Like the Christians;

1. Muslims believe in Jesus as a mighty prophet of God (Qur'an 19:30).
2. Muslims believe in Jesus miraculous birth(Qur'an 21:91)
3. Muslims believe in all the miracles Jesus performed during his earthly ministry (Qur'an 5:110)
4. Muslims believe in Jesus ascension to heaven (Qur'an 4:158)
5. Muslims believe in Jesus 2nd coming toward the end of the world.(Qur'an 43:57-61)
But on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, this is what the Qur'an says;
"That they ( i:e the Jews) said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they KILL HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not (Qur'an 4:157)"
Here are six powerful biblical reasons why Qur'an must be true in saying that Jesus was not crucified;
1. Jesus prayed to God in the garden of Gethsemane in THREE DIFFERENT CONSECUTIVE TIMES asking for the "cup (i:e the crucifixion)" to be taken away from him;
“My Father, if it is possible, MAY THIS CUP BE TAKEN AWAY FROM ME. Yet not as I will, but as you will" (see Matthew 26:36-44)".
Jesus said; "IF IT IS POSSIBLE". YET EVERYTHING, THAT IS REASONABLE, IS POSSIBLE FOR GOD . And it is reasonable for God to save Jesus Christ from being crucified by his enemy.
Therefore, if God already knew that he would not answer this Jesus' prayer, then God must have kept the tongue of Jesus from using the phrase "IF IT IS POSSIBLE" because everything that is reasonable is possible for God.
Since God deliberately allowed Jesus to use the Phrase "IF IT IS POSSIBLE" in his prayer for the crucifixion to be taken away from him, then God must have answered Jesus prayer and then he must have escaped the crucifixion because everything that is reasonable is possible for God.
Why would God not answer his prayer when the soul of Jesus was EXCEEDINGLY SORROWFUL EVEN UNTO DEATH (Matthew 26:38) and prayed so earnestly to the extent that his SWEAT WAS LIKE DROPS OF BLOOD falling down to the ground (Luke 22:44). Remember, the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man ( let alone a righteous and beloved prophet of God like Jesus) avails much (James 5:16).
However, according to the Christian scholars, God still allowed Jesus to be crucified by his enemy DESPITE ALL HIS BLOOD SWEATING PRAYER because there is NO OTHER WAY for God to save the children of Adam from eternal damnation except through Jesus crucifixion.
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY for omnipotent and omniscient God ? Does this submission make any sense to you? Honestly, this is nothing but blasphemy and insult against the Majesty of God!
If God is All-powerful and All-knowing Creator, why must He be compelled to follow one particular way- especially a way that will later require Him to KILL and CURSE (see the 2nd point below) His only begotten son . Is that how an innocent, righteous and beloved son should be treated by his merciful and lovely Father ?
If it is an act of INJUSTICE for a merciful and lovely Father to FREELY forgive and save His OWN sinful children, then is it not a GREATER act of INJUSTICE for the same Father to kill and curse the ONLY righteous child among them ?
In fact, the whole story of Christianity can be summarized as follows;
"There is one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children became sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".
Before the advent of Christianity, can anybody in his right sense have just 1% belief in this story ?
But here we have today in our midst, men of knowledge and intellect and particularly professionals who have 100% belief in this story when the same story is repackaged and adorned with attire of religion.
2. Anyone that is hanged or crucified is accursed by God:
"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, BEING MADE A CURSE for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE that is hanged on a tree (Galatians 3:13)". See also Deuteronomy 21:23.
Yet it is totally against the divine principle for God to put His innocent, righteous and beloved son (or prophet) under His curse for any reason whatsoever.
Matthew 25:41says;
"Then he(Jesus) will also say to those on the LEFT HAND, Depart from me, you CURSED, into the everlasting fire, prepared for the DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS".
As you can see from the verse above: It is only those on the LEFT HAND who belong to the group of the "DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS " that are usually under the CURSE of God. It is impossible for an innocent, righteous and beloved prophet of God like Jesus to be under the SAME CURSE with the devil and his angels because he never did anything wrong or anything against the will of his Father. Therefore, Jesus must escape the crucifixion in order not to become an "accursed son of God" or "accursed prophet" or "accursed messiah".
3. Jesus was not sent to the entire world to die for our sins. He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24).
If Jesus was really sent to the entire world to die for both the Israelites and the Gentiles, then why did he have to tell that Canaanite woman that he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:21-24) ? Even if, according to the divine plan, Jesus and his apostles would first minister to the Israelites before the Gentiles, then Jesus' statement directed to that woman should have been: "IT IS NOT YET TIME FOR THE GENTILES" or something similar in meaning rather than “I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”. Why did Jesus have to say he was sent only to the Israelites if he was truly sent to the entire world to die on the cross for our sins ? This single fact alone is enough to prove that Jesus did not come to the world to die for our sins.
4. The sins of the sinners CANNOT be laid upon the righteous;
"The soul that sinned, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE RIGHTEOUS shall be upon him, and the WICKEDNESS OF THE WICKED shall be upon him" (Ezekiel 18:20).
Remember, this verse completely NULLIFY the main christian ideology which says : "the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon the righteous (i:e all the sin of sinners shall be laid upon Jesus Christ- 2 Corinthians 5:21, 1Peter 2:24, Hebrew 9:28)".
One important question need to be answered;
If the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him (as the verse above declare) and NOT upon the righteous (as the Christians use to claim), then how can the wicked be saved and not die as a result of his wickedness ?
Again, the book of Ezekiel answer this question;
"Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then TURN FROM THEIR SINS and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil --THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live (Ezekiel 33:10-16)".
Have you now seen that there is no need for the righteous to bear the sins of the sinners before the sinners can be saved and lived. The sinners can simply atone for their sins by REPENTANCE.
Jesus confirmed this truth when he said; I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).
If Jesus has actually come to die for the sinners, he would have mentioned it in this verse since he was talking about the purpose of his coming WITH RESPECT TO THE SINNERS.
5. The death of Jesus on the cross is NOT necessary; Old testament believers were able to gain salvation without Jesus crucifixion.
God can decide to forgive our sins and earn our salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE (see Ezekiel 33:10-16 quoted above) coupled with ANNUAL ANIMAL SACRIFICE ;
