us for our obedience. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by talk2percy(m): 6:44am On May 07, 2018 |
Look at him, criminal of the highest order! 2 Likes |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by talk2percy(m): 6:46am On May 07, 2018 |
Look at him, criminal of the highest order! Come and collect now...onye osi |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 7:00am On May 07, 2018 |
djon78: For the sake of truth and sincerity, kindly tell us what God's definition of tithe is... Is it monetary or on agro produce and cattle? |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 7:04am On May 07, 2018 |
If anyone reads Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 you will find out exactly what God wanted the Jews to tithe. You will also find out that eating of tithe is scriptural! Anyways, tithing never applied to the gentiles nor the Church to start with... So I don't know where this thief in suit is getting his revelation on tithing from... |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by kolawoleibukun: 7:06am On May 07, 2018 |
Iammercy2018:good question. they are trying to fool the gullible. do not mind them. they are the worst of all criminals. they are always hammering on tithe and property. give me give me. for what? what is the giving for. they will say the pastor is also caring for less priviledge for where? who and where are the people? eyes no day see them. they will say that the pastor doe snot need our money cos he sells books and has his own companies. so let him release his tax receipts so we will know his companies. and then we will no how much the church is expecting from his income as 10%. they will ask you to donate for a church project but they are buying expensive jets. they are all criminals 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by kolawoleibukun: 7:07am On May 07, 2018 |
OkaiCorne:from demons obviously. these Pentttecostal churches are the worst of all eeevils. 1 Like |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by kolawoleibukun: 7:11am On May 07, 2018 |
brodalokie:you re talking trarsh. you and ur pastors are crimeenals. broaddaylight robbers of the highest order. u deserve maximum sentence in a confined space. Jesus did not preach tithing and the apostles condemned it. the bible calls it a waste. it is useless. you are a Pharisee. u should diee if you do not change ur ways. u all will dieeee for the grievous sins that you commit. you are deceiving innocent souls with lies. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by brodalokie: 7:21am On May 07, 2018 |
kolawoleibukun: In the beginning was the word (Bible) and the word was with God and the word was God. For God is a Spirit and they that worship Him MUST worship Him in spirit and truth. One word against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this world and the next. If we apostles or even an angel from heaven preach something different from what we have preached before, let him be accursed. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by kolawoleibukun: 7:30am On May 07, 2018 |
brodalokie:so how does that relate to the lies that you are telling? you have just cursed urself just now. only u readin that verse only u cursing your self by telling lies about the tithe. are u going to explain to us why the apostle paul wrote those words to the Hebrews? all these things way Freeze day talk since u no day read am? if your oga pastor the omega fire and all them winners cannot defend the truth from Freeze, it shows that they are liars and false. u are the antichrist. you r a very deadly poison to Christianity. take ur nonsense and fly away fast fast. ediot. false prophets and peddlers of lies. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by brodalokie: 8:09am On May 07, 2018 |
kolawoleibukun: The Holy Spirit will deal with freeze if he is wrong and you too. If I am wrong may the Holy Spirit deal with me. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by Goodness4525: 8:20am On May 07, 2018 |
IF someone call the average citizens of this nation an educated illiterate now it will looks an insult, but imagine Nigerians readingdifferent lessons from it , which had led to the greatest confusion ever among the so called Christian which I think does not happen among the Western world so critically looking at Nigerians predicament u will see that our problems among others is lack of education, Note:many can claim to be certified but we all no certificate can be gotten by the least person provided u can pay the price |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by kolawoleibukun: 8:26am On May 07, 2018 |
brodalokie:it is dealing with you already. ur full generation is a disgrace. una go day diee one by one if una no change una ways. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by brodalokie: 8:30am On May 07, 2018 |
kolawoleibukun: We'll see... |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by vjohnson: 9:31am On May 07, 2018 |
You people can't deceive us Again. Thieves 2 Likes |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by djon78(m): 1:54pm On May 07, 2018 |
