Olababa9:
Thanks ........ God bless you

you welcome bro.

Xburn:
this really helped

thank you.

Titus 2:11-14 New International Version (NIV)
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.



Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:4-9
Now OP please ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand the above verses, and help you say 'NO' to sin. Sin is ungodliness.

SHEEPS AND SHEEPEE

Jesus this, Jesus that...when will some brainless Nigerians get brain...

Clowns everywhere

The Bible talks about the law as being our school master that will lead us to Christ. The law is relevant hence Cornelius will not be born again. Check out what he was doing before Peter was sent to his house. Paul already knew the law but he did not know Christ. When you believe on the LORD, you will be guided on how to obey the law until you have perfected the mastery. Hence we are told that the law will no longer have dominion over us because we are no longer under the law. If the law is not relevant and there is no one under the law among those who believe. why did Paul ask us if is it because we are under grace, we have been licensed to sin. Jeremiah warned us in Chap 7, Paul warned us again in his epistle, shall we continue to sin that grace may abound? Hence boyfriend and girlfriend is common amongst so called christians, sexual immorality is now a norm in christian affairs and like Jeremiah warned, we are covered to commit these sins. All those married women involved in adultery, are they not majorly self professed christians, the armed robbers that claim that they dont steal on Sundays because they are christians, dont they profess to believe in Christ Jesus? The law is our school master that leads us to Christ Jesus.

This your post is complete heresy. A teaching from the pit of hell.

Don't misplace justification with righteousness. Demas lost his Salvation.

The Bible categorically says "He that abideth till the end shall be saved"

In Hebrews, the bible says whoever draws back, my soul will not have pleasure in him

alBHAGDADI:
You
are been deceived.

Righteousness is not you abstaining from sin. You are righteous once you believe and confess Jesus Christ.

Romans 10:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


Even the OP gave several verses to show that Jesus Christ made us righteous.

Do you know what the Bible means when it says "work out your salvation"?

Please read the verse below.

Philippians 2:12-13

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.


When you go to the gym and participate in the activities there, what do you say you are doing? You say YOU ARE WORKING OUT. That is you are working out your muscles. You had muscles, but in order to make them more pronounced, you decided to work them out. When your friends see your new physique and muscles, they get inspired to go to the gym too.

When God says you should work out your salvation, He simply means you should show the world that you are truly saved. You are to show the fruits of salvation. God has saved you, He put salvation in you. He now wants you to work it out and show the fruit so that others will through that be saved too.

Now, go back and read the Philippians 2:12-13 Again to understand it better.

Guess what? Even if you don't know work out that salvation as explained above, you will still be counted as a righteous man for having faith in Jesus who makes the ungodly righteous.

Romans 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


You are depending on WORKS to save you, that's why you were quick to quote out of context "work your salvation". The below verse shows clearly that salvation is not of WORKS.

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


To understand why you can never lose your salvation, please read the below link. It's very long but it will save you for all eternity.

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/once_saved_always_saved.html

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God bless your good soul.
Expect a miracle from God before or by 2pm on Wednesday this week.
It is well with your soul.

Stop this idiotic predictions. What is before or?

Keep making Christianity a joke.

LadyExcellency:
This your post is complete heresy. A teaching from the pit of hell.

Don't misplace justification with righteousness. Demas lost his Salvation.

The Bible categorically says "He that abideth till the end shall be saved"

In Hebrews, the bible says whoever draws back, my soul will not have pleasure in him

What kind of human are you? You just go about picking Bible verses out of context. Here you are saying Demas lost his salvation as if such is written in the Bible. Paul wasn't talking about losing salvation when he spoke of Demas. He only said Demas left him and went to The. But a heretic like you twisted it to mean something it doesn't mean. NOW READ BELOW.


2 Timothy 4:10-14

For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.
Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:


Here you are again quoting Mathew 24:13 out of context. The verse wasn't talking about salvation as you put it. It is talking about enduring the great tribulation till the end. Read the entire chapter 24 for better understanding.

helpishere:
The Bible talks about the law as being our school master that will lead us to Christ. The law is relevant hence Cornelius will not be born again. Check out what he was doing before Peter was sent to his house. Paul already knew the law but he did not know Christ. When you believe on the LORD, you will be guided on how to obey the law until you have perfected the mastery. Hence we are told that the law will no longer have dominion over us because we are no longer under the law. If the law is not relevant and there is no one under the law among those who believe. why did Paul ask us if is it because we are under grace, we have been licensed to sin. Jeremiah warned us in Chap 7, Paul warned us again in his epistle, shall we continue to sin that grace may abound? Hence boyfriend and girlfriend is common amongst so called christians, sexual immorality is now a norm in christian affairs and like Jeremiah warned, we are covered to commit these sins. All those married women involved in adultery, are they not majorly self professed christians, the armed robbers that claim that they dont steal on Sundays because they are christians, dont they profess to believe in Christ Jesus? The law is our school master that leads us to Christ Jesus.

