hopefulLandlord:


Politics is testable, verifiable and falsifiable. everything religious nonsense is not

politics have killed more and is testable, alright, good night...

long time bro.

Vianna:
In a recorded tape, Jones urged Temple members to commit "revolutionary suicide". Such an act had been planned by the Temple before and, according to Jonestown defectors, its theory was "you can go down in history, saying you chose your own way to go, and it is your commitment to refuse capitalism and in support of socialism." This happened after US Congressman Leo Ryan traveled to Guyana to inspect the Peoples Temple’s activities and the Jonestown compound. Some members of the peoples temple attacked Ryan, killing him.in the process. This prompted Jones to order his members to march outside and drink a concoction of cyanide, Valium and chloral hydrate. Surprisingly and shockingly, they all did.

hey. are you an atheist?

Vianna:

Thanks. Even in the link he provided, it was clearly written he was an ordained pastor. Whether he later converted to atheism, what is known is that he was a pastor and he established the peoples temple which he used to gather followers. However I've changed the topic from "man of God " to "religious leader". That should ease his vexation. Dominique lalasticlala

Your topic should read, " Atheist who used religion for mass suicide" or "religious atheist who caused mass suicide".

That would be the truth because Jim Jones confessed to being an atheist with his own mouth and also confessed with his own mouth that he was USING religion to push his Marxist agenda.

Marxism is equal to Atheism.

Butterflyleo:



OP you have your information wrong. Jim Jones was an atheist and was not a so called religious leader.

This is from his wikipedia page.




And also from reddit which happens to be an atheist forum, they confirmed it.




Next time do your research well before posting false information. He was a Marxist and Marxists are atheists. He had been influenced strongly by Communism and this brought about this very terrible case of a mass suicide.

He was not a religious fanatic. He was an atheist fanatic.

Thread should have end here.

Atheists sure love lying. This was just another atheist fanatic leading a massacre. He was no different than the rest of the other atheist fanatics. Their hearts are all the same.

Atheists need to get out their delusion that atheism is the solution, instead it's the problem.

malvisguy212:
politics have killed more and is testable, alright, good night..

Your post I replied was asking if we should abandon politics or "find the right formula"

That part in quote was what I was really addressing, we can test political methods then get rid of destructive ones if we establish that well-being and progress of the people is what we are after

With this in mind we can try military methods, see the destruction is wrought then try democracy, theocracy, kleptocracy etc

Religion has no such basis as there's no even playing ground to start unless we guess what each religion is trying to achieve. for all we know Jainism (most peaceful religion in the world) could be the correct formula. Al Qaeda could be the "correct formula" no matter how destructive and ruining it appears to be. This is what I mean when I say testability, verifiability and falsifiability. so while Nigeria saw that military isn't giving her what she wanted, she dumped it and is right now trying democracy. which means she's tested and falsified military, religion has no such basis

long time bro.

You too brother

Butterflyleo:


Your topic should read, " Atheist who used religion for mass suicide" or "religious atheist who caused mass suicide".

That would be the truth because Jim Jones confessed to being an atheist with his own mouth and also confessed with his own mouth that he was USING religion to push his Marxist agenda.

Marxism is equal to Atheism.

Once a religious leader, always a religious leader. If adeboye should convert to atheism today, what will he be remembered for ? A religious leader and the millions of followers he was able to bend to his will. As an atheist, if he committed the same crime as jones what would the caption read? Definitely " Pastor ordered......" or "A man of God......" Or "A religious leader...."

Vianna:

Once a religious leader, always a religious leader. If adeboye should convert to atheism today, what will he be remembered for ? A religious leader and the millions of followers he was able to bend to his will. As an atheist, if he committed the same crime as jones what would the caption read? Definitely " Pastor ordered......" or "A man of God......" Or "A religious leader...."

You are being clearly deceptive and deliberately lying and twisting the truth perhaps due to your rather shallow levels of understanding.

If a Pastor or religious leader confesses with his own mouth that he is now an atheist, that becomes his new status.

Atheism and Divinity which Pastors profess and preach about do not mix and that was why I asked the other guy to post any message Jim Jones preached in 1977 AFTER HE OPENLY CONFESSED TO BEING AN ATHEIST IN 1976.

