Ioannes:



It's either you don't know that the Bible is filled with historical accuracies that have already been proved or you don't know the meaning of the word "fable".

Most atheists think they are saying something new. A simple research of your position on the internet will show a question asked and answered.

There might be questions that are yet to be answered by Christianity today but the right questions aren't being asked. Most atheists today aren't really atheists. They are more like God-haters.

Ioannes:

Can you prove to us that God does not exist?

Ioannes:

Can you prove to us that God does not exist?

CuteMadridista:
The bible is all lies. Its a fantasy created for control, to impoverish the masses and keep them humble. No longer are chains and whips required, we can control people thru a promise in a book . The government loves evangelistic preaching . It subdues masses, keeps them paying taxes, makes them docile, humble meek low self esteem folks just waiting till death for some promises they will never get. Provisions, prayer requests, blessings for behavior, recompence for offerings and tithes, fruitful accomplished life , all this and more ....you gotta believe !! Faith and the promise of hope.... I hope none of you actually believed it and wasted your life doing as the bible says! That would be a waste of life

post=72068736:
.......Op, lets help out with some we can think of at this point.
It's all about God.

The longest chapter if the Bible is Psalm 119 with 176 verses. The shortest chapter is Psalm 117 with only 2 verses. Incidentally, the middle chapter of the Bible is also Psalm 117.

The longest book of the Bible is Psalms with 150 chapters, or psalms. It contains 43,743 words. The shortest book is 3 John with only 1 chapter and 299 words.

The longest verse in the Bible is Esther 8:9 with 90 words. The shortest verse is John 11:35 with only 2 words, “Jesus wept."

Afobear:
I warned you

Ioannes:


Can you prove to us that God does not exist?

Blabbermouth:


Convince me sire

Evince:
can u prove that he exist?

Evince:
i cant convince u because i dont hypnotize ppl. u own ur thought and u have been fed info from birth and that is the evidence u have that there is god. so u are the one to free urself from that mental slavery.

Ioannes:


Yes I can. Can you prove he didn't exist?

Blabbermouth:

Okay then. Just prove to us all that HE doesnt exist or better still, those things we claimed he created pls xplain how they came to existence then

Evince:
go ahead and prove but dont give me story from a book that is fool of lies

Ioannes:


I asked you first. Prove to me that God doesn't exist and I will prove to you that he does.

Ioannes:


I asked you first. Prove to me that God doesn't exist and I will prove to you that he does.

Evince:
meanwhile where will i start to prove what does not exist. if we are debating on something that exist but having let say misconception of its nature then i can give u my perception . so here is a dead end because nothing to talk about it as it doesn and never existed

Evince:
meanwhile where will i start to prove what does not exist. if we are debating on something that exist but having let say misconception of its nature then i can give u my perception . so here is a dead end because nothing to talk about it as it doesn and never existed

Ioannes:


Can you tell me how you think the first humans came into existence?

Ioannes:


Can you tell me how you think the first humans came into existence?

Evince:
mind u all that u know and believe about ur god existence are what u were told growing up. assuming u were born a Buddhist ur god will be diff from the one u believe same if u were born a Muslim. we are just a product of our first contact which is environment. now not being dogmatic is when u decide to research into the hypnosis

Evince:
thought is not evidence or prove of anything . there a thousands of thought about the origin of life of which u chose the one u support . i kid u not u dont have evidence of that thought. i cant come in the middle of my mystery and conclude something created me. it is called dogmatism dear. there is no proof to prove all that claim . so u see my thought is open not close

Ioannes:


I haven't mentioned the name of any God have I?

We aren't talking about whether the God is the Christians God or the moslem God or the Buddhist God. We are talking about the concept of a Creator and the possibility of his existence.

Forget the Bible or the Qur'an here. Answer my question, how did the first humans came into being. That should be a simple question unless you're telling me you've never thought about it before which will make you totally unsuitable to carry on this conversation.

Ioannes:


The question is simple. Stop trying to sidestep it.

Everybody has an opinion about everything.

You have an opinion that God doesn't exist. So I ask where did human beings come from if God doesn't exist?

At least you must have been seeing yourself in the mirror even if you choose not to see others. So you can't claim human beings don't exist. Where did they come from? They can't have just appeared or materialized out of thin air.