OkaiCorne: What kind of question are you asking? The inflow I got was it not monetary? All dealings I do and almost every body does this day is it not monetary. We are not in olden times where transactions were trade by bater, cowries, coins etc. Transactions in the world today is purely financial that's why we have money, Central Bank, Banks, and other financial agencies. All the transactions we do today is monetary and it is regulated by government. So I just don't understand why you will be asking such questions. And that is why the beast talked about in the book of revelation will be able to control everything. According to revelation none will buy or sell if he has not received the mark of the beast. Today government through central banks, banks, and majorly for Nigeria, Bvn, all your financial transactions are completely regulated. In addition people should focus on the most important thing the Salvation of their souls. Do you have Jesus Christ as your true saviour. Because that's the only guarantee of your eternity. Man is eternal, man is not just body. And only surrendering to the Lordship of Jesus Christ your life is assured. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 2:27pm On May 07, 2018 |
djon78: I am asking you for what God specifically said should be tithed. Was money part of titheable items? If you want to go by the "olden days" argument... remember that the children of Israel used gold to create a golden calf.... Did God ask for gold or silver or money as part of the things to be tithed? |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by gwama: 3:36pm On May 07, 2018 |
Some pastors are no longer afraid to ridicule themselves as they add to their own interests. Or we are Jews, or we are Christians. The end of time is near. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 5:21pm On May 07, 2018 |
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 22 Thou shalt give the tithe of all the increase of thy seed, that cometh forth of the field year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God (in the place which he shall choose to cause his Name to dwell there) the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstborn of thy kine, and of thy sheep, that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it, because the place is far from thee, where the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name, when the Lord thy God shall bless thee, 25 Then shalt thou make it in money, and take the money in thine hand, and go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose. 26 And thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thine heart desireth: whether it be ox, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatsoever thine heart desireth: and shalt eat it there before the Lord thy God, and rejoice, both thou, and thine household. 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates, shalt thou not forsake: for he hath neither part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithes of thine increase of the same year, and lay it up within thy gates. 29 Then the Levite shall come, because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, and shall eat, and be filled, that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. DEAR ALL, PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF DEUTERONOMY 14 V 26 - Tithes were eaten by tithers in the presence of the Lord... But a certain fraudster and thief in suit is saying that if you eat tithe (which was never monetary by the way), you will die quick... May it never be well with liars and deceivers on the pulpit! |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by djon78(m): 5:54pm On May 07, 2018 |
OkaiCorne: The main issue is that majority of you are not logical at all. That's why argument is not advised. Farmers who do agriculture which is the foremost and the profession that has been practiced around the world and in Nigeria for thousands of years. Farming today is strictly financial. Example in this present Buharis regime, price of food has increased in Nigeria and around the world. My background is business and management Some of the wealthiest companies in the World today Trade in commodities which includes agriculture products like corn, beans, soya, wheat, sugar, etc. Someone like Dangote his wealth is a lot from trading in commodities. The global population is increasing therefore price of food is high because of demand. Even our local farmers in the village all do their transactions solely monetary. I won't address this issue again but most of you should talk with facts and truths. In the old times they tithe according to the practice then because that was what was available. Today every transaction done in our world is money. I go to work and at the end of the month I am paid money for the job I did. I do business in agriculture, importation, manufacturing etc what I get at the end is simply money. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 6:03pm On May 07, 2018 |