I also task you with the same assignment. You can paste even one and I will shut up.

When people make misleading captions despite the person confessing to now being someone else then its clear mischief and wrong.

1) Did Jim Jones not confess to becoming an atheist in 1976?

2) Did his wife not confirm same in 1977?

3) Did Jim Jones not say that his congregation were 90% atheists as at 1976/1977?

4) Did he not say with his own mouth that he was USING religion as a cover to push his Marxist agenda?

5) Is Marxism not Atheism?

6) Is Marxism not the bedrock for communism which Jim Jones propagated as his tool of persuasion towards his congregation in order to turn them to atheists as he was?

If he confessed to becoming an atheist in 1976 and his wife confirmed it in 1977 and he went ahead to orchestrate this mass suicide in 1978, based on the dates will you call him a man of God or an Atheist as at the time of the mass suicide?

Stop being a liar and a deceiver.

Butterflyleo:


You are being clearly deceptive and deliberately lying and twisting the truth perhaps due to your rather shallow levels of understanding.

If a Pastor or religious leader confesses with his own mouth that he is now an atheist, that becomes his new status.

Atheism and Divinity which Pastors profess and preach about do not mix and that was why I asked the other guy to post any message Jim Jones preached in 1977 AFTER HE OPENLY CONFESSED TO BEING AN ATHEIST IN 1976.

I also task you with the same assignment. You can paste even one and I will shut up.

When people make misleading captions despite the person confessing to now being someone else then its clear mischief and wrong.

1) Did Jim Jones not confess to becoming an atheist in 1976?

2) Did his wife not confirm same in 1977?

3) Did Jim Jones not say that his congregation were 90% atheists as at 1976/1977?

4) Did he not say with his own mouth that he was USING religion as a cover to push his Marxist agenda?

5) Is Marxism not Atheism?

6) Is Marxism not the bedrock for communism which Jim Jones propagated as his tool of persuasion towards his congregation in order to turn them to atheists as he was?

If he confessed to becoming an atheist in 1976 and his wife confirmed it in 1977 and he went ahead to orchestrate this mass suicide in 1978, based on the dates will you call him a man of God or an Atheist as at the time of the mass suicide?

Stop being a liar and a deceiver.

I'm not a liar and a deceiver. Jones was a man of God. The people he convinced to kill themselves had been following right from when he started his ministry. Google is there for you. Hundreds of books written in his name is there for you. Before they committed that suicide, where were they all? They were at the "peoples temple" aka peoples temple of the deciples of Christ.

Where did the 900+ people who Jones convince die? The peoples temple of Christ.

Who was Jones to those victims? Their religious leader.

What did Jones preach? He preached christianity with socialist ideas.

hopefullandlord malvisguy212 Dominique gavelslam

Vianna:

I'm not a liar and a deceiver. Jones was a man of God. The people he convinced to kill themselves had been following right from when he started his ministry. Google is there for you. Hundreds of books written in his name is there for you. Before they committed that suicide, where were they all? They were at the "peoples temple" aka peoples temple of the deciples of Christ.

Where did the 900+ people who Jones convince die? The peoples temple of Christ.

Who was Jones to those victims? Their religious leader.

What did Jones preach? He preached christianity with socialist ideas.

hopefullandlord malvisguy212 Dominique gavelslam

I repeat YOU ARE A LIAR AND DECEIVER. This is from the same wikipedia about Jim Jones specifically and it clearly shows he was also a deceptive atheist and in several ways shares the same deception you are pushing here.

Read the screengrabs. If you need the aid of spectacles then go get one and put them on so that you can see clearly what you are reading.

Again

As the deceptive atheist he was, he needed a big enough platform which he could use to demonstrate his Marxism and the only platform big enough was the religious one so he decided to INFILTRATE the church. I hope you know what the word INFILTRATE means.

He was already a communist aka atheist but was a a closet atheist. It wasn't until the 1970s that he became more vocal about his atheism and it was shortly after this confession by him that he orchestrated this mass suicide.

He was an atheist and his wikipedia page attests to this.

How you came about twisting what is in black and white to claim he is a man of God is pure insanity and clear deception.

