Iran sends aid ships to Gaza

   
Iran is sending two aid shipments towards Gaza, officials said today, a move likely to further heighten tensions with Israel.

One ship left on Sunday and another, carrying food, construction materials and toys, was due to depart later this week, Iranian state radio said. According to the country's ISNA news agency, the shipment is being organised by the Society for the Defence of the Palestinian Nation, which insists it is not connected to the Iranian state. "Until the end of the Gaza blockade, Iran will continue to ship aid," an official from the organisation was quoted as saying by Reuters.

Israel has maintained a three-year blockade of Gaza, and two weeks ago intercepted an international flotilla of ships attempting to break this. Nine Turkish activists died in the military assault. A spokesman for the organisers of the flotilla said the Iranian ships had no connection with his group and he had no information about Iran's plans.

Israel would view a similar action by Iran as particularly provocative, as it accuses the nation of supplying weapons to Gaza's Hamas rulers, something denied by Tehran.

Earlier this month, an aide to Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said Revolutionary Guard naval forces would be willing to escort future aid convoys, a move that could potentially have placed them in direct collision with Israel's military and stoked regional tensions dangerously.

But the deputy head of the force, Hossein Salami, said this would not happen. "No such issue is on the Revolutionary Guard's agenda," he was quoted as saying by Iran's IRNA news agency.

It was not clear if the two ships will attempt to sail directly to Gaza or go to adjoining Egypt. In January last year an Iranian boat was refused permission to unload a shipment of supplies for Gaza after it docked in Egypt.

One shipment would leave from Iran's southern port of Bandar Abbas while another would go from the north of the country into Turkey, ISNA quoted the Association for Defending the Palestinian Nation as saying.

A delegation of Iranian MPs who hope to visit Gaza have already confirmed they will not travel on the aid ships but will attempt to enter the territory via Egypt. Alaeddin Boroujerdi, head of the foreign relations and national security committee in Iran's parliament said Egyptian authorities were "positive" about the planned visit, but had yet to issue formal permission.




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/14/iran-aid-ships-gaza

Iran has repeatedly made known its genocidal intentions toward Israel. Yet if Israel stops these ships, the international condemnations will rain down upon, guess who.

Nonetheless, Israel must defend itself against the global jihad, and all free people should be standing with Israel now.

"Iranian aid ships head for Gaza," by Robin Pomeroy for Reuters, June 14 (thanks to all who sent this in):

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran is sending aid ships to blockaded Gaza, state radio said on Monday -- a move likely to be considered provocative by Israel which accuses Tehran of arming the Palestinian enclave's Islamist rulers, Hamas.

One ship left port on Sunday and another will depart by Friday, loaded with food, construction material and toys, the report said. "Until the end of (Israel's) Gaza blockade, Iran will continue to ship aid," said an official at Iran's Society for the Defense of the Palestinian Nation,

Up to a quarter of Iran's 291 lawmakers have expressed their wish to go to Gaza, Iranian media reported.

The actions are in response to Israel's boarding of a flotilla of Turkish aid ships heading to Gaza on May 31 in which troops killed nine pro-Palestinian activists after they were set upon by some passengers with metal rods and knives.

An official of the Iranian Red Crescent Society's youth organization said some 100,000 Iranians had volunteered as potential crew for aid ships, daily newspaper Iran reported,

Enflamed as they are by blind hatred for those "strongest in enmity" toward the Muslims (Qur'an 5:82).

frosbel: dont you know the differences between jews and palestinians, israel and palestine; gaza, west bank? is gaza and palestinians living in her now jews and israel?

forget all that is wrong in your eyes, my eyes of palestine, israel, iran, what is wrong with iran sending aids to suffering people, the gazans?

what constitutes to 'act of war" in this? i see gaza at least as the like of cracow ghetto where the jews were segregated. now, wouldnt the third reich thought that any help to the jews not act of war against her? you isreali supporters are so blinded that thinking rationally is a strange "idea". whats so wrong in human helping another human?

am sure you and them and israel and zionists will love to see the palestinians perish and be wiped off the face of the earth.

what is wrong with iran sending aids to suffering people, the gazans?
Let them try it, then you will not only what is wrong, you will see it.

you know, the future belongs to God Almighty, ONLY.

it may be that the outcome of the future will sadden you, because you have undermined God's Will.

who could ever imagine that pharaoh and his strong army will perish by the hands of Moses with a mere stick, with support of his brother Haruun (As), while his companions, his people were already blaming him at the sight of the approaching army, thinking about the impending doom?

who could believe that little, yet unbamitva(ed) David will kill the giant Goliat by a mere sling shot?

who could imagine that Muhammad (AS) and his fasting companions of only 313, never fought as a group, and ill prepared will vanquished the makkan pagans in the battle of Badr, with all the abundant foods, supperior weaponry and pump and pageantry?

Such surprises are the decision from God Who makes the believers, when He Wills defeat arrogancy, paganism, and all ism that Israel may have ingrained in them right now. I guess you cant see it because you have been snuckered over. The same israelis who think your god jesus is nothing. The same descendants of the people who killed your god Jesus. i laugh in your tribal language; whatever it is.

@topic,
There is nothing wrong with providing aid to Gaza. What is wrong is using the Gaza people as pawns to achieve a political and religious goal.