djon78: This is what I hate the most. When the truth is written simply in black and white, people will still go around to twist it and bend it to suit their views. God never asked for money or gold or silver as part of the things to be tithed. Even after the prosperous era of Solomon where silver was as common as stones in Israel, the basis of what should be tithed never shifted from crops and livestock to gold and silver or money! Ever wondered why Jesus was making reference to herbs and mints in the garden of the Pharisees as opposed to gold/silver in Matthew 23 v23? Read the next 6 posts I will make on this thread carefully and see how the Jews tithed according to God's instruction... (and not what they were thinking)...then tell me where tithes were paid monetarily via gold or silver or money |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 6:05pm On May 07, 2018 |
Tithes in Judaism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Tithing in the Temple The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor. Every year, Bikkurim, Terumah, Ma'aser Rishon and Terumat Ma'aser were separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). Initially, the commandment to separate tithes from one's produce only applied when the entire nation of Israel had settled in the Land of Israel. The Returnees from the Babylonian exile who had resettled the country were a Jewish minority, and who, although they were not obligated to tithe their produce, put themselves under a voluntary bind to do so, and which practice became obligatory upon all. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 6:06pm On May 07, 2018 |
Terumah (Heave-offering) The first obligation that was incumbent upon an Israelite or Jew was to separate from his harvested grain (wheat, barley, spelt, etc.), wine (including unpressed grapes) and oil (including unpressed olives) the one-fiftieth portion of these products (or one-fortieth, if he were a man of generosity; and one-sixtieth if he were stingy) and to give the same to a man of Aaron's lineage (priestly stock), who, in turn, would eat such fruits in a state of ritual cleanness, in accordance with a biblical command, "...and let him not eat of the holy things, until he bathes his flesh in water. And when the sun goes down down, he will be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things because it is his food" (Leviticus 22:6). This obligation was contingent upon the fact that such fruits grew in the Land of Israel. Later, the Rabbis made it an obligation to do the same for all fruits and vegetables grown in the Land of Israel, and not only to such fruits as grain, grapes and olives. With the destruction of the Temple and the cessation of ritual purity, the obligation to separate the Terumah continued unabated, although it was no longer given to a priest of Aaron's lineage, since bodily defilement was now pervasive. The general practice after the Temple's destruction was to separate the Terumah from all fruits and vegetables by removing even the slightest portion thereof, and to immediately discard it by burial or some other means of disposal (since it can no longer be eaten in the current state of ritual uncleanness, and those doing so would make themselves liable to extirpation). |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 6:06pm On May 07, 2018 |
First tithe The first tithe is giving of one tenth of the remaining agricultural produce (after removing from the produce the standard Terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites. Approximately at the beginning of the Second Temple construction, Ezra and his Beth din implemented its giving to the kohanim. The Levites, also known as the Tribe of Levi, were descendants of Levi. They were assistants to the Aaronic priests (who were the children of Aaron and, therefore, a subset of the Tribe of Levi) and did not own or inherit a territorial patrimony (Numbers 18:21-28). Their function in society was that of temple functionaries, teachers and trusted civil servants who supervised the weights and scales and witnessed agreements. The goods donated from the other Israeli tribes were their source of sustenance. They received from "all Israel" a tithe of food or livestock for support, and in turn would set aside a tenth portion of that tithe (known as the Terumat hamaaser) for the Aaronic priests. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 6:07pm On May 07, 2018 |
Second tithe Unlike other offerings which were restricted to consumption within the tabernacle, the second tithe could be consumed anywhere within the Walls of Jerusalem. On years one, two, four and five of the Shemittah-cycle, God commanded the Children of Israel to take a second tithe that was to be brought to the place of the Temple (Deuteronomy 14:23). The owner of the produce was to separate and bring 1/10 of his finished produce to the Old City of Jerusalem, after separating Terumah and the first tithe, but if the family lived too far from Jerusalem, the tithe could be redeemed upon coins (Deuteronomy 14:24-25). Then, the Bible required the owner of the redeemed coins to spend the tithe "to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish" (Deuteronomy 14:26). Implicit in the commandment was an obligation to spend the coins on items meant for human consumption. Poor man's tithe In years three and six of the Shemittah-cycle the Israelites set aside the (second) tithe instead as the poor tithe, and it was given to the strangers, orphans, and widows. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 6:07pm On May 07, 2018 |