"He is to lay both hands on the head of the live GOAT and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites —ALL THEIR SINS— and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the GOAT away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. The GOAT will carry on itself ALL THEIR SINS to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness....... .. Then, before the Lord, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS (Leviticus 16:21-30)"
Here we read in the last verse ; “Then before the LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS” (Leviticus 16:30).
Yet the new Testament proclaimed that; " It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to TAKE AWAY SINS (Hebrew 10:4)".
This is a flat contradiction. Is there any difference between "CLEAN FROM ALL SINS" and "TAKE AWAY SINS" ?
The only way to resolve this contradiction is when we assume that the phrase "TAKE AWAY SINS" in Hebrews 10:4 implies "complete removal of humanity sinful nature" and NOT referring to "cleanliness from already committed sins".
However, complete removal of humanity sinful nature is impossible as NOBODY can be completely FREE from committing sins (see 1 John:8-10).
Therefore, Hebrew 10:4 is a great lie deliberately fabricated by Paul to weaken the atonement of sins through animal sacrifice and then justify atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion.
Therefore, if the main purpose of Jesus crucifixion is to achieve forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins, then the death of Jesus on the cross IS NOT NECESSARY; IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY as claimed by the Christian scholars. God can decide to forgive our sins through sincere repentance or through animal sacrifice as He has done with the Old testament believers that lived and died before Jesus arrival.
Some Christians might want to argue that Jesus crucifixion make us entitle to many spiritual benefits that GO BEYOND forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins. But no matter how numerous the spiritual benefits that can be derived from Jesus crucifixion, there is no way for such benefits to be ACTUALIZED in the life of the Old Testament believers (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because they have lived and died before Jesus arrival talk less of his supposed crucifixion. Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconciliation back to God (because there is no any biblical verse that says these Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion). So if these old testament believers, who happened to be among the children of Adam, were able to gain their salvation without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for the other children of Adam to gain their salvation WITHOUT Jesus crucifixion.
6. The act of crucifying one human being (Jesus ) to save the humanity from one problem or the other is nothing but human sacrifice. Yet God Almighty hates human sacrifice (see Deuteronomy 12:31 and Leviticus 18:21 ).
If, according to the Christians, God Almighty can carry out human sacrifice, then what is the difference between Christianity and traditional African religions which also support human sacrifice? Is there any difference between the two ? As Jesus was not willing to die (see the first reason above) so also the victims of the traditional African religions are not willing to die.
Paul declare as follows;
"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain (Galatians 2:21)".
So according to Paul “human sacrifice” is the grace of God. Yet the same Christians, who agree that Paul is right in his claim, would continue to condemn traditional Africa religions for engaging in human sacrifice. Why the double standard since “human sacrifice” is “human sacrifice” ?
WAS JESUS REALLY CRUCIFIED ?
The Holy Quran replies and the choice is yours: “they KILL HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM ( Holy Quran 4:157)".
Now let us assume that Jesus crucifixion is true. Do you think Muslims are deserve to be condemned by God on the last day simply because they fail to believe in Jesus crucifixion despite all their five beliefs (cited at the beginning) concerning Jesus Christ?
To answer this question, let suppose the following conversation take place between God Almighty and the Muslims on the day of Judgement on the assumption that Jesus crucifixion is true
God: O you Muslims why did you refuse to believe in Jesus crucifixion ?
Muslims : O Lord our God and creator, Qur'an make us to believe in Jesus as Your mighty prophet who was born miraculously by virgin Mary. Qur'an also make us to believe in all the miracles that Jesus performed during his earthly ministry. Furthermore, Qur'an make us to believe in Jesus'ascension to heaven and that he is coming back toward the end of the world. So it is also written in the same Qur'an that Jesus was not crucified.
God; Yes, your Qur'an is true regarding all those things it mentioned concerning Jesus. But why are you so sure that your Qur'an did not get it wrong on the issue of Jesus crucifixion ?
Muslims: O Lord our God and Creator, the reason why we believe that Qur'an is also true on the issue of Jesus crucifixion is because Bible also declare that anyone that is crucified is accursed by God (Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13) and it is is not possible for You as a God of love, mercy and justice to put your innocent and beloved prophet under Your curse. From the logical reasoning you gave to us as human being, we realized that only the devils and his followers are deserved to be under your curse: NOT your innocent, righteous and beloved prophet like Jesus Christ, who never did anything against Your Will. You are naturally known to always BLESS Your innocent, righteous and beloved prophets and never to CURSE any one of them.
Please do you think God Almighty can still have an evidence against the Muslims concerning the issue of Jesus crucifixion base on this reasonable reply ?
Consequently, even if Jesus crucifixion is true, Muslims CANNOT BE CONDEMNED by God for not believing in it; they CANNOT BE PERISHED. Yet Paul wrote in his epistle:
"the message of the cross ( i:e Jesus crucifixion) is foolishness to those who are PERISHING (1st Corinthians 1:18)".
See how Paul got it wrong!
Jesus crucifixion is one of the FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS of the present day Christianity . You will notice that the symbol of "CROSS" used to represent Christianity stands for Jesus crucifixion. In other words, if there is no Jesus crucifixion, then there is no Christianity.
Hence, if the ONLY true faith from God is Christianity, then being one of the foundational pillars of Christianity, NOBODY MUST HAVE A STRONG AND REASONABLE EXCUSE for not believing in Jesus crucifixion . However, as we have shown above, Muslims have a strong and reasonable excuse for not believing in Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, the ONLY true faith from God is NOT Christianity. And if the ONLY true faith from God is not Christianity, then Christianity must be a FALSE faith. Being a false faith, Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Christianity.
Therefore, in order not to neglect Jesus completely, all Christians must embrace Islam. This is because apart from Christianity, Islam is the only faith on earth that make believing in Jesus and all other biblical prophets as one of the basic and most fundamental article of its faith.