Did you read the OP at all? You read it with a blind mind or an idea in your head already which prevented you from seeing the truth.

The OP is saying that sin cannot prevent you from making heaven once you believe in Jesus as required. That doesn't mean that you now have a license to sin. If you sin, you get punished for it on Earth here. If you kill someone because you think heaven is certain for you, you will still go to jail for it. If you rape, same thing. But to say sin will prevent a saved person from heaven is a lie from the pit of hell.

On the other hand, the OP is all about how thinking you not sinning means you are qualified for heaven is wrong. You are simply depending on WORKS to save you instead of Jesus. You are trying to save yourself by avoiding sin when you are in a singular nature. That nature can never allow go without committing sin. But Jesus has come to make us all righteous by believing in him.

orisa37:
That He is
1, God "Of Light"(Christ).

2, "A Good Icon"(Christ) of God.

3, "God's Life"(Christ).

4, God "The Faith"(Christ).

5, God "The Hope"(Christ).

6, "God of Peace"(Christ).

7, "God in Love"(Christ).

The most important one that make people go crazy....He is the SON of God

alBHAGDADI:


What kind of human are you? You just go about picking Bible verses out of context. Here you are saying Demas lost his salvation as if such is written in the Bible. Paul wasn't talking about losing salvation when he spoke of Demas. He only said Demas left him and went to The. But a heretic like you twisted it to mean something it doesn't mean. NOW READ BELOW.


2 Timothy 4:10-14

For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.
Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:


Here you are again quoting Mathew 24:13 out of context. The verse wasn't talking about salvation as you put it. It is talking about enduring the great tribulation till the end. Read the entire chapter 24 for better understanding.

As for Demas, Apostle Paul said he left having love this present world (you omitted that for a reason). What did the bible say about love of the world?

1 John 2:15-16
[15]Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
[16]For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

There is no quote out of context from the above scriptures. Demas backslided and left the faith.

There is nothing like eternal security. Nothing like once saved, forever saved. This is a doctrine from the pit of hell.

In the letter to seven Churches in Asia minor in the book of Revelation, Jesus emphasized the need for steadfastness till the end as a condition for final Salvation of our souls.

alBHAGDADI:
You are the bloody heretic who needs to be rebuked tonight.

You clearly did not read the OP before jumping in with your lies from the pit of hell. Do you really believe you can live without sin? I don't know you from Adam but I can bet that you have sinned this month without even knowing. This makes you a candidate of hell fire. Let me show you.

Do you have a vehicle or you take public transportation?
Do you buy gala and bottled water in traffic?
Do you throw the emptied bottled out of the vehicle?

I believe your answers are YES.

Do you know that the plastic bottle blocks drainages there leading to flood that destroys lives and properties? Your action has rendered many homeless and dead. Yet you keep on living without knowing you have sinned until you end up in hell fire. Can you see that you cannot escape sin by yourself?

You need to believe in Jesus as the only one to save you from sin. Once you do that, you can never miss heaven. Yes, you might sin once in a while but those sins can't prevent you from heaven. because you are saved already.

Bloody heretic?
I don't have any case with you. You couldn't make a point without being insulting.

Continue believing in what you believe, it's definitely not my business but stop deceiving others.

LadyExcellency:


As for Demas, Apostle Paul said he left having love this present world (you omitted that for a reason). What did the bible say about love of the world?

1 John 2:15-16
[15]Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
[16]For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

There is no quote out of context from the above scriptures. Demas backslided and left the faith.

There is nothing like eternal security. Nothing like once saved, forever saved. This is a doctrine from the pit of hell.

In the letter to seven Churches in Asia minor in the book of Revelation, Jesus emphasized the need for steadfastness till the end as a condition for final Salvation of our souls.

God bless you my dear.

Prophets & pastors teach you#Thou shall not judge but The Power that be, the Light, the MANTLE, we say we have unbelievable power to judge the living&dead as per John 5,30 & as usual who will believe the revelation,even if they peep&see it's true&by the way who believed Jesus Christ even those who claimed to know God more than Jesus Christ never accepted or believed Jesus Christ & we keep asking you wise ones,which God was answering those prophets & pastors as Church was never closed down when Christ lived for 33years?Behold,so many prophets & pastors are still claiming the same of knowing Jesus Christ more than Jesus Christ himself till this day and falling people down in churches using Jesus Christ name &they dont know that his kingdom has comeback to revenge &judge people of the world #Who are the people being referred to in the following truth &revelation? For its written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. # SPIRITUAL POWER SPEAKS #NOT empty CRITICS AND A WISE PERSON LOOKS VERY WELL BEFORE TALKING or eating anything and spiritually there is no distance so as to know who declares unbelievable truth. The hardest job of all time is to follow Jesus Christ and know Jesus Christ truly and deeply and to follow Jesus Christ is for very very few people same as heaven is for very very few people,so think wisely if you read what you have never read before especially if it's highly spiritual and not please come and be born again or Jesus Christ loves you never, Knowing Jesus Christ has conditions as stated in Mathew 11,28-28 it's not for everyone at all so be wise and think deeply >>John 6,60-68

