Gamine:

LOL. No, Where is Peckham? 

I was researching Personality Typing.

I think the word used was the 'Uninitiated'

There are 16 identified Types, and some say IFA was the god with 16 eyes.

I haven't ventured into 'primary' research yet, All I know is what I've found off the internet and books

Check out Myer-briggs

Fundamental to the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is the theory of psychological type as originally developed by Carl Jung.[1]:xiii Jung proposed the existence of two dichotomous pairs of cognitive functions:
The "rational" (judging) functions: thinking and feeling
The "irrational" (perceiving) functions: sensing and intuition
Jung went on to suggest that these functions are expressed in either an introverted or extraverted form.[1]:17 From Jung's original concepts, Briggs and Myers developed their own theory of psychological type, described below, on which the MBTI is based.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator

I'm actually working backwards from Myers-Briggs,
That's how I got to IFA

So baba, we good for Odi Meji and ready to move on to Irosun Meji? Or you want to explore Odi meji some more?

^^^ Why don't you do the honours with Irosun Meji.

Aboru Aboye

Irosun Meji

I I
I I
II II
II II

Ahere o ku iwo ni kan soso ninu oko,
Eru o ba aba niju
O dijo ojo ba ro
Ki ahere o too di eleni
A dia fun Egbe Ope ti somo bibu Agbonniregun
Ebo ni Won ni ko se
O si gbebo, O rubo
Nje owo ti n o se la ni Ifa
Bi Ifa ba hu kan, maa teji
Owo ti n o se la ni Ifa
Bi Ifa ba hu meji maa tekan.
Owo ti n o se la ni Ifa

Translation:
Farmhouse the only occupants in the farm
The barn is not afraid of the wilderness
Not until the day that rain falls
Before the farmhouse becomes inhabitied
Ifa declerations to Egbe Ope, child of Agbonniregun
The told him to offer ebo and he head and did
The job I will prosper with is Ifa
If the Ikin remain one, imprint two
The job I will prosper with is Ifa
If the Ikin remain two imprint one
THe job I will prosper with is Ifa

Ifa says the religion and job this person should be doing is Ifa. This person also need to be truthful. Ase

Etala soju baragaga,
Adia fun aye ti sawo lo ile onidere,
Aye o ku mo, ni dere laye wa,
Awo rere ni redere.

Translation:

Etala have spread eye,
Divined for earth that went to onidere house,
Earth never die, it is in idere ( means never dies),
A good babalawo must never died.

Ifa foressee blessing of long life for the person if he can make ebbo he will live long. Ase

I think two is good enough. It is good that we are putting down these things for people to see the beauty of our tradition. But you must remember the babalawo work very hard to learn these verses. The must become Eru to their masters to learn or in some cases must pay them. So let us not cheapen the sacrifice that they make to learn.

A question was asked about how long it takes for a babalawo to be trained, it varies from place to place and idividual to individual. Some students learn ifa at a scary pace and others take much longer. Average 5 years .But that is just preliminary training. Think of it as associate degree. Then from there they are more or less assistants, Then they will add to what they know from different teachers and different places. Its easier now because the foundation has been laid so they begin to learn specialized Ifa. This can take more years. Then we can say for lack of better comparisons. That person has a Bachelor's and can now maybe practice Ifa independently, So they must keep increasing themself until they true PHD babalawo. So depending on the person an average of 10 to 15 years is needed before than person is a real adept.

Ire ooo

Irosun also tells us of the need for patience before achievement in life.  It tells us why people will meander around in life before finding and achieving their true destiny. 