There are some Christians who wanted to argue that Allah deceived the people into thinking that Jesus was crucified and this is trickery and deception on the part of Allah.

This is my reply;

There was a time that all the people of the world believed that Earth is flat in shape due to HOW IT APPEAR PHYSICALLY TO THEIR SENSE OF SIGHT. Yet the Earth is not flat in shape but spherical
Now suppose God sent a prophet to this ancient people . And it was written in a book given to this prophet as follows;
"That they said( in boast):Earth is flat in shape. But the Earth is not flat in shape, BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM. They have no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety, the earth is not flat in shape but spherical".
Based on this fact, Please can we say God Almighty deceived this people into thinking that Earth is flat ? Can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the Earth to look as being flat in shape IN THE EYES OF THESE ANCIENT PEOPLE?
Another analogy is the case of evolution. Evolutionists believe that human being evolved from great African apes due to vague resemblance between the physical appearance and the DNA of these two species . Now if God says ; "Human being did not evolve from apes. BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM", can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the the DNA and physical appearance of apes and human being to look alike in the EYES OF THESE EVOLUTIONISTS ?
All these are not trickery or deception on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of this ancient people and on the part of evolutionists.
Similar thing occur on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, Almost all the people of the earth including both the Jews and Christians believed that Jesus was crucified due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about what really happened. This is the reason why God says; "and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow( Qur'an 4:157).
Therefore, Allah's statement " but so it was made to appear to them" that Jesus was crucified is NOT TRICKERY OR DECEPTION on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE ON THE PART OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED THE EVENTS.

Therefore, this fallacious argument cannot be used to justify the story of "one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children became sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".

Every son bears his father's name....just as i can't answer yours.

A carnal mind does not understand the way of God for it foolishness unto him.

Op, Islam is a satanic religion it has nothing to do with the God of the Bible.

The God of the Bible performs miracles to convince people of His power and might.

But the god of the Islam is powerless and has to kill through his prophet to convince people he is a god.

The God of the Bible divided the Red Sea but no Allah could not show the world any power

The God of the Bible raised the dead but Allah could not save the children of Muhammad and Muhammad himself died of ordinary poison.

The Bible told us why Islam should never be considered as a religion because , Salvation is of the Jews . And Ishmaelites are not Jews .

God told Abraham to send Ishmael and his mother away from the promised child Isaac who was a Jew.

John 4:22 KJV
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Genesis 17:19-22 KJV
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my COVENANT with him for an EVERLASTING COVENANT , and with his seed after him.
[20] And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
[21] But my COVENANT will I establish with ISAAC, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
[22] And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

Muhammad was an idol worshipper and a liar.

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

The black stone is now on the wall of the kabaah which Muslims face everyday and pray towards . That is idolatry

Godisperfect77:
There are some Christians who wanted to argue that Allah deceived the people into thinking that Jesus was crucified and this is trickery and deception on the part of Allah.

This is my reply;

There was a time that all the people of the world believed that Earth is flat in shape due to HOW IT APPEAR PHYSICALLY TO THEIR SENSE OF SIGHT. Yet the Earth is not flat in shape but spherical
Now suppose God sent a prophet to this ancient people . And it was written in a book given to this prophet as follows;
"That they said( in boast):Earth is flat in shape. But the Earth is not flat in shape, BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM. They have no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety, the earth is not flat in shape but spherical".
Based on this fact, Please can we say God Almighty deceived this people into thinking that Earth is flat ? Can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the Earth to look as being flat in shape IN THE EYES OF THESE ANCIENT PEOPLE?
Another analogy is the case of evolution. Evolutionists believe that human being evolved from great African apes due to vague resemblance between the physical appearance and the DNA of these two species . Now if God says ; "Human being did not evolve from apes. BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM", can we say God stoop to the level of trickery by making the the DNA and physical appearance of apes and human being to look alike in the EYES OF THESE EVOLUTIONISTS ?
All these are not trickery or deception on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE on the part of this ancient people and on the part of evolutionists.
Similar thing occur on the issue of Jesus crucifixion, Almost all the people of the earth including both the Jews and Christians believed that Jesus was crucified due to their INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE about what really happened. This is the reason why God says; "and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, but only conjecture to follow( Qur'an 4:157).
Therefore, Allah's statement " but so it was made to appear to them" that Jesus was crucified is NOT TRICKERY OR DECEPTION on the part of God but MISCONCEPTION DUE TO INCOMPLETE KNOWLEDGE ON THE PART OF THOSE WHO WITNESSED THE EVENTS.

Therefore, this fallacious argument cannot be used to justify the story of "one powerful and merciful Father who killed and cursed His ONLY righteous child simply because He wanted to forgive and save His remaining sinful children: Yet how the remaining sinful children became sinful is NOT without His knowledge and power".

But it is true that. Allah(Swt) Allowed Christeinas to be tricked in other for them to be saved and guided to the light of Islam.

Bro anybody that submit is will 2 GOD Is a muslim jesus is a muslim am rily happy u no the truth

There are so much nonsense in Islam that should make one to know that Islam is satanic religion and not from God Almighty.

KILLING OF DOGS AND SPARING SNAKES?

