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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by SarcasticGenius(m): 8:14am On Sep 07, 2018
Proffdada:
no conditions made you paranoid because you are criminal

You seem to be very familiar with paranoia and criminality. Are they genetic traits in your family?
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by obimag(m): 8:15am On Sep 07, 2018
Why avoiding the market reform Oby posted which would have given Nigerian Companies a big space to participate in the infrastructural projects.


jomoh:


No one is a fool here and they recognize the fact that one has to be weary of the Chinese loan but here are the real point the guy made to counter your Aunty you’re so much willing to lick her behind.

1. The only pitfall with Chinese loans is when you’re unable to pay back they takeover the project as their own(has happened in some other African countries) however, the infrastructure has been put in place and they won’t remove it.

2. The West don’t care if you use the loan for the purpose it is meant for. They don’t care if the money is embezzled or not. That is why they keep giving loans to corrupt regime of GEJ because they more you embezzle the more you’re unable to pay and the more enslaved you become.

3. The Chinese don’t deal with thieves, they put their money where their mouth is and make sure the loans are used for the purpose they’re meant for.

4. This is the most dangerous part of the western loan. The Chinese don’t require the government to retrench its civil Servants when they default or are unable to pay up. The West on the other hand as part of its loan conditions will require the government to retrench Ita civil servants.

The bottom line is that, everyone recognize that China is not Santa Claus but their intention is far more genuine and open than the west’s. Even the west recognize this and they fear China taking over but with lesser or no intention to enslave that is why they’ve being in a panick mode since the China-Africa summit.

They know their milking cows are about to be set free. If not when was the last time a British PM or a German chancellor or French President visited Africa let alone in the same year.

Unfortunately for them and fortunately for Africa, their leader(the US) is under the leadership of a mad man.
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Nobody: 8:17am On Sep 07, 2018
Even America goes to China to produce her goods , why shouldn’t we go there to take loans.

What we should be saying is the government should be serious about repayment and development.

Only serious minded people go to China for anything cos the Chinese are strictly business
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by SarcasticGenius(m): 8:17am On Sep 07, 2018
Lucid1:



You missed the part where Chinese loans must be used for what they’re taken for.

I think Chinese loans are better. We need to find out first hand from the federal government, what the terms and conditions of the loans are before supporting either of those Tweeters

The only term is that the money should be paid back. The Chinese have NEVER specified that loans given by them should be used for what they've been taken for. This is the biggest source of criticism that most development economists have with Chinese loans.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by plerry: 8:18am On Sep 07, 2018
in the first place no loan is ever given to enrich the recipient, our issue should be why take a loan from the Chinese when an exact amount of money ''the abacha loot'' repatriated to Nigeria was spent with stupidity and hanky panky.. why share 5k and 10k to fake agbo Jedi sellers and ghost poor people when the money could have been used to foster development without having to borrow, china could oversee the construction but we wouldn't have been indebted to them if the share of technology and trade was truly their idea..let us just say it as it is we have clueless moronic people in power

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Nobody: 8:21am On Sep 07, 2018
If Buhari’s government hadn’t taken these loans and PDP by chance won the elections next year, they’d still have gone to China for these same loans and Oby would be applauding.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by luckyogor(m): 8:21am On Sep 07, 2018
Ezeks just ignored him,biog speeches impress Nigerians too much.
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Nobody: 8:23am On Sep 07, 2018
SarcasticGenius:


The only term is that the money should be paid back. The Chinese have NEVER specified that loans given by them should be used for what they've been taken for. This is the biggest source of criticism that most development economists have with Chinese loans.

Shouldn’t a loan be repaid?

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Buffalowings3(m): 8:24am On Sep 07, 2018
Zombies are masturbating already

The dullard one shared 300million then went to borrow 300 million
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by AlphaStyles(m): 8:25am On Sep 07, 2018
you can ask sri lanka what chinese loans are
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by obailala(m): 8:27am On Sep 07, 2018
SarcasticGenius:


I'm sorry but both the young man and his supporters are missing the point entirely. IMF loans at interest rates of 0.75 with conditionalities of cutting down overbloated bureaucracy is much better than the Chinese loan of 3% interest rate with absolutely no strings attached.

Mr Somoye and his boot lickers also overlooked the fact that one of the key conditionalities of IMF loans is that you must account for how you spend it otherwise they won't give you anymore loans.