Apparently after choosing our ayanmo (destiny) in heaven we make our way down to earth crossing 7 hills until eventually at the last stage he are made to embrace a certain tree called the tree of forgetfulness.  When we do so we forget our destiny that we've chosen, and our heavenly existence.  Then we are born into this world in this state of having forgotten. 
However all is not lost.  Irosun tells us that our destiny will come to us in the form of dreams and subtle intimations.  It is murky and can't be discerned clearly.  There is a faculty given by a deity called Osun which helps us to see things that are not normally visible to the senses.  When irosun meji comes out the client can be told to offer something to Osun and to pay close attention to dreams and fantasies, even waking day dreams. 

expectations and things desired are often delayed in Irosun.  I think that this is one meaning behind the titular awos:

Ahere o ku iwo ni kan soso ninu oko,
Eru o ba aba niju
O dijo ojo ba ro
Ki ahere o too di eleni

The Farmstead is lonely, but the barns should not be afraid or disconcerted.  Their time is still coming.  It seems like they've been abandoned but when the rains come they will become popular again.

Also there is a choice.  Irosun talks a lot about choice contract.  The choices made in heaven before birth and the choices made on earth after being born.  because we have forgotten our choice contract (ayanmo) in heaven we often make wrong choices here on earth.  This dichotomy of right and wrong choices is depicted as chosing between Fire and Water.  Or a fair skinned husband or a dark skinned husband.  Or sometimes depicted as a choice between Sunlight and Rain.
Fire, sunlight, or the fire skinned man because of their brightness and vivacity would seem like the better choice but in the stories we always find that water is the right choice in the end. 
That is why the last line of the titular awo says that it is until the day that the rain falls that ahere (the farmhouse) will become popular again. 

Olojo tere nnako
Tere nna
Ina pupa belej, ara nta
Ojo dudu bolojo, ara nta
Kaka nfe ina me fe omo, ara nta
Olueri ma gba mi
oo l'oko agbado
Tere nna
Olojo tere nna
Tere nna

Lord of Rain, you are welcome to the farm
You are welcome
Fair complexioned fire, my body is paining me
Dark complexioned water, my body is paining me
Instead of marrying fire I wil marry rain, my body is paining me
Olueri (god of rivers) rescue me
Rain is the husband of the corn
You are welcome
Lord of Rain you are welcome
You are welcome.

Once upon a time the earthworm was betrothed to Rainfall.  However one day she meet the sunshine who was such a splendid fellow, dazzling and shining and shewing such promising prospects.  When the sunlight winked at her, she thought, 'why am I wasting myself with that dull rainfall fellow.  This other guy is much better'.  That is how she jilted the rainfall.  She packed into sunshines house.

But it wasn't long before she started to feel uncomfortable.  Everything about this sunshine guy was just so oppressive sha.  She began to appreciate that she had landed herself in a real hot peppersoup.  She decided to run away from Sunshine.  But sunshine found out and started to chase her.  As he was blazing away behind her she was really feeling the heat as she ran.  She started to cry out.
Ojo o , Aranta
Ina pupa beleje o
Omo Ara nta o Ojo
omo dudu bolojo
Ojo Ara nta Ojo

Rain O, my body is paining me
Fair complexioned Fire o
My body is paining me,
dark complexioned rainfall, my body is paining me
Rainfall my body is paining.

Rain fall became sympathetic to her plea and started a downpour on her.  That was how the earthworm was saved from her stuppid choices based on what seemed better to her carnal mind. 

Fire is bright and impressive but water is dark and obscure.  It is very rare in life that what seems better is actually better.  But we must be patient and let the unpromising water take time to blossom it's potential.

Great. I like how the thread going

Aboru Aboye

Ojo Awo loni.

Owonrin Meji
II II
II II
I I
I I


Okuta a la ma seje,
difa fun owo,
Omo abimo marun, jere mararun,
Abufun Ese, omo abimo marun, jere mararun,
Won ni ebo ni ki won se
Omo owo ki ku loju owo,
Omo ese ki ku loju ese,
Iwa ki toju oniwa baje,

Translation:

The stone break and have no blood,
Divined for hand,
That will give birth to five children and reap the fruit of his five children,
Also for feet that will give birth to five children and reap the fruit of all five
The children of hand will not died in the presence of hand,
The children of leg will not died in the presence of leg,
Someone behaviors will not perish in his presence.

