agboedeh:
u just mentioned wat the malinios has over the Caucasians and kangals.Yes,wen its a "chase and hold down" situation,the Mali has more advantage but when its a "face head on"situation, the Caucasians and kangals has more advantage. For example,A girl is in her yard alone with a very huge kangal by her side,if a heavily bodied man decide to come and attack her ,the kangal would simply do more damage to the man than a malinios would do.
it's not in every situation that guarding involves just chasing and biting down an intruder.Sometimes it involves brutal strength ,intimidation and bravery.A kangal would do more damage than a malinios .
U talked about effectiveness. U can't say a malinios is more effective than a caucasian. They were both bred for diff purposes.
U said wat a dog trainer looks for is effectiveness and efficiency. Efficiency in what exactly? A trainer might decide to train dogs that are effectively used in guarding livestock, are u trying to say a Mali is more efficient than a co in that field.A trainer might also decide to train dogs used in d military and other task forces which the malinios is obviously better.
What started this argument is when the op said that all those big dogs like Caucasians, kangal ,rott would run away under serious pressure from an intruder and i simply told him its not true.

security agents usually wants suspects apprenhended not mauled and mind you a malinois is intimidating and brave just try to watch videos of rotts and the rest doing bite work you will see that the Mali does it better.

agboedeh:
Yea,but a malinios is nt more effective than a kangal in guarding the yard.A trained kangal would attack under orders and would stop if asked to.Let me remind u that kangal are fast and can actually chase down thieves.They are nt as bulky and lazy as other big dogs.Most kangal are actually tall and lean with heavy muscles.
They carry out all guard functions ,they jump,they chase,they are loyal,they are smart and will fight to the death.I would love to know other functions that I am missing cos like I said,we are all here to learn.

that is where the spirit of the fight comes in... how long can a kangal keep up the chase? a malinois can go on and on but how long can a kangal go?

ImFortress:



The problem you internet breeders have is that, all the experience you ever gain was from the internet, no first hand experience. Google might not be inaccurate, but Google always shows you what you ask for because there is and Will always be an exception.

Look up American pitbull terrier and Google will pop up American bullies, then Naive internet breeder will start parading American bullies as APBT, then tag the real Apbt local dogs.

Now back to the subject, if any of you don't have first hand experience from at least 5 dogs of each breed, kindly and humbly shut up, let people that knows talk and you learn.



STOP SINGING GOOGLE, ITS ANNOYING

I never said I was a breeder
I never said I was better at dog breeding than anybody
I've already made my point and none of you have Been able to discredit it so if you don't have any other thing to say apart from me getting my stuff from Google then don't mention me again
The videos I posted were not animated where they?
You said somethings I didn't agree with, I posted googled facts, you said that googled facts weren't enough, I posted the actual videos of the dogs, you're still talking about Google

IamAnderson:

COs and other big dogs are also more lethal In an attack than any malinois
A malinois cannot take down a kangal or CO in a fight
A malinois is not a very strong or deadly dog
Malinois are only used in the military because of their speed,size, health,agility and mental capability not because they are better than every other dog
A well trained kangal or CO can properly attack intruders and guard a place or person well, they are not as slow, stupid and useless as you made them seem
Malinois are better working dogs but not better guard dogs
These dogs are two different dogs for two different purposes, don't make it look like the malinois can do the work of every dog better than the dogs that were actually bred for them
They are both good at what they do

This is a summary of my argument, unless you can prove anything I said wrong, don't mention me again
Someone was even saying the scenes were staged, did the dogs know they were staged?
Anybody that has eyes can look at the pics to see the dogs doing everything you said they couldn't and that was my aim
You're just angry because someone without any experience was right about something you claim to have years of experience in
I am not a breeder in fact.....all of you probably have more experience than I can dream of having but you can't deny what I said was true
I got all those videos from professional CO,kangal and Tibetan mastiff trainers I didn't animate them to decieve anybody
The videos showed the dogs doing everything you all made seem they couldn't
I also talked about the strengths of the malinois and I also admitted the things they where better at doing than big dogs
Don't mention me again on this thread unless you can prove anything I said wrong

ImFortress:



There's always an exception in every breed.