@nopuqueater,
How can you use God, Moses, David on the one hand, and thend Mohammed in the same sentence? What correlation has Jehovah with Mohammed's allah?

nopuqeater:

frosbel: dont you know the differences between jews and palestinians, israel and palestine; gaza, west bank? is gaza and palestinians living in her now jews and israel?

forget all that is wrong in your eyes, my eyes of palestine, israel, iran, what is wrong with iran sending aids to suffering people, the gazans?

what constitutes to 'act of war" in this? i see gaza at least as the like of cracow ghetto where the jews were segregated. now, wouldnt the third reich thought that any help to the jews not act of war against her? you isreali supporters are so blinded that thinking rationally is a strange "idea". whats so wrong in human helping another human?

am sure you and them and israel and zionists will love to see the palestinians perish and be wiped off the face of the earth.

Good point!

Israel, a self-acclaimed Jewish states, uses the wrongs of the Holocaust as justification to kill civilians, including women and children.

If the world could sympathize for the many Jews murdered by the Third Reich, why can't the world sympathize with the people of Gaza suffering under the wickedness of evil Israel?

Is it that the life of a Jew is more important than the life of a Palestinian? Oh, because they're God's chosen people?

I pray every day that God punishes Zionist Israel for her atrocities the same way God punished Nazi Germany.

Zionism = Nazism (by Jews).

Iran is just trying to stoke things a little, those guys too like wahala.

Is it that the life of a Jew is more important than the life of a Palestinian? Oh, because they're God's chosen people?

Please stick to the point.

This is about Iran trying to provoke Israel.

Every life is sacred and in every culture, race and country there are the good and the bad.

But the crux of the matter is HAMAS.

Hamas you say represents the Palestinian people. Well under duress they voted in Hamas akin to voting for the devil.

Ever since Hamas has used the Palestinian children as suicide bombers, hiding weapons and firing missiles from heavily populated civilian areas, so that when Israel retaliate the aftermath will cause such a stir that the world condemns Israel.

We have to detach the goals of Hamas from that of the Palestians and PLO.

frosbel:

Please stick to the point.

This is about Iran trying to provoke Israel.

Every life is sacred and in every culture, race and country there are the good and the bad.

But the crux of the matter is HAMAS.

Hamas you say represents the Palestinian people. Well under duress they voted in Hamas akin to voting for the devil.

Ever since Hamas has used the Palestinian children as suicide bombers, hiding weapons and firing missiles from heavily populated civilian areas, so that when Israel retaliate the aftermath will cause such a stir that the world condemns Israel.

We have to detach the goals of Hamas from that of the Palestians and PLO.

As far as I am concerned, Israel can Kill as many Hamas fighters as they can find, Hamas can kill as many Israeli soldiers as they can find, let them just leave the civilians out of this bloody thing.
Iran o, Hamas o, Israeli Government o, they are all as bad as one another.

They are welcome to bring aid as long as its routed through Israel or Egypt.

Anything short of that, The boat should be sunk

@nopuqueater,
How can you use God, Moses, David on the one hand, and thend Mohammed in the same sentence? What correlation has Jehovah with Mohammed's allah?

English words for Creator are God, Lord, Creator, etc. In my yoruba language: Olorun, Oluwa, Eleda, Eledumare, etc. Igbo words for God: Chukwu, Chineke, etc. Hausa words: Obangoji, etc. Use the same to know that Hebrew and some other semitic languages say Jehovah, Yahweh, Eloi, etc for God. Arabic semite language uses Allah. So where do get confused.

Your name is Tayo. a compund name having its base in Ayo. Ayo in English is Joy. In arabic it is close to Syaid, or Bushra. For a none Yoruba speaker, when he hears "Ayo" he will not know that it is the same as "Joy" in english. I do understand why you do not know that Allah is Eloi, or Jehovah (if thats truly a name) or Yahweh (if thats truly a name), or God, or Chineke, or Obangiji, or Oluwa.

new information is always difficult to swallow regardless of its truth and accuracy.

Oh. Moses, David, Muhammad (as to all) were human prophets. they lived as humans. they died as humans. no one ever said that any is more than human. you can now begin to see why they are listed together.

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They are welcome to bring aid as long as its routed through Israel or Egypt.

Anything short of that, The boat should be sunk

The outcome of the future, including all its happenings, events, is with God Almighty, alone.

The weak, if righteous and enjoys the Support of God, will definitely defeat the powerful unrighteous. Moses with the stick in hand defeated Pharaoh who is god to his supporters (remember that the yorubas do call their obas kabiyesi. and one is even praised as iku baba yeye).

it will not be out of the Way of God that in the day of Judgement, if we were to be informed what we missed in worldly event (though there is no statement that we will be informed, so am just using it for illustration purpose only), that Israel was defeated by a small band of true believers. It could be palestinians, if they ever change from nationalism to purism. Or another society, people, country that God raises to raze down Israel, the new nazist.

^^ How come the atheist countries of the west rule and dominate

dayokanu:

^^ How come the atheist countries of the west rule and dominate

Why oh why are you encouraging this rambler on here? @Nop do you mind moving the preachings ramblings across to RELIGION instead?

International Maritime Laws forbid any nation to have territorial control over waters outside of the boundary of its sovereignty. In the case of these interceptions on the sea, Israel is raiding waters outside of its sovereignty. The action is not at all different, in the eye of the law, with the acts of Somali pirates.

