Litmus:

If Nigerian kids are being killed in an overall problem of child violence Nigerians should act to take care of its own. This goes especially if Nigerians kids are involved in the killing.

Yet where is the evidence Nigerian kids are involved in an muder in the first place?  

Litmus, you speak the truth. This seems like a monthly occurrence that Nigerian children are dying in the streets of London. The Nigerian community in the UK must come together to solve this problem. Parents must take an active role when dealing with these children.

Kobojunkie:

The article made no mention to this being a RACIST act though. As far as we can tell, the boys who perpetrated this gruesome act could be Nigerians as well. So I don't see why we should make it a NIGERIAN issue. This is London we are speaking of here.  . . a city where teenage crime has been on the rise for some years now.

i'm not talking about the article.i made my analysis from previous attacks and most have are perpetrated by british kids citing late damilola as a case study.what i'm more concerned about is the attitude of the british govt to properly address the issue or do they care less since foreigners are at the receiving end ?

These kind of deaths are usaully gang on gang killings. There are lots of teenage gangs in London.

Mariory:

These kind of deaths are usaully gang on gang killings. There are lots of teenage gangs in London.

The Ofsted website lists Park Campus as a pupil referral unit for boys and girls aged between 11 and 16.
The specialist school educates some of London's most troubled young people, including those with social, behavioural and emotional difficulties.

It's a school for em juvenile delinquents. . . . .Why are people surprised about this schitzo?

EzeUche:

bk/babe99,

You are a tribalist. No one else had a problem with what I was saying, but him. However, you looking through tribal lens must always rear your ugly head. I swear you are probably another poster's alter ego.

B4 I go on to answer u; WHAT HAS ME BEING A TRIBALIST (ASSUMING I WAS ONE, JUST AS U CLAIM) GOT TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT I REMINDED HIM THAT URE A slowpoke AND A LOST CAUSE? Now, to give u ur answer. . . . Nah, I dont indulge i.d.iots! So, i'll let u wear urself out!

EzeUche:

It is seen as a black problem when black kids are killed in LA. Just like they are killed in New York City, Baltimore, Washington DC, and Atlanta. It is seen as a Black problem, so I do not see what you are trying to say. Nigerians in those other cities in the UK should see it as a Nigerian problem as well, not just a London problem. Nigerian youth are dying and you are saying it is a London problem, have you no shame. That is the problem with some Nigerians like yourself. If it is not happening in your area, then it must not be a problem. Just like what is occurring in the Niger Delta, is not considered a Nigerian problem, but a regional problem. Many Nigerians think all about themselves.

Now you are getting the point I was making. Because victims and members of gang culture are multi-ethnic, it is not seen as an ethnic problem but a regional issue. Yes Nigerian youths are dying but Nigerian youths are also involved in the killings. A 15 year old African boy was killed two months ago at a train station at about 5 PM in full view of onlookers. The attack was coordinated with the killers all arriving from different directions. One of the killers was a 16 year old Nigerian girl.

Something else to put into consideration is that this kids don't see themselves as Nigerian. They make comments like, 'my parents are from Nigeria'. They don't even know what tribe they belong to. In a way, I get the point the OP was making initially because many Nigerian parents are not inculcating Nigerian values in their kids. The kids don't know how to greet, don't respect elders, etc. Many parents spend hours at church, work, or parties. Apart from parents who have to work, I don't feel any sympathies for parents who spend hours in church or at parties. You will see Nigerian kids, some as young as ten, on the streets in the early hours of the morning.

Katsumoto:

Now you are getting the point I was making. Because victims and members of gang culture are multi-ethnic, it is not seen as an ethnic problem but a regional issue. Yes Nigerian youths are dying but Nigerian youths are also involved in the killings. A 15 year old African boy was killed two months ago at a train station at about 5 PM in full view of onlookers. The attack was coordinated with the killers all arriving from different directions. One of the killers was a 16 year old Nigerian girl.

Most of the attackers in Victoria Station that day had Nigerian parents!!!
It's a gang thing. Nigerian kids are also involved in these knife crimes. . . . .Only an ignoramus would turn this to a racial issue.

Mariory:

These kind of deaths are usaully gang on gang killings. There are lots of teenage gangs in London.

that means london is unsafe for kids especially foreigners then .