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alBHAGDADI:


What kind of human are you? You just go about picking Bible verses out of context. Here you are saying Demas lost his salvation as if such is written in the Bible. Paul wasn't talking about losing salvation when he spoke of Demas. He only said Demas left him and went to The. But a heretic like you twisted it to mean something it doesn't mean. NOW READ BELOW.


2 Timothy 4:10-14

For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.
Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:


Here you are again quoting Mathew 24:13 out of context. The verse wasn't talking about salvation as you put it. It is talking about enduring the great tribulation till the end. Read the entire chapter 24 for better understanding.

God bless you real good my brother... I am so happy you know the truth...

Passages that warn us to protect our faith :

Examine yourselves to see whether you still stand steady in the faith. Put your qualifications [as Christians] to the test. Or didn't you know this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is at home in you – if He's not, then you are already disqualified.
2nd Corinthians 13:5

These things all happened [to the Exodus generation] by way of an example so that we might not lust after what is evil as they did. Don't practice idolatry, as some of them did (as the scripture says "the people sat down to eat and got up to frolic". Don't fornicate, as some of them did, and 23,000 of them fell dead in a single day. And let's not put the Lord to the test, as some of them did, and were killed by snakes. And don't complain, as some of them did, and were killed by the destroying angel. All these things happened to them to give us an example, and have been written in scripture to warn us as we confront history's final epoch. So let whoever thinks he's standing firm be careful not to fall!
1st Corinthians 10:12


Watch out for yourselves, so you don't lose what you've worked so hard for, but receive a full reward instead. No one who goes wandering off – that is, does not keep to the teachings about Jesus Christ – has a share in God.
2nd John 8-9

I am the vine, you are the branches. If a man remains in Me and I in Him, he will bear much fruit; apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
John 15:5-6



You cannot be living wuruwuru lifestyle and still climbs the altar to preach that Jesus is lord. The day the wind will expose the ruff of the fowl eehh, I'm just sorry for you.


LIGHT AND DARKNESS HAVE NO COMMON BOUNDARY.

Passages teaching that sinful behavior is antithetical to faith :
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies – and whatever is similar to all these things. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Galatians 5:19-21

Don't you know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practitioners of homosexuality nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10


But among you there must not even be a hint of sexual immorality, or any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse jesting – things that have no place [among you]. Thanksgiving [is what ought to be heard coming from you] instead. For of this you can be sure: no immoral, impure, or greedy person – such a man is an idolater – has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Don't let anyone deceive you about this with empty words, for it is because of just such things that God's wrath comes upon those who refuse to obey and believe. So don't enter into partnership with them.
Ephesians 5:3-7


Those who want to get rich fall into temptations, traps, and many senseless and harmful lusts – the kind which swamp men['s hearts] to their destruction and damnation.
1st Timothy 6:9

LadyExcellency:


As for Demas, Apostle Paul said he left having love this present world (you omitted that for a reason). What did the bible say about love of the world?

1 John 2:15-16
[15]Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
[16]For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

There is no quote out of context from the above scriptures. Demas backslided and left the faith.

There is nothing like eternal security. Nothing like once saved, forever saved. This is a doctrine from the pit of hell.

In the letter to seven Churches in Asia minor in the book of Revelation, Jesus emphasized the need for steadfastness till the end as a condition for final Salvation of our souls.

You just made my job a lot easier.

Now, the Bible says Demas left Paul because he had the love of the world in him. You now quoted 1 John which says "If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him".

Now in your context, we clearly see why Demas went back into the world. He went back simply because the love of the Father was not in him. He never loved God and was never saved. Demas never backslided. He just was never a believer. He never loved God.

You say there is nothing like eternal security, yet you haven't been able to use the Bible correctly to prove that. Now let me show you just one verse that speaks of eternal security.

John 10:28-30
King James Version (KJV)
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father are one.

Once God has saved you, no man can pluck you out of His hands. Except you want to tell me that God is like our earthly bank where we save our money but we can still lose it to ATM fraudsters or the bank collapsing.