I agree that Israel has the responsibility and the legitimate right to protect its land and people from the onslaught of Hamas, but if it has not succeeded with that in the decades they have fought one another over land, then I doubt that seizure of boats and killing of citizens of other countries in international waters will achieve a desirable admiration and sympathy from those calling for a peaceful end to the war.

The problem is not Israel. . .rather, it is the immaturity of their President Netanyahu. The man believes in his soul that he is an American and as such is covered by the over-reaching protective laws of America for its citizens. He sees Israel as an auxilliary state of US. His condescension is what makes it hard for American Presidents to warm up to him. He was Isreal's leader during Clinton Presidency and that administration related to him at a distance. He is again in power and Obama White House has distanced itself from him also. Israel is okay the Jews but Netanyahu is not. . .he will lead them into another holocaust the way he is managing international relations from Tel Aviv.

@Kobo junkie on nairaland, politics is under religion. Reflect on christianity if you will. Most christians are supporting Israel because of what they read from their Bible, their human god is a tribe's man of the israelis. No?

finally, while you are blind to reality, Allah in a subtle way is shaming Israel. the Owner of hearts is turning the hearts of people of goodwill against Israel. Someday, maybe not in our lifetime, a people may rise up and beat Israel down to a fluffy pop.

thats my sermon in the political, under religion section. Kobo. Na wa for you oh.

@nopuqeater,

My cat, though a member of the feline family like the lion, is not a lion even though I call it one. That Mohammed called the spirit behind his revelations "God" does not make that spirit the real God. Everytime a muslim refers to "allah", it is a reference to Mohammed's god whcih is different than the Jehovah revealed in the Bible. Their characters are different, their prioritites are different, the heaven they both revealed are different, etc,

nopuqeater:

@Kobo junkie on nairaland, politics is under religion.

That is your first mistake there. . . . that you and some choose to make it so, does not mean it is.

again, spare me the ramblings!

Kobo junkie, check out the thread started by Paddy_Lo about "a new prophet talking about Muhammad, Islam Koran", etc. It is actually below this thread, when i wanted to respond to you just this moment.

What was the basis? Religion. It mentions Muhammad (AS), Al Quran Karim, etc. Where is it topiced? Politic, not Religion. Get a grip, man. Am sick of your empty rhetorics. let me watch the lakers and Celtics's 7th games of the finals. by the way, the hatred between England's protestants and Irish catholics that raged for many decades was nothing short of Politics laced up under Religion. England supported the irish protestants. You have plenty to learn, maan!

In all your bruhaha, you have not found it respnsible to post the link. Omo 9ja. Ojoro poo ju. You wont me to stump on the woman that you are going gaga on, post the link. the thread starter should come and post it, if you cant.

Kobo junkie. Mommy. i am sorry o. I dislike upsetting women. She is like fury not experienced yet on earth. My mother, my anti (aunt), my big sister, I beg don vex o. Its the man in me o. we I see say you be woman, I know that i have to let you have your way.

I know you can handle yourself, but am a gentleman, so i respect you. Lol.


Its a wonderful summer evening in columbus ohio. enjoy it. they still do the summer concerts in the ohio? those were the good old days. i was a child then, way back when.

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@nopuqeater,

My cat, though a member of the feline family like the lion, is not a lion even though I call it one. That Mohammed called the spirit behind his revelations "God" does not make that spirit the real God.

so tell us the exact characteristics of the real "God" so that we can compare it to the "God that Muhammad (AS) says is God? Is your real God like a human being , subjected to death, etc?

Everytime a muslim refers to "allah", it is a reference to Mohammed's god whcih is different than the Jehovah revealed in the Bible.

Tell us the characteristic qualities and if possible quantity of Biblical God, Jehovah, considering that Moses says his own Jehovah in OT is not like a human being, unseen he said, One God, while you said that Jesus is one of the three Gods that make the NT God, Jehovah? WHo is confused between NT and OT believers? Thats your first problem. Out of a slew of many.

Their characters are different, their prioritites are different, the heaven they both revealed are different, etc,

OT God, Jehovah, Yahweh, Eloi created Adam and Eve and placed them in some place that I will call the garden of eden where tree of life exists. This is from your Bible. Now do we have the eden on earth or heaven? If on earth, where is the tree of life? Chopped off or is that place in heaven? If in heaven that Adam and wife were created and cautioned from nearing a tree, then remember the purpose of why Eve was created to be with Adam. She was called his wife, expecting to have children!

do people have children in normal regular situation without having sexual intercourse? The answer is no, and many a religious christian leaders frown against any type of pregnancy except as a result ogf the old fashion sexual intercourse between husband and his legal wife.


while you now deny such a heaven that Adam and Eve were made husband and wife, creating an illusion heaven for yourself, most of you guys are freaks with plenty girlfriends out about while you lie to the mrs at home to believe that she is the only woman for you. And your women never stopped wearing body hugging, butt showing and the twin towers showing revealing clothing to the Sunday church services, a market place for easy ride opportunities. How is your heaven worse than the earthly world that you enjoy so much? shouldnt it be better in the matter of rewards based on the fact that you deprived yourself on earth for the pleasure of God and He is now rewarding you for it, except that you will now tell me that you are not even gou=ing to eat any food, except to continue to clap and be shouting or singing?

