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Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by sjeezy8: 1:08am On Jul 29, 2010 |
without rotational presidency PDP is REALLY lookin unattractive. If anything they should have had an agreement with the pdp to continue zoning but for 2011 zone it the SS and so on and so forth- instead of saying throw out the whole thing. Thats just not a smart thing for them to throw it out right now- PDP looked good for Zoning but now they want to discontinue there no use of PDP. |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by Nobody: 1:22am On Jul 29, 2010 |
sjeezy8: Thats just making up the rule as they go, and thats not healthy for politics. What would have been the correct thing if zoning is to continue is to write it into the electoral act and let it be binding on all parties with clear definitions on who takes what when. Afterall PDP controls the whole NASS. However I think the idea of zoning is down to politicians refusing to be innovative. I am not scared of the consequence of "no zoning" all we need in this country is a credible census; free and fair elections plus a National Identity System. Not Zoning. Dancing around the problem is why nothing gets solved in Nigeria. If North provides the President in the next 30years so be it. The only way they can sustain that kind of success if every other factors like free and fair elections are resolved is if they govern up to standard. If they don't they wont win. |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by Beaf: 1:35am On Jul 29, 2010 |
mikeansy: I never saw any worthwhile list and no effort was made to provide one; perhaps, because as you say, it doesn't add up. It was all stuff like how he should be directing Jega (amounting manipulation) etc. Your position just wasn't thoroughly thought through. Anyways I wish you Goodluck too. |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by Gbawe: 7:46am On Jul 29, 2010 |
sjeezy8: It is a downright foolish thing to do and this is why the Northern Governors have skillfully dumped zoning at the door of the PDP. I see the PDP imploding if it bows to the inordinate ambition of an undeserving man (Jonathan) and his various insincere kingmakers . We gained an undeserving man (Yar Adua) not too long ago as President . We all saw how he fared. Logical to think that Nigerians will vehemently reject what amounts to , at best, another gamble (Jonathan) . Nigerians should watch who our most respected men and entities are getting behind as a clue to how they are thinking !!!! Jonathan is intoxicated by power . He will think anything is possible . Naturally, there will be those who will 'support' him because of how the Presidency, and association with it, is a tool for stupendous self-aggrandizement in Nigeria. What Jonathan is too blind to fathom is that you cannot change the rules in the middle of the game when it is the most clannish region in Nigeria that will lose out. Personally, I wan't the PDP to give their ticket to Jonathan because that is the type of 'hari-kari' action (borne of sheer "cash-and-carry" greed) we need for Nigeria to see the back of this evil congregation of criminals . An asembly of unprincipled thieves , only held together by greed, will eventually implode. The PDP knows damn well that it is severely weakened minus zoning and with Jonathan as its candidate. Unacceptably stupendous rigging will be required for a candidate the political system and the voters will reject. Still , some mercenaries (Nwodo et al) would rather become billioniares even if that means setting Nigeria on fire with an unrealistic project. There are a few men , if in Jonathan's shoes, Nigeria might get behind to defeat zoning via taking on the North. Jonathan has not done enough for Nigerians to place him in the category of an iconic leader worth fighting for . This is why those who do not care for money are getting behind Ribadu while totally shunning Jonathan's 2011 ambition after taking to the Street to urge that he be made acting President. It is obvious that Jonathan's support base does not feature principled men and groups . The supporters of Jonathan are mainly of the 'chop your dollar' Category and the article I supplied earlier illustrates this. I am hoping the PDP , for the benefit of our nation, will prove it is a Party of mercenary Jackals that will let greed cloud collective reasoning. |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by Gbawe: 9:24am On Jul 29, 2010 |
@Na-so My guy, your assertion that the "Presidency is Jonathan's to lose" simply does not seem to appear tenable to most Nigerian political analyst . Virtually non I have read from has posited that Jonathan's task will be easy or even achievable !!! It seems many do not think Jonathan's incumbency is a superior advantage that cannot be neutralised and made impotent because of the unpopularity of the entire project that will prompt realignment of hitherto opposed forces. You should particularly take note of what is written below I have continued to cite , that majority of analyst identify with, to understand that many , including those from Mr.President's Party, will unite to nullify any advantage Jonathan enjoy as per priviledge of office. "If the PDP fields President Jonathan, and the Northern governors follow the decision of their elders as muted by its Chairman, Babangida Aliyu, which is clearly in favour of a Northern candidate, then a coalition of parties, as seen in the emerging ACN, which is a proposed merger of the AC, DPP, CPC, and some factions of the ANPP and PDP would field a Northern candidate". http://www.independentngonline.com/DailyIndependent/Article.aspx?id=17832
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Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by Gbawe: 10:13am On Jul 29, 2010 |
@Na-so. The parts in bold identify the thinking of the Political establisihment. With many , even when they do not support zoning, feeling that Jonathan is acting in an unprincipled manner same as his currently unpopular mentor (OBJ) . The ideological opposition to Jonathan's ambition , despite attempts at buying support, will be considerable. All the more beneficial for a decent Northern candidate the ACN will Present . The ACN (Action Congress of Nigeria) is AC's new Mega platform after various planned mergers with other parties. http://www.businessdayonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13181:zoning-either-way-pdp-is-in-trouble-says-galadima&catid=85:national&Itemid=340 Zoning: Either way, PDP is in trouble, says Galadima |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by naso2(m): 10:20am On Jul 29, 2010 |