So, where did humans come from and what's the purpose of their existence.

Evince:
i love that angle we "think" therefore we exist. seeing myself in the mirror means that i know i exist but i cant claim what i dont see exist. . u think i hvnt thought of it right? thats why i said i cant in the middle f the mystery of our origin and claim god exist. i know only the biology of life but for going to the aegis to determine the origin . pls at the end of i wasnt there so that settles it

Ioannes:


You see yourself that you exist, yet you don't wonder where you come from?

Biology doesn't answer the question, where did I come from? Or where did MANKIND come from.

That you don't know that something is there doesn't mean that it isn't there unless you want to claim that you know everything that exists.

That you can't see God doesn't mean God doesn't exist.

That you can't see the Andromeda galaxy doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

What is the purpose of man in life anyway? To eat, sleep, fvck, sh.it, sleep and die? I don't think so.

Instead of concluding that God doesn't exist because you don't understand the best course of action is to keep searching for the truth.

Ioannes:


You see yourself that you exist, yet you don't wonder where you come from?

Biology doesn't answer the question, where did I come from? Or where did MANKIND come from.

That you don't know that something is there doesn't mean that it isn't there unless you want to claim that you know everything that exists.

That you can't see God doesn't mean God doesn't exist.

That you can't see the Andromeda galaxy doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

What is the purpose of man in life anyway? To eat, sleep, fvck, sh.it, sleep and die? I don't think so.

Instead of concluding that God doesn't exist because you don't understand the best course of action is to keep searching for the truth.

Ioannes:


You see yourself that you exist, yet you don't wonder where you come from?

Biology doesn't answer the question, where did I come from? Or where did MANKIND come from.

That you don't know that something is there doesn't mean that it isn't there unless you want to claim that you know everything that exists.

That you can't see God doesn't mean God doesn't exist.

That you can't see the Andromeda galaxy doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

What is the purpose of man in life anyway? To eat, sleep, fvck, sh.it, sleep and die? I don't think so.

Instead of concluding that God doesn't exist because you don't understand the best course of action is to keep searching for the truth.

Blabbermouth:

Okay then. Just prove to us all that HE doesnt exist or better still, those things we claimed he created pls xplain how they came to existence then

Evince:
Your ideology on how the world works is quite laughable and mundane but I’m going to pretend I didn’t notice how ill-informed, brainwashed and indoctrinated by the society you are, I’ll proceed to answer your questions/dysfunctional opinions stated herein.

Yes I only believe in what can be re-demonstrated and proven with irrefutable evidence after rigorous peer-review and not what I’m told by somebody who was told by somebody who was also told by someone else, which is the syndrome that afflicts most Nigerians. Juju as you call it is a myth but to the untrained eye it’s as real as it gets.

Voodoo, charms, black magic, juju are all words used by unintelligible illiterate black Africans (mostly) who wouldn’t reason for themselves even if their lives depended on it, they hold on to bronze-age beliefs passed on to them from their ancestors who didn’t know how to cure common cold because they had no antibiotics, they didn’t know where the sun went at night because they know not what revolution and rotation of the earth on its axis is, they wonder what rain, thunder and lightning is because they don’t know that when a positively charged cloud gets in contact with a negatively charged cloud it discharges electrons which can be seen in form of a bright streak across the sky. They have no idea what these things are so they are in awe and have no choice but to worship it and sometimes go a step further to worship it by way of libations and ceremonial rituals to appease it. Today we know what all these things are because they’ve all been demystified by science but yet some people exactly like you are still holding on to the era of the stone age despite being in the 21st century. Attributing things to an imaginary deity while holding a phone in your hand which integrates more than 20 different technologies in it simply implies the biggest irony of our time, an unfortunate anomaly.

Nothing flows from the inexistent spiritual to the physical (you wish it did but it doesn’t and if you can prove it does then you can be a recipient of a Nobel award). The physical is all there is (sorry to burst your little bubble).