FROM THE LAST SCREENGRAB YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE WHERE IT STATES THAT HE CITED MAO ZEDONG AS HIS INSPIRATION.

WHO WAS MAO ZEDONG? HE WAS AN ATHEIST WHO ALSO ORCHESTRATED THE GREATEST DEATHS AND MURDERS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. IT WAS BECAUSE OF MAO ZEDONG THAT THE WORD DEMOCIDE CAME ABOUT DUE TO THE HUGE NUMBERS OF DEATHS AND MURDERS THAT OCCURED UNDER HIS ATHEISTIC HANDS.

RECORDS SHOW HE PUT TO DEATH OR MURDERED BETWEEN 60MILLION TO 80MILLION PEOPLE DURING HIS REGIME.

THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO HIS ATHEISTIC / MARXIST IDEOLOGY.

Notice that Mao Zedong was also a Marxist same as Jim Jones and this was why I told you that Marxism and Atheism are two inseparable ideologies.

Vianna:

I'm not a liar and a deceiver. Jones was a man of God. The people he convinced to kill themselves had been following right from when he started his ministry. Google is there for you. Hundreds of books written in his name is there for you. Before they committed that suicide, where were they all? They were at the "peoples temple" aka peoples temple of the deciples of Christ.

Where did the 900+ people who Jones convince die? The peoples temple of Christ.

Who was Jones to those victims? Their religious leader.

What did Jones preach? He preached christianity with socialist ideas.

hopefullandlord malvisguy212 Dominique gavelslam

Understand pastor butterflyleo ma'am . He'll never agree. From my own best of knowledge, Jim Jones was a pastor too. Because of his bad deeds, religious extremists like butterflyleo will never accept him as a pastor. Rather focus on claims he later converted to atheism. Conversion or not, he took advantage of his influence as a pastor/ religious leader to convince people into commuting suicide.

Hujosi:

Understand pastor butterflyleo ma'am . He'll never agree. From my own best of knowledge, Jim Jones was a pastor too. Because of his bad deeds, religious extremists like butterflyleo will never accept him as a pastor. Rather focus on claims he later converted to atheism. Conversion or not, he took advantage of his influence as a pastor/ religious leader to convince people into commuting suicide.

This has absolutely nothing to do with his "bad deeds" but had everything to do with the true facts which are direct from the mouth of Jim Jones himself.

Even his wikipedia page shows everything as I have screengrabbed some and pasted here.

He was a deceiver right from the start. He was a Marxist from the start who sought to find a platform to use and give a voice to his Marxist agenda and found it in the church despite already being an atheist.

He deceived his way into the hearts and minds of his followers.

He confessed with his own mouth of being an atheist in 1976. His own wife said her husband was using religion to free the religious from the opiate of religion.

In other words he was deceiving the people that he was religious just so he can hit them where it hurts the most and he succeeded when he eventually convinced them all to commit mass suicide.

He was a fan of Mao Zedong who was also a murderous Marxist atheist with about 80million deaths on his hands.

Anyone who thinks because he was ordained in 1956 as a pastor and wishes to use that to cover up the fact that Jim Jones himself confessed to being an atheist in 1976 and that 90% of his congregation were also atheists and that he also said with his own mouth that God does not exist and he does not believe in the existence of a loving God and that anyone who believes in a sky daddy in the sky is foolish and that heaven isn't real and still want to retain his man of God status DESPITE JIM JONES HIMSELF CONFESSING TO THE NON EXISTENCE OF GOD, then that person is clearly a deceiver along with Jim Jones and the likes of him.

Can someone be called a man of God even when he himself confessed that there is no God? Which God is he then a man of?

Butterflyleo:


This has absolutely nothing to do with his "bad deeds" but had everything to do with the true facts which are direct from the mouth of Jim Jones himself.

Even his wikipedia page shows everything as I have screengrabbed some and pasted here.

He was a deceiver right from the start. He was a Marxist from the start who sought to find a platform to use and give a voice to his Marxist agenda and found it in the church despite already being an atheist.

He deceived his way into the hearts and minds of his followers.

He confessed with his own mouth of being an atheist in 1976. His own wife said her husband was using religion to free the religious from the opiate of religion.