Please, if your heaven is a boring place, you need to listen to Sunny Ade's old tune "Maa muti laiye nbi, boya won ki memu lorun, " Me, I will hope that my heaven is a better place tan this earth. That I look extreme;y handsome for my partner(s), and she?they look extremely look enchanting in beauty to me.


Dont forget mey question about Jehovah of OT versus Jehovah of NT, above. I wanna read how you will explain God Unseen in OT becoming a man running for his life and finally cornered off and hung. Lion dies. Your ccat dies, too. My Allah does not die. Though one of your Gods died.

@nopuqeater,

It is obvious that I am giving you some legitimacy by responding to your ramblings.

One thing is for sure, even you recognize that the allah your pedophilic prophet preached about is different from Jehovah. Your allah is so sexually perverted that he has set aside virgins for his hordes of followers to fulfil their lusts even in his heaven. Jehovah on the other hand clearly says that such thought is heretic. He says we will be like Angels in Heaven where there is nothing like the sexaul fantasy your Mohammed dreamt about.

I have no time to waste responding to all your ramblings above. It is such an headache to even make sense of your disjointed responses.

Arrogancy of the highest order. And he didnt pay attention that there was never a time I addressed him particularly since I never even care to type his ID/Name. Legitimacy is from God Almighty, Alone. Empty words when a human being declares he gives the other legitimacy, as if he is more than a humble begining of a sperm penetrating the egg of the female that carried him in pregnancy.

Allah, no one follows, but believers obeys. He commands, and only His Will shall lead to success.

If humans as defined by christians shall become like angels, I wonder which of the angels? Is it the unnamed angels or the big angels like Michael, which the Christians have described as a warrior? Or is it like Gabriel which they sometimes described in an unflattery manner; being under Arch Michael in authority, etc? Which Angel I asked, because empty words shall not be enough without explanation.

And the men who cant keep their pants zipped up will tell us about morality. They can even deny that man and woman are created to procreate, an act which Adam and Eve engaged in before the approached the tree. Whats the reason woud they be called husband and wife if it was not a matter of sexual intercourse? Or is there a man or woman who shall not sleep with his or her legal spouse?

@nopuqeater,

You want a lesson in morality?  I certainly won't take mine from the so-called prophet Mohammed.

1.  Unlike Mohammed, I will not marry or sleep with a 9 year old girl.
2.  Unlike Mohammed, I will not sleep with my son's wife.
3.  Unlike Mohammed, I will not kill people's husbands while taking their widows for wives.
4.  Unlike Mohammed, I will not marry widows while instructing that no one should marry mine.
5.  Unlike Mohammed, I will not teach people to only have four wives and yet marry at least eleven.
6.  Unlike Mohammed, I will not codify my sexual fantasies and sell them to gullible millions as a bonus of heaven.

With your sexual deviance, I can imagine why you will follow such a Prophet.

You want a lesson in morality? I certainly won't take mine from the so-called prophet Mohammed.

The flip side of this is to imitate Jesus. Yet not many of the so called christians can do without sex, the only reason the religion has nt disappeared. A true believer will follow the fotsteps of the leadership. The christians say Jesus is their "God", yet they cant follow his precepts, when it comes to the things created for enjoyment that even Adam and Eve participated in as they "knew" each other, darn hypocrites.

1. Unlike Mohammed, I will not marry or sleep with a 9 year old girl.

there are men who say they dont want "virgins". A child's age is measured and calculated from birth. Aisha was born before her father became muslim, which made everyone in the family, except her mother who was immediately devorced, became muslim. She was also engaged before and that engagement was dissolved because of her family's reversion to Islam. If a woman was engaged to be married, it means that she was at least alive, since there was no sonogram to plot the sonograph in Makka at the birth of Aishah (RA). How old was she at the time of the dessolution of the engagement to the pagan family? How old was she when her father migrated to Madina, 13 years later? At least she must have been 13. But is stated that she was about 4 ears younger tan Fatima, who was about 10 when Islam was revealed. I ask myself, is 13 and above not older than 9 or younger? absolutely. And am still talking about Makka period.

2. Unlike Mohammed, I will not sleep with my son's wife.

An adoptive family member can not in reality becomes a bloodline person. Zayd (RA), because of his not been a free born, was a major issue in her marriage to Zaynab (RA), a cousin of the messenger, whom he paid her dowry so that Zayd, his adopted son could marry. When Allah decided to dessolve the institution of adoption where the adoptive names are changed, just like everything else, it has a process. And the one who is best suited for it is always used. The most moral of all mankind had to be used for such a thing that was made up by man, accepted based on ignorance. And after this event, Muhammad never lost the quaity of his moral hieight among his people, mankind in general and believers, specifically. Woody Allen, a bigtime Jew in New York Dity left beautiful mea farrow and marry Sui Yee, the adopted daughter of his wife. America with all her morality did not charge him for incest, or any sexual improperity since there is no moral deficiency against it. Today, muslims do not change the name of their ward who is notfrom their bloodline. Do we act ignorantly because of our little knowledge? thats what we see from those who accuse where where is no accusation. There is no roof that an adopted child will carry the health issue of the adoptive family, while a child who carries the bloodline of the family but raise by even wolves, if that is possible, wil stillhave the same health issue because of the blood, and not nurturing!