So give us first hand facts biko.


Okay, lemme make this easy for you, give us first hand facts from/in Nigeria.

I have first hand experience, oluomoadebayo has first hand experience, what's do you have? Internet experience? Come on bro

Are the screenshots I shared fake?

ImFortress:



I have first hand experience, oluomoadebayo has first hand experience, what's do you have? Internet experience?

I have a feeling you aren't even reading my comments
Because you weren't able to train the dogs to do all those things doesn't mean they can't do them, that's what I've been trying to tell olumoadebayo.
The people that trained those dogs are more experienced than you and are apparently better at it than you but you're still trying to discredit them because I'm not the one?
If you were arguing with one of those men that trained the big dogs and he showed you pictures of the dogs doing what they said they couldn't would you still be arguing?
But I guess it's because you know I'm not a trainer that youre still saying that googled pictures and videos of the things happening aren't facts

IamAnderson:

I have a feeling you aren't even reading my comments
Because you weren't able to train the dogs to do all those things doesn't mean they can't do them, that's what I've been trying to tell olumoadebayo.
The people that trained those dogs are more experienced than you and are apparently better at it than you but you're still trying to discredit them because I'm not the one?
If you were arguing with one of those men that trained the big dogs and he showed you pictures of the dogs doing what they said they couldn't would you still be arguing?
But I guess it's because you know I'm not a trainer that youre still saying that googled pictures and videos of the things happening aren't facts

to make you understand his point kindly answer this


what is one of the things that usually happen to dogs when imported from overseas (with proven bloodlines),even after feeding the same thing it eat overseas?


only first hand experience or studying a particular breed can give you an idea.

you can't all answers on Google .

jeff1607:


to make you understand his point kindly answer this


what is one of the things that usually happen to dogs when imported from overseas (with proven bloodlines),even after feeding the same thing it eat overseas?


only first hand experience or studying a particular breed can give you an idea.

you can't all answers on Google .

Yes, not all answers can be gotten from Google but this isn't one of them
Again I'm not a trainer but I happen to be right about this in particular.... I don't know what you're still saying

Here's an example of what's going on;
If you said birds couldn't eat snakes and I said otherwise, after showing you these pictures of real birds eating snakes would you still be asking for my degree in ornithology or believe immediately?
Why is it so difficult for you now?
Would you be asking me if I have taken care of up to 5 species of birds before?
Would you be asking me if I am experienced in ornithology?

IamAnderson:

Yes, not all answers can be gotten from Google but this isn't one of them
Again I'm not a trainer but I happen to be right about this in particular.... I don't know what you're still saying

ok

IamAnderson:
I don't have any vendetta against you olumoadebayo and I'm not trying to attack you
I'm still a fan of your work and I still admire your dogs
I'm not looking for any bad blood between us, don't take it personal....they're just facts that even you can't change

You have made valid point. Kudos

ImFortress:


I'm not having a feeling that you haven't read and understood, I know you didn't and I'm not arguing with you either. I'm telling you, get me first hand experience in Nigeria.

those guys in whatever pictures you posted which I didn't see (Not an issue though), those dogs were professionally hand picked, not just one random dog out of nowhere

So you want to use Nigeria as a reference to show the effectiveness of a European dog?
Let me tell you something, do you know about the west African dwarf goat?(ewu)
That breed of goat has been in Nigeria for years and goat herders have raised them for generations.
Do you know that recently, it was discovered that that breed of goat was native to only this part of the world?
Do you know that the breed of goat is the highest milk producer amongst other breeds?
If you go and tell a Nigerian farmer these things, the farmer will tell you that he has decades of experience under his belt and you are just a novice
Does it still change the fact that the goat that was exported lived up to it's expectations?
The goat is now in a zoo in England as a pet
Meanwhile, in Nigeria the same specie of goat is still seen as trash and eaten anyhow

Secondly, olumoadebayo's malinois where also hand picked and the inferior ones where out down so what's your point?
If you pick a malinois out of nowhere do you think it'll be skilled?
If the malinois where hand picked and trained from puppyhood why can't the COs?