Do you even know the history behind your Christianity? (All religions of the world are equally as silly as the next religion but for this purpose let’s take your choice religion, Christianity, as a case study). Have you ever heard of Emperor Constantine and how he held this epic meeting bringing together all priests and Heads of different religions at the time, sat them down and ask all of them to formulate one single religion to unify all of the pagans together. That day many pagan religions were fused together and the name Christianity was adopted. All those who didn’t approve of it were executed immediately, these are historically verifiable facts, read about “The meeting at Nicea”. Your religion is a joke which was handcrafted by men like yourself and forced on people for thousands of years by burning unbelievers at the stake and always keeping the next generation of adults indoctrinated from birth by immediately instilling religious dogma in them from birth so at an early age they already have developed “Cognitive dissonance”

Isn’t it funny that your parents are Christians and youre also a Christian. Your religion is the right one while that of others are all wrong … but this is what all Muslims, Buddhists, Zoroastrian etc. also say, mine is right while every other person’s own is wrong.

Geography, your religion is a function of the geographical location you were born. If you were born in Pakistan, today you’ll be defending your variant of Islamic faith till your last breath.

Let me quote you, “…This is why Christians pray…”

Yes they do pray but their prayers lacks efficacy and it’s redundant by all standards once you step out of your confined mental box to really look at it. Remember all the hashtags, pray for London, pray for Amsterdam, pray for Cote de voire, pray for Paris, pray for Turkey, pray for nice, pray for Brussels, pray for Paris (again), pray Kenya but again and again the events still keep resurfacing because the prayers aren’t working (there are many applicable slimy excuses on God’s behalf but none of it is plausible). Surely by now someone would have already thought of averting it from happening by praying proactively and giving us a society with a perfect system and harmony, but no, reality hits, it happens again and again till we run out of hashtags.

Prayer is an illusion which makes you feel you’ve played your part in something by closing your eyes, muttering words to yourself while communicating with a man tucked away in the sky billions of miles away. In reality, your intergalactic super cosmic chit-chat boils down to zilch, zero, nothing. It’s all imagination and a laughable practice.

Science have been able to eradicate many diseases, most recent was polio. But, billions of hands clasped together in prayers were not able to eradicate any disease for thousands of years until science came along. Hence, a single hand in the science lab shaking and mixing burettes and pipettes is much productive than billions of hands held together in prayers.

I’m still surprise you don’t know that Christianity is a pagan religion majorly remodeled after Mithraism, same wine new bottle. You talk about juju worshippers carrying out ritualistic sacrifices but you forgot that eating of bread and drinking of wine is an actual ritual where real flesh and wine were eaten by worshippers in the past until it was reformed by modern Christians into what it is today because it would look grotesque in these times. Talking about sacrifices, read your bible and find out how many times your lord your God asked for sacrifice, I mean human sacrifice, spilling of human blood to his glory. It’s quite numerous if you navigate your bible well enough or just do an online search if you’re too lazy to read the whole book. Even the devil in the bible never sacrificed anything (though the devil is also an imaginary being just like God, Jesus, demons angels etc.). Theological scholars and statisticians have been able to peg the amount of people killed by God in the bible in comparison with amount killed by Satan. Guess what, God killed 2.5 million people (excluding those who died in the flood) while the devil killed 10 people (family of Job: he took a bet with God regarding Job and got permission from God to do the killings). So who is the bad guy between both imaginary creatures? All pseudo-facts here were retrieved from your fairy-tale book called the bible which shows your God is a blood thirsty psychopath or a monster compared to the devil (despite both being work of fiction).

Read about “Flavius Josephus”, the Jewish scholar who was coerced by the Roman Empire to write the book of the gospels and create an agreeable character called Jesus Christ. Yes his pen created your lord and savior. This was forced on the citizens for centuries until all traces of the scam was lost, unless you read history books and see for yourself which you might not want to in order not to tarnish your delusion.

I quote you again “…either you’re serving Jehovah God or you’re serving the devil ”

Well, do you know how many religions exist in the world? There are about 3700 religions and Gods out there being worshipped but yours happen to be the correct one, how lucky of you. Do you know how many denominations the Christian faith has? I bet you don’t, it about 40,000 denominations (go Google it). So being born a Christian isn’t enough you still have to push your luck further and make sure you’re born into the right denomination or you risk hell fire (more fiction). I hope you’re in the right sect otherwise this would have been for nothing.

It’s all superstition to believe a man was made of mud, the whole world was created from nothing but the incoming woman had to be cloned from a rib bone and a talking snake (seriously?) deceived this woman to eat some fruit which made us all sinners … the story is out rightly comical, might as well have been written by a circus clown, that’s how funny it is if you had grown to the age of 19 and this story was presented to you for the first time. But since it was told to you since infancy you take it as true. If you step outside your dogma you might even notice how silly it is even right now.