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 530:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Nafi:

Ibn 'Umar used to kill snakes but when Abu Lubaba informed him that the Prophet had forbidden the killing of snakes living in houses, he gave up killing them.

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 518:

Narrated Ibn Umar:

That he heard the Prophet delivering a sermon on the pulpit saying, "Kill snakes and kill Dhu-at-Tufyatain (i.e. a snake with two white lines on its back) and ALBATROSS (i.e. a snake with short or mutilated tail) for they destroy the sight of one's eyes and bring about abortion." ('Abdullah bin 'Umar further added): Once while I was chasing a snake in order, to kill it, Abu Lubaba called me saying: "Don't kill it," I said. "Allah's Apostle ordered us to kill snakes." He said, "But later on he prohibited the killing of snakes living in the houses." (Az-Zubri said. "Such snakes are called Al-Awamir."


Volume 4, Book 54, Number 540:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.



COCKS CROW :

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 522:
Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "When you hear the crowing of cocks, ask for Allah's Blessings for (their crowing indicates that) they have seen an angel. And when you hear the braying of donkeys, seek Refuge with Allah from Satan for (their braying indicates) that they have seen a Satan."

THE NOSE OF MUSLIMS HOUSES SATAN :

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516:
Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

YAWNING IS FROM SATAN :

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509:
Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him."


FEVER IS FROM HELL :

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 486:
Bukhari :
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

The Prophet said, "Fever is from the heat of the (Hell) Fire; so abate fever with water."


A WET NURSE IN PARADISE :

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 477:
Bukhari :
Narrated Al-Bara (bin Azib):

The Prophet, after the death of his son Ibrahim, said, "There is a wet-nurse for him (i.e. Ibrahim) in Paradise."

All these hadiths you relied upon to rubbish Islam are nothing but words of human beings which are liable to commit error. They are not divine word of God coming directly from His mouth. There are strong hadiths as well as weak and fabricated hadiths which are attributed falsely to the prophet. So they are not strong enough for you to reject Islam and prefer the religion of a Merciful and Powerful Father who KILLED AND CURSED HIS ONLY RIGHTEOUS CHILD SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO FORGIVE AND SAVE HIS REMAINING SINFUL CHILDREN; YET HOW HIS REMAINING SINFUL CHILDREN BECAME SINFUL IS NOT WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE AND POWER.

Abdulgaffar22:
All these hadiths you relied upon to rubbish Islam are nothing but words of human beings which are liable to commit error. They are not divine word of God coming directly from His mouth. There are strong hadiths as well as weak and fabricated hadiths which are attributed falsely to the prophet. So they are not strong enough for you to reject Islam and prefer the religion of a Merciful and Powerful Father who KILLED AND CURSED HIS ONLY RIGHTEOUS CHILD SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO FORGIVE AND SAVE HIS REMAINING SINFUL CHILDREN; YET HOW HIS REMAINING SINFUL CHILDREN BECAME SINFUL IS NOT WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE AND POWER.

This simply means the Quran is not complete if the Muslims world wide have to accept hearsay ( hadith ) to the Quran b4 it can make sense.

What you have to do is go to Saudi Arabia and tell them to abandon the hadiths .

Even your Quran is not from God our Creator but from the devil. That is why it is full if lies :

The Quran says the first Muslim was , Abraham , Moses , Some Egyptians and Muhammad. That is the reason people confronted Muhammad that he was a liar :

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

This shows allah is not all knowing but an evil angel or demon.

When Muhammad committed adultery with his son's wife , he lied that it was allah :

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

Jesus is not cursed but a removal of curses . He removes curses and replaced them with blessing from him. Since he did not commit any sin . Only sinners are cursed :

Galatians 3:10-14 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[11] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[12] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Jesus redeemed us from curses and gave us blessings of Abraham , just as a rich man redeems a debtor from debt to grant him freedom to make wealth.

Hadiths are more authentic than the Quran because it reveals truth about who Muhammad was.

We are not serving allah but the God of Abraham , Isaac and Israel.

JESUS owns us all for He is the God of all flesh, who shed his blood to ransom all men to himself.

Those who believe this and confess it have passed from death unto life.

Jesus Christ is a fictional character introduced into the holy books by the Romans to make the folktales much more captivating.

If by now, you do not know that the Abrahamic religions (Islam, Christianity & Judaism) originated from Rome, your journey into Spiritual Awakening has not even started.

http://revelation12.ca/?p=1992

https://www.google.com.tr/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/774752/JESUS-prior-religions-CONTROL-the-people-roman/amp

http://sdrministries.org/romanislam.html

enilove:


This simply means the Quran is not complete if the Muslims world wide have to accept hearsay ( hadith ) to the Quran b4 it can make sense.

What you have to do is go to Saudi Arabia and tell them to abandon the hadiths .

Even your Quran is not from God our Creator but from the devil. That is why it is full if lies :

The Quran says the first Muslim was , Abraham , Moses , Some Egyptians and Muhammad. That is the reason people confronted Muhammad that he was a liar :

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

This shows allah is not all knowing but an evil angel or demon.

When Muhammad committed adultery with his son's wife , he lied that it was allah :

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

Jesus is not cursed but a removal of curses . He removes curses and replaced them with blessing from him. Since he did not commit any sin . Only sinners are cursed :

Galatians 3:10-14 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[11] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[12] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Jesus redeemed us from curses and gave us blessings of Abraham , just as a rich man redeems a debtor from debt to grant him freedom to make wealth.

Hadiths are more authentic than the Quran because it reveals truth about who Muhammad was.

We are not serving allah but the God of Abraham , Isaac and Israel.