Ifa said that the person shld make ebo for his or her children that he/she will see their benefit, and he/she should change his or her behaviour to good.

Thought I would get the ball rolling so that we can accomplish Baba Pastor's goal of going through the first 16 Odu Ifa.

fotyfyzy:

hi idinrete,
i am very happy to read all you guys post on here.i have been searching for people who are proud of their root and who will embrace the truth about our origin and religion.i dont have much to say here but idinrete, i would love to let you know that i am an IFA initiate and from igbodu i know the odu that birthed me ,pls can we talk personally as i would love to ask you some things unknown to me yet.thanks

Did Baba Idinrete or Baba Pastor give you the information that you wanted? if not you can always get me at my yahoo id. I would love to see how I might be able to answer whatever questions you may have.

@awonifade ,
have you ever been to ode remo.

No i have not been to ode remo

Gamine:

I'm actually working backwards from Myers-Briggs,
That's how I got to IFA

Hi Gamine, please if you find any correlations between myers-briggs and Ifa could you kindly share. Thank you.

Baba Pastor, for Owonrin meji, I only have that one verse I am willing share. How was your weekend? I look forward to when we can finish the 16 Olodu.

AwoOnifade:

Baba Pastor, for Owonrin meji, I only have that one verse I am willing share. How was your weekend? I look forward to when we can finish the 16 Olodu.

Good day sir. Please can you make more of an exposition of Owonrin Meji. For instance what kind of Ire would you predict from it. If you were divining and it came out with Ire Aiku (long life) for instance what would you tell you client?

I don't think that there is any need to rush through the 16 olodus. This is a discussion forum, we are not compiling an encyclopedia. Let other people come and join in and discuss and react to the thread post by post. This thread has been going for a few years now. Suuru ni baba Iwa. Patience is the father of good character.

I would be interested in seeing some contributions to the other threads in this forum. I wonder what your perspective is on pentecostal christianity/ Grail message/ Catholicism/ Atheism etc. I'm just curious.

Agbo Ato

Pastor AIO:

Good day sir. Please can you make more of an exposition of Owonrin Meji. For instance what kind of Ire would you predict from it. If you were divining and it came out with Ire Aiku (long life) for instance what would you tell you client?

I don't think that there is any need to rush through the 16 olodus. This is a discussion forum, we are not compiling an encyclopedia. Let other people come and join in and discuss and react to the thread post by post. This thread has been going for a few years now. Suuru ni baba Iwa. Patience is the father of good character.

I would be interested in seeing some contributions to the other threads in this forum. I wonder what your perspective is on pentecostal christianity/ Grail message/ Catholicism/ Atheism etc. I'm just curious.

Agbo Ato

O baba pastor, thank you for your response as well as your interest in seeing my perspective on other issues. The truth is, I joined NL just for this thread as I saw it was a while that you expressed your desire to reach Ofun Meji and it seemed either you didn't have time or was a little disheartened being the major contributor for the thread. So i decided to help you add to this thread, and encounter a few friends on this forum that I could move with. Thats the main reason why i joined NL.

I will get back to you with some more things for Owonrin Meji.

AwoOnifade:

Aboru Aboye

Ojo Awo loni.

Owonrin Meji
II II
II II
I I
I I


Okuta a la ma seje,
difa fun owo,
Omo abimo marun, jere mararun,
Abufun Ese, omo abimo marun, jere mararun,
Won ni ebo ni ki won se
Omo owo ki ku loju owo,
Omo ese ki ku loju ese,
Iwa ki toju oniwa baje,

Translation:

The stone break and have no blood,
Divined for hand,
That will give birth to five children and reap the fruit of his five children,
Also for feet that will give birth to five children and reap the fruit of all five
The children of hand will not died in the presence of hand,
The children of leg will not died in the presence of leg,
Someone behaviors will not perish in his presence.