This world is a battlefield, and this life a fight to the finish in the service of Jesus Christ. It is not a place where comfort and ease are the norm, not, at any rate, for those who are genuinely and diligently striving to grow closer to the Lord and to serve Him as He would have them do. Our faithfulness, our commitment, our faith in Jesus will be tested in this life, and maintaining this our most precious commodity requires constant effort. Make no mistake, the combat in which we are involved concerns the maintenance of our faith and concomitant eternal life.

Fight the good fight of faith.
1st Timothy 6:12


I give you this command, Timothy my child, in accordance with the prophecies that were made long ago about you, that you conduct a good [spiritual] campaign, one that is in keeping with them.
1st Timothy 1:18


I have fought the good fight. I have completed my course. I have kept the faith.
2nd Timothy 4:7


Clearly, we need to be on the offensive in the Christian life, walking with the Lord, growing in the Lord, and producing for Him day by day. But we also need to conduct a good defense in respect to the forces arrayed against us, resisting the world's tempting influences, the flesh's proclivity to sin, and the tricks and traps of the evil one. In spiritual terms, good offense and good defense are counterparts of each other and go closely hand in glove.

Therefore we can never afford to become fixated upon one to the exclusion of the other. Just as a preoccupation with holiness and sanctification is admirable, but problematic if it should lead, out of a misplaced sense of self-satisfaction with one's Christian approach, to being unproductive for the Lord, so a good relationship with the Lord, consistent growth, and effective production are wonderful, but do not excuse any return to sin and sinfulness. In fact, of course, lack of what we are here calling offense will always compromise defense, and vice versa. For example, believers who are over-focused upon avoiding certain types of sin to the exclusion of growth and production often become self-righteous, judgmental, and legalistic.

On the other hand, those who are dedicated to learning the truth and to ministering on behalf of the Lord inevitably have their relationship with Him and their ministries compromised if they fall back into a pattern of sinful behavior. It is the latter problem which most concerns us here at this point in our present study.

Moreover, scripture leaves no real room for doubt about the fact that for a believer to begin to embrace sin in the manner of an unbeliever compromises faith and leads if unchecked to the death of faith and corresponding loss of salvation.

https://ichthys.com/3B-Hamartio.htm#6. Apostasy and the Sin unto Death

No one abiding in Him continues in [a life of] sin. No one who continues in [a life of] sin has seen Him or known Him. Children, let no one deceive you. The one who performs righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. The one who continues in [a life of] sin is of the devil, since the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God appeared, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who has been born of God continues in [a life of] sin, since His seed (i.e., the Word of truth in which we believe) remains in him, and [so] he is not able to continue in [a life of] sin since he has been born of God.
1st John 3:6-9



We can see from the passage above what "normal" Christian behavior should be as far as "defense" is concerned. As Christians we have died to sin in principle (i.e., "positionally", and should therefore be making every effort to line up our experience with this important spiritual reality. Furthermore, it should be noted that we are described in this passage as "unable" to continue in sin because of the truth in our hearts which we believe. There is thus a bitter internal conflict within every believer who lapses into sin, and inevitably either faith will triumph or faith will die, for we are "unable" to live on indefinitely with both faith and sin, with both faithfulness and sinfulness. We must either return to the light or give in to the darkness, and we are constitutionally unable to linger long in the shadows that separate the two.

What shall we say then? Should we continue in sin so that grace [which abounded in Christ's sacrifice for our sin] may abound [all the more]? May it never be! We [are they] who have [in Christ] died to sin. How then shall we yet live [our lives] in it?
Romans 6:1-2

Clearly, we all fall short of the perfect standard of complete sinlessness, but the chasm between those who loath sin and are fighting against it and those who are largely unconcerned with it (or worse yet are essentially embracing sin) is deep and wide. The former believer is on the high road to Zion, while the latter is in the process of slipping away. We may take comfort in the fact that just as a loving parent will not let his child continue too deeply into rebellion without intervening, so our heavenly Father ever makes judicious use of divine discipline in order to wean us away from self-destructive behavior of this sort. And we have other allies in this fight: the Word of God remaining in us, pointing out to our consciences the right path (1Jn.3:9 ), the Holy Spirit who opposes the sin nature and all its rebellious deeds (Gal.5:16-25 ), and our fellow believers who through encouragement (Heb.3:13 ), prayer (Eph.6:18 ), and prudent correction (Gal.6:1-2 ; Jas.5:19-20 ; Jude 1:22-23 ; cf. Col.3:16 ) also do battle in this arena on our behalf. When we lapse into sin, these forces are all "pulling us back", even as God's discipline is making the way forward into deeper sin ever more painful.

The process of apostasy, the road traveled by the believer which leads to loss of faith, is characterized in virtually every respect by being the exact opposite of the road he or she should be traveling.