My brother may peace be upon you and every other person here

The above verses needs to be well explained to you even though it is self explanatory enough

Firstly : The verse u quoted first i.e An-Nahl vs 101
Simply saying your Lord my Lord Allah (swt) is as lenient as possible on mankinds that HE finds all means to guide and lead (believers) in the easiest and best way possible by "taking a step by step teachings on how to understand HIS (swt) words
e. g the case of alcohol
Allah (swt) first said man should be cautious of drinking (drink responsibly)
and in the other verse that was actually substituted for it and still remains valid is when HE (swt) commands mankind not to touch it talkless of drinking it.



And on the other verse my brother
If you study the Qur'an so well, you should know by now that all aspect of life is what the Qur'an touches in terms of explanations in its verses.

The one in this particular verse Al-Ahzaab vs 37 is not an exception to the parts Allah explains or instructs on the woman (women) lawful to a man for marriage.

It's stated clearly that the adopted son of a man's wife can be married provided the adopted son divorces her or leave her by any means (in as much as it is not a wife to your biological son which is prohibited for you to marry in Islam)
All that the PROPHET did were just the doings Muslims are to emulate should we find ourselves in any of the situations making Islam a solution to all spheres issues of life arranged and designed by Allah (swt)

May Allah (swt) forgive all our shortcomings
Peace be unto us all

1ST premise: Jesus was accursed if he was really hanged or crucified
"........BEING MADE A CURSE for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE that is hanged on a tree (Galatians 3:13)".


2ND premise: Muslims have strong and genuine excuse for not believing in Jesus crucifixion. let assume the following conversations btw God and the Muslims take place on the last day.

God; Yes, your Qur'an is true regarding all those things it mentioned concerning Jesus. But why are you so sure that your Qur'an did not get it wrong on the issue of Jesus crucifixion ?


Muslims: O Lord our God and Creator, the reason why we believe that Qur'an is also true on the issue of Jesus crucifixion is because Bible also declare that anyone that is hanged i:e crucified is accursed by God (Galatians 3:13) and it is is not possible for You as a God of love, mercy and justice to put your innocent and beloved prophet under Your curse. From the logical reasoning you gave to us as human being, we realized that only the devils and his followers are deserved to be under your curse: NOT Your innocent, righteous and beloved prophet like Jesus Christ, who never did anything against Your Will. You are naturally known to always BLESS Your innocent, righteous and beloved prophets and never to CURSE any one of them.


3RD premise: "If the ONLY true faith from God is Christianity, then being one of the foundational pillars of Christianity, NOBODY MUST HAVE A STRONG AND REASONABLE EXCUSE for not believing in Jesus crucifixion


4TH premise: However, as we have shown above in the second premise, Muslims have a strong and reasonable excuse for not believing in Jesus crucifixion. Therefore, the ONLY true faith from God is NOT Christianity. And if the ONLY true faith from God is not Christianity, then Christianity must be a FALSE faith. Being a false faith, Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Christianity.

PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF GOD, which out of all these four premises is wrong and not true. ?

@Oladiplenty101

Zaid had not divorce Zainab b4 the revelation came.

Muhammad was always bringing out revelations to deceive the people in order to have his ways.
How can God ask you to marry someone's wife?
The bible says we should not divorce our wife and no one should marry a divorcee.

This is another case of Muhammad using fake revelations to deceive the Arabs :

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 314:

Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

When Allah's Apostle married Zainab bint Jahsh, he invited the people to a meal. They took the meal and remained sitting and talking. Then the Prophet (showed them) as if he is ready to get up, yet they did not get up. When he noticed that (there was no response to his movement), he got up, and the others too, got up except three persons who kept on sitting. The Prophet came back in order to enter his house, but he went away again. Then they left, whereupon I set out and went to the Prophet to tell him that they had departed, so he came and entered his house. I wanted to enter along with him, but he put a screen between me and him. Then Allah revealed:

'O you who believe! Do not enter the houses of the Prophet...' (33.53)

Allah SWT says:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَدْخُلُوا بُيُوتَ النَّبِىِّ إِلَّآ أَنْ يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ إِلٰى طَعَامٍ غَيْرَ نٰظِرِينَ إِنٰىهُ وَلٰكِنْ إِذَا دُعِيتُمْ فَادْخُلُوا فَإِذَا طَعِمْتُمْ فَانْتَشِرُوا وَلَا مُسْتَئْنِسِينَ لِحَدِيثٍ ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ يُؤْذِى النَّبِىَّ فَيَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنْكُمْ ۖ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۚ وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتٰعًا فَسْئَلُوهُنَّ مِنْ وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍ ۚ ذٰلِكُمْ أَطْهَرُ لِقُلُوبِكُمْ وَقُلُوبِهِنَّ ۚ وَمَا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَنْ تُؤْذُوا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَلَآ أَنْ تَنْكِحُوٓا أَزْوٰجَهُ ۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦٓ أَبَدًا ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ عَظِيمًا
"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 53)

* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B

enilove:
@Oladiplenty101

Zaid had not divorce Zainab b4 the revelation came.

Muhammad was always bringing out revelations to deceive the people in order to have his ways.
How can God ask you to marry someone's wife?
The bible says we should not divorce our wife and no one should marry a divorcee.