~Sauron~:

Most of the attackers in Victoria Station that day had Nigerian parents!!!
It's a gang thing. Nigerian kids are also involved in these knife crimes. . . . .Only an ignoramus would turn this to a racial issue.

if nigerian kids are involved in it,why are they always the ones getting killed and not killing the london boys.i doubt late damilola was among them cuz his case was that of bullying

~Bluetooth:

if nigerian kids are involved in it,why are they always the ones getting killed and not killing the london boys.i doubt late damilola was among them cuz his case was that of bullying

English kids die more. . . . . .but you won't see it in Naija headlines cos it doesn't concern em.
This is the 10th victim of the knife crime this year. The other 9 are not Nigerian kids.

This is a very serious issue facing Nigerians in London England, there is no call for calling people idiots. The cause of teenage violence in Britain, what to do about it, has become a huge debate. Nothing should be left out of the table including racism. In one sense, the negligence or lack of solution to the problem of youth murders, some argue, may be due to the fact that a majority of the deaths are black and concentrated in parts of the country whites do not live in in numbers. Look at the furor that followed the death of Ben kinsella, a white guy. Some would argue that sentences for killers which at the moment is pitifully small might not havet been this small if a majority of deaths were white. Others might wish to ascribe class not racism to this disparity. There are some who point that a majority of the killers are of mixed raced heritage. The idea here being white mothers tend to apply liberal notion to the upbringing of their children were a strong hand is needed since such kids are partially black. There are so many issues, hardly any of which are pursued to conclusion because of fear of causing offense. On the other hand, the now conservative government wants to relegate the issue of these killings to black parenting. So in a scene it is deeply premature to dismiss out of hand the issue of race.

For me there are strong issues of ethnicity involved ,which the issue of postcode hides.

Litmus:

This is a very serious issue facing Nigerians in London England, there is no call for calling people idiots. The cause of teenage violence in Britain, what to do about it, has become a huge debate. Nothing should be left out of the table including racism. In one sense, the negligence or lack of solution to the problem of youth murders, some argue, may be due to the fact that a majority of the deaths are black and concentrated in parts of the country whites do not live in in numbers. Look at the furor that followed the death of Ben kinsella, a white guy. Some would argue that sentences for killers which at the moment is pitifully small might not havet been this small if a majority of deaths were white. Others might wish to ascribe class not racism to this disparity. There are some who point that a majority of the killers are of mixed raced heritage. The idea here being white mothers tend to apply liberal notion to the upbringing of their children were a strong hand is needed since such kids are partially black. There are so many issues, hardly any of which are pursued to conclusion because of fear of causing offense. On the other hand, the now conservative government wants to relegate the issue of these killings to black parenting. So in a scene it is deeply premature to dismiss out of hand the issue of race.

For me there are strong issues of ethnicity involved ,which the issue of postcode hides.

So Black on Black violence is racism?

~Sauron~:

So Black on Black violence is racism?

I think he means that because the victims and perpetrators are mostly black, the govt ignores it, largely due to racism. So racism is not a cause of the problem but racism may prevent the government finding a viable solution.

~Bluetooth:

that means london is unsafe for kids especially foreigners then .

Generally it depends on the region of London you are in however, if you are not involved in gangs or gang members then you most likely have nothing to fear.
In fact the most serious crime I have witnessed is a mobile phone being snatched from a lady at the train station. The young man who snatched it disappeared at the sped of light which was no mean feet because the fella was quite large. And yeah the theif was black.

Katsumoto:

I think he means that because the victims and perpetrators are mostly black, the govt ignores it, largely due to racism. So racism is not a cause of the problem but racism may prevent the government finding a viable solution.

The government is not ignoring it. . . . . .Carrying a knife in the UK now attracts a 5 year sentence.
It's automatic!!!

It does not matter what you intend to do with the knife.
Whether you are lending it from a neighbour or what-not. If anyone is searched and a knife is found on him - he gets 5 years imprisonment.

How is the government ignoring by setting such a huge sentence on KNIVES.

~Sauron~:

The government is not ignoring it. . . . . .Carrying a knife in the UK now attracts a 5 year sentence.
It's automatic!!!

It does not matter what you intend to do with the knife.
Whether you are lending it from a neighbour or what-not. If anyone is searched and a knife is found on him - he gets 5 years imprisonment.

How is the government ignoring by setting such a huge sentence on KNIVES.

I was merely trying to explain his argument from what he said. Also, even though the Labour govt increased the sentence for carrying knives, it was very slow to act plus it sends these kids to plush homes. Juvenile punishment is more like adult punishment. Plush jails are not enough deterrents. I tend to blame the government from a different angle; taking away power to discipline kids from parents.