Ifa said that the person shld make ebo for his or her children that he/she will see their benefit, and he/she should change his or her behaviour to good.

Thought I would get the ball rolling so that we can accomplish Baba Pastor's goal of going through the first 16 Odu Ifa.

I find that Owonrin is usually referring to a group and an individuals situation within a group setting. The effect of the group is usually of detrimental effect to the individual. This odu talks about epidemic diseases. Diseases that afflict the whole community. It could also refer to bad company or being amongst people that are not well disposed towards you. The group/community situation may not be physical. It could also be spiritual. There is mention of the Egbe Orun, or Egberun. These are often translated heavenly mates.
The client might be sickly and said to be hovering between this world and the next (a fairy). There is a possibility that your companions on the other side are trying to pull you back to be with them. This is obviously a threat to the life of the client. How to appease the Egbe is what the Babalawo concentrate on.

I'll post some ese odu later to back up what I'm saying. The ese awoonifade provided mentions the fingers which are all individuals grouped together in a group of 5. Ebo is made that benefit is reaped from their harmonious interaction.

This is from the Erindinlogun:

Mo yun koro
mo bo koro
a da fun Ologbo jigolo
ti nfi ojojumo rin da na aje
Orisa goloo ni mo yun
Orunmila goloo ni mo bo
Aje ki i wole, ko pa omo ete je
awon Iya mi ko ni fi wa s'eran pa je
Omo ni won yio ma fi wa se o.
Ase.

I went forth stealthily
I returned stealthily
This was divined for the Cat (ologbo jigolo)
That goes about everyday in the company of the witches.
Orisa, stealthily is how I went
Orunmila, stealthily is how I returned
The Witches will not enter and kill her own children
Our mothers will not take us as meat for the eating
They will rather regard us as their children.
Ase (amen?)

This ese talks about the Cat that hangs out in dangerous company.  There is no other animal that can hang with the witches.  Gooromafiyun is what the Cat says.  That is onomatopoeic.  That is the yoruba translation of the sound that the cat is making called Purring in english. Gooro Gooro.  Meaning to be unnoticed, or stealthy.  That is why the cat slinks around the way it does.  When The Cat went for divination because he was worried about the kind of society in which he found himself, they told him to make the requisite ebo.  He did so.  When the witches saw him they pounced on him, but when they looked into his eyes they saw that he had strange eyes.  'This one has eyes like us, he is one of us, leave him'.  That's is how they left the cat.  He just mosey-ed on out of there in his catlike way purring, 'gooro mafiyun, gooro mafibo'.

I only just read the thread from the beginning, lots of things are beginning to make sense. . .
Hopefully, I will come back with something insightful. . . .

Pastor and Awo,

. . . . just popped in to pay my respects to you guys. Ibaa o! Great wisdom, GOD Bless you guys!

I love Ifa in its entirety, its unfortunate that some people fail to see it as the true religion of mankind and the order for the cosmos. Those people that were raised with it are indeed fortunate. I wasn't that fortunate, I was raised on the Quran and Arabic and Torah. But since becoming adult I have educated myself on the Bible and and other books of divinity. Still I thank GOD for returning to me to the true path. The Torah, Bible and Quran have all led me back to the religion of Abraham and his fore fathers; IFA!

Gamine:

I only just read the thread from the beginning, lots of things are beginning to make sense. . .
Hopefully, I will come back with something insightful. . . .

I'm waiting with bated breath. Have you looked into Jung much? I think myers-briggs is derived from his psychological profiling.

Where is Pastor AIO and the other Awo?

You all need to keep updating this thread. . This is amazing!!

Like Pastor AIO said, I'm not an Ifa initiate or student, but I'm very interested in and curious about my Yoruba religion, culture and history.