If I told you that a donkey spoke to me you would instantly conclude that I’m crazy or you’ll ask to see the donkey yourself for evidence, hence you dismissed me on some rational grounds. But the minute you read it from the bible, rationality goes straight out the window and you believe in talking snakes and donkeys. So you believe in an ancient book written by ancient goat herders without evidence rather than your own critical reasoning.

It’s also superstition when washing of sins needs a human sacrifice (I’m talking of human ritual), nailing someone to a cross to remove sins is actually human ritual, which is what your God practices. Also it’s stupid to feel that one act can affect the other, how can the death of someone on a cross affect the cleansing of sin? What’s the correlation? This requires ignorant gullible people to believe, as a rational mind cant process the depth of foolishness involved to accept this as fact.

You called me gullible. Biggest laugh I’ve had in a long while. How is it that I’m the gullible one? You’re the one who believes ridiculous things like a girl supposedly a virgin magically delivers a baby boy by way surrogacy, this baby happens to be the son of God, this son also happens to be God himself also (talking about trinity, do you know the whole trinity thing and resurrection was only recently added to the bible by some monks less than a thousand years ago, it wasn’t there before). He died to wash away sin yet people still sin till this very day, how pathetic. How else do you define gullibility other than a bunch of people giving their money to a self-acclaimed minister of God for him to read from a book you all have a copy of once a week.

Nigeria loses over 20 percent of its internally and externally generated revenue to pastors who fleece more than 40 percent of the population with tax-free returns. Imagine billions of naira being lost all around the nation every Sunday, if these monies were diversified elsewhere we would be in the same league with irreligious countries like Japan, Sweden, Denmark etc. all their monies circulates within the economy and they just keep prospering. Our economy is being raped in the guise of religion.

Religion is make-believe.

Science is evidence-based.

Why don’t we see pastors in hospitals healing people in droves and emptying clinics off their patients? We see only doctors there using equipment and apparatuses provided by science because prayers won’t heal (forget the show you see on TV) you need drugs provided by science despite having faith as huge as a mountain in your choice deity. Since you like make-believe so much then just remain encased in your cocoon called religion and dream on. Zero advantage to be derived from it in the real world.

I don’t blame people like you and how you view the world because science is hard so why not believe the most simplistic tailor-made answer; Genesis 1:1 God create the heavens and the earth. Period. Ponder no more. Now, you don’t need to bother about finding out about “Abiogenesis” which is a tougher story to digest, no need to read heaps of science books, rather stick to that book written to keep you deluded for life.

God didn’t create man.

Man created God.

Man created god to explain away all the difficult questions.

Imagine 5000 years ago, a prehistoric man sees lightning zipping across the sky and even this lightning to his bewilderment strikes trees and causes fire. He had no explanation for this, so he begins to revere lightning, next he begins to worship trees struck by lightning, he worships rivers, rocks, sculptures and calls it God. Now, he passes this practice his sons and daughters, who also passes it on to their sons and daughters and now it has been passed to you through the ages (it has gone through many, reformations, reinterpretations, customizations, diversification etc.) and now you are going to pass it on to your sons and daughters too, they’re also going to pass it on too and it goes on like that. It’s the oldest running scam in history ever since medieval politicians understood the massive gains and benefit they could acquire from people’s gullibility (Read about: “East meets West” Greeks and Roman politicians partner up to form the biggest religion, Christianity)

Also, whenever you catch yourself quoting the bible like you did earlier, just know it’s all “circular reasoning”, the worse of its kind.

How do you know the bible is true?
Because it’s the word of God.
How do you know it’s the word of God?
Because it’s written in the bible.
How do you know the bible is true?
Because it’s the word of God.
How do you know it’s the word of God?
Because it’s written in the bible.

Circular reasoning because each need the other to prove the other and can’t be proven independently. Both of which, God and the bible has no irrefutable evidence to back its claim of existence and infallibility respectively. Since God has been camera shy for the last 2000 years and only resides in peoples heart it would be pretty tough to prove if he exists.