Instead of orienting towards God the Father, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and our upward calling, the person involved in the process of apostasy has turned his or her back on God, and taken the wide road which leads to destruction instead of the narrow path that leads to eternal life (Matt.7:14 ).

Instead of pursuing sanctification, such persons indulge their sinful natures. Instead of seeking God, they engage in worldly solutions. Instead of looking to their eternal rewards, they are concerned with the pleasures and worries of this life. Instead of esteeming the truth of scripture, they allow it to fall in their esteem while the wisdom of this world grows in their estimation proportionally.

Instead of striving to make their hearts ever more tender towards God, they harden their hearts against His warnings. Instead of responding to the voice of the Spirit, they quench His power. Instead of their lives being Christ, they love themselves progressively more even as they love Him less.


It is easy enough to find "reasons" to explain why believers go down this road, sometimes "persevering" all the way to the end of it resulting in the complete evaporation of their faith (which is the definition of the state of apostasy).

Life is difficult, and more so for believers than for unbelievers because the devil has a special interest in detaching the faithful from the Lord (cf. Lk.22:31 ["you" is plural in the Greek];
Rev.12:10 ).

Furthermore, faith is tested, and as believers we may be assured that part of the life of faith we are called to lead will include trials and tribulations which serve to prove the quality of that faith (or lack thereof: Gen.22:1 ;
Ex.15:25b ; Num.14:20-23 ; Judg.2:22 ;
Ps.66:10-12 ; 1Pet.1:6-7 ; 4:12 ).


We all stumble, we all fail, we all are less responsive to the Lord than we should be. But truly serious problems arise when instead of getting back up off the ground after failure, repenting, confessing, re-engaging, and returning to the proper walk whereby we were advancing spiritually, we wallow in depression, sullenly refuse to admit our mistakes and failings, lose interest in the truth of scripture, lose our fear of God, begin to put ourselves in control instead of the Spirit, begin to live for ourselves instead of Jesus, and begin to reverse the very process that led to our previous spiritual growth and production in the first place.

The experience of the Exodus generation who started well and ended poorly serves as a fitting example of this reversed spiritual process:

(1) For I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, about the fact that our [spiritual] forefathers (i.e., the Exodus generation) were all under the cloud (i.e., protected by the Glory).

(2) And all of them were baptized into Moses (i.e., closely identified with him) in both the case of the cloud and of the sea (i.e., received the same protection and deliverance as he did).

(3) And all of them ate spiritual food (i.e., divinely provided manna).

(4) And all of them drank the same spiritual drink (i.e., divinely provided water). For all of them drank from the spiritual[ly significant] Rock which followed them – for that Rock was Christ.

(5) But God was not pleased with most of them and their bones were strewn about in the desert as a result.

(6) And in this they have come to serve as examples for us, so that we might not lust for wicked things as they lusted for them.

(7) So do not become idolaters as some of them did, as it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and got up to play (i.e., feasting followed by indulgence in idolatrous rites)".

( And let us not commit fornication, as some of them committed fornication, and there fell in a single day 120,000 of them.

(9) And let us not put Christ to the test, as some of them tested the Lord and [as a result] were killed by serpents.

(10) And let us not complain, as some of them complained, and were killed by the Destroyer.

(11) All these things happened to them as an example to us, and were written to warn us – we who live at the culmination of the ages.

(12) So let him who thinks he stands firm beware lest he fall.

(13) You have not suffered any testing beyond normal human [experience]. And God is faithful. He will not allow you to be tested beyond your capacity, but, along with the test, He will grant you the way out, so that you can bear up under it.
1st Corinthians 10:1-13

https://ichthys.com/3B-Hamartio.htm#6. Apostasy and the Sin unto Death

Chinachriss:
Passages that warn us to protect our faith :

Examine yourselves to see whether you still stand steady in the faith. Put your qualifications [as Christians] to the test. Or didn't you know this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is at home in you – if He's not, then you are already disqualified.
2nd Corinthians 13:5

These things all happened [to the Exodus generation] by way of an example so that we might not lust after what is evil as they did. Don't practice idolatry, as some of them did (as the scripture says "the people sat down to eat and got up to frolic". Don't fornicate, as some of them did, and 23,000 of them fell dead in a single day. And let's not put the Lord to the test, as some of them did, and were killed by snakes. And don't complain, as some of them did, and were killed by the destroying angel. All these things happened to them to give us an example, and have been written in scripture to warn us as we confront history's final epoch. So let whoever thinks he's standing firm be careful not to fall!
1st Corinthians 10:12


Watch out for yourselves, so you don't lose what you've worked so hard for, but receive a full reward instead. No one who goes wandering off – that is, does not keep to the teachings about Jesus Christ – has a share in God.
2nd John 8-9

I am the vine, you are the branches. If a man remains in Me and I in Him, he will bear much fruit; apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
John 15:5-6



You cannot be living wuruwuru lifestyle and still climbs the altar to preach that Jesus is lord. The day the wind will expose the ruff of the fowl eehh, I'm just sorry for you.