I sincerely believe that retaining the spirit and some of the values inherent in our culture is vital for our development. Powerful empires rarely attain greatness on borrowed languages, cultures and philosophies, a glance at history or even the current G8 Nations will tell the story better.

Pastor AIO said

Irete meji is an odu that talks about hitting rock bottom and coming back up again.  The theme of Death and resurrection is strong in this.  It is also this same process that is parallel during initiation which is a death and rebirth too.  Ifa is said to spend 3 days and 3 nights under the earth before it re-emerges during the initiation.  This same process can be portrayed as orunmila falling into a hole, or a well.  Other times it is portrayed as throwing the Ikin (ifa) away into the sea, or into a lake.  After 3 days it is miraculously retrieved. 
In short, it talks about loss and recovery.   Sometimes it is portrayed as a child losing contact with his parents and then one day being reconciled back to them

@ Pastor AIO, The possible parallels between the Ifa story you alluded to[the bold quotes] and the belief by some Christians that Jesus spent 3 days and 3 nights in hell/hades after his death and before his resurrection is mind boggling to me. Any more thoughts?


"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" Matt12:40

Maybe these beliefs are all connected to the same religious "life-source" but in different ways . . .

Negro_Ntns:

Pastor and Awo,

. . . . just popped in to pay my respects to you guys. Ibaa o! Great wisdom, GOD Bless you guys!

I love Ifa in its entirety, its unfortunate that some people fail to see it as the true religion of mankind and the order for the cosmos. Those people that were raised with it are indeed fortunate. I wasn't that fortunate, I was raised on the Quran and Arabic and Torah. But since becoming adult I have educated myself on the Bible and and other books of divinity. Still I thank GOD for returning to me to the true path. The Torah, Bible and Quran have all led me back to the religion of Abraham and his fore fathers; IFA!

Don't you think the spread and "success" of Christianity and the Abrahamic Religions is due to the proselytizing elements they have. I mean, -adherents are encouraged to spread the faith, sometimes at the pain of death.

I'm not aware that Ifa has that kind of injunction, at least not on a macro-political scale like we have with Christianity, Islam and Judaism.  Your thoughts?

Is Ifa actually a religion? Sometimes I see ignorance of people in things they do not have much information about. Poem recitation is not the same as knowledge about a deity. Ifa was more of a statistic because it is means through which the yorubas decide and inquire about things. The science of ifa is to place things on Probability and when the highest part becomes the order of the day, the diviner goes with the best. Ifa even though was a means of inquiries from gods still may not be reliable.

So my concern is when people come out to begin to make a serious issue out of things like this. That being as it may, Jesus Christ was different from any other gods not because it was brought by the white men but because every religion acknowledge the fact about His role on this earth.

I will urge us to keep sentiment apart and follow the truth.

greetings to all members of this forum,

i'm a newcomer, and i try my best to write in english, because i use to speak french.
i'm very happy discovering this forum and this topic.
i think that all africans must start by knowing and mastering there tradition before anything else.
without that, it's useless to talk about development.

after that, i'll be gratefull if  somebody here can give me a clear vision on these odu : okanran-otura and otura-irosun
thanks you and god bless you.

Re: Ifa Orisa Religion - Is This Our True Identity: Our True Religion
« #31 on: 18 July 2007, 15:50:06 »

Hello Jagunlabi

Firstly, i am not an authority on Ifa but a mere OMO-AWO[student]. like I said earlier in one of my replies, Ifa encompasses all teachings of life both spiritually, morally, physically, scientifically, medically and et al.

With the little knowledge i have of ifa, i will like to share and to learn from other guys on this forum,

In western world they always talk about "ANGER MANAGEMENT" to the extent that people will often resort to therapy and all other forms of programme to control their agressive behaviours. to us as Yoruba people, this is not a new phenomenon or a moral teaching that was based solely on other religious sects but a lot of our people do not know what Ifa has to say on this. Prejudice and bigotry has clouded some peoples mind and eyes and have refused to examine or inquire about the teachings of Ifa.