3. Unlike Mohammed, I will not kill people's husbands while taking their widows for wives.

We ignorantly forget about King David. I have many of the Biblical sexual improprieties. Judah slept wit harlot who is actually his sons wife. he lost his signet, staff, etc for that.

4. Unlike Mohammed, I will not marry widows while instructing that no one should marry mine.

is muhammad (AS) the author of Quran, and at the same time calls himself unlettered? The wives of Muhammad (AS) are the mothers of believers. I wonder if a man marries is mother after the death of his father? Step mother, the same private the father enjjoys, the son wants to enjoy it too? I see some disbelievers do irt in Nigeria. The oung ones sleep with teir father's young wives, while the father is still alie, even.

5. Unlike Mohammed, I will not teach people to only have four wives and yet marry at least eleven.

What did Jesus teach about sex and marriage? Why havent the christians follow Jesus step by step as they are trying to be Christ like? Allah restricted Muhammad in many things that allowed for Muslims, men and women.

6. Unlike Mohammed, I will not codify my sexual fantasies and sell them to gullible millions as a bonus of heaven.

Adam slept/knew Eve, while in heaven. InshaAllah, when I nter Paradise of Allah, I will find my spouses as enchanting as the Creator allows.

With your sexual deviance, I can imagine why you will follow such a Prophet.

I do not always look at the picture of a man to make determination of his beauty since Allah says mankind was made from the best of molds. I am grateful to Allah Who formed me. At my age, am still able to restrict myself from sexual impropriety, simply because of the consequences of ludeness. Its almost summer in New York City, all over america. The women are almost nude, if not completely naked. NYC law alows women to be topless, and they do. Yet the rope of Islam debars many of the muslims from snapping free peaches from the trees, even as they fall in front of you, and on both side, and even the back of you. How many christians dont go out of sunday church services with their afternoon easy rides?


MORALITY? Those who have it are ashamed to blow their own trumpets. Wearing sleeveless shirts ( with neck chains) was the hallmaks of neighborhood tugs in the 70s, the reason the movvie Hair was made featuring the Coney island's "warriors" gang.

Negro_Ntns:

International Maritime Laws forbid any nation to have territorial control over waters outside of the boundary of its sovereignty. In the case of these interceptions on the sea, Israel is raiding waters outside of its sovereignty. The action is not at all different, in the eye of the law, with the acts of Somali pirates.

I agree that Israel has the responsibility and the legitimate right to protect its land and people from the onslaught of Hamas, but if it has not succeeded with that in the decades they have fought one another over land, then I doubt that seizure of boats and killing of citizens of other countries in international waters will achieve a desirable admiration and sympathy from those calling for a peaceful end to the war.

The problem is not Israel. . .rather, it is the immaturity of their President Netanyahu. The man believes in his soul that he is an American and as such is covered by the over-reaching protective laws of America for its citizens. He sees Israel as an auxilliary state of US. His condescension is what makes it hard for American Presidents to warm up to him. He was Isreal's leader during Clinton Presidency and that administration related to him at a distance. He is again in power and Obama White House has distanced itself from him also. Israel is okay the Jews but Netanyahu is not. . .he will lead them into another holocaust the way he is managing international relations from Tel Aviv.

this is unintelligent and illiterate nonsense. I think you shld read the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994.

Its just nauseating having to read the drivel that comes from the computers of the dumb.

@ nopuqeater,

You mean that is the best effort you can muster to defend the sexual pervesion of your idol? Talk about slapping lipstick on a pig. No mattter how much you want us to focus on the lipstick, we cannot get past the fact that all that make-up is being done to give a pig a facelift!! Aint gonna work.

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The flip side of this is to imitate Jesus

Imitating Jesus in the bible ( May God open your eyes ) means to be like him in self control of urges ( obviously Muhammad's sexual urges controlled him ) , Forgive even your enemies ( Muhammad made sure that all his enemies were killed if he could get hold of them ), Honour ALL men ( Muhammad honoured only those who followed his madness ),  Gentleness ( Muhammad was aggressive talk less of gentle ), and the list goes on.

there are men who say they dont want "virgins"

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Which men are these who do not want virgins?

A child's age is measured and calculated from birth.

Obviously.

She was also engaged before and that engagement was dissolved because of her family's reversion to Islam.

Keep lying, your forked tongue will soon disgrace you. So she was engaged at 5 before divorcing to marry Muhammad  This story is taking an even worse turn for a horror movie.

If a woman was engaged to be married, it means that she was at least alive,

since there was no sonogram to plot the sonograph in Makka at the birth of Aishah (RA). How old was she at the time of the dessolution of the engagement to the pagan family? How old was she when her father migrated to Madina, 13 years later? At least she must have been 13. But is stated that she was about 4 ears younger tan Fatima, who was about 10 when Islam was revealed. I ask myself, is 13 and above not older than 9 or younger? absolutely. And am still talking about Makka period.

The lying continues, now you are even going against your own Hadiths to prove a lie out of desperation.

And after this event, Muhammad never lost the quaity of his moral hieight among his people, mankind in general and believers, specifically.

Muhammad was a man of low and despicable morals.

Woody Allen, a bigtime Jew in New York Dity left beautiful mea farrow and marry Sui Yee, the adopted daughter of his wife. America with all her morality did not charge him for incest, or any sexual improperity since there is no moral deficiency against it

What !! In Christendom his behaviour is rejected as outright evil, so I am not sure what you are on about.