@ IamAnderson; my goodness, i beg to see people reason like you on this thread everyday. See sense. Bless your intellect. If anyone can truly prove credibly that all you have said above are lies and baseless facts, then such should. I wonder why anyone would compare a malinois to a kangal or co. its no different from comparing a defensive mildfielder who is quite a better 'all-rounder' and a Centre back who although can initiate an attack has his home on d defence.
Keep you head up. Keep learning, get ur knowledge no matter d source. internet, mags, library, jokes, just get it. kudos for your knowledge and stance

space9880:


security agents usually wants suspects apprenhended not mauled and mind you a malinois is intimidating and brave just try to watch videos of rotts and the rest doing bite work you will see that the Mali does it better.

Yes ,security agents wants suspect apprehended and a kangal can be trained to do so.Look, y do u think its illegal to export kangals out of turkey,they are dangerous if nt properly trained.
Coming to intimidation, U can't compare the intimidation a kangal gives to DAT of a malinios. So u are telling me DAT a trained malinios would do a better bite work than a trained rott..Very wrong.

space9880:


that is where the spirit of the fight comes in... how long can a kangal keep up the chase? a malinois can go on and on but how long can a kangal go?

Well,u definitely can't compare the speed of the two breeds. A Mali is faster for sure but when it comes to guarding the yard and its a matter of life and death(i.e kill me or I kill ur people) the kangal is unbeatable. Pls stop comparing the kangal and Mali..they are nt in the same league.

AyobamiSky:
@ IamAnderson; my goodness, i beg to see people reason like you on this thread everyday. See sense. Bless your intellect. If anyone can truly prove credibly that all you have said above are lies and baseless facts, then such should. I wonder why anyone would compare a malinois to a kangal or co. its no different from comparing a defensive mildfielder who is quite a better 'all-rounder' and a Centre back who although can initiate an attack has his home on d defence.
Keep you head up. Keep learning, get ur knowledge no matter d source. internet, mags, library, jokes, just get it. kudos for your knowledge and stance

Thank you so much, this means a lot to me

Let it rest. They are great dogs, iamanderson has been consistent with his argument and has given good points. I give up.

But anyways for the love of the breed, I want all to see the beauty in dis malinois puppies, note dt diz are puppies with no actual training yet, I will attach link nd screenshots of d videohttps://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2032370150310731&id=1450487291832356