I dont want to bore people too much let us just examine and talk about ANGER---IBINU in Yoruba.
we all know that "anger" leads to destruction and all other vices.

there are a lot of Ifa verses that talk about anger. the one I will like to share is from OGBE-YONU [OGBE-OGUNDA]

Nje beni Babalawo temi nsenu rere kifa, eri ona ti Ifa gba ko to ma je be lona ti be

Inu bibi ko da nkan fun ni, Anger will not give you anything
Suuru ni baba iwa, Patience is the best form of behaviour
Agba to ni suuru, somebody that has patience
oun gbogbo loni, he has got everything
Adifa fun Orunmila---------------------cast divination for Orunmila BA
Baba nlo re fe Iya, He was going to marry SUFFERING
Ti nse Aremo Olu Iwo, the first child of the King Of Iwo

STORY, ABRIDGED FORM
IYA was the first child and the daughter of the King of Iwo and was at the stage to get married.
All deities like Sango, Ogun, and other deities went to Iwo to seek the hand of Iya in marriage. Iya mistreated them, was very rude and meted out the worst behaviour you can think of on to them. They all failed to marry Iya because they couldnt withstand Iya, they all ran away in their first day. at the turn of Orunmila, before he set for Iwo, he had been warned that no matter what treatment that Iya subject him to he should have patience and to endure. He was severely warned that he will be provoked greatly.
when Orunmila got to Iwo, Iya did not greet him, she did not welcome him, she hissed at him, called Orunmila all sorts of name, she did not give Orunmila any food or entertain him. Orunmila just ignore her. first day, second day, till about the seventh day. To cap it all, Iya took Orunmila's Opon-Ifa[divination board] and used it to cook, she took Orunmila's Pouch [APO OMINIJEKUN] away. this infuriated Orunmila greatly but he refused to react to her behaviour having been warned not to react or to show any form of anger.

At the end of the day the King noticed that Orunmila did not react or show any sign of anger to her daughter. Orunmila's behaviour gave him the assurance that he will take goog care of his daughter if she becomes Orunmila's wife. All along, unknowingly Iya's behaviour had been a test for all the prospective suitors. The King now called Orunmila and gave Iya to him as his wife and he divided his property into two and gave Orunmila half of it. Orunmila bacame rich and he had Iya as his wife.

Moral lesson, ENDURANCE, PATIENCE, PERSEVERANCE

Language lesson, most of our people do not know the meaning of IYAWO[WIFE] this is where the word originated.

IYAWO means IYA- IWO, SUFFERING OF IWO


END OF THE VERSE OF OGBE-YONU
Ijo lo wa njo ayo lo wa nyo, Orunmila then began to dance and to celebrate

Nje Iya kan Iya kan, Suffering, the suffering
Ti Ifa je niwo lo wa d'aya, this suffering that Ifa experienced at Iwo became his wife
Iya kan Iya kan lo wa diyawo, suffering became Wife

ELA BORU ELA BOYE ELA BOSISE
OGBO ATO ASURE ELA IWORIWOFUN

Idinrete, o wu mi lori pupo! Mo ti pe lori erupe aiye yi die, sugbon, ohun ti o ko s'oke yi fi imo kun imo mi loni. Ifa a jeki o ye emi tire, Eledumare a jeki o ye emi tire ati gbogbo awon oninu're gbogbo. Ase! O se pupo.

Aboru Aboye to all the Oluwo's here,Sir can you pls give me some details about this Odu-Ifa "OGBE-ATE'' ? Ifa Agbe wa oooo

IDINRETE:

Hello Jagunlabi

Firstly, i am not an authority on Ifa but a mere OMO-AWO[student]. like I said earlier in one of my replies, Ifa encompasses all teachings of life both spiritually, morally, physically, scientifically, medically and et al.

