And what is Chinyen talking about? Which 1 be cultural or political motivation?

rhymz:

Inferiority Complex because she fears that she might not be able to prove her igboness before other igbo due to her lack of knowledge of her history hence the easy escape route of claiming to be a different igbo or non-igbo to cover up her lack. If you say you are not igbo, then give us the historical antecedent rather than bandy ordinary words not based on history.

Okwu.

Udezue, na simple question. . . yu no fit ansa?

This is going to get a little more complicated. . . I'll have to think carefully about how I word my posts from here on in. . .

rhymz:

Inferiority Complex because she fears that she might not be able to prove her igboness before other igbo due to her lack of knowledge of her history hence the easy escape route of claiming to be a different igbo(1) or non-igbo to cover up her lack. If you say you are not igbo(2), then give us the historical antecedent rather than bandy ordinary words not based on history.

1. Is she the same Igbo?
2. "Igbo" refers to two related, but different things (culture & identity). I would assume that you're referring to culture and not identity. . but I'd rather not work off assumption. So, now my question is, of those two, which are you referring to?

Chinyen, I no fit ansa coz I no understand where u coming from and tryna get to. Who is being motivated?

ChinenyeN:

Udezue, na simple question. . . yu no fit ansa?

This is going to get a little more complicated. . . I'll have to think carefully about how I word my posts from here on in. . .1. Is she the same Igbo?
2. "Igbo" refers to two related, but different things (culture & identity). I would assume that you're referring to culture and not identity. . but I'd rather not work off assumption. So, now my question is, of those two, which are you referring to?

Chinenye, it seems you a Deltan Igbo man pretending to be Ngwa. When posters refer to the Delta Igbo girl or people, you are the one to jump to their defence. I have not seen a delta Igbo responding on behalf of NdiNgwa.
Posters have accused Ndi Delta Igbo of identity crisis and lacking in coplex, it is left for them to respond. Please stop being their mouthpiece, it is annoying.
We are here to learn from them and them learn from us. PLEASE STOP IT.

I just hope this doesn't become more complicated than it needs to be. . . Let me rephrase my question, Udezue. Why the persistence among Igbo east of the Niger, in asserting Igboness on those in Delta? Is it political or cultural, or both?

Here.We.Go.Again. Please, don't insult me Andre. I know you to be better than that. Also, don't assume I'm jumping to anyone's defense. I am only asking [what I feel are necessary] questions. I am not being a mouthpiece for anyone. I'm here to see if I can clarify the argument of both sides. So now, consider this, since only one side seems to be actively participating in this discussion, to where do you think my questions for clarification will be addressed? Please, Andre, don't turn this into what it doesn't need to be. Now, if you don't mind, you can also further participate by answering the questions I posed to rhymz. If you'd rather not, just say so.

Chinenye
Your question seem to me like you are splitting hair, trying to raise issues where there are none. How is culture and Identity different, what does that even mean? Culture is actually identity. Arts, customs, traditions, beliefs and language are all shared identity of a culture. Now tell me, do these so-called delta or whatever igbos have any proof of a different culture and Identity different from igbos in the far east? Are you trying to tell me that if Delta state was in the east, the issues Delta igbo will arise? What exactly is the difference btw an Anambra igbo and an Imo Igbo? Or you think they are not different because the two states are in the SE and predominantly igbo? Is this a case of brainwashing? So let me understand, if after 50yrz igbos in Lagos undergo some kind of evolution and speak a slightly different igbo, and have other cultural influence in the west incoporated into their main culture, they become less of igbos, or it will be wrong to see them as igbos? Chinenye let us stop this cat and rat game, U and I know the feelings of inadequacy in the ppl that make such claims. Give us proof that you are different not some statement of convenience that lacks depth and understanding.

Rhymz, to avoid over-complicating this discussion, I will not address your post because you have multiple, different, but related arguments all meshed up into one, and addressing that leaves too much room for ambiguity, misinterpretation, assumption and misunderstanding (all of which, I am trying to avoid). So, do kindly answer the two questions I posed, and will pose, because in answering those, we can maintain clarity and understanding as well as address the arguments in your post.

So, again, do kindly answer the questions I posed, unless of course, you'd rather not. Then, in that case, just simply state that you'd rather not.

This discussion doesn't have to be made into more than it needs to be.