@oluomoadebayo; why do you get so aggresive when your clearly favoured breed is criticised in any way?. Have you seen how red you can turn in your previous posts when that happens?.
Do you think there really is a perfect dog breed?. or even one above criticism?. I smile when you do this, its funny. its quite similar to a tantrum.
As regards all the lad up there mentioned, you are yet to disprove him and you know its bcs he is stating backed up facts. Facts r realistic, regardless of who states 'em, r what they r.
You discredited that young man as having no experience, you went all sacarstic on him at a point, u tried to ridicule his knowledge by making a joke of it at a point but he stuck to his point. All these make me wonder, what energy you do transmit around your dogs.
Personal experience u seem to always fall on. You keep asking if they have dogs and even ds Kangal. Well the reason why someone like you probably will probably never know that there are us, yes i said us and nt me who own Kangals in Naija-ile n exist on this forum is the same reason you wont see Rolls Royce adverts on TV(feel free to nt blv but ask yourself first if the cost of buying a kangal puppy and bringing it down is costlier than the ferraris, lambos, bentleys and d rolls you have seen in Naija-ile). In btw, wonder how that law enforcement guy got his tibettan mastiff?. I wonder if u have had a 35yr conscious experience in raising dogs and if doing so is a family tradition passed tru lineages in urs as is in my family(grand pop, pop, me and my unbelievable teen boys). Yet even i know that knowledge is gotten in 3ways; Reasoning, Experience(personal and dat of others), and Rationality which is d filter basically. You dnt know as much as you think you do, blv me
You even had to agitate for an attack session, on video and even wt a cash reward?. Haaaaaa!!! o fee tee( u want to shame yourself), IMAGINE(clearly stating that i wont) if i steered a couple of pple i knw towards ds challenge, people wt that Kangal and Co that you are soooo eager to prove a point against?. These are pple who would go for your jugular and push u till u agree to a kennel vs kennel. Young Man, u'd be out of of biz in 45mins. You think and blv a well trained dog is dangerous?. I'l show a dog bred( totured by d singular element of survivor against mother nature at her worst) to kill. Your 50k wld hardly seem like like a penny.
And what were you thinking when you suggested the above; wat wld happen if a prospective client saw dat, ur biz partners or a screenshot was sent to the kennel club u belong to and if there are no cosequences to this that you worry about, you r not as reputable as u make urslf seem then.
Learn more, live more, experience more. There is so much more than wat u think u know and the dog world aslmost as large as d human world

@Space9880 and Eveezy, buttlicking wont get you anywhere, neither will dogmatism and trembling n being afraid to bare the truth, stand by it and oppose d opposite of it, so u can fall in line and tune with a perceived 'authority'. Not every darn tin a percieved isle of knowledge says is ryt, dts a fallacy. Na there una go old keep, trust me. its detestable and if u dnt blv me, ask yourselves how long you have been doing ds and how many people truly seek ur knowledge and see you as reputable in what you do.
Start becoming better.

@AyobamiSky,it was just a healthy argument which is finally concluded.From this argument, people reading comments would know true facts and have better understanding.

AyobamiSky:
@Space9880 and Eveezy, buttlicking wont get you anywhere, neither will dogmatism and trembling n being afraid to bare the truth, stand by it and oppose d opposite of it, so u can fall in line and tune with a perceived 'authority'. Not every darn tin a percieved isle of knowledge says is ryt, dts a fallacy. Na there una go old keep, trust me. its detestable and if u dnt blv me, ask yourselves how long you have been doing ds and how many people truly seek ur knowledge and see you as reputable in what you do.
Start becoming better.

Butt licking? Really? Cos I spoke the truth? Do I know olumoadebayo from anywhere that I will butt lick? Dont get me angry, I yielded cos I was tired of dragging this issue, do not ever make a comparism of such to me, yall are deciding to see dis one sided. Please dont mention me if dis is wat u have to say.
I do not like stepping on toes, I believe u re a respectable man, I gave my analysis based on my perception and not cos I intend to be one sided. I never discredited any breed, I gave comparism of a huge bouncer and a smaller skilled guy. But seems people involved in this argument are not seeing it from my point, its my bad because I probably wasnt able to buttress my point enough to convince people, I could gather my facts as well and bring them here, but am not taking this argument too serious. Am sorry if I may sound rude with this comment, but I never want to be associated with Butt licking, every single thing I have achieved today, were done on my own, those words "butt licking" really infuriates me. I have yielded, so please dont bring that ish of butt licking

Eveezy:

Butt licking? Really? Cos I spoke the truth? Do I know olumoadebayo from anywhere that I will butt lick? Dont get me angry, I yielded cos I was tired of dragging this issue, do not ever make a comparism of such to me, yall are deciding to see dis one sided. Please dont mention me if dis is wat u have to say

calm down

agboedeh:
calm down

Thanks bro, I will

AyobamiSky:
@oluomoadebayo; why do you get so aggresive when your clearly favoured breed is criticised in any way?. Have you seen how red you can turn in your previous posts when that happens?.
Do you think there really is a perfect dog breed?. or even one above criticism?. I smile when you do this, its funny. its quite similar to a tantrum.
As regards all the lad up there mentioned, you are yet to disprove him and you know its bcs he is stating backed up facts. Facts r realistic, regardless of who states 'em, r what they r.
You discredited that young man as having no experience, you went all sacarstic on him at a point, u tried to ridicule his knowledge by making a joke of it at a point but he stuck to his point. All these make me wonder, what energy you do transmit around your dogs.
Personal experience u seem to always fall on. You keep asking if they have dogs and even ds Kangal. Well the reason why someone like you probably will probably never know that there are us, yes i said us and nt me who own Kangals in Naija-ile n exist on this forum is the same reason you wont see Rolls Royce adverts on TV(feel free to nt blv but ask yourself first if the cost of buying a kangal puppy and bringing it down is costlier than the ferraris, lambos, bentleys and d rolls you have seen in Naija-ile). In btw, wonder how that law enforcement guy got his tibettan mastiff?. I wonder if u have had a 35yr conscious experience in raising dogs and if doing so is a family tradition passed tru lineages in urs as is in my family(grand pop, pop, me and my unbelievable teen boys). Yet even i know that knowledge is gotten in 3ways; Reasoning, Experience(personal and dat of others), and Rationality which is d filter basically. You dnt know as much as you think you do, blv me
You even had to agitate for an attack session, on video and even wt a cash reward?. Haaaaaa!!! o fee tee( u want to shame yourself), IMAGINE(clearly stating that i wont) if i steered a couple of pple i knw towards ds challenge, people wt that Kangal and Co that you are soooo eager to prove a point against?. These are pple who would go for your jugular and push u till u agree to a kennel vs kennel. Young Man, u'd be out of of biz in 45mins. You think and blv a well trained dog is dangerous?. I'l show a dog bred( totured by d singular element of survivor against mother nature at her worst) to kill. Your 50k wld hardly seem like like a penny.
And what were you thinking when you suggested the above; wat wld happen if a prospective client saw dat, ur biz partners or a screenshot was sent to the kennel club u belong to and if there are no cosequences to this that you worry about, you r not as reputable as u make urslf seem then.
Learn more, live more, experience more. There is so much more than wat u think u know and the dog world aslmost as large as d human world

Getting aggressive on a dog? You must be kidding. Do I tell you I’m interested in a dog fight? I’m promoting my business but you and the others are promoting fictions.

agboedeh:
Well,U must have heard of a kennel called DARK DYNESTY K9.He trains top security dogs.In an interview, he said that when his bitch litters, he would watch them closely and choose the best dog that has more drive to learn and protect,while he sells off those that are not up to his standard.
Maybe that would have been a better option for u than to kill them.

And I will instruct the new buyers not to breed or how do I control the bad gene?

oluomoadebayo:


And I will instruct the new buyers not to breed or how do I control the bad gene?

maybe u can castrate them before selling

agboedeh:
maybe u can castrate them before selling

And you will buy a castrated dog? Please be honest. Most of you here are just here to attack the messenger. Just listen to yourself.

oluomoadebayo:


And you will buy a castrated dog? Please be honest. Most of you here are just here to attack the messenger. Just listen to yourself.

y wouldn't I buy a castrated dog.I have had castrated dogs in the past.Many of my colleagues owns castrated dogs.Nt everybody buy dogs inorder to breed them.Some people just want a loveable pet.
pls wats wrong with a castrated dog??
pls am nt here to attack anyone.Wat did u do to me DAT will make me attack u.

Do u know what..when ur next litter arrives,after selecting the ones that are up to standard,just castrate the once remaining and put them for sale(nt as expensive as the working dogs tho) and also notify the public that they were castrated. Then come back here and tell me how it went.
Pls its better to try than nt to try at all.Give them a living chance.