Katsumoto:

I was merely trying to explain his argument from what he said. Also, even though the Labour govt increased the sentence for carrying knives, it was very slow to act plus it sends these kids to plush homes. Juvenile punishment is more like adult punishment. Plush jails are not enough deterrents. I tend to blame the government from a different angle; taking away power to discipline kids from parents.

But the Prisons in England are the worst in the whole of Europe.
They get pressured by the EU to sanitize their Prison Systems and posh it with coloured TVs, Pool Tables and Gym Facilities.
Blame the Human Rights Act bullshyte for all these nonsense. Going to Prison in Europe is like going on vacation in a 3-star hotel minus the freedom.

I mean Prisoners now have access to PS3 consoles - How are they supposed to feel any sorta remorse for what they had done?

~Sauron~:

But the Prisons in England are the worst in the whole of Europe.
They get pressured by the EU to sanitize their Prison Systems and posh it with coloured TVs, Pool Tables and Gym Facilities.
Blame the Human Rights Act bullshyte for all these nonsense. Going to Prison in Europe is like going on vacation in a 3-star hotel minus the freedom.

I mean Prisoners now have access to PS3 consoles - How are they supposed to feel any sorta remorse for what they had done?

Western Europe you mean; we don't need to visit Turkish, Polish, Latvian prisons to know that British prisons are country clubs.

So you get my point; 5 years in a home where you have access to PS3, pool tables, gyms, satellite TV, and occassional massages is the life. I believe that European governments should start paying African, Asian, and South American countries millions of dollars to accept their prisoners. Crime would immediately reduce in those countries. But we know the do-gooders of society wont allow that.

Katsumoto:

Western Europe you mean; we don't need to visit Turkish, Polish, Latvian prisons to know that British prisons are country clubs.

Of course. . . . . .
U don't wanna see the state of the infamous Lubyanka Prison in Russia.

So you get my point; 5 years in a home where you have access to PS3, pool tables, gyms, satellite TV, and occassional massages is the life. I believe that European governments should start paying African, Asian, and South American countries millions of dollars to accept their prisoners. Crime would immediately reduce in those countries. But we know the do-gooders of society wont allow that.

But Prisoners are human beings - how do we begin to condemn people who just made a costly error to untold harships.
Then the fact that the most simplest of offence can land peops in Prison in the Western World is another factor.
People go to Prison for non-payment of court fines, drink-driving, ABH, common assault, etc.
If the laws that apply here are applied in Nigeria - 99% of the Nigerian Youths would be in Prison.

the big questions are, we as a community by which i mean the Nigerian community not failing our children.?
i have a 16yrs boy and live in south London, so i know what i am talking about.
there are numerous reasons why this is happenning some of which are self inflicted.
the break down of the family nucleus  has a very big factor to play in this.
the role Nigerian so called Mothers now play in the family setting has a role.
the unending 24/7 attitude to work play its own part.
we all need to look inward to solve these problems. you will block your ear hole if you listen to some of the music our kids listen to.
it took me a long time to reorient my son and most of his friends.it is doable but its hard work.

ode remo:

the big questions are, we as a community by which i mean the Nigerian community not failing our children.?
i have a 16yrs boy and live in south London, so i know what i am talking about.
there are numerous reasons why this is happenning some of which are self inflicted.
the break down of the family nucleus  has a very big factor to play in this.
the role Nigerian so called Mothers now play in the family setting has a role.
the unending 24/7 attitude to work play its own part.
we all need to look inward to solve these problems. you will block your ear hole if you listen to some of the music our kids listen to.
it took me a long time to reorient my son and most of his friends.it is doable but its hard work.

I cannot raise ma kid in this country.
When i have ma kids, they are going back to Naija once they hit 9/10. . . . .
They won't be coming back until they hit 17. London is one of the worst cities to raise kids.
The environment is toxic.

I live in the u.k and cant attest the cause of this madness is the breakdown of the family structure - so many single mothers out there who are just kid themselves. How is a kid suppose to control a kid. Until the government addresses this issue and give back power to schools and parents to discipline their kids  - I am sorry to say the sad events will continue to happen.  some parts of london are just not safe to bring up children.

This is very very sad!! I wasn't sure he was Nigerian, till now. Such a young boy to have made such lethal enemies. So it's not enough to scare or punish a person you have disagreements with: taking his life is the be-all and end-all. Now people I know, both Carribeans and Africans, are considering taking their kids home to be raised once they start to get older. But it depends on your location. These gangs thrive in certain areas, while children in "posh" neighborhoods and schools might not be in the same kind of danger. But I have noticed that Nigerian boys have been the target for a number of killings. When will all this stop? For both the Nigerian and non-Nigerian kids?