It is not my fault that you cant understand complex concept. Let us call it end here, you can be sure this will be my last post to you too, I don't do authoritarian arguement, unless I tell you what you want to hear. .

ChinenyeN:

*amaa osnu* socio-cultural synonymy does not equal socio-political synonymy.

the fault of the above statements is too glaring.this issue is non-existent between eastern igbos and delta igbos.this can only apply in the case of kwara yorubas who are more or less northerners by politics.the delta igbos are always reffered to as non deltans in delta state.google the phrase ''core delta'' and you would understand.the kwara yorubas have produced the chairman arewa(acf) in the person of sunday awoniyi.the chairman of ohaneze is a delta igbo.in a situation where ngwa is added to akwa-ibom,would it cease being related to mbaise?

Abagworo, I understand what you're getting at.

Rhymz, I've so far, only asked questions. I haven't presented a case for or against either side. So I don't understand how you could be thinking that I'm arguing anything. I'm only interested in people addressing my questions. They aren't difficult, are they? Oh well. You said you wouldn't reply, so I guess I can turn my direction to anyone else bold and willing enough to answer my simple questions.

Thanks for your time though.

ChinenyeN:

Abagworo, of course not, but does that make Ngwa and Mbaise the same people, though? I see what you're getting at, though.

that is the fault of these claims.you can say ngwa and mbaise are not thesame but they are both igbos.some delta igbos attempt homogenising the entire igbos in the east.an afikpoman has nothing in common with an ngwa except the fact that they are both different versions of igbo.so is it with ukwuani,aniocha,ahaba,ibusa and ika.

Okay, I may end up actually being dragged into this argument, which is what I don't want. I have my own understanding on this issue, based off observation, readings and questioning, but I'm not here to present my understanding. Instead, I'm here to question both sides of this argument.

Chinenye, with due respect to you, I do not intend to insult you. If you find my post to you offensive, then I hereby apologise. I still maintain that most of the issues raised and questions asked is for our brothers across the Niger.
One of them came here spilling crap how they are not one with their brothers across the east. I strongly feel she and some of them with same belief should defend their bloody 'ass'ez'.
I strongly believe that if someone from Delta Igbo region tells me that he is not too sure if he is Igbo because when his father died, they buried him facing Bini. To me that person has an identity crises.
This thread is inviting them to come and clarify their identity. Not those who do not have identity crises such as Ngwa people. Unless you have such, which I doubt.

No worries, Andre, and thanks for clarifying.

Chinyen,
Ur question makes it seem like only far East Igbos are the only asserting their Igboness. The last time I checked Ohanaeze is headed by an Igbo from Delta so please was the position imposed on him by Igbos in the far East? In our organization we have Delta Igbo and Ikwerre members and thanx to that we are actually going to meet with an Ikwerre group for some support so tell me is that an imposition? When u ask if its cultural or political are u being silly or serious? If you are black and you are denying being black most black people will vehemently show their disapproval just for the fact that u are clearly black so I don't know what u mean by that. There is no motivation to me. If ur name is Igbo and u speak an Igboid dialect u are simply Igbo of whatever extraction. Just like some1 pointed out that if u move to even Alaska and ur Igbo undergoes some changes u are still Igbo regardless.

Ugh. All these neck-breaking speeches for two simple questions. . .

This thread is already heaving with repititive lethargic questions. Where are the so-called delta igbo, ikwere igbo and bendel igbo let us hear their own perspective, no need asking thesame questions in different form and going round and round, it is kind of childish, boring and lacks intellectual dynamism. All we have been doing so far is giving similar answers to a recurring but thesame lame question and quite frankly, it is boring and tiring.

Achi.

rhymz:

This thread is already heaving with repititive lethargic questions. Where are the so-called delta igbo, ikwere igbo and bendel igbo let us hear their own perspective, no need asking thesame questions in different form and going round and round, it is kind of childish, boring and lacks intellectual dynamism. All we have been doing so far is giving similar answers to a recurring but thesame lame question and quite frankly, it is boring and tiring.

My wife is Rivers Igbo from Ikwerre. She as well as her family are proud Igbo.

Which reminds me, Andre, oyinda, since your wife is Ikwere, that oyi, in oyinda is it pronounced "aw-yii" or "oh-yee"? And what's the tone pattern?