This is another case of Muhammad using fake revelations to deceive the Arabs :

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 314:

Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

When Allah's Apostle married Zainab bint Jahsh, he invited the people to a meal. They took the meal and remained sitting and talking. Then the Prophet (showed them) as if he is ready to get up, yet they did not get up. When he noticed that (there was no response to his movement), he got up, and the others too, got up except three persons who kept on sitting. The Prophet came back in order to enter his house, but he went away again. Then they left, whereupon I set out and went to the Prophet to tell him that they had departed, so he came and entered his house. I wanted to enter along with him, but he put a screen between me and him. Then Allah revealed:

'O you who believe! Do not enter the houses of the Prophet...' (33.53)

Allah SWT says:

يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا لَا تَدْخُلُوا بُيُوتَ النَّبِىِّ إِلَّآ أَنْ يُؤْذَنَ لَكُمْ إِلٰى طَعَامٍ غَيْرَ نٰظِرِينَ إِنٰىهُ وَلٰكِنْ إِذَا دُعِيتُمْ فَادْخُلُوا فَإِذَا طَعِمْتُمْ فَانْتَشِرُوا وَلَا مُسْتَئْنِسِينَ لِحَدِيثٍ ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ يُؤْذِى النَّبِىَّ فَيَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنْكُمْ ۖ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَسْتَحْىِۦ مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۚ وَإِذَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُنَّ مَتٰعًا فَسْئَلُوهُنَّ مِنْ وَرَآءِ حِجَابٍ ۚ ذٰلِكُمْ أَطْهَرُ لِقُلُوبِكُمْ وَقُلُوبِهِنَّ ۚ وَمَا كَانَ لَكُمْ أَنْ تُؤْذُوا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَلَآ أَنْ تَنْكِحُوٓا أَزْوٰجَهُ ۥ مِنۢ بَعْدِهِۦٓ أَبَدًا ۚ إِنَّ ذٰلِكُمْ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ عَظِيمًا
"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 53)

* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B

Peace be unto u

My brother Zayd actually divorced her before the PROPHET married Zainab
Read the verse again Al-Ahzaab 37


Note:that was just to correct the impression that divorced women can still have a sense of belonging, and all the messengers actions were not really their will but that of Allah (swt)



Pls my friend give ur points on facts and not mere assumptions, may peace be unto u

Abdulgaffar22:
1ST premise:

PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF GOD, which out of all these four premises is wrong and not true. ?

All these your premises are self determined premises .

The fact that the Quran says Jesus was not crucified is enough to know that the Quran is of the devil.

The bible says that a debtor is a SERVANT TO THE LENDER . If you pay for someone's debt , does that make you a slave?

Proverbs 22:7 KJV
The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

Jesus came to pay for our sins by his blood . He said :

John 10:14-24 KJV
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep , and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
[16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
[17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
[19] There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
[20] And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
[21] Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
[22] And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
[23] And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
[24] Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Are you among those saying Jesus is mad?

Jesus remains blessed and God has highly glorify him by dying for our sins :

Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
[11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

CAN YOU ANSWER WHY JESUS CAME TO THIS WORLD?

Oladiplenty101:

Peace be unto u

My brother Zayd actually divorced her before the PROPHET married Zainab
Read the verse again Al-Ahzaab 37


Note:that was just to correct the impression that divorced women can still have a sense of belonging, and all the messengers actions were not really their will but that of Allah (swt)



Pls my friend give ur points on facts and not mere assumptions, may peace be unto u

I said the THE REVELATION CAME EVEN BEFORE THE DIVORCEMENT.
Is that an assumption?

What is the reason for marrying ones adopted sons wife , according to the Quran ?
So that other Muslims can do the same.

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, WE MARRIED HER TO YOU IN ORDER THAT THERE NOT BE UPON THE BELIEVERS ANY DISCOMFORT CONCERNING THE WIVES OF THEIR ADOPTED SONS WHEN THEY NO LONGER HAVE NEED OF THEM . And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

When and how can someone not have need of his wife ?

Was it a problem among the Arabs whether or not they could marry their adopted son's wives?

Why was the case of adopted children cancelled if its purpose was to serve as a guide to the Muslim believers?

Why would the same God tell people not to divorce and say again that one can divorce ? Is it the same God and why would he be unstable like that?

Kindly answer these 4 questions.

enilove:


I said the THE REVELATION CAME EVEN BEFORE THE DIVORCEMENT.
Is that an assumption?

What is the reason for marrying ones adopted sons wife , according to the Quran ?
So that other Muslims can do the same.

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, WE MARRIED HER TO YOU IN ORDER THAT THERE NOT BE UPON THE BELIEVERS ANY DISCOMFORT CONCERNING THE WIVES OF THEIR ADOPTED SONS WHEN THEY NO LONGER HAVE NEED OF THEM . And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

When and how can someone not have need of his wife ?

Was it a problem among the Arabs whether or not they could marry their adopted son's wives?

Why was the case of adopted children cancelled if its purpose was to serve as a guide to the Muslim believers?

Why would the same God tell people not to divorce and say again that one can divorce ? Is it the same God and why would he be unstable like that?

Kindly answer these 4 questions.

The story of Zaid is long in the history of Islam Zaid was a slave to Mrs kadeeja prophet 's wife so, she later gave him to prophet and he was so, kind to him one day Zaid's family came for their child and prophet asked Zaid if he knew them and he said yes and prophet asked Zaid if he preferred his family to him and Zaid respond that no he prefers to be slave under prophet than his parents because of the kindness and attitudes of prophet so prophet Muhammad went to kahba and announced Zaid as his son so, people started calling Zaid son of prophet Muhammad (SAW), so, when he grew up he got married with Zainab daughter of jaish but there was no love between them because Zaid was a black man so they divorce and Allah commands prophet to marry her back because Zainab was devoted Muslimah

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 23:
حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ أُمَّهَاتُكُمْ وَبَنَاتُكُمْ وَأَخَوَاتُكُمْ وَعَمَّاتُكُمْ وَخَالَاتُكُمْ وَبَنَاتُ الْأَخِ وَبَنَاتُ الْأُخْتِ وَأُمَّهَاتُكُمُ اللَّاتِي أَرْضَعْنَكُمْ وَأَخَوَاتُكُم مِّنَ الرَّضَاعَةِ وَأُمَّهَاتُ نِسَائِكُمْ وَرَبَائِبُكُمُ اللَّاتِي فِي حُجُورِكُم مِّن نِّسَائِكُمُ اللَّاتِي دَخَلْتُم بِهِنَّ فَإِن لَّمْ تَكُونُوا دَخَلْتُم بِهِنَّ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَحَلَائِلُ أَبْنَائِكُمُ الَّذِينَ مِنْ أَصْلَابِكُمْ وَأَن تَجْمَعُوا بَيْنَ الْأُخْتَيْنِ إِلَّا مَا قَدْ سَلَفَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا

Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

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Oladiplenty101:

Peace be unto u

My brother Zayd actually divorced her before the PROPHET married Zainab
Read the verse again Al-Ahzaab 37


Note:that was just to correct the impression that divorced women can still have a sense of belonging, and all the messengers actions were not really their will but that of Allah (swt)



Pls my friend give ur points on facts and not mere assumptions, may peace be unto u

Talking about point on fact, I think you the one that need that.