The Chinese are giving loans WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS to our leaders and instead of being worried about this flagrant disregard for public accountability we are busy rubbishing the only person in the country who is speaking the truth.

You guys will suffer in the long run, mark my words.


The Chinese are giving your government loans WITH ABSOLUTELY NO CONDITIONS. A government that has no track record of accounting for how it spends money. That means that even if the money is embezzled, the Chinese don't give a hoot as long as they have laid a trap for you and enslaved you as a perpetual debtor. You should be weeping, but instead you are shining your teeth like village illiterates. A reality check is coming.

I think one point I've gathered from this argument is this; the Chinese give infrastructure and not money, and that already nullifies your argument.

You claim the IMF gives money and monitors what it's used for but the Chinese give without condition?... With all the IMF loans Nigeria and other African countries have received over the decades, how come we still struggle to point out the location of infrastructure these loans were used for?... Whereas on the other hand, the Chinese build infrastructure directly without handing cash over to our kleptomaniac leaders; in Nigeria today we can point out the functional Abuja to Kaduna rail, the Lagos to Ibadan rail, the negotiations for Mambilla are ongoing etc.

After so many decades of enriching klepto leaders who in turn return the stolen funds to western banks, it's amusing that we still have Nigerians who still BELIEVE the IMF actually cares about how the loans they give to Africa are spent.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by stankezzy: 8:29am On Sep 07, 2018
You can't compare chinese loans to western loan , Chinese loan is a welly packaged poison, forget about interest and enforcement , think about when u default or unable to pay , the west do nothing, they even have what they call debt relief or debt forgiveness which nigeria have benefited in during obasanjos time but chinese if u are unable to pay they take over your country, no mercy, go and ask Argentina, Philippines, costarica , Zimbabwe just to mention few , do u know that change of government in Zimbabwe was ordered by the Chinese , please don't drink a beautifully packaged poison, everything in this country must not be politics even when one is right

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by abdulrazak07(m): 8:30am On Sep 07, 2018
Y didn't she reply him again?

Guess she didn't kn Wat she was talking abt or jst need attention of followers... Anyway she got one.

She better delete d post.

What her impact sef wen she was minister?

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Andrewkinggg: 8:31am On Sep 07, 2018
Africans never learn. African needs to take a cue and lesson from Sri Lanka & Jamaica.

Because of Sril Lanka couldn't service their loans they lost their major port to china while China helps to build roads in Jamaica along their coastal areas and each coastal areas the roads touch belongs to them hence they make a lot of money from Jamaica's tourism.

Who knows the details of this loans Buhari is always getting from China. I hope it doesn't enslaves us in the long run

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Nobody: 8:31am On Sep 07, 2018
centoke30:

She gave the guy what he needed which was silence after making her point. silence is the best answer for a fool and you don't expect her to banter words with him

After reading his tweets she must have felt the same way i feel when interacting with some nairalanders "OMG I am debating with a numbskull" The guy does not understand finance you dont just multiply the interest rate by term to determine which is cheaper!!!

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by hahahahahaha(m): 8:31am On Sep 07, 2018
SoNature:
I bet that most of you up there commenting had no idea what the guy is talking about.

You were impressed that he was flying figures around and that other commentators praised him

I know there are many senseless youths in this country, but please stop displaying your foolishness if you have no reasonable contribution to make

If u quote me, I won't reply you
The way the OP cherry picked reply made it look like the guy had the upper hand, and trust we Nigerian youths, no space in our brain for critical thinking. Anyways the guy made some valid points.
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by aku626(m): 8:33am On Sep 07, 2018
Judging by accolades oby knows better.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by SarcasticGenius(m): 8:34am On Sep 07, 2018
obailala:
I think one point I've gathered from this argument is this; the Chinese give infrastructure and not money, and that already nullifies your argument.

You claim the IMF gives money and monitors what it's used for but the Chinese give without condition?... With all the IMF loans Nigeria and other African countries have received over the decades, how come we still struggle to point out the location of infrastructure these loans were used for?... Whereas on the other hand, the Chinese build infrastructure directly without handing cash over to our klepto leaders, in Nigeria today we can point out the functional Abuja to Kaduna rail, the Lagos to Ibadan rail, the negotiations for Mambilla are ongoing etc.