And as for the slavery thing you spoke about, you don’t want to get me started on that slavery write-up you made which was riddled with erroneous assumptions, it would only open up a different can of worms unfavorable to your argument.

Enough has been said.

Rise above superstition!

Ioannes:


Good. Now go back and slowly read my post that you quoted because while I was reading your term paper I had to go check my post to see if I truly wrote those things you've mentioned that I wrote.

It's either you're quoting the wrong person, or you're suffering from some form of delusion.

For example, where in my post did I mention juju?

Also where did I mention the Bible or any particular religion in the post you quoted?

Maybe you feeling funky, but I can assure you, you aren't funny.

Oh by the way, early followers of Christ were first called Christians in Antioch because they exhibited Christ-like qualities in their relationship with themselves and others. Just like Corinthians means people of Corinth and Galatians means people of Galatia, so also Christians mean people of the Christ, or Christ-like people. And this was way way before Constantine.

Anyway, I'd respond to your term paper paragraph by paragraph, but I'd have to be sure it's me you intended to quote.

I repeat here that God exists. And anybody looking for proof should stand in front of a mirror.

Until science can tell us exactly how man came to be, I'll say science is incapable of revealing knowledge that transcends the physical.

Arrogance and pride are what makes a man deny that he was created. You think science can tell us everything? 100 years ago man had no idea of the existence of black holes.

What percentage of the universe do you even think we know about? Even the observable universe from our POV from the earth continues to expand into infinity the more we peer.

You may think yourself intelligent, but trust me you are nothing close to that, no offence. Intelligence begins when you realize that you know nothing which would eventually push you to want to learn the truth.


You rely on history written by antagonizers of Christianity.

A true scientist will read from both sides and weigh his options. Not you. You read conspiracy theories and hold fast to them as truth.

How much of Church documents written over 2000 years have you read?

The Church started with the Council of Jerusalem. The latest is the Second Vatican Council, all covering a period of 2000+ years. If you were truly interested in the truth and not a one-sided claim to back up your hatred for a Creator that you can't see, you'd consider reading these documents.

I know you are viewing some conspiracy theory videos from YouTube. They won't help you get to the truth.

Whatever you think you know about anything is the opinion of the person who wrote it.

That's really none of my business though.

What is my business is, you can't prove to anyone that God doesn't exist.

The onus to prove God exists or not lies squarely in your court.

I have given you simple, thought provoking, answers here. No rational being can be formed out of non-rational elements like nature.

Nature can't suddenly whip up the human consciousness unless Nature itself was conscious.

Consciousness can't come from unconscious elements.

Not possible.


I'm not here to debate with you if the Christian God is the real God or if the moslem God is the real God.


The Concept of an Intelligent Being, or Intelligent Force behind the creation and the sustenance of the Cosmos that we see is what is in debate here.


That you do not see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.(I don't know how often I have to say that before you grasp it)


Even scientists are coming to the realization that our consciousness continues to exist after death, in other words, there is life after death.


The books you're are quoting here, like "the east meets west" or something were written by humans like you, who have a penchant to lie or distort the facts as they see it.


Whatever the Bible is, inspired or not, it has the advantage of being a collection of books, scrolls written over thousands of years, over very many generations and shows at the very least the religion, cultural practices, the aspirations, the folklore and the day to day life of a people.


I'd take that over some book written in probably this century by people who were born in last century, assuming they even have no ulterior motives.


You keep talking about prehistoric man as a savage beast. I laugh at you. It shows that you have a long way to go.


Are you aware that till this moment, scientists can't tell us exactly how the great pyramid of Giza and the other pyramids in Egypt, in the South American jungles came to be?


Have you seen the Stone Henge? Do you think it was prehistoric man that lifted those stones in place?


Do you know that more than 90% of the world's water body is yet to be explored by any human since history began for us?


Do you think you can stand the sight of creatures that will crawl up from the depths of the Ocean if the ocean were to dry up today?


Are you aware that more species of living things are being discovered yearly?


Do you think science can explain your existence? If yes, then please go ahead and share that explanation here.


You accuse Christians of being gullible because they read the bible and believe it, yet you don't think you are also gullible by reading books that pretend to talk about history. It is either you're gullible too or you were alive when these events took place.

I understand that you think you know everything. How about you keep researching and don't be in a haste to denounce any religion or school of thought because you might jolly well be wrong.