Today, muslims do not change the name of their ward who is notfrom their bloodline. Do we act ignorantly because of our little knowledge? thats what we see from those who accuse where where is no accusation. There is no roof that an adopted child will carry the health issue of the adoptive family, while a child who carries the bloodline of the family but raise by even wolves, if that is possible, wil stillhave the same health issue because of the blood, and not nurturing!

Rubbish, is it not because Muslims marry their own blood ( cousins etc ) that there is so much disease and confusion in the muslim world today. Abomination and incest.

is muhammad (AS) the author of Quran, and at the same time calls himself unlettered? The wives of Muhammad (AS) are the mothers of believers. I wonder if a man marries is mother after the death of his father? Step mother, the same private the father enjjoys, the son wants to enjoy it too? I see some disbelievers do irt in Nigeria. The oung ones sleep with teir father's young wives, while the father is still alie, even.

Islam encourages this kind of behaviour on the other hand.

What did Jesus teach about sex and marriage?

What and who is a Christian by your definition ? Well for your info a Christian is not someone who just goes to church for the sake of it, but someone who acts Christlike. Unfortunately there are not many.

The true Christians believe in one man one woman.

On the other hand, Muslims can marry women on the fly, maltreat their woman and no probs at all. To go  step further Muslims even believe that their Heaven will be sexual gratifying.

Oh what perversion in deed.

Adam slept/knew Eve, while in heaven. InshaAllah, when I nter Paradise of Allah, I will find my spouses as enchanting as the Creator allows.

Another Lie. Adam was on earth when God caused him to fall into a deep sleep and made eve from a rib he took from Adam.

Keep posting your pack of lies.

I am grateful to Allah Who formed me. At my age, am still able to restrict myself from sexual impropriety, simply because of the consequences of ludeness. Its almost summer in New York City, all over america. The women are almost unclothed, if not completely unclothed. NYC law alows women to be topless, and they do. Yet the rope of Islam debars many of the muslims from snapping free peaches from the trees, even as they fall in front of you, and on both side, and even the back of you. How many christians dont go out of sunday church services with their afternoon easy rides?

2 points I want to make here.

1. If I say to you that any Muslim who blows up women, children and the innocent is a true Muslim you call me a liar. Well let me now tell you that not everybody who calls himself a Christian is one. In fact Jesus Christ said many will say to me on that day Lord Lord, and I will say depart from me ye cursed, workers of iniquity,  into the lake of fire.

So it is rather self-righteous of you to compare yourself to church goers unbelievers with the false assumption that they represent Jesus.

2. Did you know that even if you do not commit the sexual act, by just looking at a woman to lust after her in your heart you are an adulterer in God's eyes. So it does not matter if the act has happened or not, by lustfully looking at a girl or woman because she wears topless clothes, shows the true state of your mind and it is a sin to you and God.

For while you are concentrating on outward acts of piousness and self righteousness , what is actually required is a cleansing of the inward man, your soul. You need to clean the inward and then the outward will be clean.

But the reason why many Muslims are infatuated with sex is because they have not submitted themselves to Christ to wash their dirty hearts cleansed with his precious blood.


Instead they follow a sex mad, warrior called Muhammad filled with hate, malice and murder.

Is this your role model ? Well you need a new one.

@frosbel: « #29 on: Today at 10:33:47 AM »
[Quote]Imitating Jesus in the bible ( May God open your eyes ) means to be like him in self control of urges ( obviously Muhammad's sexual urges controlled him )[/quote]Flip side means dont marry and lets see if Christianity will survive 200 years? Am happy to imitate Muhammad [as], who acted modestly between the mixture of the best qualities of Adam, a married man to Eve, Noah, Ibrahim who married many wives and one of them was his sister, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, all of them were men of families with wives and children. David and Solomon even had concubines. THe wiseman Solomon had 300.

Forgive even your enemies ( Muhammad made sure that all his enemies were killed if he could get hold of them ),I didnt see Jesus forgive the money changers, or the Jews who he called Vipers, adulterous, bloodsuckers, evil people and generations. He did not forgive Judas Iscariot who carried out his own prediction, the only man who did not make Jesus arrest a lie. Jesus did not forgive the unawared theif on his left because of his own arrogance wanting to be acnowledged. Muhammad for reason to get along cautioned Ali (ra) to accept the name that the Makkans wished to use for him, instead of Messenger of God, his true title. Thats getting along, man.

Honour ALL men ( Muhammad honoured only those who followed his madness ),

Muhammad (AS) commissioned letters of Invitation to Islam to all the Kings, rulers and emperors of his days. The letters called the kings by honorable names and titles that their people called them while saying humbly, Muhammad the Messenger of God.

Gentleness ( Muhammad was aggressive talk less of gentle ), and the list goes on.

Muhammad (AS) tell his community to show mercy even to animals that they were going to slaughter for food. The list of your lies goes on.



[Quote]Which men are these who do not want virgins?

I forgot that you are the big christian man who sleeps with the wowo women, the reason you have never heard of the fact that some men say virgins have no experience hence they dont wont them. Please dont start starking young women now, who are probably going to have a pool of virgins instead of the easy Lizzy/Sussie you are used to. I pity the woman victim living in Nigeria. jesus never told you that abstenance is the way to go, mr. get your freak on?