LIGHT AND DARKNESS HAVE NO COMMON BOUNDARY.

The first verse you quoted isn't talking about protecting your salvation, a thing you can't do because you are not the one that saved yourself.

The verse is talking about checking yourself to be sure you truly believe in Jesus. Some people think they believed in Jesus but truly they don't. We've seen examples of such people here on this thread. They claim they believe Jesus died to save them, yet they believe they can save themselves by not sinning, a thing which is impossible.

If you believe the way to save yourself is by not sinning, then you don't need Jesus. You have made his death and resurrection useless to yourself.

Now all those people who died as a result of sin, did the Bible say they didn't go to heaven? They simply suffered the consequence of their sins.

Chinachriss:
The process of apostasy, the road traveled by the believer which leads to loss of faith, is characterized in virtually every respect by being the exact opposite of the road he or she should be traveling.

Instead of orienting towards God the Father, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and our upward calling, the person involved in the process of apostasy has turned his or her back on God, and taken the wide road which leads to destruction instead of the narrow path that leads to eternal life (Matt.7:14 ).

Instead of pursuing sanctification, such persons indulge their sinful natures. Instead of seeking God, they engage in worldly solutions. Instead of looking to their eternal rewards, they are concerned with the pleasures and worries of this life. Instead of esteeming the truth of scripture, they allow it to fall in their esteem while the wisdom of this world grows in their estimation proportionally.

Instead of striving to make their hearts ever more tender towards God, they harden their hearts against His warnings. Instead of responding to the voice of the Spirit, they quench His power. Instead of their lives being Christ, they love themselves progressively more even as they love Him less.


It is easy enough to find "reasons" to explain why believers go down this road, sometimes "persevering" all the way to the end of it resulting in the complete evaporation of their faith (which is the definition of the state of apostasy).

Life is difficult, and more so for believers than for unbelievers because the devil has a special interest in detaching the faithful from the Lord (cf. Lk.22:31 ["you" is plural in the Greek];
Rev.12:10 ).

Furthermore, faith is tested, and as believers we may be assured that part of the life of faith we are called to lead will include trials and tribulations which serve to prove the quality of that faith (or lack thereof: Gen.22:1 ;
Ex.15:25b ; Num.14:20-23 ; Judg.2:22 ;
Ps.66:10-12 ; 1Pet.1:6-7 ; 4:12 ).


We all stumble, we all fail, we all are less responsive to the Lord than we should be. But truly serious problems arise when instead of getting back up off the ground after failure, repenting, confessing, re-engaging, and returning to the proper walk whereby we were advancing spiritually, we wallow in depression, sullenly refuse to admit our mistakes and failings, lose interest in the truth of scripture, lose our fear of God, begin to put ourselves in control instead of the Spirit, begin to live for ourselves instead of Jesus, and begin to reverse the very process that led to our previous spiritual growth and production in the first place.

The experience of the Exodus generation who started well and ended poorly serves as a fitting example of this reversed spiritual process:

(1) For I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, about the fact that our [spiritual] forefathers (i.e., the Exodus generation) were all under the cloud (i.e., protected by the Glory).

(2) And all of them were baptized into Moses (i.e., closely identified with him) in both the case of the cloud and of the sea (i.e., received the same protection and deliverance as he did).

(3) And all of them ate spiritual food (i.e., divinely provided manna).

(4) And all of them drank the same spiritual drink (i.e., divinely provided water). For all of them drank from the spiritual[ly significant] Rock which followed them – for that Rock was Christ.

(5) But God was not pleased with most of them and their bones were strewn about in the desert as a result.

(6) And in this they have come to serve as examples for us, so that we might not lust for wicked things as they lusted for them.

(7) So do not become idolaters as some of them did, as it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and got up to play (i.e., feasting followed by indulgence in idolatrous rites)".

( And let us not commit fornication, as some of them committed fornication, and there fell in a single day 120,000 of them.

(9) And let us not put Christ to the test, as some of them tested the Lord and [as a result] were killed by serpents.

(10) And let us not complain, as some of them complained, and were killed by the Destroyer.

(11) All these things happened to them as an example to us, and were written to warn us – we who live at the culmination of the ages.

(12) So let him who thinks he stands firm beware lest he fall.

(13) You have not suffered any testing beyond normal human [experience]. And God is faithful. He will not allow you to be tested beyond your capacity, but, along with the test, He will grant you the way out, so that you can bear up under it.
1st Corinthians 10:1-13

https://ichthys.com/3B-Hamartio.htm#6. Apostasy and the Sin unto Death

Please forget about this your long copy and paste posts.