What are you saying, enilove is backing his claims up with the Quran and hadith,. You on the other hand is assuming.

Oladiplenty101:





The story of Zaid is long in the history of Islam Zaid was a slave to Mrs kadeeja prophet 's wife so, she later gave him to prophet and he was so, kind to him one day Zaid's family came for their child and prophet asked Zaid if he knew them and he said yes and prophet asked Zaid if he preferred his family to him and Zaid respond that no he prefers to be slave under prophet than his parents because of the kindness and attitudes of prophet so prophet Muhammad went to kahba and announced Zaid as his son so, people started calling Zaid son of prophet Muhammad (SAW), so, when he grew up he got married with Zainab daughter of jaish but there was no love between them because Zaid was a black man so they divorce and Allah commands prophet to marry her back because Zainab was devoted Muslimah

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 23:
حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمْ أُمَّهَاتُكُمْ وَبَنَاتُكُمْ وَأَخَوَاتُكُمْ وَعَمَّاتُكُمْ وَخَالَاتُكُمْ وَبَنَاتُ الْأَخِ وَبَنَاتُ الْأُخْتِ وَأُمَّهَاتُكُمُ اللَّاتِي أَرْضَعْنَكُمْ وَأَخَوَاتُكُم مِّنَ الرَّضَاعَةِ وَأُمَّهَاتُ نِسَائِكُمْ وَرَبَائِبُكُمُ اللَّاتِي فِي حُجُورِكُم مِّن نِّسَائِكُمُ اللَّاتِي دَخَلْتُم بِهِنَّ فَإِن لَّمْ تَكُونُوا دَخَلْتُم بِهِنَّ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَحَلَائِلُ أَبْنَائِكُمُ الَّذِينَ مِنْ أَصْلَابِكُمْ وَأَن تَجْمَعُوا بَيْنَ الْأُخْتَيْنِ إِلَّا مَا قَدْ سَلَفَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا

Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

Well , as a Muslim , you will want to justify what your prophet did as right.

But Jesus told us not to divorce our wives and no one should marry a divorcee :

Matthew 5:32 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Since Muhammad did not follow this law and the Muslims always follow whatever Muhammad said and did , then the Muslims are not followers of Jesus .

The means that Jesus belongs to the Christians and not the Muslims.

I also noticed you intentionally avoided my questions , that is okay , at least it is clear that the Muslims do not follow the commandments of Jesus but that of Muhammad.

enilove:


Well , as a Muslim , you will want to justify what your prophet did as right.

But Jesus told us not to divorce our wives and no one should marry a divorcee :

Matthew 5:32 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Since Muhammad did not follow this law and the Muslims always follow whatever Muhammad said and did , then the Muslims are not followers of Jesus .

The means that Jesus belongs to the Christians and not the Muslims.

I also noticed you intentionally avoided my questions , that is okay , at least it is clear that the Muslims do not follow the commandments of Jesus but that of Muhammad.

Based on Quran we learn that God discourages divorce and
encourages the continuation of marriage. Striving to
preserve marriage is a duty for both husband and wife,
even in extreme cases of misbehavior ( 4:34 , 4:128 ). The
discouragement of divorce is understood in the light of
2:226-227 where a 4-month cooling off period is issued
before considering the decision of separation, in 4:35 where
it is decreed that an arbitrator from each side should be
appointed to try to reconcile the couple, in 4:22-23 , where
God is stating that unlawful marriages (out of ignorance)
are not to be broken, in 2:232 where it states that
reconciling after divorce is purer and more righteous choice,
and in 2:229 where two chances are given to the divorced
couple to get back together
Divorce, however is decredd by God for the believers in
exceptional circumstances when all atempts of resolving
disputes between the spouses are failing. There have been a
lot of abuse and violation of God's laws when it comes to
divorce. There are also a lot of misconceptions about the
women's rights before, during and after the emotional
turmoil of divorce. This article is to state the laws relating to
divorce that are decreed by God in Quran and must be
followed by those who believe in God and reverence Him.

enilove:


Well , as a Muslim , you will want to justify what your prophet did as right.

But Jesus told us not to divorce our wives and no one should marry a divorcee :

Matthew 5:32 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Since Muhammad did not follow this law and the Muslims always follow whatever Muhammad said and did , then the Muslims are not followers of Jesus .

The means that Jesus belongs to the Christians and not the Muslims.

I also noticed you intentionally avoided my questions , that is okay , at least it is clear that the Muslims do not follow the commandments of Jesus but that of Muhammad.