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A child's age is measured and calculated from birth.
Obviously[/quote]so when was Aisha born, with proofs before you ignorant souls accused baselessly?.



[Quote]Keep lying, your forked tongue will soon disgrace you. So she was engaged at 5 before divorcing to marry Muhammad This story is taking an even worse turn for a horror movie.[/quote]www.islamicboard.com/, islam/40223-aishas-age-17-years-old-argument.html - Cached , islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=6932 - Cached - Similar are two websites you should consult about the age and arguments there of of the age of Aisha. THe bolded you shoud read in its entirety. Every report slated Aisha to be an early entrant to Islam along with her father, indicating that she was not born after the beginning of revelation but before, and merely 10 years younger than her older sister Asmaa, who was a teenager before revelation. Read it thoroughly, and read even the commentary of publication by a D. A Spillberg of Columbia University, NY.

I found this interesting, an argument in support of the idea that Aisha was 17 years old when she was married. By Jamal Badawi.

Some background information, he rejects the hadiths in Bukhari that say she was 9 because they all go back to one person who, although he was trustworthy, suffered from bad memory at later age.

5. It is known that between the marriage contract and Aisha's moving to the Prophet's household, there was a 3-year gab during which she stayed with her parents. , up to and


Authenticity of hadith regarding Aisha's age

Reports regarding Aisha's age were recorded during the Abbasid caliphate when Aisha's youth might be deliberately emphasized by scholars to reject Shi'a claims for the descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib.

(D. A. Spellberg, Politics, Gender, and the Islamic Past: the Legacy of A'isha bint Abi Bakr, Columbia University Press, 1994)

Most of the narratives regarding Aisha's age are reported only by Hisham ibn Urwa reporting on the authority of his father. All the narratives of this event have been reported through narrators from Iraq, where Hisham ibn Urwa is reported to have shifted after living in Madinah for seventy-one years. It is reported in one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to Muhammad that Yaqub ibn Shaibah said, "narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq.[20] Another book on the narrators of the traditions of Muhammad reports that when he was old, Hisham's memory suffered quite badly.[21]
( Ibn Hajar Asqalani, Tahdhib al-Tahdhib, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, 15th century. Vol 11, p. 50 )
(Al-Dhahabi, Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, Al-Maktabatu’l-athriyyah, Sheikhupura, Pakistan, Vol. 4, p. 301)

, and beyond.



[Quote]The lying continues, now you are even going against your own Hadiths to prove a lie out of desperation.[/quote]some hadith are weak because there is no bases for them from the Quran and the known qualities of the Messenger (AS). Hopefully you can understand that if after you read the above material about Aisha and some milestone events in Islam.

Let me say this; if paddy adenuga's real age is to be known it will be too far fetched to accept his father to have a 50 year old son, since he is in his 50s still. But to know paddy's age, we may calculate how old he was when his father came to wealth, or rather what events were milestones in their family lives, so we will arrive at a probably the correct age range. use that for Aisha. its all in there. you only have to think it through.

Muhammad was a man of low and despicable morals.

Your opinion. Yet you are a nothing of nothingness. Am sure that a muslim has impacted your life, directly or indirectly. The hotel that feeds you must have received monies from Muslims in Nigeria. Not as much as the short stay or full day spent for illegal sexual rendevous that is dominated by christians. the low morality is on you for spending from that kinda wealth.



[Quote]What !! In Christendom his behaviour is rejected as outright evil, so I am not sure what you are on about.[/quote]Your white masters and spiritual leaders in America didnt say anything about it. they themseves are worse indulging in homosexualism, prostitutions, child sex abuses, etc, etc. Heck, Allen is a Jew, a notable. So the Christians in their hypocracies kept quite. Who is closer in family relationship by blood and not man made ideas; a first cousin or adopted son? Isaac married his first cousin. Jacob didnt do better. WHo is your symbol of wholesomeness fit to emulate; Jesus who never married? Can you not married, please and spare the world the agony as jesus did? LOL. These ignorant christians put their dirty filthy second hand and broken shoes in their toothless mouth.



[Quote]Rubbish, is it not because Muslims marry their own blood ( cousins etc ) that there is so much disease and confusion in the muslim world today. Abomination and incest.[/quote]You lie in England. All the blue bloods of Europe are first cousins or cousins. They make sure they do not marry common people but keeping the blue blood pure. I guess the incest is a sexpool of abomination and deseases, incest, and confusin, too? or only the muslims suffer these? LOL. You are funny. If you have a sister, or cousin, I want the prettiest of them. Let me bring a new blood into your bloodline. I dont want kurekure or omo randu o.



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is muhammad (AS) the author of Quran, and at the same time calls himself unlettered? The wives of Muhammad (AS) are the mothers of believers. I wonder if a man marries is mother after the death of his father? Step mother, the same private the father enjjoys, the son wants to enjoy it too? I see some disbelievers do irt in Nigeria. The oung ones sleep with teir father's young wives, while the father is still alie, even.

Islam encourages this kind of behaviour on the other hand.[/quote] Which of the behavior Islam encourages? Point it out and give your example, except you will not since you know it is not true.



[Quote]What did Jesus teach about sex and marriage?

What and who is a Christian by your definition ? Well for your info a Christian is not someone who just goes to church for the sake of it, but someone who acts Christlike. Unfortunately there are not many.