Let me ask you one simple question.

Picture yourself in front of the judgment throne of God. If you are asked to state why you should be allowed into heaven, what will be your response?

I need your reply fast.

Spiritual death, our original state at birth, is the eventual outcome of the backsliding process (cf. in Jude 1:12 those who are "twice dead" and now without the Spirit: Jude 1:19 ).

For to continue following the path of sin, without repentance, without restoration, requires that we constantly and deliberately choose against our Master, Jesus Christ, until He gradually becomes less and less in our thinking, and gradually disappears from our hearts altogether (Matt.7:21-23 ).

That is why sin's reward is always death (Rom.6:23 ). At the point where faith dies, separation from God is complete. The former believer in Christ has become an enemy of His cross (Phil.3:18 ), and has been enslaved again in sin's captivity (Jn.8:34-35 ). And the ending is worse than the beginning (2Pet.2:20-22 ), for, in the end, the path of abandoning faith is identical to rejecting Christ (1Jn.5:16-17 ; cf. Matt.12:31 ;
Heb.6:4-6 ).


Make sure, brothers, that none of you develop an evil heart of unbelief (i.e., lack of faith) by turning away (lit. "apostatizing" from the living God. Rather keep encouraging each other every day as long as we still call it "today" (i.e. still remain in this world), lest any of you
be hardened [in heart] by the deception of sin .

For we all have a share in Christ, as long as we hang on to that original confidence [of our faith] firmly to the end, as it says:

Today if you hear His voice,
Don't harden your hearts as they did at the provocation [at Meribah].

For who provoked Him, though they had heard? Did not all of them who came out of Egypt under Moses' leadership do so? And with whom was He enraged for forty years? Wasn't it the very people who had sinned, then dropped dead in the desert?

And to whom did He swear that they would never enter into the [place of] rest [He had promised], but to those who had been disobedient to Him? Now we see that they were unable to enter into this [place of rest]
because of their unbelief (i.e., their loss of faith).

Hebrews 3:12-19


Thank you Jesus.

alBHAGDADI:
You just made my job a lot easier.

Now, the Bible says Demas left Paul because he had the love of the world in him. You now quoted 1 John which says "If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him".

Now in your context, we clearly see why Demas went back into the world. He went back simply because the love of the Father was not in him. He never loved God and was never saved. Demas never backslided. He just was never a believer. He never loved God.

You say there is nothing like eternal security, yet you haven't been able to use the Bible correctly to prove that. Now let me show you just one verse that speaks of eternal security.

John 10:28-30
King James Version (KJV)
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father are one.

Once God has saved you, no man can pluck you out of His hands. Except you want to tell me that God is like our earthly bank where we save our money but we can still lose it to ATM fraudsters or the bank collapsing.

Judas Iscariot was among the twelve in that bible passage you quoted yet Jesus lost him.

Judas Iscariot cried for his mistake and refunded the money yet he was lost. Why?

The passage you quoted stated emphatically that "No one can pluck them from him (Jesus) but you misunderstood something from that passage which is you as a person can exclude yourself by your actions and reactions. The same decision that brought someone to Salvation can be reversed by the same person leading to backsliding.

Ponder on this passage below.

2 Timothy 2:11-13
[11]It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
[12]If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
[13]If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Chinachriss:
The process of apostasy, the road traveled by the believer which leads to loss of faith, is characterized in virtually every respect by being the exact opposite of the road he or she should be traveling.

Instead of orienting towards God the Father, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and our upward calling, the person involved in the process of apostasy has turned his or her back on God, and taken the wide road which leads to destruction instead of the narrow path that leads to eternal life (Matt.7:14 ).

Instead of pursuing sanctification, such persons indulge their sinful natures. Instead of seeking God, they engage in worldly solutions. Instead of looking to their eternal rewards, they are concerned with the pleasures and worries of this life. Instead of esteeming the truth of scripture, they allow it to fall in their esteem while the wisdom of this world grows in their estimation proportionally.

Instead of striving to make their hearts ever more tender towards God, they harden their hearts against His warnings. Instead of responding to the voice of the Spirit, they quench His power. Instead of their lives being Christ, they love themselves progressively more even as they love Him less.


It is easy enough to find "reasons" to explain why believers go down this road, sometimes "persevering" all the way to the end of it resulting in the complete evaporation of their faith (which is the definition of the state of apostasy).

Life is difficult, and more so for believers than for unbelievers because the devil has a special interest in detaching the faithful from the Lord (cf. Lk.22:31 ["you" is plural in the Greek];
Rev.12:10 ).