Based on Quran we learn that God discourages divorce and
encourages the continuation of marriage. Striving to
preserve marriage is a duty for both husband and wife,
even in extreme cases of misbehavior ( 4:34 , 4:128 ). The
discouragement of divorce is understood in the light of
2:226-227 where a 4-month cooling off period is issued
before considering the decision of separation, in 4:35 where
it is decreed that an arbitrator from each side should be
appointed to try to reconcile the couple, in 4:22-23 , where
God is stating that unlawful marriages (out of ignorance)
are not to be broken, in 2:232 where it states that
reconciling after divorce is purer and more righteous choice,
and in 2:229 where two chances are given to the divorced
couple to get back together
Divorce, however is decredd by God for the believers in
exceptional circumstances when all atempts of resolving
disputes between the spouses are failing. There have been a
lot of abuse and violation of God's laws when it comes to
divorce. There are also a lot of misconceptions about the
women's rights before, during and after the emotional
turmoil of divorce. This article is to state the laws relating to
divorce that are decreed by God in Quran and must be
followed by those who believe in God and reverence Him.

Maamin:


Talking about point on fact, I think you the one that need that.

What are you saying, enilove is backing his claims up with the Quran and hadith,. You on the other hand is assuming.

Peace be unto u

The points in question is actually not from the Qur'an n Hadith he quoted, that was why I had to explain those verses to him as its been written.


I didn't pick outside the verse he highlighted neither

Please be attentive

He mentioned that the verse had been sent before the action, I never argued it.

He asked if we Muslims actually follow Jesus (may peace unto him), I said we did

He was now marveled if we did, why are we then considering the marriage with a divorcee



Now my brethren,

If the divorcee happens to be your sister, wld you allow her remained unmarried?

Absolutely I know u won't

(that reason actually gave rise to that decision and the verse he quoted from the Quran "Al-Ahzaab 37 " where it was practically explained that we can proceed to marrying a divorcee (no one is perfect)

Allah (God) is a Merciful one, he forgives and blesses who he wills

Who are we to question His verdicts?



Peace be unto us

enilove:


I said the THE REVELATION CAME EVEN BEFORE THE DIVORCEMENT.
Is that an assumption?

What is the reason for marrying ones adopted sons wife , according to the Quran ?
So that other Muslims can do the same.

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, WE MARRIED HER TO YOU IN ORDER THAT THERE NOT BE UPON THE BELIEVERS ANY DISCOMFORT CONCERNING THE WIVES OF THEIR ADOPTED SONS WHEN THEY NO LONGER HAVE NEED OF THEM . And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

When and how can someone not have need of his wife ?

Was it a problem among the Arabs whether or not they could marry their adopted son's wives?

Why was the case of adopted children cancelled if its purpose was to serve as a guide to the Muslim believers?

Why would the same God tell people not to divorce and say again that one can divorce ? Is it the same God and why would he be unstable like that?

Kindly answer these 4 questions.

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 229:
الطَّلَاقُ مَرَّتَانِ فَإِمْسَاكٌ بِمَعْرُوفٍ أَوْ تَسْرِيحٌ بِإِحْسَانٍ وَلَا يَحِلُّ لَكُمْ أَن تَأْخُذُوا مِمَّا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ شَيْئًا إِلَّا أَن يَخَافَا أَلَّا يُقِيمَا حُدُودَ اللَّهِ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا يُقِيمَا حُدُودَ اللَّهِ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِمَا فِيمَا افْتَدَتْ بِهِ تِلْكَ حُدُودُ اللَّهِ فَلَا تَعْتَدُوهَا وَمَن يَتَعَدَّ حُدُودَ اللَّهِ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

The divorce is twice, after that, either you retain her on reasonable terms or release her with kindness. And it is not lawful for you (men) to take back (from your wives) any of your Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) which you have given them, except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah (e.g. to deal with each other on a fair basis). Then if you fear that they would not be able to keep the limits ordained by Allah, then there is no sin on either of them if she gives back (the Mahr or a part of it) for her Al-Khul' (divorce). These are the limits ordained by Allah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits ordained by Allah, then such are the Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc.).
(English - Mohsin Khan)

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Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 230:
فَإِن طَلَّقَهَا فَلَا تَحِلُّ لَهُ مِن بَعْدُ حَتَّىٰ تَنكِحَ زَوْجًا غَيْرَهُ فَإِن طَلَّقَهَا فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِمَا أَن يَتَرَاجَعَا إِن ظَنَّا أَن يُقِيمَا حُدُودَ اللَّهِ وَتِلْكَ حُدُودُ اللَّهِ يُبَيِّنُهَا لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ

And if he has divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she has married another husband. Then, if the other husband divorces her, it is no sin on both of them that they reunite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. These are the limits of Allah, which He makes plain for the people who have knowledge.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

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Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 232:
وَإِذَا طَلَّقْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَبَلَغْنَ أَجَلَهُنَّ فَلَا تَعْضُلُوهُنَّ أَن يَنكِحْنَ أَزْوَاجَهُنَّ إِذَا تَرَاضَوْا بَيْنَهُم بِالْمَعْرُوفِ ذَٰلِكَ يُوعَظُ بِهِ مَن كَانَ مِنكُمْ يُؤْمِنُ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَزْكَىٰ لَكُمْ وَأَطْهَرُ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ

And when you have divorced women and they have fulfilled the term of their prescribed period, do not prevent them from marrying their (former) husbands, if they mutually agree on reasonable basis. This (instruction) is an admonition for him among you who believes in Allah and the Last Day. That is more virtuous and purer for you. Allah knows and you know not.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

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Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 228:
وَالْمُطَلَّقَاتُ يَتَرَبَّصْنَ بِأَنفُسِهِنَّ ثَلَاثَةَ قُرُوءٍ وَلَا يَحِلُّ لَهُنَّ أَن يَكْتُمْنَ مَا خَلَقَ اللَّهُ فِي أَرْحَامِهِنَّ إِن كُنَّ يُؤْمِنَّ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَبُعُولَتُهُنَّ أَحَقُّ بِرَدِّهِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ إِنْ أَرَادُوا إِصْلَاحًا وَلَهُنَّ مِثْلُ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَلِلرِّجَالِ عَلَيْهِنَّ دَرَجَةٌ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ

And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

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