Andre
Thank you very much for re-asserting that jare. That is exactly my point, people who have a better understanding of their ancestral history don't spend time splitting hair and making statements that wreaks of insecurity or not being sure of your root. It is just like the arguement of some ppl black ppl taking offense when you address them as African Americans, they would rather you called them black Americans but that does not take away the facts that they actually ve their roots in Africa and so are Africans. Until recently, I did not my neighbour was igbo, the ones in the boarder between enugu and benue, the wife was clearly benue but the husband I was not sure. Not until he had boy child and named him chukwuemeka, I asked him and he told me he was igbo, I did not believe until I heard him one speak his local dialect to a relation did not sound like your normal anambra or imo states igbo but it had many igbo elements in it. And funny enough, the man could speak the general igbo lang very well too.

ChinenyeN:

Which reminds me, Andre, oyinda, since your wife is Ikwere, that oyi, in oyinda is it pronounced "aw-yii" or "oh-yee"? And what's the tone pattern?

My Ikwere is not good. But have learnt a little bit from my LOOLO. Oyi pronounced as yi. just Iheoma, she calls it heoma. I think I should learn more from her. Why is your wife from, if at all you are married?. Do not be offended, Wa afo.

rhymz:

Andre
Thank you very much for re-asserting that jare. That is exactly my point, people who have a better understanding of their ancestral history don't spend time splitting hair and making statements that wreaks of insecurity or not being sure of your root. It is just like the arguement of some ppl black ppl taking offense when you address them as African Americans, they would rather you called them black Americans but that does not take away the facts that they actually ve their roots in Africa and so are Africans. Until recently, I did not my neighbour was igbo, the ones in the boarder between enugu and benue, the wife was clearly benue but the husband I was not sure. Not until he had boy child and named him chukwuemeka, I asked him and he told me he was igbo, I did not believe until I heard him one speak his local dialect to a relation did not sound like your normal anambra or imo states igbo but it had many igbo elements in it. And funny enough, the man could speak the general igbo lang very well too.

During my traditional marriage in Ikwerreland, there was nothing to show that I was marrying outside Igboland. The opening prayer and closing prayers were said in Igbo language. The blessing of Aji as they call it were done in Igbo language as well.

At the peak of the activities, my wife was giving wine to come and search for me. The same way it was done when my sister got married.
The M.C of the day , an Ikwerreman but spoke in Igbo all through.

Okay, that "yi" then, what does your wife say it means? I'm trying to ascertain the true meaning of Oyinda, if it is an Ikwere name. And no, I'm not married. Not 25 yet, but I'm looking toward Ngwa, Ndoki, Echee or Ikwere or Mbaise for when that time comes.

@chinenyen.oyinda is one of those names that abound in many languages.oyinda might be some dialects of yoruba or igbo.''like father'' in ikwerre.''oyi'' is to look like while ''nda'' is father.other names like this are chinda,amanda,ola,okoya,akpoyibo,yinka,ngozi,chiluba,mboma,eto,oti,udo,ojo,orisa,obasi and countless more.they could pass for igbo or some other african language

Abagworo, that's what I've always known it to be, but Udezue and Andre have said otherwise, several times, so I just had to make sure. Thank you.

Andre Uweh is telling me that Ikwerre people are proud Ndigbo. Nothing can be farther from the truth. They are even worse than the confused Ika and Kwale people. These people did not go to the abominable length of changing the Igbo names of their towns and villages. Tell me something else.

ChinenyeN:

And no, I'm not married. Not 25 yet, but I'm looking toward Ngwa, Ndoki, Echee or Ikwere or Mbaise for when that time comes.

funny, i'd have thought you'd marry a white or AA woman.

you dont seem like the type of person who'd go home to get a wife though i could of course be wrong.

Tpia, in a way, you're correct. I wouldn't necessarily go home to find a wife, as in, traveling back to Naija. Instead, my attention would be focused on US-residing girls from home. It just makes more sense to me, that way. *shrug*

If though, I happen to go home for whatever reason, and find a girl I want to marry, then I'm ok with that as well.

ChinenyeN:

Which reminds me, Andre, oyinda, since your wife is Ikwere, that oyi, in oyinda is it pronounced "aw-yii" or "oh-yee"? And what's the tone pattern?

I can confirm, Oyinda as a name, she has not heard of such. But they have names as NNENDA. According to her there is oyi in Ikwerre dialect which they use as girlfriend. Enyi is friend as in other Igbo areas. But let me not derail this topic.