In other words he was deceiving the people that he was religious just so he can hit them where it hurts the most and he succeeded when he eventually convinced them all to commit mass suicide.

He was a fan of Mao Zedong who was also a murderous Marxist atheist with about 80million deaths on his hands.

Anyone who thinks because he was ordained in 1956 as a pastor and wishes to use that to cover up the fact that Jim Jones himself confessed to being an atheist in 1976 and that 90% of his congregation were also atheists and that he also said with his own mouth that God does not exist and he does not believe in the existence of a loving God and that anyone who believes in a sky daddy in the sky is foolish and that heaven isn't real and still want to retain his man of God status DESPITE JIM JONES HIMSELF CONFESSING TO THE NON EXISTENCE OF GOD, then that person is clearly a deceiver along with Jim Jones and the likes of him.

Can someone be called a man of God even when he himself confessed that there is no God? Which God is he then a man of?

Ever since you started taking your medicine, your madness has reduced small oo.

Anyway, all this your preaching lies for jesus won't work again. Everybody knows that you are a liar so keep deceiving yourself okay.

Besides, have you considered the Heaven's Gate mass suicide caused by two christian leaders?

RuthlessLeader:

Ever since you started taking your medicine, your madness has reduced small oo.

Anyway, all this your preaching lies for jesus won't work again. Everybody knows that you are a liar so keep deceiving yourself okay.

Besides, have you considered the Heaven's Gate mass suicide caused by two christian leaders?

Heaven's Gate was an American UFO religious millenarian cult based in San Diego, California, founded in 1974 and led by Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997) and Bonnie Nettles (1927–1985).[1] On March 26, 1997, police discovered the bodies of 39 members of the group, who had participated in a mass suicide in order to reach what they believed was an extraterrestrial spacecraft following Comet Hale–Bopp.[2][3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)


The very opener of their wikipedia page shows you they were not a Christian group because they were A CULT.

Their leaders were not Christian as clearly shown from their wikipedia page. A christian does not go about with UFO theories and believing in extra terrestrials and claiming they were the replacement for Jesus and that it was only through suicide they would attain a "higher level".

I wonder how you people reason? Everything is written in black and white yet your common senses never kick in at such times.

You could call them a religious cult but they definitely had nothing to do with being Christians.

Christianity isn't a cult.

All over this thread its very clear who the liars have been as they try everything to bend and twist the truthful facts in black and white which came from the horses mouth himself .

I am sure you have noticed how my brethren have been ignoring you and your likes ever since I put up my warning. It must hurt to be ignored which is something I will do to you right after this comment. It would be my last to you EVER!

Vianna:

Thanks. Even in the link he provided, it was clearly written he was an ordained pastor. Whether he later converted to atheism, what is known is that he was a pastor and he established the peoples temple which he used to gather followers. However I've changed the topic from "man of God " to "religious leader". That should ease his vexation. Dominique lalasticlala

Even HardMirror also claim to be a pastor turn atheist. Using Religious leader is also wrong and confusing, since atheism is not religion. Occultic Leader would be better.

hopefulLandlord:


Whether Jones is an atheist/theist, religion still gets all the blame as an atheist can in fact be religious and incidences like this are one extra reason to be an Antitheist who sees religious ideas and its uses as nonsensical, something that should be pushed back upon, fought tooth and nail and gotten rid of systematically. it fosters groupthink and inability to go against the grain

Shouldnt you be concern that a good man of 20 years turned to atheist and 2 years committed mass-murder?

xpmode:


Even HardMirror also claim to be a pastor turn atheist. Using Religious leader is also wrong and confusing, since atheism is not religion. Occultic Leader would be better.

Exactly because he ran a cult as was declared.