That is where you're wrong. Nigeria's huge indebtedness for which the OBJ administration managed to get debt pardons came from Private Creditors, the so called Paris Club and London Club. These private creditors would charge interest rates as high as 25% which is why our debt was as crippling as it was.

Nigeria hasn't really borrowed that much from the IMF because our leaders don't want to follow the strict spending oversight conditions that come with IMF loans. That is why they would rather borrow loans at higher interest rates which don't specify how they should spend the borrowed money. What is happening these days is that the Chinese have simply picked up from where the Paris and London creditors left off.

The slave nature of these loans will only become evident in the long run.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Nobody: 8:35am On Sep 07, 2018
abdulrazak07:
Y didn't she reply him again?

Guess she didn't kn Wat she was talking abt or jst need attention of followers... Anyway she got one.

She better delete d post.

What her impact sef wen she was minister?

she didnt reply because from his analysis (which may have fooled ignoramuses) it was clear the guy doesnt understand finance.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by chronique(m): 8:36am On Sep 07, 2018
jomoh:
More...


Even Dr Joe Abah had to support Mr Somoyes argument.

So a loan with a 12 years maturity that cumulatively adds up to 43.2% is better than that of a 38 years maturity window and cumulatively adds up to 47.5%? Some of you have no business being in business or discussing anything finance.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Emmymarvel(m): 8:39am On Sep 07, 2018
centoke30:

She gave the guy what he needed which was silence after making her point. silence is the best answer for a fool and you don't expect her to banter words with him
people like u always think our corrupt leaders knows better

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Nobody: 8:43am On Sep 07, 2018
deomelo:
Oby is basically a twitter troll and just like the other trolls and anti Nigerian elements, they always come up with ignorant rubbish and misinformation to justify their trolling ways with and to satisfy her troll followers.


God Bless that young man for lecturing that twitter troll.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by obailala(m): 8:44am On Sep 07, 2018
stankezzy:
You can't compare chinese loans to western loan , Chinese loan is a welly packaged poison, forget about interest and enforcement , think about when u default or unable to pay , the west do nothing, they even have what they call debt relief or debt forgiveness which nigeria have benefited in during obasanjos time but chinese if u are unable to pay they take over your country, no mercy, go and ask Argentina, Philippines, costarica , Zimbabwe just to mention few , do u know that change of government in Zimbabwe was ordered by the Chinese , please don't drink a beautifully packaged poison, everything in this country must not be politics even when one is right
Why exactly should a person take a loan with the intention of not being able to payback?.... Why should a country take a loan with a preset mindset focused on debt relief in future?...Nothing ever goes for nothing! Not even the western loans are free; dont be swayed by the so called debt relief. Those western loans are still recouped through the backdoor indirectly through free access to resources and through kleptomaniac African leaders who still roundtrip the funds back.

Going by the experiences of African countries in the last decades with western loans, I think these Chinese loans are better as long as African leaders sit up, remain focused and learn to payback. If not for anything else, the Chinese arent giving physical cash to leaders, we can all see the physical infrastructure being financed by the loans.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by 4Play(m): 8:46am On Sep 07, 2018
obailala:
I think one point I've gathered from this argument is this; the Chinese give infrastructure and not money, and that already nullifies your argument.

You claim the IMF gives money and monitors what it's used for but the Chinese give without condition?... With all the IMF loans Nigeria and other African countries have received over the decades, how come we still struggle to point out the location of infrastructure these loans were used for?... Whereas on the other hand, the Chinese build infrastructure directly without handing cash over to our kleptomaniac leaders; in Nigeria today we can point out the functional Abuja to Kaduna rail, the Lagos to Ibadan rail, the negotiations for Mambilla are ongoing etc.

After so many decades of enriching klepto leaders who in turn return the stolen funds to western banks, it's amusing that we still have Nigerians who still BELIEVE the IMF actually cares about how the loans they give to Africa are spent.


The IMF does not provide loans for infrastructure spending. IMF lending is to deal with emergency situations where a country is facing a balance of payments crisis and needs an infusion of foreign currency. These Chinese loans are not a substitute or alternative to IMF loans. The proper comparison would be with World Bank loans.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by fokusmind: 8:46am On Sep 07, 2018
deomelo:
Oby is basically a twitter troll and just like the other trolls and anti Nigerian elements, they always come up with ignorant rubbish and misinformation to justify their trolling ways with and to satisfy her troll followers.