The true Christians believe in one man one woman.

On the other hand, Muslims can marry women on the fly, maltreat their woman and no probs at all. To go step further Muslims even believe that their Heaven will be sexual gratifying.

Oh what perversion in deed.[/quote]The bolded was my question. And your answer[s] above addressed it, in your own opinion? Where is Jesus teaching about sex and marriage? You failed Question one in Common sense 101.

Adam slept/knew Eve, while in heaven. InshaAllah, when I nter Paradise of Allah, I will find my spouses as enchanting as the Creator allows.

Another Lie. Adam was on earth when God caused him to fall into a deep sleep and made eve from a rib he took from Adam.

Keep posting your pack of lies.

So where was the garden and the tree? Some stronger entity now own the land, chopped of the tree for firewood or some other uses? What a shame to give me such a lame and baseless response. I want real answer, dude. If you dont know, there is no shame in just walking away.



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I am grateful to Allah Who formed me. At my age, am still able to restrict myself from sexual impropriety, simply because of the consequences of ludeness. Its almost summer in New York City, all over america. The women are almost unclothed, if not completely unclothed. NYC law alows women to be topless, and they do. Yet the rope of Islam debars many of the muslims from snapping free peaches from the trees, even as they fall in front of you, and on both side, and even the back of you. How many christians dont go out of sunday church services with their afternoon easy rides?

2 points I want to make here.

1. If I say to you that any Muslim who blows up women, children and the innocent is a true Muslim you call me a liar. Well let me now tell you that not everybody who calls himself a Christian is one. In fact Jesus Christ said many will say to me on that day Lord Lord, and I will say depart from me ye cursed, workers of iniquity, into the lake of fire.[/quote]THis destroys the rapture idea. It also shows that chistians will enter hell, or lake of fire as they like to say it. So some will be in the least of places in God's Kingdom. among tem are the ones who abolished the OT and the prophets/messengers of OT, incuding Moses, or encouraged others to do so. Paul who said people can eat pork is in this category. Those who eat it are also in this category. If Moses said that people who performed illegal sex should be stoned to death, then jesus of the Bible must be at least hypocritical going against what he said no one must go against, that he had came to fulfill. Is there a christian left, even if Christ himself, by your definition will not pass muster of his own test?

So it is rather self-righteous of you to compare yourself to church goers unbelievers with the false assumption that they represent Jesus.

I dont care about you or them in your religion. How do I compare myself to either of you? You sir, who think that you are better than the hypocrite Church goers engage in illegal sex with the woman in Nigeria. She is not your wife, yet you have known her a ton times over! I am sure you will not want your sister or female family member in the same condition with a man.

2. Did you know that even if you do not commit the sexual act, by just looking at a woman to lust after her in your heart you are an adulterer in God's eyes. So it does not matter if the act has happened or not, by lustfully looking at a girl or woman because she wears topless clothes, shows the true state of your mind and it is a sin to you and God.

Lol. This dude condemns the whole of christianity by his statement above. This is why you people always live in fantastic fantasy world of your own. Which one of you is not guilty of this; you with a girlfriend in Lagos that she is gonna spend more times this summer laying down than standing up? Am sure you are giving me pleanty of ammo to dialogue with you and your kind.

For while you are concentrating on outward acts of piousness and self righteousness , what is actually required is a cleansing of the inward man, your soul. You need to clean the inward and then the outward will be clean.

If mere accidental look at the opposite sex is not forgiven by your God, how will you ever be able to clean your inside since you will be always a sinner in the quick to record down sins God? I pity you and I never envy you.

But the reason why many Muslims are infatuated with sex is because they have not submitted themselves to Christ to wash their dirty hearts cleansed with his precious blood.

He preaches, while is summer is going to be filled with sex with the nigerian girlfriend. Who wants what you have if the blood of Jesus cant clean you by now, it is either that the blood is fake or you are fake or both of you are fae. Why would I want to be in the rank of fakery or accept fakery? I need water to make wudu and talk to my Allah in secrecy and in public in prayers/salah and supplications. Keep your blood that is not even useful to you as you continue to have sex about the places with the Nigerian girlfriend. There is no honoring of your invite here.

Instead they follow a sex mad, warrior called Muhammad filled with hate, malice and murder.

Muhammad [as] forgave the jewish woman who poisoned meat and gave it to him. Muhammad forgave all of Makka when they expected that his army will have them all killed. He forgave Taif, where they almost killed him. He never broke hos covenant with any group, except that they broke it which then stopped him from still keeping any obligation to those who abused the obligational responsibilities of the coenant/oath. I cant say the same about the Biblical trium personalities. For example Jesus never forgave anyone who offended him. Gie me a name, if you are sure. A man who never have sex cant be a role model for being a husband, a father, a family man. Heck he insulted his poor young virgin mother and the so called step father. Why she is stilled called a virgin after having sex with old man Capenter Joseph.

Is this your role model ? Well you need a new one.

Just in case I confused you with another christian guy whose family is in Hotel business, with freaky strick in his blood, I apologise. But the message is clear. You sir, have a girlfriend, somewhere. You are not a virgin with all the nightclub scene where even 9ja women are like easy pickings, to the point that some of you men are now on the down low or even openly gay guys. Dont make me laugh; I will never worship who/what you worship. To you is your way of Trinity. To me is my way of One COmplete God without partner.[/quote]