Terumat maaser Terumat hamaaser was given by the Levite to the Kohen, and was one-tenth of what the Levite had received of the First-tithe. It is alluded to in the Hebrew Bible under the words, "a tithe (tenth) of the tithe" (Numbers 18:26). It, too, was considered Terumah, and was eaten by priests in a state of ritual cleanness. Today, the Terumat maaser is discarded because of general uncleanness, just as the Terumah is now discarded. Demai Demai (Mishnaic Hebrew: דמאי) is a Halakhic term meaning "dubious," referring to agricultural produce, the owner of which was not trusted with regard to the correct separation of the tithes assigned to the Levites, although the terumah (the part designated unto priests) was believed to have been separated from such fruits. In such "dubious" cases, all that was necessary was to separate the one-tenth portion due to the priests from the First Tithe given to the Levites, being the 1/100th part of the whole. The Second Tithe is also removed (redeemed) from the fruit in such cases of doubt. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 6:08pm On May 07, 2018 |
Places that require tithing The criterion for determining what places require the tithing of produce is any place within the country that was held by the Returnees from the Babylonian exile, as defined in the "Baraita of the Boundaries" of the Land of Israel;although today the land might be held by a different entity, or else worked by non-Jews, produce grown in those places would still require the separation of tithes when they come into the hand of an Israelite or Jew. Tithes are broken-off during the Sabbatical year (such as when the ground lies fallow), during which year, all fruits, grains and vegetables that are grown of themselves in that year are considered free and ownerless property. For example, whatever lands were held by those returning from the Babylonian exile at the time of Ezra are forbidden to be ploughed and sown by any Jew during the Seventh year, and even if gentiles were to plough such land and sow it, the produce would be forbidden unto Jews to eat. On the other hand, the extension of such lands held by the people of Israel who departed Egypt and who entered the Land of Canaan under their leader, Joshua, are forbidden to be ploughed by any Jew during the Seventh year, but if gentiles had ploughed such land and sown it, the produce is permitted to be eaten by a Jew. If on a regular week-year, fruits and grains and vegetables, if grown by an Israelite in these places, would require tithing. |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 6:09pm On May 07, 2018 |
Cattle tithe An additional tithe mentioned in the Book of Leviticus (27:32-33) is the cattle tithe, which is to be sacrificed as a korban at the Temple in Jerusalem. Ma'aser kesafim Ma'aser kesafim is a tithe that Jews give to charity (tzedakah), something that is done on a voluntary basis, as this practice has not been regulated in Jewish codes of law. HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THESE...I'M STILL AT A LOSS AS TO WHERE THE CHURCH GOT IT'S DOCTRINE OF OBLIGATORY MONETARY TITHING FROM IF GOD HAS CLEARLY INSTRUCTED WHAT SHOULD BE TITHED, WHY DISOBEY GOD TO FOLLOW THE DOCTRINES OF GREEDY MEN? |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by djon78(m): 6:21pm On May 07, 2018 |
That's why I said you people argue without logic. The Bible was written by inspiration of God. To interpret the scriptures you don't just quote things. What is God saying about it by His spirit indwelling in a believer. Even during Jesus times, money was already been used. Taxes were paid to Roman Empire, that was why when they came asking him to pay his and his disciples tax, he instructed one of his disciples to go and catch a fish. To open it's mouth and see money to pay their tax. In today's Jewish synagogues do they tithe? yes And what do they tithe with? Is it not money? Does anyone of them tithe with agricultural products in today's world. Why is it that Jess today control a huge part of global money? Why are they good in finance, handling of money? |
Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor: "Eat Your Tithe And Die Quick" by OkaiCorne(m): 6:30pm On May 07, 2018 |
djon78: I am still asking where God instructed tithes to be paid with money. If your argument is because money was not in use back in the days, then tell us what the Israelites used to create the GOLDEN calf...and why God didn't ask for gold or silver or money as part of the things to be tithed. Unless you know more than God who gave the instruction on tithing...the feel free to add to His words... |
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