With the little knowledge i have of ifa, i will like to share and to learn from other guys on this forum,

In western world they always talk about "ANGER MANAGEMENT" to the extent that people will often resort to therapy and all other forms of programme to control their agressive behaviours. to us as Yoruba people, this is not a new phenomenon or a moral teaching that was based solely on other religious sects but a lot of our people do not know what Ifa has to say on this. Prejudice and bigotry has clouded some peoples mind and eyes and have refused to examine or inquire about the teachings of Ifa.

I dont want to bore people too much let us just examine and talk about ANGER---IBINU in Yoruba.
we all know that "anger" leads to destruction and all other vices.

there are a lot of Ifa verses that talk about anger. the one I will like to share is from OGBE-YONU [OGBE-OGUNDA]

Nje beni Babalawo temi nsenu rere kifa, eri ona ti Ifa gba ko to ma je be lona ti be

Inu bibi ko da nkan fun ni, Anger will not give you anything
Suuru ni baba iwa, Patience is the best form of behaviour
Agba to ni suuru, somebody that has patience
oun gbogbo loni, he has got everything
Adifa fun Orunmila---------------------cast divination for Orunmila BA
Baba nlo re fe Iya, He was going to marry SUFFERING
Ti nse Aremo Olu Iwo, the first child of the King Of Iwo

STORY, ABRIDGED FORM
IYA was the first child and the daughter of the King of Iwo and was at the stage to get married.
All deities like Sango, Ogun, and other deities went to Iwo to seek the hand of Iya in marriage. Iya mistreated them, was very rude and meted out the worst behaviour you can think of on to them. They all failed to marry Iya because they couldnt withstand Iya, they all ran away in their first day. at the turn of Orunmila, before he set for Iwo, he had been warned that no matter what treatment that Iya subject him to he should have patience and to endure. He was severely warned that he will be provoked greatly.
when Orunmila got to Iwo, Iya did not greet him, she did not welcome him, she hissed at him, called Orunmila all sorts of name, she did not give Orunmila any food or entertain him. Orunmila just ignore her. first day, second day, till about the seventh day. To cap it all, Iya took Orunmila's Opon-Ifa[divination board] and used it to cook, she took Orunmila's Pouch [APO OMINIJEKUN] away. this infuriated Orunmila greatly but he refused to react to her behaviour having been warned not to react or to show any form of anger.

At the end of the day the King noticed that Orunmila did not react or show any sign of anger to her daughter. Orunmila's behaviour gave him the assurance that he will take goog care of his daughter if she becomes Orunmila's wife. All along, unknowingly Iya's behaviour had been a test for all the prospective suitors. The King now called Orunmila and gave Iya to him as his wife and he divided his property into two and gave Orunmila half of it. Orunmila bacame rich and he had Iya as his wife.

Moral lesson, ENDURANCE, PATIENCE, PERSEVERANCE

Language lesson,  most of our people do not know the meaning of IYAWO[WIFE] this is where the word originated.

IYAWO means IYA- IWO, SUFFERING OF IWO


END OF THE VERSE OF OGBE-YONU
Ijo lo wa njo ayo lo wa nyo, Orunmila then began to dance and to celebrate

Nje Iya kan Iya kan,  Suffering, the suffering
Ti Ifa je niwo lo wa d'aya, this suffering that Ifa experienced at Iwo became his wife
Iya kan Iya kan lo wa diyawo,  suffering became Wife

ELA BORU ELA BOYE ELA BOSISE
OGBO ATO ASURE ELA IWORIWOFUN

Good deep stuff. O ku laakaye. . .

lol >>> i miss 'em stories of Orunmila, Esu and co

lil-short:

Aboru Aboye to all the Oluwo's here,Sir can you pls give me some details about this Odu-Ifa "OGBE-ATE'' ? Ifa Agbe wa oooo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I1zOkdcvag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I1zOkdcvag


i tire for how you put videos on this site

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