God Bless that young man for lecturing that twitter troll.

Same goes to Reno Omokri
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by portacabin: 8:46am On Sep 07, 2018
loans from China might seem better, but I think that request for loan should be done on open tender so that it is opened to all.
Most Chinese loans are tied to Chinese companies, labour and materials and herein lies the deceit with Chinese loans.
Imagine importing $3 billion worth of steel into Nigeria for a project, when actually a steel mill can be built to service the project

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by bluecircle470: 8:46am On Sep 07, 2018
deomelo:
Oby is basically a twitter troll and just like the other trolls and anti Nigerian elements, they always come up with ignorant rubbish and misinformation to justify their trolling ways with and to satisfy her troll followers.


God Bless that young man for lecturing that twitter troll.

People of your type can’t see beyond your nose. Though the Chinese loans are cheaper for us to get and maintain but do we really needs it with the sort of money we’re making yearly, it’s a form of colonization. The Chinese are up to something and have ulterior motives. Why are they always throwing loans at us in Africa? That’s the question we need to start asking ourselves.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by ipobarethieves: 8:48am On Sep 07, 2018
deomelo:
Oby is basically a twitter troll and just like the other trolls and anti Nigerian elements, they always come up with ignorant rubbish and misinformation to justify their trolling ways with and to satisfy her troll followers.


God Bless that young man for lecturing that twitter troll.
Nah today? That's how some of their fl@theads with down syndrome trait will come here and argue with normal pipu. weda dey spew trash afta mixture of spirit, kaikai plus Agbara, nah only dem sabi.

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Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Azam101: 8:48am On Sep 07, 2018
Sirjamo:
I know that Dr Oby knew that Chinese loans are far better than that of the IMF and World Bank, she was just looking for a way to discredit the Buhari government. Typical Igbo
Lolz! Igbo.com
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by obailala(m): 8:50am On Sep 07, 2018
4Play:


The IMF does not provide loans for infrastructure spending. IMF lending is to deal with emergency situations where a country is facing a balance of payments crisis and needs an infusion of foreign currency. These Chinese loans are not a substitute or alternative to IMF loans. The proper comparison would be with World Bank loans.
Thanks for the clarification.
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by troublemakea(m): 8:52am On Sep 07, 2018
jomoh:


No one is a fool here and they recognize the fact that one has to be weary of the Chinese loan but here are the real point the guy made to counter your Aunty you’re so much willing to lick her behind.

1. The only pitfall with Chinese loans is when you’re unable to pay back they takeover the project as their own(has happened in some other African countries) however, the infrastructure has been put in place and they won’t remove it.

2. The West don’t care if you use the loan for the purpose it is meant for. They don’t care if the money is embezzled or not. That is why they keep giving loans to corrupt regime of GEJ because they more you embezzle the more you’re unable to pay and the more enslaved you become.

3. The Chinese don’t deal with thieves, they put their money where their mouth is and make sure the loans are used for the purpose they’re meant for.

4. This is the most dangerous part of the western loan. The Chinese don’t require the government to retrench its civil Servants when they default or are unable to pay up. The West on the other hand as part of its loan conditions will require the government to retrench Ita civil servants.

The bottom line is that, everyone recognize that China is not Santa Claus but their intention is far more genuine and open than the west’s. Even the west recognize this and they fear China taking over but with lesser or no intention to enslave that is why they’ve being in a panick mode since the China-Africa summit.

They know their milking cows are about to be set free. If not when was the last time a British PM or a German chancellor or French President visited Africa let alone in the same year.

Unfortunately for them and fortunately for Africa, their leader(the US) is under the leadership of a mad man.

Lmao grin grin

as funny as you'd sound but you'd do hv a strong point tho nice one bro kip it up wink
Re: Chinese Loans: Oby Ezekwesili Reacts On Twitter But Got This by Tapout(m): 8:52am On Sep 07, 2018
SoNature:
I bet that most of you up there commenting had no idea what the guy is talking about.

You were impressed that he was flying figures around and that other commentators praised him

I know there are many senseless youths in this country, but please stop displaying your foolishness if you have no reasonable contribution to make

If u quote me, I won't reply you

grin grin

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