This Gbawe sef . This analysis by this your adored writer(M. O. UYOUYO, writing from Abuja) is just too watery. First it is not a balanced report, which does not in any way consider the odds that stand in jonathan's favour. I expect a professional to look at the factors that could boost GEJ's chances and the once that can scuttle it, and then take a subtle position. If I understand the writer properly, 1. SW will go to the northern candidate, because they have the VP slot with a promise to return the presidency to SW after the "northern" term. 2. SE will be divided, but the northern candidate still has an edge becuase GEJ only thins out the chance of an IGBO president in future. 3.The votes GEJ will get from the SS will predominantly be IJAW votes while the itsekiris,the urhobos and the entire edo state goes to the northern candidate. 4.In the writers mind , the "north" is one whole unit. 5. The writer assumes that in the end there will be only one "northern" candidate in the presidential race. Hence in the end Buhari,shekarau, Ibb,RIBADU,ATIKU,Danjuma Goje will merge forces at all cost. 6. That becuase of the general discontent for the PDP by the electorate, they will vote the consensus candidate of the "north" , regardless of who it turns out to be. 7 That the merger of AC,DPP,CPC and Some factions of the ANPP and PDP will be big enough to have the kind of national coverage needed to win a presidential election. By the assumptions above jonathan will win just 1 million votes, and the northern candidate 15 million votes. GEJ is finally disgraced for failing to heed popular advice. Thanks for the analysis. Help me thank the writer too. GEJ has thrown in the towel. He will no longer contest. |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by kobikwelu(m): 1:22pm On Jul 29, 2010 |
^^^^ lol these writers are always living their fantasies does not forget that the odd are stacked in john's favour, also just heard that shekaru just declared his intention on the ANPP platform? kai is he the most formidable candidate the "north" has to offer in opposition to john (that's if he finally deciedes to run) |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by naso2(m): 2:02pm On Jul 29, 2010 |
kobikwelu: Yes shekaru is strong in ANPP, He pushed Buhari out of the party. This move could still be interpreted a step to checkmate IBB's likely move , when he fails to get the PDP ticket. Anpp is just a 3 state party, even with the planned alliances it will still not measure up. He is however no threat to Jonathan, even with all the noise these mallams are making. Another thing i wait to see happen is how, BUHARI,SHEKARU and IBB can work together. Its like mixing diesel,water,and kerosene. I know people will want to say the North knows how to manage things, but i beg to differ. Even in the second republic when notable notherners supported shagari, people like Aminu Kano (PRP) and Waziri Ibrahim (GNPP) did their own thing. |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by marcdunu: 2:08pm On Jul 29, 2010 |
Babangida - PDP Buhari - CPC Shekarua - ANPP Ribadu - AC Na wa oh!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by kobikwelu(m): 4:10pm On Jul 29, 2010 |
Yes shekaru is strong in ANPP, He pushed Buhari out of the party. This move could still be interpreted a step to checkmate IBB's likely move , when he fails to get the PDP ticket. Anpp is just a 3 state party, even with the planned alliances it will still not measure up. thats the problem with the so called "north" who would step down for who IBB step down for shekaru?? for wetin? wen dat 1 go happen do they tink that he endured all that humiliation during the OBJ era just to step down for shekaru(a small boi ) the key is who would win the PDP primary, IBB IS LOBBYING for the ticket or is it buhari that has been labouring and now, was forced out?? and you expect him to step down for the shekaru/IBB lets wait for the much vaunted "north" (in gbawe's ) word **************munching guguru and zobo********** |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by naso2(m): 8:10am On Jul 30, 2010 |
Gbawe , wetin dey happen na? u never still see anoda article? |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by Gbawe: 8:40am On Jul 30, 2010 |
na_so: My brother, the debate don finish - more or less. Wetin remain na for all of us to wait and see. We have all postulated our theories. Let us now wait and see what actually happens . My point with the articles is that most I have read , even if permutations are varied, roughly consider Jonathan's mission a very difficult one. Not at all the done deal you , and many folks from the ND region , want to assume it is. Overall I think Jonathan will find it difficult to achieve what OBJ failed to. We can talk about constitition and other minute details as evidence of the difference between OBJ's third term project and Jonathan's 2011 project but both are the same IMO. OBJ , as a man who had benefited from and agreed to a pact within his own politica party, tried to cheat the most clannish region in Nigeria to a Presidential slot the region correctly feels has been zoned to it . I say "correctly" because the PDP was designed to be the only Party , for many reason , that can realistically win the Presidency . Many PDP members would actually see Jonathan's ploy as an attempt , using the hitherto 'gauranteed' winning platform of the PDP, to usurp a Presidential term he would not have had the ideological right or support to aspire to had Yar Adua not died !!!! This is why some PDP folks have come out to ask Jonathan respect a pact he benefited from and assented to . Jonathan , like OBJ , is a PDP President who is trying to move the goal post in the middle of the game. Let see if he succeeds . You say he will and I feel he won't . We will have to wait and see because , aside from time , no amount of writing will prove either of us right or wrong. |
Re: It May Be Ribadu And Oshiomhole For AC as Tinubu Drops Out . by naso2(m): 8:49am On Jul 30, 2010 |
Gbawe: Kool. You have a point here. Lets wait and see. in politics 24 hours is a very long time. We still have weeks to even the party primaries. |
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