Better yet a heading like Former Pastor turned atheist orchestrates mass suicide or Atheists uses religion to commit mass suicide would also suffice.

xpmode:


Shouldnt you be concern that a good man of 20 years turned to atheist and 2 years committed mass-murder?

as an antitheist, I'm more concerned about the role religion played in that

xpmode:


Even HardMirror also claim to be a pastor turn atheist. Using Religious leader is also wrong and confusing, since atheism is not religion. Occultic Leader would be better.

religions are technically cults, go figure

Butterflyleo:



Heaven's Gate was an American UFO religious millenarian cult based in San Diego, California, founded in 1974 and led by Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997) and Bonnie Nettles (1927–1985).[1] On March 26, 1997, police discovered the bodies of 39 members of the group, who had participated in a mass suicide in order to reach what they believed was an extraterrestrial spacecraft following Comet Hale–Bopp.[2][3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)


The very opener of their wikipedia page shows you they were not a Christian group because they were A CULT.

They were one of the 40,000 sects of christianity.

Their leaders were not Christian as clearly shown from their wikipedia page. A christian does not go about with UFO theories and believing in extra terrestrials and claiming they were the replacement for Jesus and that it was only through suicide they would attain a "higher level".

You would be surprised at the number of christians that believe in UFOS. But I,m not surprised you don't. Outside of your rubbish bible, you don't know anything right?

I wonder how you people reason? Everything is written in black and white yet your common senses never kick in at such times.

Go take your meds. Your madness is showing oo.

You could call them a religious cult but they definitely had nothing to do with being Christians.

They were christians like you.

Christianity isn't a cult.

Christianity shows all the signs of being a cult.

All over this thread its very clear who the liars have been as they try everything to bend and twist the truthful facts in black and white which came from the horses mouth himself .

The only liar here is you oga.

I am sure you have noticed how my brethren have been ignoring you and your likes ever since I put up my warning.

Na small thing. They know they cannot argue and they are tired of being humiliated.

It must hurt to be ignored which is something I will do to you right after this comment.

Says the guy who liked and shared his own post.

It would be my last to you EVER!

Okay

Butterflyleo:


Your topic should read, " Atheist who used religion for mass suicide" or "religious atheist who caused mass suicide".

That would be the truth because Jim Jones confessed to being an atheist with his own mouth and also confessed with his own mouth that he was USING religion to push his Marxist agenda.

Marxism is equal to Atheism.

What can you say about this? Any explanation?

https://www.nairaland.com/4603519/n2000-handshake-pastor-tony-boateng

Butterflyleo:



Heaven's Gate was an American UFO religious millenarian cult based in San Diego, California, founded in 1974 and led by Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997) and Bonnie Nettles (1927–1985).[1] On March 26, 1997, police discovered the bodies of 39 members of the group, who had participated in a mass suicide in order to reach what they believed was an extraterrestrial spacecraft following Comet Hale–Bopp.[2][3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)


The very opener of their wikipedia page shows you they were not a Christian group because they were A CULT.

Their leaders were not Christian as clearly shown from their wikipedia page. A christian does not go about with UFO theories and believing in extra terrestrials and claiming they were the replacement for Jesus and that it was only through suicide they would attain a "higher level".

I wonder how you people reason? Everything is written in black and white yet your common senses never kick in at such times.

You could call them a religious cult but they definitely had nothing to do with being Christians.

Christianity isn't a cult.

All over this thread its very clear who the liars have been as they try everything to bend and twist the truthful facts in black and white which came from the horses mouth himself .

I am sure you have noticed how my brethren have been ignoring you and your likes ever since I put up my warning. It must hurt to be ignored which is something I will do to you right after this comment. It would be my last to you EVER!

I am tracking the result of your warning, yes Christians take it Seriously.

hopefulLandlord:


You'll never know, those 900 people might be in an afterlife of socialist utopia enjoying forever and ever

I think we should all kill ourselves to join them. what have we got to lose if they're wrong? nothing, but if they're right we get to enjoy forever

Blaise Pascal (Pascal's wager

If they are wrong, you join them in a fire that burns for eons of years. So there is a lot to lose. Stop quoting the "Pensees" wrongly.

dochenaj:

If they are wrong, you join them in a fire that burns for eons of years. So there is a lot to lose. Stop quoting the "Pensees" wrongly.

Just like if Muslims are right and Christians are wrong, right?

He is not a religious leader, he is a sect leader, do not mix

Wonderful atheist.

Jim Jones was an atheist who racially integrated churches. Nairaland Christians are real brainless emotional sheep. Brainlessness no dey carry person go heaven o.. Even Jesus been get sense...