Furthermore, faith is tested, and as believers we may be assured that part of the life of faith we are called to lead will include trials and tribulations which serve to prove the quality of that faith (or lack thereof: Gen.22:1 ;
Ex.15:25b ; Num.14:20-23 ; Judg.2:22 ;
Ps.66:10-12 ; 1Pet.1:6-7 ; 4:12 ).


We all stumble, we all fail, we all are less responsive to the Lord than we should be. But truly serious problems arise when instead of getting back up off the ground after failure, repenting, confessing, re-engaging, and returning to the proper walk whereby we were advancing spiritually, we wallow in depression, sullenly refuse to admit our mistakes and failings, lose interest in the truth of scripture, lose our fear of God, begin to put ourselves in control instead of the Spirit, begin to live for ourselves instead of Jesus, and begin to reverse the very process that led to our previous spiritual growth and production in the first place.

The experience of the Exodus generation who started well and ended poorly serves as a fitting example of this reversed spiritual process:

(1) For I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, about the fact that our [spiritual] forefathers (i.e., the Exodus generation) were all under the cloud (i.e., protected by the Glory).

(2) And all of them were baptized into Moses (i.e., closely identified with him) in both the case of the cloud and of the sea (i.e., received the same protection and deliverance as he did).

(3) And all of them ate spiritual food (i.e., divinely provided manna).

(4) And all of them drank the same spiritual drink (i.e., divinely provided water). For all of them drank from the spiritual[ly significant] Rock which followed them – for that Rock was Christ.

(5) But God was not pleased with most of them and their bones were strewn about in the desert as a result.

(6) And in this they have come to serve as examples for us, so that we might not lust for wicked things as they lusted for them.

(7) So do not become idolaters as some of them did, as it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and got up to play (i.e., feasting followed by indulgence in idolatrous rites)".

( And let us not commit fornication, as some of them committed fornication, and there fell in a single day 120,000 of them.

(9) And let us not put Christ to the test, as some of them tested the Lord and [as a result] were killed by serpents.

(10) And let us not complain, as some of them complained, and were killed by the Destroyer.

(11) All these things happened to them as an example to us, and were written to warn us – we who live at the culmination of the ages.

(12) So let him who thinks he stands firm beware lest he fall.

(13) You have not suffered any testing beyond normal human [experience]. And God is faithful. He will not allow you to be tested beyond your capacity, but, along with the test, He will grant you the way out, so that you can bear up under it.
1st Corinthians 10:1-13

https://ichthys.com/3B-Hamartio.htm#6. Apostasy and the Sin unto Death

copy and paste epistle.

Please picture yourself in front of the building judgment throne of God. If asked why you should be allowed into heaven, what will be your answer?

alBHAGDADI:
Please forget about this your long copy and paste posts.

Let me ask you one simple question.

Picture yourself in front of the judgment throne of God. If you are asked to state why you should be allowed into heaven, what will be your response?

I need your reply fast.

I would say cos I believed in Jesus and trusted in him completely.

Now my turn to ask you.

What does it mean to believe in Jesus?

Let's assume you're an American or even as a Nigerian? Do you know you can lose your citizenship? You can be sentenced to death by the country you have sworn allegiance to?

alBHAGDADI:


copy and paste epistle.

Please picture yourself in front of the building judgment throne of God. If asked why you should be allowed into heaven, what will be your answer?

Yes it's copied and I indicated so. That's from my fave christian blog and I always refer people there during arguments as this.

Another question:

As a university student, do you know you can be expelled? You can rusticated and every time and effort put there become total waste.

Finally:


Tribulation, persecution, testing, in short, the pressures that befall every believer in Jesus Christ are at the root of apostasy whenever we react to them improperly. As, for example, when a person blames God for the death of a loved one or for some other tragedy that may befall them (Prov.19:3 ).

Sin will surely be present in the life of an apostatizing believer (for anyone who becomes disinterested in living a sanctified life for Jesus Christ will have little reason to walk carefully in this respect). Generally speaking, we may expect those who apostatize to return to the same manner of life they had before salvation.

For if after having escaped the defilements of this world by recognizing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ they should be overcome [spiritually] by becoming involved again in these foul things, then they have become worse off than they were before.

For it would have been better for them not to have accepted the Righteous Way in the first place, rather than – once having accepted this holy command [for faith in Christ] committed to them – to now
turn their backs on it . And so in their case this proverb is true: "The dog has returned to his vomit, and the sow, though washed, to her muddy sty".
2nd Peter 2:20-22

I wish all you christians know that the message of Paul is not the same as the message of Jesus. Paul's message is the message of the pagan Roman empire.

The real Jesus, they didn't recognize and christians still don't know him till this moment. In fact, if you believe in Jesus, you're an anti-Christ.

The real christ explained biblically and historically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ftrUdKFKZg