~Sauron~:

I cannot raise ma kid in this country.
When i have ma kids, they are going back to Naija once they hit 9/10. . . . .
They won't be coming back until they hit 17. London is one of the worst cities to raise kids.
The environment is toxic.

It depends on the area - east and south london are notorious areas .  I live in essex and can confirm these area and others outside of london are much more safer and exempt from all these killings.  how come we dont hear all these rubbish in places like Hampstead, Fulham, Surrey, and other nicer areas.

When i have ma kids, they are going back to Naija once they hit 9/10. . . .

same thing we did with my son , sent him to nigeria for good 8yrs in a bording house, good school and all.
came back only 2yrs ago, thought he will be singing ayefele and 2face, but no its killa squard and gas gangs.

ode remo:

same thing we did with my son , sent him to nigeria for good 8yrs in a bording house, good school and all.
came back only 2yrs ago, thought he will be singing ayefele and 2face, but no its killa squard and gas gangs.

So your experiment did not work?

ode remo:

same thing we did with my son , sent him to nigeria for good 8yrs in a bording house, good school and all.
came back only 2yrs ago, thought he will be singing ayefele and 2face, but no its killa squard and gas gangs.

Listening to hiphop does not mean your experiment did not work. If he keeps away from trouble and gets into a good university, then you have done well.

blacksta:

It depends on the area - east and south london are notorious areas .  I live in essex and can confirm these area and others outside of london are much more safer and exempt from all these killings.  how come we dont hear all these rubbish in places like Hampstead, Fulham, Surrey, and other nicer areas.

It does not matter where you stay.
These kids move around - they attend social functions, friends' parties, raves, etc.
Chelsea area used to be a notorious area in 2007 circa until Police cracked down on the notorious gang controlling that post code.

ode remo:

same thing we did with my son , sent him to nigeria for good 8yrs in a bording house, good school and all.
came back only 2yrs ago, thought he will be singing ayefele and 2face, but no its killa squard and gas gangs.

Well. . . . . .A lot of families now deploy this method so the school you sent him to in Naija musta been filled with other UK imports.
The Government should be blamed for this. The system broke down when they decided to poke their noses into families by trying to teach parents how kids should be trained.

People seem to be missing the point.

This is entirely a problem with teenage London,

Is not like people go about hunting for Nigerians or whoever. Kids with no father figures, poverty and peer pressure are also a problem

Most of the time its gang related, but at times might be trivial stuff such as postcodes,girls etc

Also the government tends to be a tad bit lenient regarding teenage crime  

^^/ most guys of my age did same thing took our kids to nija and bring them back afterward for the fact that if your kids is not residence for two years you fail to qualify for some uni. grants or else you end up paying the full wack.
the experiment will fail if the parents is not a one FAMILY. the kid will see a gap and try to exploit it.
you can pray all you like but most of us don't do the simple thing with our children. jogging , riding bike together, taking them to swimming pool/ dance lesson. piano/music class. an average Nigerian will laugh it off, but these are what matters to this kids.

~Sauron~:

The Government should be blamed for this. The system broke down when they decided to poke their noses into families by trying to teach parents how kids should be trained.

That is not true. Black people need to sort their kids out, that's the truth. Most of these gang members are terrified of their parents, and they probably get battered more than anyone else, still, it doesn't stop them from sneaking outside while their mother single handedly "raises" 12 other children, and then the kid goes gang banging. Add the fact that London is boring plus the attractive lifestyle of "gangster" rap and you get London 2010.

Black parents need to realise that it's not all about punishment, children need attention, guidance and love.

ezeagu:

That is not true. Black people need to sort their kids out, that's the truth. Most of these gang members are terrified of their parents, and they probably get battered more than anyone else, still, it doesn't stop them from sneaking outside while their mother single handedly "raises" 12 other children, and then the kid goes gang banging. Add the fact that London is boring plus the attractive lifestyle of "gangster" rap and you get London 2010.

Black parents need to realise that it's not all about punishment, children need attention, guidance and love.

It seems you are high on grey pubes.
How do you sort your kids when the government has given em the powers to resist 'sorting'?
The kids are tutored as early as 5 to dial 911 when their parents subject em to any sorta discipline and you are here ranting Black people need to sort their kids out - what's your IQ if i may ask?